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There's a huge line between going easy on student athletes and covering up repeated child molestations.
I understand this is being beat like a dead horse, but it's more about the fact that evidence continues to mount of the culture that existed under Joe Pa....PSU loved to pride themselves on being one of two schools that never had a NCAA violation...I wonder why they didn't? Maybe it was because it was all covered up so well.....
Just like at OSU last year and Miami in the past (completely not the same situation/occurence) there were culture issues that needed to be changed...this validates PSU had a culture issue where football ruled all else and that certainly needs to be punished IMO
Literary genius George Dohrmann really wasted a great tilte for a piece on Penn State. The depth of their depravity is finally coming to light, this stuff goes back years and years and years. I don't think we will ever see a puppet master calling SO many shots the way Paterno was at Penn State. I just wished he lived long enough to see his reputation killed slowly in front of his eyes.
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
I don't buy it. A culture that looks the other way at jay-walking and speeding on the highway is not the same culture that looks the other way on murder.
I came away not liking this Triponey lady at all. She barely "stood up" to Joe Paterno and when in the face of adversity, she resigned and felt alone and defeated for three years. Now she's working as VP of Student Affairs at the College of New Jersey? That's quite the turn in the career path (especially after being at UConn and Penn State).
Is she insinuating that Joe Pa not only had a stranglehold over Penn St, but also had a reach that extended across other universities? This article just screams sour grapes.
She resigned because she felt pressure i.e. she thought she would be fired. You also have to understand that when applying at other Universities she would have needed letters of recomendation from superiors or at least the ability to list contacts for the new school to call. I'm sure that in her case enough people disliked her that she had no positive references from State Penn left. So, in a way, JoePa's reach DID extend to other Universities. She was blacklisted from ever getting another job.
This article is nothing new if you have been paying attention to this entire disgusting saga. She was railroaded because she actually wanted to treat the football players like members of the student body. God forbid.
Paterno was judge, jury and apologist when it came to his football team. An assault that renders a student unconscious deserves more than cleaning up the stadium for 2 hours.
Of course Triponey would have sour feelings about her time at PSU. It sounds terrible. The President of the University didn't have the stones to stand up to Paterno and basically told her that she was expendable and Paterno was not. That might breed some ill will.
^^^ This. If you are a woman and go up against the old boys machine, you will most probably be labeled a bitch, that you just don't understand the way things work, that you are rocking a boat that needs no rocking. The collegiate world is insular-get canned at a "clean" big deal AAU member school like PSU, you can kiss that career goodbye. Perhaps she rubbed them the wrong way, but it sounds like her interpretation of her job responsibilities ran up against how Paterno saw her responsibilties, at least in regard to the football program.
god, this week has been like christmas. in a perfect world, we would have no jerry sanduskys. but, goodness gracious, the only people more intolerable than penn state fans are newly- converted catholics. watching them get humiliated is precious. love it, love it, love it.
I could get the schadenfreude if there weren't a dozen men and boys who are going be deeply disturbed for a very long time. Ease up a little mastermind.
chill, bro. yeah, we all get it. it was a huge tragedy. but what i'm talking about has nothing to do with jerry sandusky; it's all about humbling the deluded. why does everybody on this site have the personality of a goldfish? you're all so anal. maybe it's just a shared chartacteristic of most mesage board people.
I know what you are saying. I made a similar post earlier. No one is saying they are happy about the Penn State saga. That implies you are ok with what transpired-Not at all the point.
I love that the "Give me a minute to tell you how great joe is!" crowd has to dine on a lot of crow for a long time. I don't sympathize with them because I don't recall people jamming "The Ohio State way" down the throats of everyone within earshot. I know plenty of Penn State fans-and people who simply idolized Joe Paterno-who couldn't tell me loud enough how rotten Ohio State was and how it'd do them good to try to emulate Penn State a little. I've been to State College for a game, I've seen the cult like hero worship. It's THOSE people's misery I am enjoying throughoughly. It goes well beyond what actually causes this. I am enjoying watching them being forced to accept their hero was arguably the worst offender of them all (talking about head coaches involved in scandals).
I was on BSD when Ganim originally broke this news and there was a lot of comments about how Joe was spared and he didn't have a hand in anything, and that Jerry tricked him and so on. One guy (and what he said wasn't offensive, it just stuck with me) said "I can't imagine the man I fashion myself after professionally would be a part of this". I actually pictured some dude in a short sleeved white shirt with a black tie as like a manager at a WalMart of something who has a picture of Joe in his office and actually thinks "How would Coach Paterno handle this?" when faced with a problem at work. Its THAT guy I'm laughing at-and believe me, there are a lot of those guys.
I get it. I was seething myself last year when they were coming on here telling us how diirty we were. Seems like PSU fans trolled us the hardest of any other fanbases. And I specifically mentioned to M1EK, that they have NCAA violations in their program. It's just that State College is so insular that they are dealt with before anyone has a chance to find out about them. Apparently, no one told Sara Ganim she shouldn't be looking into Penn State football.
Anyways, guess I'm a goldfish. Or old. Or anal. I believe in karma and we're going to be on probation for several years. Just saying.
M1EK......ha. Now that is funny to think about. What a classic a-hole.
As long as you realize that we're all deluded in our own ways. So, yes, we all need to be humbled.
I miss my old pal M1EK....
If Denard Robinson isn't careful with spooning all that food into his mouth, he's going to end up lookin' like Whoopi Goldberg
Paterno's going to review the Freeh Report apparently, according to their lawyer... I think it's about time they stop trying to dispute this idea that Joe did what he did and he is as guilty as the others accused, including Sandusky... there is a major difference between someone in their personal lives and their professional lives and I think it's time the Paternos and those that continue to side with them accept the fact that professionally speaking (and personally, for those who feel that way) he was a bad individual.
Paterno's family hires a staff of lawyers who are paid by the family to finely tooth comb the Freeh report. They want the results of the Freeh report to satisfy them. You know what the outcome will be: JoePa was never involved. It's everyone else's fault. They want to keep his legacy and image clean.
Thank you, I'll trust that the former Director of the FBI is better at conducting an investigation and summarizing it (I use that term loosely, 270 pages good lord) than the family sponsored lawyers.
I get the dedication to family and all, but do they actually think people are going to believe their side? I guess the PSU faithful will probably eat it up, and maybe that's all they care about.
When told OSU set school record for 50+ games this year, UFM said "That's good. We're gonna break that next year."
you guys know why the sky is blue, don't you?
the four letter actually had a decent article:
“The teams that don’t respect their coaches and don’t trust their coaches are the teams that go .500"
Why would the Paterno's do anything but defend their dad? Seriously, what do you all expect his kids to do? They aren't going to come out and say you know what, you all are right, dad was a scumbag. To be sure, the man deserves the hit to his reputation that he's taking. The real story of Paterno needs to be out there, but what on earth would you all do if it was your father? Let the University and those who are alive and left behind try to pin the whole thing on your dad, who despite this horrible chapter, did do a lot of good for the university and 1000's of players who came through the football program.
Again, I'm not defending Paterno at all, just saying I completely understand why his family would be going through all the steps neccessary to defend their father.
BT, I'm getting the impression that Sue, Paterno's wife, is actually behind a lot of the effort to salvage Paterno's legacy. The danger for the family is the civil litigation. The more she stirs this up about Paterno not being involved in the cover-up, the more she exposes the estate. Plus, an investigation like this is going to involve many lawyers which translates into billable hours. If she isn't careful, she's going to wind up penniless.
Maybe the best reason for the Paterno family to just shut up is that at some point they are going to piss off Spanier, Schultz, and Curley (especially Curley as he seems to be the guy who had the most interaction with Paterno). If she makes antagonists out of them (especially if one of them starts accepting the fact that they are going to jail) one or several might come clean as to what actually went down with Paterno. Trust me... she does not want that. I'm sure the old man did plenty of shifty stuff of which she has no knowledge.
I thought it was interesting that Spanier told Triponey she was one of the 4 or 5 people who saw Paterno's dark side. I'm thinking it was the "Penn State Way" to never disagree with him. I'm guessing she was one of the 4 or 5 who had the audacity to stand up to Paterno and "the Penn State Way"
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