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So let me get this straight. If you commit to tsun and then take a peek at another school, hoke doesn't want you because you don't have that 'michigan man integrity' and he pulls the offer and tells you to pack your bags. However, he will gladly pick up a recruit that has committed to another school and has no problem with where their integrity and values lie?
Can you say 'Double Standard'?
Oyster you can ask Desmond about the integrity of their school and the higher standard they go by as compared to OSU...he will gladly tell you. See Frank Clark... and be prepared for some mumbo jumbo.
Brady Hoke's policy isn't about integrity and values as I understand it. It's simply about math. You have to keep track of how many offers and spots for those offers you have. So if you commit, they stop offering others at that spot. But if you visit else where after you commit, then you must not be committed and they better get some more options for that spot.
Some people don't like Urban giving out non-commitable v. commitable offers. It's kinda two ways to handle the same problem. Neither way is wrong or right, just different.
“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.” - Woody
Its still a double standard. Dont flip on my school but you can flip on any other school. He's not worried about the school he stole the recruit from, they now have a hole they need to fill, total bologna...
No, that's the point. It's not about don't flip on me, but I'll flip on you. It's if you can't keep your commitment, fine, I can't either then. If you make a promise, keep it and so will I. If you don't, I can't keep mine. It's really rather fair. Michigan got a lot of early recruits. I think they should have really expected some to have second thoughts, which some now are. And maybe Hoke was expecting it. If the recruit he calls up, who is committed to another school --in this case CMU, and the kid says, "Sorry, I'm committed already," and then Hoke continues to harrass him for months, that's a dick move, I agree. I don't see that as what he's doing here.
He is not oversigning. In fact, he's anti-oversigning. More power to anyone that doesn't oversign. I for one don't understand how Urban keeps track of how many spots he has and how many offers he has out there. That's just because his method isn't as public as Hoke's is. Both of them seem to work as neither is an oversigner, so more power to both of them. They are good at what they do.
It seems that Urban usually tells guys to let him know well in advance if they are going to commit. Then he might make another offer non-commitable if he starts filling up. Really there isn't much difference other than semantics because it isn't like he is taking a commitment and then turning them away afterwards.
That's my point. They both have their own system. Everyone's system is between the team and the player. It has to not involve other teams. It's not about if you are commited somewhere else or whatever, it's about can we have you here and are you coming here. I think it is stupid homerism to just say, "Hoke's system is dumb and he's a hypocrit!"
I don't like sticking up for the damn HC of UofM, but at least he's not Nick Saban/Les Miles/et al. that are out there telling anyone and everyone to come to school and then deciding after spring practice who actually gets a schollie.
Derrrrrrrrrr Brady Hoke Uhhhhhhhh Ummm errrrrrrr aahhhh deahhh duh uhh well, y'know what ahhhh ehhh aehhhh ummmm who's gonna touch these kids?
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To the person that downvoted me...
So much win.
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Michigan Man flippin MAC level recruits eh? What was this about Michigan having the best recruiting class? They lost the best Oline recruit they had and they are about to lose the best DB recruit they had, so they replace them with a Central Michigan recruit.......
"if irony were made of strawberries, we' d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now."
You have this all wrong. If tsun flips a MAC player, it is a great catch for an obviously great player. Anyone else who flips a MAC player is desperately trying to fill holes.
+1 agree completely
born and raised in Cleveland
Crappy recruiter math makes sense to a crappy recruiter mathematician.
He'll flip ya for real.
LMAO. Where do you find this stuff?
The Usual Suspects.
To be fair, these were Michigan commits in the past anyway.
Jake Ryan only had offers from MAC schools before Michigan came calling. I'd say that worked out okay.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
What has Jake Ryan done exactly?
Better than any of our linebackers.
other than having gorgeous flaxen locks of flowing hair? he's been UM's only solid defender this year.
but, in my book, he is the exception, not the rule when it comes to "MAC talent".
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....while he's not flipping pancakes. Zing!
I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.
I'd call it a lateral move for the recruit.
To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.
Why is it that every kid that commits to scUM has other offers from Central Michigan, Toledo, Ball State, etc... and every kids that commits to Ohio State has offers from Flodida, Alabama, Texas, etc...
everyone claims cHoke is a great recruiter and turning them the right direction... but I'm pretty sure Meyer will OWN this rivalry for years to come... and without Denard, scUM is just pathetic.
but I'm pretty sure Meyer will OWN this rivalry for years to come... and without Denard, scUM is just pathetic.
but I'm pretty sure Meyer will OWN this rivalry for years to come... and without Denard, scUM is just pathetic.
Awesome editing! Too bad I can't upvote 11W staff.
But GUISE! He's bringing Michigan BACK! They went to a BCS BOWL! He'll be a real RIVAL to Urban Meyer for YEARS! SO LEGIT!
(Looks at Hoke's career record, career bowl record)
(looks at urban's)
Yes, look at his record where it doesn't matter. Look at his early results at two crappy programs he led to the top of their conferences. Look at the fact that he is 16-5 at Michigan and has 3 rivalry wins and a BCS win. And if Hell freezes over and Michigan wins in 23 days, please, oh please, revert back to that .500ish winning percentage at his previous stops.
i'm not dogging Michigan but if Urbz went 16-5 at Ohio State during these last two years. He might have no hair.
Hey now. Michigan won more games than anyone, ever... because they played before anyone else. Now, they're just average. Their fans get really excited about 16-18 wins over 2 seasons. At Ohio State, we expect 16-18 wins every 16-18 games.
he might be fired.... and dogging michigan is encouraged here.
My fellow Buckeye, you need to either smack yourself in the face (twice) or contribute twice to the naughty word jar for using the "M" word. That is all.
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The irony of what you just said is that I believe Urban Meyer has gone 17-5 is his last two years.
Nothing wrong with dogging Michelin.
ZOMG 3 "Rivalry" wins! I'm quaking.
Meanwhile, UFM is shooting for his 3rd CHIP. As in National Championship. But oh man Hoke needed Overtime to beat Virginia Tech ahhahahahah.
Wait No, actually what am i doing
(**Exits Dbag Buckeye fan mode**)
"Why yes, Hoke has done a remarkable amount in such a short period of time to turn a once moribund program around. I'm especially impressed by his two wins against the mighty Spartans of East Lansing and the thrilling win over last year's formidable edition of The Ohio State Buckeyes. He is a worthy rival to that quitter Urban Meyer, he who left his previous job in shambles and couldn't beat Nick Saban. I can't wait for a new edition of the 10 year war, with Hoke and Meyer matching wits and going at each other! Since Hoke is more than Meyer's equal, it will be so exciting because we won't know who will win each year! Here's to another 10 years of Brady Hoke!"
Touchy, touchy....Hail. This is an OSU board (and I welcome you here) and some Hoke bashing is expected. In actuality, I think Hoke was a good hire for M*chigan. He gets the rivalry with us and he is passionate about UM. He has improved every team he has taaken over. It's just that I think anyone will have a hard time matching up with Meyer, Saban, Kelly, etc... I don't think Hoke is that bad, I just think Meyer is that good.
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
Rich Rod wasn't "that bad" either...
... oh wait, yes he was.
In retrospect, Rich Rod was awesome at Michigan. And so now I'm a big fan of RR at Zona.
It's not that I'm the least bit worried about Hoke, mind you. Urbz doesn't need 'em to bring back RR to dominate.
Still, I appreciate what RR did to . . . errr, I mean for Michigan.
It's the Golden/Sun/Maize Rule: RR did unto TTUN what I myself would have done unto TTUN.
You forgot to mention the book selling incident that got Ball St on probation under his watch.
To be honest Hail, I thought you were talking about Coach Meyers record at BG and Utah, until you mentiond hoke.
That really threw me for loop there...
Relax Hail. You know what I do when I get stressed? ESPN classic. Caught Michiscum and Appalachian State yesterday. Nothing makes me laugh like the blocked field goal!!!
An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches
Remember, ladies and gentlemen, pride comes before the fall...
Hoke has a formidable squad about three hours up 23, as I recall Cooper's boys lost to quite a few Wolverine squads that had more than three losses.
Cooper was hired because his team beat tsun in the Rose Bowl. He never understood the rivalry and it became the elephant in the room.
Still, it's not like "getting it" means that you'll never lose a game. I'm not debating the fact that Cooper never really understood the rivalry, but I have to believe that--by the end--he kind of figured out that it was more important than anything else.
Perhaps it's just superstition (it is, I hate being overconfident for Michigan week), but I just have a hard time with the idea that Hoke is some vastly inferior coach. He's not the game manager--or even as intricately involved--as Urban or Tress, but that's not always the job of a coach. For the middling guy that we pigeonhole him as, he did manage to hire the Ravens' defensive coordinator (even if it was out of loyalty, it's something that Harbaugh didn't feel) and a pretty smart offensive mind in Borges (who doesn't have the necessary parts to implement his system).
Personally, I believe that Meyer's squad is superior to the Michigan team we're going to face, in all facets except for maybe defense (but we're closing that gap). But that shouldn't mean that Brady Hoke isn't capable of beating us in the biggest rivalry game on the planet. It's almost always anyone's game, and UM's squad isn't bad enough--nor is our team good enough--to warrant believing anything but the aforementioned sentiment.
Here's something to think about, what's the spread going to be? I'll say Ohio State -5.5.
I would counter that he has a very good defense, and it would be even better had Countess not been hurt in the first game. Lets talk offense. OSU has a very capable QB to take over in the (now likely) event that Miller has to go out. tsun does not. When talking about a 1 man team, Websters has a picture of DR. We saw it last week. Also, how smart is Borges? He moved his best backup to WR to strenghten a weak WR corps (good idea I guess), but he never kept him in the QB mix so that the most experienced backup to DR could step in. Now this week he is having DG take the snaps over Bellomy. My guess is that he will be behind the power curve at a very critical position.
I work in m*chigan and heard on the radio today that both Gardner and Bellomy were taking equal snaps as second string this week but Bellomy is still listed at #2 (lolololz). It also was said that DR's arm injury is slightly different and more lingering than his previous elbow injuries, but he is still expected to start.
Actually, Hoke said in the Wed presser that Gardner took a lot more reps than Bellomy. He never said that Bellomy would go if Denard got hurt. He basically said it would be a game time decision. He did say he had confidence in Bellomy (bleh), but I would imagine we'd see Gardner if Denard came out.
I agree, once he brings his guys in the game is going to be an absolute war. Besides, it is not like Tressel didn't groom mac level recruits and turn them into all americans. Hawk, Robiskie, Laurinaitis were all three star gems, I just think tosu fans who think that we are going to roll over Michigan for the next decade are mistaken.
First of all, I am a big Coach Tressel fan. However, I feel better having a HC that does not take his foot off the gas as compared to Tressel Ball.
I was speaking purely from a recruiting perspective, coaches can run pro style offenses and still be aggressive. I want a great rivalry, both teams rolling on all cylinders. Before we crush them.
3 Star doesn't always equal MAC level talent though. Hankins was a 3 star and go back and look at his offer list. Marcus last year was another 3 star. So 3 star doesn't necessarily equal MAC level talent.
You always make good arguments Hodge, but the wild card is that The Game is a home game for Ohio State. I have a feeling this year's matchup is going to be a very, very loud affair in The Shoe. Crowd noise gets Denard rattled.
And let's not forget about recruits. I think UFM is supposed to have a ton of recruits in C-bus for the game this year. The Game is always important, but I think UFM knows that The Game this year is going to be important for OSU in pulling in these recruits and set the tone for the UFM/Brady Hoke recruiting battles in the future.
We were also seeing the possibility of Hoke having Denard return kicks and/or punts? Sounds like desperation as opposed to superior coaching. Put what equates to your entire offense in a position to sustain an unnecessary injury? Don't get it.
You never always have to worry about Denard getting hurt... he's tough soft and plays through comes out because of anything!
Maybe if he wore a headset he would know what is going on?
I don't care. J.J. Watt was at Central Michigan as a TE before he paid his own way into Wisconsins. But I doubt this is that likely.
When I'm not flipping MAC commits, I'm flipping BURGERS!!
He's going to have to keep flipping MAC recruits if he keeps bullying his commits to not visit another campus. That would be a great experience for any high school athlete...getting to see so many top notch programs. If he's sold on being a michigan man, then you got no worries Big Baby Hoke.
^ Meh I actually think the policy is a pretty fair one, and it helps insure that your team isn't left stranded on signing day by a sudden decommitment.