PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
Man, that dude is a d-bag...
Real fans stay for Carmen.
Tress apparently did it in 2006 (supposed miscommunication b/w Tress and tOSU official that submitted the vote). But still, Kiffin is backtracking fast trying to explain it.
"Oh I meant I wouldn't vote us #1 if I were a coach from another school durrhurr."
You can kill a fly with your slipper or a cannon. Either way, the fly dies. -Ramzy
How does Kiffin lying even make the news at this point?
HAHAHAH Get used to it Buckeye fans. This man poses the biggest threat to Urban's reign of terror.
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
I'd argue that Saban does. Kiffin really doesn't have a proven track record as anything other than an offensive coordinator, although he's becoming one Hell of a recruiter.
There are quite a few people in SEC-land that will insist to you that Saban drove Meyer out of the SEC.
What's the response to Saban not being a genius when he didn't have talent (Michigan St)? This guy got a ton better as a coach when he could land a top 5 class at LSU or Bammer.
He also got a ton better when could oversign his classes, something he could not do in the BIG.
Ya, Nick Saban never got the most out of his guys at Michigan State. He only won with super talent.
He did well enough at MSU to earn a big time job at LSU, and that allowed him to eventually punch his ticket to Bama. I don't get it. The guy isn't a good coach because he didn't win titles at MSU? Come on man. Saban is a total genius and is far and away the best coach in the nation. He's a great recruiter too but you still have to coach those guys. If recruiting was all it took, Jimbo Fischer should be winning too right?
Yea, I think I'm doing two things here-Assuming Saban won't be around for a long time and assuming MEyer will.
I guess I'm thinking of the next big thing-Bama is the current big thing. I'm sort of looking past the power house that is the Tide.
Jason, do those same people in SEC-land make that argument about Kiffin? Kiffin's situation at USC isn't that much different from Meyer's here. Both left the SEC to return to former employers for their "dream" jobs.
Kiffin plays the "I had no idea" card so well. From what he says to the clueless look on his face.
fixture of coaching staff that had LOIC at Southern Cal, to his "I didn't know that was a violation" response to his time at Tennessee, to what he is doing at Southern Cal now.
Hey....I'm a head coach, I just didn't know the rules. Sorry folks.
Hey I'm a head coach, you caught me in a lie? That's not what I really meant.
Hey I'm a long time assistant, coaching has been in my family for ever, I had no part of what unfolded at Southern Cal. That was all Reggie.
Shucks guys, that was just a little mistake.
Seriously, this guy is slimey.
Man, there is a lot of "pot calling the kettle black" on this thread. Meyer is no stranger to slimy coaching decisions...particularly disciplining players that get into trouble off the field, in addition to the shear # of players that get into trouble off the field while he was at Florida. We can get into that history if you really want to, but it should be unnecessary for this crowd because of how closely we used to follow Urban Meyer after the 2006 disaster in the desert. Plus, Ohio State just parted ways with someone who turned out to be just as slimy as anyone else (if you haven't accepted that yet, that's a shame).
So, lay off Kiffin. The coaches poll is a joke, and he is not alone in bizzare coaches poll voting. Tressel was also involved in strange coaches poll voting...like when he declined to vote in the coaches' poll after the 2006 season ended, and I remember at least one other instance involving Tressel when he accidentally said that he doesn't fill out the coaches' poll, then went back on that statement later. Four coaches, including Nick Saban, voted Oklahoma State 4th in their poll at the end of last season.
So, shape it up, guys. Meyer has not head coached a down of football at Ohio State yet, and has already had to dismiss and suspend star players. Despite the extreme scholly reductions, Kiffin has a Voltron-style Ro-beast on the field. College football is a shady, shady business...and Ohio State is still in an uphill battle in shedding its own stigma.
so a pot can't call a kettle black? is that what you are saying?
As an Ohio State fan, I can't think Kiffin is a douche? Simply because I'm an Ohio State fan? Wow boss, you run a tight PC ship. Let me know what to think next time I need a thought, OK?
Chill out, bud. Nothing wrong with trying to spark a little humility in the wake of our own scandals.
JohnBlairgoBucks plans for the day:
1. become humble
2. Chill out
3. Lay off Lane Kiffin
You know, I didn't single YOU out. You're taking this awfully personally. Look at the title of this Buckshot. Any non-Ohio State fan says exactly the same thing about Urban Meyer because of how he left Florida and then signed with Ohio State just a year later. I find it a little hypocritical given what we know about college football coaches.
for sure, BucksFan.
We all have opinions.
I've lived a good life, played a ton of football, watched a ton of football, met boat loads of people from many walks of life. I cherish my ability to form opinions based on my experiences and have the right on a forum to express my feelings. I know I'm not without fault. Kinda hard to tell me how to feel about said subject though.
Phrases like: lay off, chill out, shape up and need humility rub me the wrong way. I'm here to comment on the subject, not get behavior lessons from another.
Well, I'm the kind of guy who's going to point out hypocrisy when I see it. This isn't a Penn State blog, so you're going to get that kind of discourse here. If you'd like to argue the validity of that hypocrisy, by all means let's discuss it as rational adults, with examples. If you don't like it, tough.
I think you both make very good points/arguments. No need to take it personal on either side.
As far as players getting into trouble off the field, I would offer than since he has been at tOSU there have been FOUR players involved with off field issues and he hasnt even coached one snap in his first season.
I am very guilty of giving Meyer a lot of flack while at UF for what his players did off the field. I think we may need to stop pointing our fingers at him as it is plainly evident some things are simply beyond his control.
And yes, I realize an argument can be made that he has control of what happens as far as discipline, standing on the team, etc and he was slightly lax as a Gator. True enough. He has obviously learned from thost mistakes.
Oh, and please stop calling Tress slimey, I dont want to have to dig that horse up just to beat it again.
Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.
It wasn't so much the players getting into trouble as it was how he dealt with it. Like, reinstating a player who was arrested for waiving an AK-47 outside of a club, or suspending a starting DL for being passed out drunk behind the wheel in the middle of an intersection for the SEC championship but not for the bowl game, only suspending Brandon Spikes for a half after that eye gouging incident...Spikes took himself out of the whole game after the press lost its proverbial sh*t. Just saying, he was heavily scruitinized for these kinds of things...virtually all of them could be chalked up to going light on them in order to maintain a competitive edge on the field. You couple all of these incidents with how he practically worshiped Tebow week-in-week out and things just look strange. Maybe he got away from the SEC to avoid that pressure? But that same pressure is obviously present at Ohio State, or else Tressel wouldn't have concealed what he concealed. I can't think of any other motive that fits that course of action.
I think Urban said as much in his interview regarding letting things slide for competitive reasons.
I know we have discussed the Tressel motives to death, but I still feel there has to be an allowance for what was going on outside the world of football as it relates to why he kept quiet. I do concede however, that he should have come out with what he knew in December when the first sanctions came down, but I also think he was simply told to stay quiet at that point.
Tress may not be a saint, but he is a far cry from what you are comparing him with my friend.
Somebody really enjoys their high horse it seems.
If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.
That was funny as shit, Bucksfan. Never heard of Lewis Black.
lol, reallly?! Glad to have introduced you to him. I saw him live at Ohio State in 2003 during the Comedy Central Insomniac Tour with Dave Attell, him, and Mitch Headburn if you can believe it. He opened his act with this: "It's really remarkable, you have the scariest football team in the entire country. And what do they call you? F'cking nuts!"
Bucksfan = Troll.
Edit: That was a +1 for Bucksfan being a troll.
Decaf people decaf.
Lane has always been a sleez bag. I mean even though every coach would probably vote their team #1 as well but hell dont lie and say you wouldnt, then turn around and do it! lol
I also don't like Kiffin, but with the recent happenings at LSU I can't think of any other team I would vote number one. Regardless of what he said intially I cannot think of another team better then them.
~Because we couldn't go for three~
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