Oops

October 15, 2012 at 6:32p    by Jason Priestas    
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theDuke's picture

I'm taking the 5th on this one... or should i say, the 1st... oh crap.

theDuke

theDuke's picture

game....... blouses.

theDuke

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

Holla holla holla holla holla

buckeyeEddie27's picture

ONE TWO THREE FO FIIIIIIIF

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

dja.ohio's picture

I resisted the urge to take to Twitter to comment on Mrs. Howard's tweeter handle '@pink_funk'.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Was it wrong? Yes, joking about someone's death is not funny. The key word there is not 'death' however, but the word 'joke.' Does anyone think he was actually wishing he would die? #overreactmuch
I personally loved the part of the article involving how the fanbase feels about Herbie. Sorry, but he will never get a pass from me. Breaking the Tatgate situation the way he did, his final ballot that season, and they way he threw the fan base under the bus when he moved cannot be erased -- not matter how much bleach and spray tan is utilized.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

741's picture

Is there a link yet for Common Man calling Herbie a "fake" during his show today? I missed it.
I did hear the part where producer "Porkchop" played Freebird as the into music to a segment which caused Common Man to say, "Interesting choice (of music), there Porkchop."
Full disclosure: I am loving the drama.
#citgo

RC's picture

Mr PC Herbstreit needs to get over himself.  I'm sure he did this to endear himself even more to the OSU hating masses and to his bosses at ESPN but it would have been better off left alone.  I don't always agree with Torgerson and sometimes he gets on my nerves but this is what he does and I am just as often entertained by him.  Maybe he stepped over the line a bit but this outrage over the situation is ridiculous.  He apologized for it and anybody who has listened to him knows he didn't actually wish for Howard's death and people need to get over it.  I understand his family getting upset and defensive, everyone else's mock outrage is tiresome.  My opinion.

Texas Buckeye's picture

Just saw this tweet from Mike Ricordati.
@CommonMan971: Interesting to note that the sheriffs of morality town usually have the most skeletons in their closets.
Nobody is going to win in this situation. That's all I'll say about this.

It's true... We really are a bunch of nuts!
Go Bucks!

741's picture

This is getting better and better! I wonder if these two self described idiots actually believe their Q ratings are high enough that they can simply disregard common sense and basic standards of civilized human behaviour and keep their jobs.
It's simple: Torg should make a personal, private apology to Desmond and his wife, and he should be publically contrite on air. It's just the adult thing to do... duh!
If anyone considers, "I'm sorry if anyone was offended" to be an actual apology then we are just going to have to agree to disagree.
I'm not a Herbie fan, but he's right on this one.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

So is a broken clock -- twice a day even!
But you are correct, 'I am sorry if anyone was offended' is not an apology of acceptance, but of blame. I think the whole thing is being blown out of proportion, and not sure if I think ANY apology is warranted, but this one is certainly lame.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

theDuke's picture

"ummm thats, just like, your opinion, Man."

theDuke

jestertcf's picture

note: any time the big lebowski is quoted, and fits well, will always get an upvote from me.
 
well played good sir

~Because we couldn't go for three~

Poison nuts's picture

Glad to see someone with the balls to take that stance...I dislike Tsun as much as the next guy. I'm also married to a UM grad. We have a lot of fun with the rivalry, and there are not many more things as sacred to me as The Game. At the end of the day though - it's just a game...it is just sports. I too have had a few issues with things Herbstreit has done in the past, but he's dead on here IMO...
To those who would say it was just a joke, well it's no longer a joke when you put it out there for the world to see. When you're a (semi) high profile person you're obligated to to be held to a higher standard. Stupidity is no excuse. If someone had a child with a learning disability or autism and I start making jokes around that person about 'retards' -- then I'm a dickhead & I shouldn't get a pass because "I was just joking". Call me sensitive or too PC, or hell - down vote me but what the dude did was lame - even if Desmond Howard comes across as a jackbag at times.
Edit: I really did get down voted..Nice!!!

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

741's picture

For the record, as a Buckeye fan I'm still mad at Desmond for the Heisman pose, and Hail to the Victors (with Nick Lachey) on top of Ohio Stadium. But as fan of all things college football, I've got to admit the guy is a good analyst. 
That said, I don't watch College Gameday much anymore (and he's got nothing to do with that).

Poison nuts's picture

Agreed. I get mad at Desmond for loads of things...he recently bragged that Brady Hoke actually disciplines his guys (Toussaint drunk driving) while OSU let the tat 5 play in the Sugar...I was fuming at that. By & large though, I don't think he's a bad football analyst either, and again, it's just football. There are worse people out there than rival ex football players...

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

Also the ONE game suspension for the felony B&E plea.

LouGroza's picture

Some of us are still in great shock after we heard Howard say his team was "classy" because of the way they discipline as compared to OSU. Two weeks later, Frank Clark, convicted of a felony, was back on the team. Now my kids are old enough to read twitter, boy I hope so seeing as to how they are all in college, but I am taking a leap of faith here, and I am concerned for what they had to endure after that comment. Desmond has never apologized. Kirk....oh Kirk?

Enzo's picture

I have to disagree. He's horrible. He has zero personality, and everything he says can be followed by a long duhhhh. Corso was more coherent 30 seconds after his stroke than Desmond on his best day.
Saying he should die was not a smart move for someone that makes their living on the airwaves. But does anyone actually think he meant that Desmond should really die? If he was just another unknown tweeter nobody would give it a second look.

Texas Buckeye's picture

Your solution is great, there's just one problem. It makes too much sense.

It's true... We really are a bunch of nuts!
Go Bucks!

45has2's picture

It was a joke! Lighten up, Francis. I might watch Game Day again when they replace the guy that cannot speak English, just makes words up and isn't smart enough to know which arm to use in a Heisman pose. Aaaaaand the guy that has how many wins against the weasels, TP? (I'll love him forever for that quote.) The guy that can't muster up cajones as big as Ms. Fickell ordering pizza. The guy that got run out of town by a few mouthy fans. Woody's number was listed, he lived in a non-descript house in a non-gated neighborhood. If you dared to call call his number, Mrs. Hayes usually put you politely in your place because Woody was watching film. Herbie couldn't Buck up so he bugged out. Good riddance.

"I don't like nice people. I like tough, honest people." -W.W. Hayes

biggy84's picture

It was clearly a joke and all the pious outrage is laughable. Des has taken every oppurunity to criticize tOSU and their fanbase while herbie claims that he is being "professional" while doing the same. I'm not a big fan of Torg's, but it wasn't like he made a terroristic threat. 

Poison nuts's picture

So...if some broadcaster from Tsun wrote that they wished Speilman would die so they can watch ESPN again, would no one here be outraged? Granted, Desmond Howard has a serious arrogance about him, but I think it's a valid question I'm asking. Would we all not be up in arms?

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

RC's picture

I can only speak for myself, but I wouldn't be.

Poison nuts's picture

Fair enough. Maybe some people wouldn't. I probably wouldn't because I would realize whoever said it is just an idiot. But I think plenty of people would get pissed. I'm willing to bet it would end up in the BUCKSHOT section & there would be loads of comments from angry fans talking all kinds of shit about the guy who said it. Hell, a UM recruit can't do a photobomb to some OSU recruits without people getting bent out of shape. 
Here's the thing though...if a guy said that about Speilman, I would at least think it to be classless & stupid & would certainly understand why people got pissed...But if people disagree with my opinion on this subject, that's A OK with me...all I was really saying is that I thought Herbstreit was right in saying what he did.
@Biggy - I'm not going to do a digital argument with you or anyone. I simply wrote about my opinion on the subject. You don't agree - cool, but I haven't been disrespectful to you so It'd be good if this could stay civil. Thanks.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

biggy84's picture

@ P Nuts- i wasn't the slightest bit disrespectful to you. You asked a question, i answered. If you meant the pious comment, i was referring to herbie.

Poison nuts's picture

Cool.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

biggy84's picture

No. I also wouldn't take the following seriously: eat a bug, jump off a bridge, long walk on a short pier, get head examined................

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I just don't see a reason to get mad. It would clearly be a joke. Tongue in cheek.
It seems like it would be offensive if Torg actually wanted him to die -- anyone think this?  Or maybe if he had just died and Torg tweeted he was glad he was dead so he could watch ESPiN again. Now, THAT would be offensive.
 

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

painterlad's picture

As someone who no longer tweets because I kept putting my foot in my mouth 140 characters at a time, I understand the Torg getting in trouble for his tweet. I guess when you are on air and something just spills out of your mouth because that filter in your brain has a gaping hole in it is one thing. But to type a tweet and hit send is a concentrated effort that takes most of us many seconds to complete. That's more than a simple faux pas.
He could have killed two birds with one stone with a tweet like this: Desmond Howard is to announcers what Herbie was to beating Michigan.
See? Two insults, one tweet and no one has to die. Or get suspended.

To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.

TBDBITLinWIScantSON's picture

Funny. Is that your entree back to tweeting?! Or, would that be a faux-tweet. Ala- I don't always tweet, but when I do, it's on 11W. 

WB

hodge's picture

Posted this in an earlier thread; felt it would be applicable here, as well:
I have zero sympathy for Torg.  You have a public persona that represents a radio station: I'm sorry, but you don't make jokes like this public.  He made the choice to air his opinion for the whole world to hear, and he has to deal with the consequences of embarassing his employer.
For example, I'm a huge fan of really dark, filthy, and macabre humour: but I don't make the twisted jokes that I find amusing here on this site because I know it's not appropriate for some people, and is a detriment to discourse.  I'm twenty-three, Torg's thirty-eight.  He should know better.
Stupid is as stupid does. I'm a lot less concerned with the severity of a senseless joke than I am with the stupidity of the person making it. Also, consider this: we (rightly) downvote the hell out of jokes making light of Sandusky's serial pedophlia, isn't wishing for another human's death, even in jest, somewhat comparable?
Also, I don't blame Herbie for defending Howard:  they're colleagues, and by all accounts, get along swimmingly.  It's a testament to the institutions that shaped both men that they can look past their competitive hatred to work together so cordially.  Howard made the right decision for himself, and is hated by his home state for doing so: can you blame him for laughing at the derision directed toward his success?

painterlad's picture

While I agree with most of what you wrote, I do have to comment on the Sandusky thing. For the Torg to make a comment about the death of Howard is an obvious jest. You can certainly argue it is in poor taste, but it is clearly a joke. To make fun of the Sandusky case, an actual event that traumatized several young boys by a grown man inflicting barbaric acts upon them, is totally different. Personally I don't see any comparison between joking about a person being such a bad announcer that you wish they get fired or die (an obvious exaggeration made to come across as a joke) and making fun of child rape. Now if Howard had cancer and he made that joke, then it would be comparable.
And are you really just 23 years old? I mean, you have Dr. Strangelove as your avatar and you use the term "swimmingly." Do you also wear trousers and sit on a Davenport?

To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.

Poison nuts's picture

And are you really just 23 years old? I mean, you have Dr. Strangelove as your avatar and you use the term "swimmingly." Do you also wear trousers and sit on a Davenport?

Haha - yeah, Every time I read his comments, I'm thinking no way this is a kid...wise beyond his years for sure.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

hodge's picture

You make a very good point about actual events versus obvious fabrication, and are totally right: the two things--in jest--definitely differ on severity, but are still tasteless nonetheless.  I never meant to say that they were equal things, but they do exist within the same continuum.  I guess I just believe that he knew he was making an "extreme" joke when he did it, and he knew it was going to offend, he just didn't care.
I don't think what he said was a big deal: I've told my friends  to "go die" plenty of times in jest.  But therein lies the rub; I said those things to my friends--who understood the words I was saying were completely in jest, also where such subjects are considered essential to discourse--whereas Torg said what he said to not only a mere stranger, but also a man who could be at least be considered a coworker (97.1 The Fan is an ESPN Radio affiliate), if not a superior.  The article is right; he makes a living by toeing the line, and landed firmly on the wrong side of it this time (apparently, I did as well, at least to some people--as evidenced by the two downvotes my original comment received).
And yes, I'm twenty three.  I have a rabid fascination for all things English, can't help it.  Beer, cars, movies, you name it.  Hell, I'm wearing Doc Martens right now.

painterlad's picture

Hats trilbies off to you on what was obviously a fine education.

To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.

hodge's picture

I'll tip my scally cap (of which I have two...sigh) to you any day, good sir.

theDuke's picture

^vote inre: Doc Martens

theDuke

OhioKris's picture

The common man and the torg are some of/if not that worst sports show radio hosts i've ever had the mispleasure of hearing. Listening to their show is something i just don't do anymore (i stopped listening months upon months ago) they seemingly have zero sports knowledge and claim to be buckeye fans, while having no real knowledge of the team or its history past 2002. They spew non-facts and made up stats, take every chance to rip the team and school yet at the same time say how much they loooooooove Ohio State. They love OSU because they're paid to.
Listening to that show will literaly lower your IQ. 

hodge's picture

I couldn't listen to them talk Buckeye football after I joined eleven warriors. Their insights are like finger-painted copy paper compared to Eleven-Dub's Mona Lisa. 

J.Mo's picture

Common Man and the Torg are amazing when they're compared to T-Bone. I appreciate that T-Bone is trying but I usually have to flip on 106.7 or something when T-Bone is on.
Common Man and Torg can be funny at times and be downright painful to listen to. Regardless they're mostly entertaining even though I don't agree with a lot of what they're saying. I don't think there are many people who are fans of their local sports radio hosts. I rather hear Common Man and the Torg be idiots than having to listen to Mike &Mike talk about the NFL (typically the Jets) during my drive home. My drive into work I typically channel surf.
 
The one segment Commn Man and Torg did that was downright hilarious was Rant of the day. I miss that segment.

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Should Torg have wished that Desmond would die, jokingly or not?  No.  But I have to laugh at Kirk talking about what Desmond had to "endure".  I'm pretty sure Desmond is fine.  Maybe a bit offended, but he's fine.  Nobody actually tried to kill him.  He can brush off a comment like that because he's on national TV on College GameDay, while Torg is just a local radio guy.  I'm sure Desmond is just fine, and was probably like "WTF?  Who the f is this guy?" 

Class of 2010.

johnblairgobucks's picture

But I have to laugh at Kirk talking about what Desmond had to "endure".  I'm pretty sure Desmond is fine.  Maybe a bit offended, but he's fine.  Nobody actually tried to kill him.

I'm sure Desmond is just fine, and was probably like "WTF?  Who the f is this guy?"

Showthemohioishere.....I UP VOTE thee.

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

If Torg said the same thing about Mike Hart would anyone care?

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

If he worked for ESPiN. Sure.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

cjkanski's picture

Ohh 4 a minute they would.

Grayskullsession's picture

Thats funny, I was saying the same thing about the Torg so I can listen to 97.1 in the afternoon.

"if irony were made of strawberries, we' d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now."

Johnny Ginter's picture

the common man and the torg show is completely terrible in every way and i hate that they're as popular as they are

maybe i should release the common bro and the bup track we did but held back because of how insane it was...

BLeezy17's picture

I would listen to it on a loop.

Poison nuts's picture

Thinking now I should have steered clear of this subject...I figured my opinion would be in the minority on this, but damn...
Edit: wish this had all been about Mark May - I would have zero down votes, because I would have written nothing.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

Denny's picture

Shocking news: someone on sports talk radio is a shithead.

Taquitos.

Enzo's picture

Prove no one watching wasn't hoping for a lightning bolt to obliterate desmond on the spot while he sang hail to the motherf*****s on top of the 'Shoe.

Erk aTx's picture

Common man & the torg is an excellent show. I don't see peoples hate against it. His tweet was completely harmless IMO and people overreact too much in this damn PC world. His wife needs to shut up and grow some thick skin.

tennbuckeye19's picture

Proportion: It's been blown out 
Torg is a schlub of a guy who gets paid to say dumb stuff. Is anyone surprised he tweeted something like this? 
If you ask me, the real crime is that people actually watch Gameday. 

Doc's picture

Desmond is a mushmouthed tool of the highest proportion.  Torg is less of one.  He made a stupid comment that has cost him.  I'm sure he makes a fraction of what Dez and Herbie make.  For these two "professionals" to make a stink about what a local OSU biased radio host says is sophomoric at best.  Torg shouldn't have wished the guy dead, but then again Herbie should STFU and let it lay.  Just another example of Herbie being immature and petty.  And another chance for him to take a shot at Cbus and his alma mater.
"Fake ass Buckeye" indeed.

"Say my name."

hodge's picture

Just a thought: isn't it indeed plausable that Herbie was told by ESPN to mount a rousing defense of Howard?  I'm sure that the bosses in Bristol weren't all that pleased to see one of their affiliates cause a big stink about one of their flagship analysts.  I mean, Herbie's the link between both stations, and 97.1 is an ESPN Radio affiliate, doesn't it make sense?  I'm sure that Herbie wasn't a fan of the tweet in the first place, but I wonder if ESPN asked him to help "frame" the message to the local crowd--for whom the tweet was obviously intended--and to provide a context for Torg's (at the time) impending punishment.

tennbuckeye19's picture

Plausible yes, and you could be onto something, but I don't know. I just took it for what it was, Herbie defending his friend and coworker Desmond over something that he felt was out of line. 

Doc's picture

Possibly Hodge, but how big of a stink was it really before Herbie injected himself into the situation?  I'm not on twitter so I don't know.  I'm guessing he made it bigger than it should have been.

"Say my name."

RBuck's picture

I doubt that Hodge. I heard Herbstreit so-called rant on the Fan and it went something like this:
(paraphrased) "A lot of you would not believe that a lot of former OSU and Michigan players are friends, Desmond Howard is my friend."
I never did like Herbie and I surely don't like Howard. But, Herbstreit defended his friend and I give him all the credit in the world for that.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Dougger's picture

I love how the name of this thread it called "oops"

I like football

RedStorm45's picture

You don't listen to CM&T for breaking inside sports news.  It is a highly rate show.  It's a lot of random, stupid humor.  They're not arrogant (Cowherd) and they're just being immature most of the time.  You can always turn to 1460 AM to listen to ESPN Radio during that time.  They joke about death on the air, so I'm surprised this tweet got the attention it did.  He was referencing the fact he wanted to watch GameDay and wanted Desmond off the show.  "or die" was probably the worst choice of wording there.  I doubt Desmond knew about this because it wasn't picked up by national media until late Sunday/early Monday.  If you understand their show, this tweet wasn't that over the top.  If you think the Torg is a sports journalist, then you would be offended.
 
Funny thing is, he just won employee of the quarter haha