PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
So, if he gets cleared from this investigation about cars, will people put their pitch forks down?
Pitchfork rated Pryor's license reinstatement an 8.1/10.
I like license reinstatement's older stuff better *yawn* /hipster'd
If the dude makes amends and apologizes to the team, coaches, and university, and actually MEANS IT (this needn't be public, but a leak of said "mea culpa" would sure help), I would put down the pitchfork.
It's good he has a car of his own, and has gotten insurance documentation but that's just the first baby-step out of the abyss. I don't know if he has the leadership qualities to salvage his last year, if he does they're recently acquired imho. And this is all predicated on the idea that the NCAA doesn't find anything on him. Lots of ifs.
If the guy does a complete 180 in the right direction I'd forgive. I'd like to think a college-aged guy deserves that. If it's true he was ganking equipment to sign & trade then that's different. You stole from the school. No forgiveness from me. At that point his goose would be fully cooked anyway and the point moot.
Who the hell is the equipment manager? I bet this guy is getting worked by investigators. Could our deal with Nike be so lax they just gives us crap whenever we ask and nobody keeps inventory? Sounds highly unlikely, but what do I know.
"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here."
The ncaa won't find shit on these cars, and Pryor is going to play for Ohio State this year. The end.
Aren't we all hoping for that? Its just highly in doubt.
October 20th: National Kenneth Guiton Day
TP's lawyer is coming out and saying a lot of stuff to quiet all the allegations. Who knows whether any of it is true or not, but it's rather amusing how one's character can be assassinated based on some hearsay (the new 350Z, etc.). To be fair though, Pryor does deserve some of the hate he's getting.
I hope Pryor will beat this investigation and come back after the suspension. He's still dumb as rocks, but he's our dumb rock and I'll continue to support him in that sense. If the school decides to part ways with him, I wouldn't be mad as it's a win/win situation for both parties. I'd just hate to see him leave as public enemy #1 and fans ready to nail him to a cross.
This bit from SI is rather amusing, about Ohio State selling out Pryor. Definitely good timing for the school but I doubt they're really trying to bury the kid. Hearsay worthy.
"No time for love, Doctah Jones!"
LMFAO @ our dumb rock..
he may be a dumb rock, but he's OUR dumb rock, and thats what makes us special
'This is my dumb rock. There are many like it, but this one is mine.'
This just in: The NCAA has launched an investigation over Terrelle Pryor's alleged purchase of Charmin Ultra. He has been spotted in the past purchasing Quilted Northern and Cottonelle. Before joining the Buckeyes, it was widely known that the income his family received could only support Angel Soft use. Give me a break!
"Anything easy ain't worth a damn." - Woody Hayes
Breaking News: The NCAA has launched an investigation over Terrelle Pryor's alleged purchasing of Vitamin Water. It was widely known that Pryor had been a Gatorade drinker but multiple reports say that Pryor has been spotted with up to 8 different flavors of Vitamin Water in hand during his career at Ohio State. The investigation, as to whether or not Pryor was receiving improper discounts of up to $0.44 on beverages, will surely result in additional suspensions and/or dismissal from the football team.
I'll take your hatred and not care. Some people look at this as a form of vindication. Rumors swirl and accusations fly, and this is what it took to get him to do the things that he is supposed to. In the USMC there is a motto or a definition of sorts and it states: Integrity is doing the right thing because it is the right thing to do, not just because someone is looking. So the fact that TP got his license reinstated and got insurance on his car is enough to sway the minds of people back to "His side"? It should not take negative publicity to get him to follow the law or the rules of the school. If I am not mistaken is it not an arrestable offense in Ohio to drive on a Suspended License. I know that it is not an arrestable offense in Alabama, yet it is citeable. So we have video evidence of TP breaking the law? Driving While Suspended. A leader does what is required of him on and off the field. I don't want to see TP in jail nor any other Buckeye to add to the fodder ESPN produces. I am not willing to give him a free pass for every infraction or stupid thing he says. I am tired of the shenanigans.
I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.
Do we know for sure if Pryor had permission to drive to and from school/football obligations? It seems like that might be out of the question in the case of insurance noncompliance, but I haven't found anything definitive one way or the other on it. Just seems like people are always more willing to assume the worst...
If your license is suspended then permission is not the issue. It is likely the staff did not know of his suspension therefore is not culpable. There is nothing the college could do to override the status of his license. Pryor had to take that up with the state.
I did not mean permission from the school, I meant permission from the state. In many cases, the court will allow work/school related privileges to drivers while under suspension. I'm just suggesting that this could have been the case with Pryor, although I personally doubt it.
You can't drive without proof of insurance. He didn't show up for court which is why is license was suspended in the first place, so he wouldn't have gotten permission for anything.
Do you have any concrete proof of either of those things (no leeway for insurance noncompliance or that he didn't show up for court)? I only ask because even though the first seems logical and is what I would assume, I haven't found anything that says that definitively. As for Pryor not showing up to court, again, it seems like there's a lot of conjecture in that direction, but I haven't seen anything concrete.
The truth seems to be that he couldn't provide proof at the time of the stop and his license was suspended even though he actually did have insurance (scroll down here). Since he knew he did have insurance, he probably figured it wasn't a big deal to continue to drive (chances are, with proof readily available) and treated the suspension like the knucklehead he seems to be.
Well you can, just not legally.
The notion that a leader does the right thing on and off the field is absurd. There are so many great players, coaches, leaders of men, who were great on the field or in the spot light but horrible off/out of it. I get that you put a high value on morals. I love that idea too. Fact of the matter is, leaders are human and flawed. Just because TP has proved to be an idiot off the field, doesn't mean the team can't have success with him on the field. They have before, and they may again next year. There's no doubting that TP has been monumentally stupid about how he's conducted himself off the field, but how many great leaders have you found out are abusive, cheat on their spouses, do drugs or drink, get DUI's, break laws etc? The list is a mile long. It has no bearing on their ability to do their job though. You can win a national title on the shoulders of a guy who is a piece of shit. Nations can be lead successfully by total assholes who have no morals. Soldiers can be led by officers who are deplorable human beings, and still be successful.
That being said, if we get a bowl ban for next season anyway, I'm totally fine with making this Braxton's team. If there's no bowl to play for, not chance for a title, lets go ahead and take our lumps and gear us toward the future. That's how TP got the job, only fitting that's how he would go out.
I agree with that.
I understand that what he does away from the field doesn't directly translate in how well he plays his position. It may not have any bearing on his personal performance. What about his teammates? Has at least one not already said that he doesn't care to speak to TP? Some people need their leaders to lead by example. I respect a man that has done what he is asking me to do. If stupid comments and the ability to stay out of trouble should have no baring on a persons ability to lead a team, why is it so talked about and looked for by NFL officials? Soldiers will be lead by anyone that has rank above them because they have no other options other than to do as commanded, unless that order is unlawful, but Marines will die for a leader that is respected and valued and invokes them with the spirit of the corps. Physically he can do whatever, given he handles his own baggage. As a team, they can accomplish so much more if they respect each other as persons and human beings. I am a former Marine, I can tell you that much about what I do or have done. I am not perfect by any stretch and don't expect that of others. It is about striving to be perfect and the effort one puts into that desire that matters. One thing we have come to count on from TP is screw ups and less than desirable comments from him on a yearly basis. I can only listen to an apology or justification so many times before it falls on deaf ears.
Of course I wasn't born in the era where everyone discounts hard work and the desire to be on top. I was not part of the era that gave birth to the notion of participation ribbons either. if you want something bad enough you have to work for it. There is no room for entitlement in that endeavor.
I just don't think you have to like or respect the MAN to follow his lead on the field. As I've said before there are coaches, players, and other morons who were deplorable human beings, that people followed and won on the field with. In an ideal world everyone on the team would get along and respect eachother, but it just doesn't work that way. There are plenty of accounts about teams that won a championship in a given sport, despite there being animosity on the team. Do you think everyone liked Michael Jordan? He was a compulsive gambler who cheated on his wife off the court. He talked more shit than anyone in the NBA, and at times he put himself above the team on the court. He was not an ideal teammate, but what other player would you want leading your team. At times he was damn near a player coach. You could see in team huddles he talked more than Phil Jackson at times.
In baseball half of Tony Larussa's players hate him,always have but look at the long track record of success he's had. You can have character flaws and still be a good leader. He may not be ideal, but the success this team has had under TP can't be denied. There were games won, because of him, and I don't think anyone can question he was a warrior on the field. I'm not saying he was Vince Young, Troy Smith, Tim Tebow, or Colt McCoy, but the team will be better with him on it. As I said above, if they get a bowl ban, I have no problem benching him for the future, but if they aren't banned this year, lets try and make a run.
I understand what you are saying.
"I just don't think you have to like or respect the MAN to follow his lead on the field."
"I just don't think you have to like or respect the MAN to follow his lead on the field."
I don't know about you but I have worked for people I hate and accomplished great things. I have also worked for guys that inspired me and achieved greater goals. You won't always get the leader you want but if you get one you respect you can rise to greater heights. I agree that TP productiveness has been great. I have never knocked his athletic ability, only his passing abilities until recently. In all of the greatness he has achieved could you imagine him having the class and maturity of Tim Tebow? Yeah, I made this comment a dart board with that statement. I am saying that our team can win with a little diversity in its ranks. Not everybody on the team is going to like everyone on that team. Greater achievements are more probable the greater your bond. What is it that binds these guys? Well, that is different for each of them. I can only tell you that if you draw negative criticism to our team by illegal activities away from the field, I would not have the same respect for you nor would I be eager to be lead by you. Have you ever served in the military? These are common philosophies there. Many coaches use these philosophies to strengthen their teams. Also, in regards to your Larusa comment, Larusa played the role of drill instructor, become a hard ass, give your men a common enemy and allow them to bond together to defeat it. Only when they bond together under a common cause do they act as one unit. The team is about unity. It wasn't until Jordan got Paxton, Cartwright and Pippen to step up that they made their championships a reality.
Comparing Pryor to Jordan is a far stretch. Jordan is a champion and won it all at the pinnacle of his sport. Pryor has played his part in winning conference championships but not the big one. Jordan sold himself successfully. Pryor, not so much.
I don't think the constant distraction that Pryor will bring to this team this year will make them better. Does he know the offense better? You bet. I think he is the equivalent of a circus right now. I am ready for the Buckeyes to move on, take our lumps this year and deal with our growing pains. I still see it being successful but not to the degree we have in the past 3 years. I am very hopeful for these young men though.
lol I like that you listed Bill Paxton ahead of the other guys who played with Tracy Jordan
You know your right, I supose his name was John Paxson. Right? I am ot a big basketball fan. Here is a recommendation Denny, maybe you could have responded something like this:
"Irricoir, I think the guy you are referring to is John Paxson but great point."
Either way Denny I appreciate your attempts at being a 8==D.
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