Braxton Miller Limited During Ohio State's Wednesday Practice

By Patrick Maks and Kyle Rowland on August 6, 2014 at 7:51p
74 Comments

Urban Meyer says Braxton Miller’s in the best shape of his life. But his shoulder, which underwent surgery in February, apparently remains a lingering concern.

The senior quarterback and Heisman hopeful was limited in Ohio State’s practice Wednesday at the Woody Hayes Athletic Center.

Miller was dressed in his helmet and shoulder pads, but took only a handful of snaps behind center and less as the afternoon went on. In his place, backup quarterbacks Cardale Jones and J.T. Barrett worked in with the first and second team offenses. 

On Monday, Meyer said Miller’s shoulder was sore and that it had an effect on his ability to throw the football. Meyer's also said the coaching staff will be careful not to overwork Miller's shoulder this August. 

Notes:

  • Ohio State's linebackers have been disappointing over the last two years. Defensive coordinator and linebackers coach Luke Fickell said that could change this season: "I promise you that group's going to be as strong as we've had in a while."
  • Fickell said defensive end Noah Spence's absence is a "travesty." Spence will sit the first two games of the season after failing a drug test. Backups Rashad Frazier and Steve Miller battling for playing time when he's gone. 
  • Fickell on past struggles, particularly last year: "The depth had been the thing that's killed us the most. And the consistency."
  • In terms of production, Fickell said the linebackers will operate as a committee this season. Former linebacker and current Pittsburgh Steeler Ryan Shazier dominated in that realm last year. Fickell called it "addition by subtraction." 
  • Antonio Underwood and Joel Hale are battling at left guard. Underwood took first-team reps today.
  •  Right tackle competition is between Darryl Baldwin, Chase Farris and Evan Lisle. Baldwin has upper hand.
  •  The goal is to have five starters on the O-Line, but Warinner wants seven to eight guys for the depth. Believes OSU is on track for that.
  •  Warinner likes what he sees in Lindsay. Said he's a smart, hard-working, fundamentally sound guy. Can play center and guard.
  • Alabama transfer Chad Lindsay is showing some rust, Warinner said. It's to be expected since he didn't go through any spring practice.
  • "All three [centers] could start." -Warinner. He added that Price could move to guard. Versatility is important for OSU.
  • Jacoby Boren took first-team snaps at center. But that's subject to change. Warinner said Billy Price and Chad Lindsay aren't far behind.
  • Warinner is extremely high on Ohio State's defensive line. Said they're the best group he's ever seen. That's high praise.
  • Despite improvements, Warinner thinks the line has a long way to go. He's encouraged and believes they're further along thanks to new rules.
  • The offensive line is improved physically and better conditioned from the spring, according to Warinner.
  • Tracy Sprinkle practiced with Ohio State today.
  • Ed Warinner said there's a plan not to rush Braxton Miller back. He essentially has a pitch count. Should be fine onAug. 30.
  • Warinner on Demetrius Knox and Jamarco Jones: "Wow. They're pretty impressive."
  • Cardale Jones and JT Barrett both took first-team reps. Barrett looked solid, took offense right down field against first-team secondary.
  • Ohio State first-team OL: Decker, Underwood, Boren, Elflein, Baldwin.
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Killer nuts's picture

 Left tackle competition is between Darryl Baldwin, Chase Farris and Evan Lisle. Baldwin has upper hand.

I think you meant the right tackle competition. Isn't Decker at left tackle this year?

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Patrick Maks's picture

Yep. Fixing now. Thank you.

Buckeye Knight's picture

Oh, not good about Braxton's shoulder. Not good at all.

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James Mee's picture

I'm not too concerned about it. I think they just want to be cautious and make sure he's good to go. 

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chemicalwaste's picture

I respectfully think youre full of crap. They don't talk much specifics about injuries, but I get the feeling everything isn't hunky dory. I really hope I'm the one who is completely full of crap.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

You get the feeling that he might be wrong = he is full of crap?

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chemicalwaste's picture

Tiger Woods was "fine" too, but the PT of the house called his re injury. If it was a rotator cuff I hope he took good care of it. He's still in the area for re injury, which is why I hope I'm wrong. It all seems to fit though. The type of injury, at least when and how I think it happened, how long it took before surgery fits the amount of time to try therapy before surgery, the recovery time after surgery. I assume he'll be good right around the season, which would also be about the correct timing for that type of injury. Obviously they don't talk about it so nobody outside the program really knows what it was exactly. I wasn't trying to be a complete prick just because i'm skeptical of everything being A-ok, I just know my wife is a damn good PT.

45OH4IO's picture

Fick sucks at math. Losing Shazier to graduation is not addition by subtraction. That's just subtraction. Dumb comment.

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Killer nuts's picture

I think he's doing higher level math than you but hey, fire fickell, amirite?

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Wilkins78's picture

I was going to put, "Fick's comments taken the wrong way in 3... 2... 1..." but it looks like I didn't make it here in time.

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rdubs's picture

I think his point is that the other LBs just relied on Shazier to clean everything up (which he often did) but didn't take any leadership on themselves.  Now they can't just sit back and wait on Shazier they have to take charge, so the unit might end up working better together.

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RenegadeBuckeye's picture

Well...considering we're basing our opinions on a blurb, and not the actual footage of the q&a, I would have to agree with your assessment.

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osu07asu10's picture

Also dumb to say we lost a guy to graduation who left early after his junior season.

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

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chemicalwaste's picture

Well there's that too...

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osu07asu10's picture

You know... Always good to have your house in order before you go after someone else

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

teddyballgame's picture

I guess you could say that he graduated to the NFL

Buckeye Knight's picture

Good stuff about Meechy and Jamarco!

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Killer nuts's picture

Barrett looked solid, took offense right down field against first-team secondary.

I want to be excited about Barrett but a little part of me fears this is a reflection on the secondary... Let's hope not 

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James Mee's picture

My guess, until the Playoffs/Bowl Games, the best offense the defense will see will be the first teamers. 

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robobuck's picture

I dont know man, I've been excited about him since he signed and I still am! I think he could very well start 2 years here. I put almost zero stock in the spring game. Here's hoping I'm right.

Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it.  1 Corinthians 9:24

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irishfury's picture

Ehhhh people going to gripe one way or other.  If Barrett looked terrible people would complain if he does good they complain about secondary.  

Killer nuts's picture

I'd rather hear that he's perfectly fitting the ball into the tiniest of windows allowing our wideouts to make spectacularly athletic catches just prior to being swarmed by a flocking defense

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mrspray's picture

I forgot about Spence's suspension - what garbage... I guess if anything, it could be worse.

whiskeyjuice's picture

one day at a time...........

"You'll find out that nothing that comes easy is worth a dime. As a matter of fact, I never saw a football player make a tackle with a smile on his face." -- Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Him1stftballl8er's picture

"Warinner is extremely high on Ohio State's defensive line. Said they're the best group he's ever seen. That's high praise."

....the best he's ever seen....let that one soak in for a minute...can't wait!!!

The wise shall inherit glory, but shame shall be the promotion of fools. 

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thunderhawks51's picture

No better way to season an inexperienced offensive line than with facing the best defensive line day in and day out

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Knarcisi's picture

So why in the hell did we wait until April to have surgery when he was injured in early January?  I don't have Coach or Dr. in front of my name, and I know that surgery is always a last resort after therapy and other measures. Still, three months seems like a long time to make that decision, and I'm less than honest if I didn't say I'm severely pissed off that we have concerns on Miller's shoulder 3 weeks prior to the season starting. 

Edit:  my apologies on the inaccuracy. It was late Feb.  The article below covers the explanation on the delay.  As I thought, tried therapy first. 

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2014/03/why_was_ohio_state_qb_bra...

Maybe I need to settle down and stop getting hyped up from all these practice videos and reports!

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James Mee's picture

My guess is limiting him in practice is a much lower bar than say a game. I thought he did have surgery earlier though. But I'm not privy to the intimate details of Braxton's medical history, but I trust the staff knows what they're doing. 

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DefendYoungstown's picture

HIPAA

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

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nikolajz1's picture

Im not expecting Braxton to be any better at throwing the ball with no real reps since the Orange Bowl and 3 weeks to go until the season. Disappointing for sure. 

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James Mee's picture

Physically, as a passer I think he was pretty good. He needs to be better at making decisions and breaking down the defense. He could be more accurate but he completed over 60% of his passes. I wish he got to practice, but nothing can be done about injuries. 

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Buckeye Rocket Sci's picture

I agree about him as a passer. Though it is true that his physical fundamentals would break down at times, I think this was more so a case of the mental game (e.g., being surprised by the defense, holding on to the ball for too long, getting frazzled in the pocket, etc.) rather than him not being physically able to do it.

Besides, as is mentioned earlier, he has certainly had his shots behind center. The issue is, though, we are just under 30 days away from our first game. Why risk pushing him further than he needs to if he is sore? Give him a break while you have the luxury. Now if he can't make it more than a practice or two in about 2-3 weeks, then we can have a problem. For now, I'd rather see the caution of keeping him as healthy as possible than possibly ruining the entire season.

"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence" - Calvin Coolidge

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Patriot4098's picture

He can cut it in college. Still needs a better touch on his intermediate passes though.

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Hovenaut's picture

Didn't expect to read this about Braxton, but I'd rather have him later than earlier.

Let Jones (and Barrett) get some work. I'd rather see backup QB's used by choice over necessity.

"Success...it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

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RenegadeBuckeye's picture

Is his shoulder sore because he hasn't really worked it out in a long time...or is he re-injured. 

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Knarcisi's picture

I think it's sore because he has not worked it out in a long time ... I wish someone would explain that. Like Hove, I wasn't expecting to hear this and a little freaked out. 

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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Agreed. But with this years schedule, I'm not sure how much wiggle room we will have. 

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Fly Patterns's picture

while I would call the Spence suspension unfortunate, to say it is a travesty is overdoing it just a bit.

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bbb's picture

you're quite a fickle fan
 

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Fly Patterns's picture

Ha. Hardly. In whatever way you meant that.

cdub4's picture

You are overanalyzing in my opinion

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txbucknut's picture

How do you know Fickell was referring to secondary when talking about depth? Considering he didn't coach the secondary last year, nor will he this year, I assume that he was talking about linebacker depth. As far as the addition by subtraction comment, makes sense to me if he feels he's got 4-5 solid guys playing LB rather than 1 superstar and 4 underachievers he might have felt he had last year. 

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Fly Patterns's picture

You're right. I misread it. I thought he was referring to the secondary. My bad. Edited.

Knarcisi's picture

"We won, didn't we?"

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MN Buckeye's picture

In light of Ramzy's article today, it is great to see Baldwin showing strong.

ExpressiveBuckeye's picture

After reading this aloud to my wife, she replied with "he better buck it the fuck up."

Just reminding me why I married her. 

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.

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D-Day0043's picture

She's definitely sounds like a keeper.

How I envy you....my wife could care less about football....

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saluki2007's picture

So is your wife single?

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ExpressiveBuckeye's picture

Eh it depends on the day. You might have a good shot, however, based on your photo of a boxer puppy. We have one and she is infatuated with them. 

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.

saluki2007's picture

Mind as well make it a +2 then because his is name is Brutus.

OSUMAx3's picture

Here's another article that explains Braxton's training alittle more.

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2014/08/quarterback_braxton_mille...

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dwcbuckeye's picture

Thanks for that link.  Lots of interesting articles especially regarding the Defense. Here is one bullet:

The most frequent second-team defense was a line of Tyquan Lewis, Donovan Munger, Tommy Schutt and Steve Miller; a linebacker group with Raekwon McMillan in the middle, Chris Worley at the walkout and one of two freshmen, either Dante Booker or Sam Hubbard, at the other outside spot; Eli Apple and Gareon Conley at corner; and Ron Tanner and Von Bell at safety.

I found it interesting that Burrows so far is beating out Bell and that there is no mention of trey johnson anywhere.

swainpm's picture

Read a few months ago that Johnson doesn't seem to have that drive or "juice" shall we say. It was in an article on this site talking about his lack of progress in the spring. Fortunately LB is loaded with the new Freshmen. Too bad about Mitchell leaving though.

D-Day0043's picture

I've heard rumor that Trey isn't the hardest worker. I don't know what is up with him.

I think Bell is just behind because of his injury. Having two guys capable of starting is a good problem to have.

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MikeEagleBuckeye's picture

I would have to agree with you on Bell.  Meyer wouldn't have mentioned him by name on ESPN if he sees him as a backup.

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NEBuckeye's picture

I was thinking that Meyer mentioned during media days (or maybe it was one of the ESPN interviews) that Braxton's reps would be limited until he gets enough of them, not having had reps through the spring. I'm hoping this is consistent with those statements and not some additional or new concern.

As for Barrett, I think he had a better second half in an otherwise lousy spring game where neither QB had very good protection and both faced an onslaught by what looked like a very aggressive defensive line.

This staff has done more with less in the past so I remain very optimistic.  The talent and the heart is there, whether all units gel as a team will make the difference now. 

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TheShookster's picture

Braxton is going to be fine. 

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Knarcisi's picture

I watched the rerun of the Orange Bowl a few weeks ago. Braxton took some really big hits to the turf and essentially got the hell beat out of him all night. He hurt his shoulder on the 4th play of the game. All considering, a warrior effort. I was wondering what the hell he was seeing when he threw the final INT, but now we all know. Gutsy effort all the way. 

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tussey's picture

On the final interception, he threw it too low.  There was a guy open.  I guess his arm finally gave out on him.  If he would have but a little air under that throw it would be been like a 20+yrd gain.  But alas, he didn't and we lost.

Buckeye Rocket Sci's picture

I'm still not convinced that was an INT, but let bygones be bygones, right?

Either way, hell of an effort. It's entirely possible to miss a guy if you are looking deep and have all that adrenaline pumping. Just another case where he needs to work on putting touch on the ball

"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence" - Calvin Coolidge

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OSU_1992_UFM's picture

No, no way was that a INT...you can see the white stripe of the ball spinning around! He did not maintain possession thru the "catch" nor did he secure it when he hit the ground. Not a INT

I refuse to believe it, absolutely no way in hell

UFM_Renewal

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Buckeye Rocket Sci's picture

Yeah I was there in person and didn't notice it at first because I was so distraught. But the first time I saw that replay, and every single time since with these hype videos, I was furious! Not even close, and the fact that they didn't even pretend to review it pisses me off to no end.

I still think CFB should instate a rule where every turnover is automatically reviewed, especially at such a critical point!

*sigh* How many days left?

"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence" - Calvin Coolidge

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Jabba1977's picture

Hopefully, he is ok, and will be ready against Navy!!

SECHATER77

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What Would Troy Smith Do's picture

To be honest, this has me concerned.  Don't know why but something about this gives me a bad feeling.  I hope it is just residual soreness from not using it too much lately and nothing more.

Kind of like when I actually get to go golfing and the next day parts of me hurt that I never use.

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Buckeye Rocket Sci's picture

He'll be fine, just taking it easy!

"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence" - Calvin Coolidge

RBuck's picture

That made sense. Herman told The Dispatch writer that Brax is on a pitch count.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

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Hitman61's picture

If Miller is still recovering limit his designed runs & don't subject him to any huge hits. I wouldn't doubt he'll be a target. We have a full stable of running back begging for a chance. Let them carry the load.

LebBuckeye

BigGucciSofa's picture

This seems to be the plan whether or not he's still banged up. Meyer and staff have said they're moving more towards a traditional offense this year and Braxton is very happy about it. Allowing him to really try to hone his QB skills while also giving the offense many more options, it's a win-win. I don't think his injury will factor in the game plan much either way.

Tyler Brown

Squirrel Master's picture

well its not so much him getting hit as much as it is his throwing shoulder and you don't want to over work it on passing too much. I'm sure Braxton can take a hit and be fine right now, its his mechanics and strength in making the pass that is being affected.

trust me, you don't throw a football for a while your arm gets tired and sore fast. It needs to get back into shape despite what muscle is there.

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The Rill Dill's picture

I put this right up there with the white death coverage on the news.  Much ado over nothing.  Most important words in the story------pitch count.

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osugreg04's picture

Braxton is limited in practice???????  Ahhhhh SKY IS FALLING!!!!  <grabs paper bag, breaths in, breaths out>

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Aroldis Chapman doesn't need to throw a lot of pitches either....you go Brax!

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mkosu73's picture

Rut Roh.......that sound I heard  is a million sphincters slamming shut....

Mkosu73

DC-town's picture

Ha...must be close to the season with the over analyzing and 'sky is falling' talk.  It was mentioned above as well but Braxton was iterviewed on BTN live and said he was a little sore from going full-go Monday-Tuesday.

And I think it's safe to assume Fickell wasn't taking shots at Shazier

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