Fightin' Words

By Ramzy Nasrallah on January 8, 2014 at 11:15a

So...Michael Thomas got just a little too honest over the weekend dishing on his some of his teammates.

His honesty inspired me. Here goes: Christian Bryant shouldn't have even been on the goddamn field.

Last September the Buckeyes were in Ohio Stadium up 10 on the Badgers with about that many minutes remaining in the game. They had the ball on 3rd and short at Wisconsin's 28-yard line. They had Drew Basil already warming up his leg on the sideline.

They also had Carlos Hyde in the backfield in his first full game back from suspension (he had five carries in the FAMU blowout), but Braxton Miller's number was called for that 3rd down play and he took a seven-yard sack.

A delay of game penalty then pushed the Buckeyes back five more yards, which transformed what had been a knife-twisting scoring drive into a punt.

Ohio State got the ball back again with 6:42 left in and promptly put the ball in Miller's hands twice more. Those two plays netted two yards. On 3rd down Hyde powered ahead for seven, but the Buckeyes were forced to punt again.

Wisconsin got a field goal on its ensuing drive to cut Ohio State's lead to a single touchdown. Now there were two minutes left.

The Buckeyes recovered Wisconsin's onside kick and gave the ball to Hyde on 1st down. He plowed forward for five yards. The coaches then gave the ball back to Miller again on a designed run where he gave all five of those yards back to the Badgers.

If you're not seeing the pattern here, you're not looking hard enough.

Miller's unsuccessful 3rd down scramble then forced yet another 3-and-out. Four plays later Bryant's ankle was in pieces and his season was over.

Sure, Ohio State's only competent safety and most important defender could have suffered a career-ending injury at any other time, but in this case all his offense had to do was keep him and the rest of the defense on the sideline.

Instead, they went 3-and-out twice, mostly due to having Miller dancing around unproductively as Hyde finished the night with just 17 carries.

:(Aw, CB2. Shoulda been celebrating on the bench.

Two weeks later following its first bye, Ohio State found itself in trouble in Evanston against then-undefeated Northwestern, which was playing like it really was the biggest game in school history. Miller was having a dreadful night.

Kenny Guiton, who shined while Miller was injured in September began warming up on the sideline. And then suddenly Miller returned to form. That's what saved Ohio State, per the postgame narrative.

In related news, Miller's struggles also led to more reliance on Hyde, who bullied the Wildcats for 110 yards on the ground - in just the 2nd half - while scoring three touchdowns over the Buckeyes' final four drives.

The drive where he didn't score? Rod Smith was sent in to spell him following a beastly 17-yard run. It ended when Miller threw incomplete on 3rd down.

Ohio State's savior in 2013 was apparent every time a game got close, and it wasn't Miller. It was the beast lined up in the backfield with him.

Hyde then led the comeback win against Iowa, crushing the Hawkeyes for 106 yards and two TDs in the final two quarters alone. Hyde cleaned up the defense's mess in Champaign with 248 rushing yards and a whole bunch of necessary, cosmetic scores late in the game.

When the Buckeyes chose to use Hyde this season, nobody slowed him down. Nobody. Even Clemson only "held" him to 113 yards on 4.5 per carry running a defense that sold out to stop him and force the Buckeyes to throw.

That was Hyde's worst output of the season. He also had 116 yards (6.6 per carry) against the Spartans, the best defense in America.

But when those two games in particular got close and the Buckeyes had the chance to win in the final minutes, Ohio State called Miller's number instead of Hyde's. And they squandered a potential game-winning drive because of that decision. Twice.

Hyde had the best statistical day by an opposing running back in Ann Arbor in the 134-year history of Michigan football.

Yes, Miller had all of those TD passes early on against Wisconsin and Penn State. He piled up five scores against Michigan as well; don't misunderstand me - Miller didn't win two B1G MVP awards because he's just average. His Michigan performance was nice.

But Hyde had the best statistical day by an opposing running back in Ann Arbor in the 134-year history of Michigan football. He rushed for 226 yards on their field, damn near averaging a first down on every carry. Nobody on any team has ever come close to that. Beanie Wells had fewer yards up there in 2007 on a dozen more carries.

So when the game is close and the margin for error doesn't exist - would you want El Guapo barreling ahead or Miller dancing around? All year the safest and most consistent bet the Buckeyes had was giving it to #34. This isn't convenient hindsight. It was evident all year.

The only thing that frightened traditional I-Formation enthusiasts in Columbus when Urban Meyer was hired was the gimmicky cuteness associated with spread football. As it turned out the Buckeyes ran power out of the spread all year, showing off one of the best rushing attacks Ohio State has ever had.

But in the final two games of the season when they should have leaned on their power back, they ignored him. They got cute. They overthought the play calling and they squandered both of their postseason games because of it.

Yes, there were other, significantly larger problems with the 2013 Buckeyes. Their entire defense was a complete disaster, void of any discernible identity or intuition and easily Ohio State's worst defensive unit of the current century. It never improved. It never learned.

And Thomas was absolutely correct about his fellow receivers being invisible. Some of the recruits Meyer is bringing in for 2014 might have seen the field this year if they weren't still in high school.

But despite all of that, Ohio State was still good enough to run the table with those shortcomings. Nobody could stop Hyde - not for four quarters, and especially not in the fourth one

Monday night as the BCS title game was winding down, Hyde watched Auburn and Florida State slug it out. On the penultimate drive he offered Auburn a simple suggestion:

Seems like he was still a little frustrated. He should be. We all are.

You know what's more demanding on a defense than trying to slow down a bruiser like Hyde - who only gets stronger as the game wears on - with the offensive line that he had, with the game on the line? Absolutely nothing. Nothing is more arduous than that.

And now Hyde - one of the very best we will ever see - is gone for good. We'll never see that nothing again.


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UrbanCulture's picture

Herman: you listening?

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Tim's picture

Herman has driven me crazy at times for the past two seasons, mainly for not giving the ball to Hyde enough.  1st and goal at the 4 in the 2012 Michigan game, and we dialed up the Miller sack play instead of giving the ball to Hyde, which led to a missed field goal and a closer-than-necessary game.

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Jugdish's picture

I thought that the play calling was taken out of Herman's hands and taken over by Urban later in the MSU game. Braxton had been complaining about the hits that his body had taken over the past three years and those are real concerns. When your QB has as many rushing yards as Braxton has, something just isn't right. OSU has one of the best stable of running backs in the country. They were not used to their full ability.

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Buckeye58's picture

I have coached HS football for 18 years and I agree to a certain extent with Ramzy on this point. It is amazing how coaches make play calling more complex than necessary.
However it is also amazing how fans oversimplify it. I have been at many coaching clinics run by college head coaches including Jim Tressel and universally they note that "self scouting" is a big part of their game plan, so I am sure they look at their trends. before you slam the play calling make sure you look real close at the execution as the culprit first. (i.e. the play vs MSU on 4th down was one executed block from being a big gainer.)

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Alpo's picture

Hit the nail on the head yet again Ramzy! Good stuff

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BucksFan2000's picture

If this point of this article was to depress me: mission accomplished.

osu07asu10's picture

This may be the best one yet Ramzy. 
Truer words have never been spoken! I'll miss El Guapo and wish we would have rode him more when it counted!

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cplunk's picture

I was not a huge El Guapo fan early during his career. Going into last season, I generally argued for Rod Smith.
Hyde won me over then kept winning me over, game after game after game. He became one of those players that just should be given the ball almost every play until the defense stops him. And you know what? I'm not sure I ever saw a defense really stop him. Oh, they might hold him from a first after we ran a QB draw and a WR screen that didn't work and then everybody in the stadium knew Hyde was going to get the ball, but still he was beast.
Carlos Hyde gets that first down in the Sparty game. Hell, Carlos Hyde catches that punt and we beat Clemson. I might have tried him at safety or linebacker for a few plays if he was down for it, but not at the expense of his offense. 
Get Hyde the ball. 
If we'd used more Hyde, more TE short routes, and more actual honest-to-God regular screens to Hyde and Wilson, we'd have been unstoppable. We were close to unstoppable anyway. 
Hyde won me over and he's got me for life. Go kick some butt in the NFL, Guapo. Hopefully for a team I like but your my guy no matter where.

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CharlieBuckeye's picture

Thank you Ramzy.  Watching Hyde run the ball was the highlight of the season.  Time and time again the powers that be went away from him during the crucial situations noted above.  Hopefully this is a lesson learned... When your back (not QB) is averaqing 4.5 yards a carry or more you do not stop feeding him the ball other than to go play action pass on occasion.

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bucknut94's picture

OSU's offensive coordinator did something opposing defenses couldn't do---take Hyde out of the game.

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Estrada's picture

Well thanks for bringing my disappointment and sadness back to the forefront, Ramzy.  This handful of prozac is on you buddy!
(no I'm not actually gulping pills in response to a nicely written article, don't worry internet)

fanfarris's picture

Maybe you should ask Ramzy for some of his stach instead of poping prozac like its TicTac.Nice Piece Ramzy but its a day late and a Dollar short.It would've  been  a nice reading a couple of months ago.If Heacock was roaming the sidelines,we could have gotten a second championship. Bekaa forever.


jrich612's picture

No excuse for the MSU game, but if you field a punt I guarantee Hyde gets every touch he can handle in the fourth quarter of the Orange Bowl. 

RufusVonDufus's picture

I think you are dreaming.    The offense all year was hindered by "Dancing with the Stars" and nothing would have changed had the punt been caught.    His athleticism has at times impressed me, but his limitations are easily exploited by DC's with half a brain!


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ABrown07's picture

I've been screaming this since Hyde came back. The dude is without a doubt our best offensive player, if you want something done feed Hyde the ball!

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RedStorm45's picture

Did Elika co-write this with you?

Wilkins78's picture

Ha, that was my thought.  I've been favoriting both their twitter laments about this.

Wilkins78's picture

Not only did we not give him the ball enough, when we weren't giving him the ball we didn't do nearly enough play action to him.  Go back and watch the amount of time Miller gets to throw and how open the receivers are almost every time we ran play action with the fake to Hyde.  I think almost every big passing play we had was from play action.

buckeye20's picture

I couldn't agree more. Sorry, but you have to ride Hyde to victory and we didn't. So, here is the bigger question: Herman obviously abandoned the run in the second half with Hyde, especially against Sparty and Clemson.  Why didn't Urban overrule him? Are they both blind?

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cronimi's picture

Well, we know Urban overrode Herman in the MSU game. One would think/hope that he learned his lesson from that. The question is: What lesson did he learn -- (1) Not to override your OC, or (2) Not to take the ball out of Hyde's hands? If any lesson were learned, based on the Orange Bowl, it was #1. And if that is the case, then Herman is to blame for not Rolling Hyde in the 4th quarter.
I know we lay a lot of blame on Fickell (which, IMHO, is warranted), but too little blame is laid at the feet of Herman and the offensive coaching staff. Yes, this offense was prolific this year, but as the year went on it seemed to regress.
tl;dr - Ramzy's spot on.

bucks_4_life's picture

Carlos Hyde is one of my all time favorite Buckeyes!!  I'm going to miss seeing him smash defenders in the mouth as he runs through them!  I doubt he reads any of this stuff but if he does, my message to you El Guapo:  Thank You!!  Thank you for time in Scarlet and Gray!!

The juice is worth the squeeze

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albinomosquito's picture

Summed it up nicely.  It's pretty frustrating to see the opportunities squandered.  I hate second guessing the coaching staff, because hey, I'm just some drunk guy sitting on my couch, but everybody saw it.  
We'll miss you Hyde.

opus's picture

That's the one thing that's been bugging me since the Orange Bowl. The defense has been maligned around here, and rightfully so, but we all knew going into that game that Clemson was going to get theirs. But the defense stepped up-they got the safety, the pick in the redzone, forced Clemson to a three-and-out after going up 29-20, and got the pick late to give OSU a chance with two timeouts at midfield. And most of the time, the offense did nothing with it but immediately punt it back or turned it over. It was incredibly frustrating, especially going into the season, when you heard about all of these dynamic offensive weapons OSU was supposed to have.
I feel like the offense let down the defense, particularly in the last two games of this season. 

RufusVonDufus's picture

The biggest hindrance to our prolific offense was Miller.   I know it sounds crazy, but whenever the game became the BM show our offense fizzled.   Yea he made some great plays, but for themost part he juked, danced and lost yards.    When the last two plays against Sparty had Miller in an empty backfield I knew Meyer had thrown in the towel.   Miller does not have the presence of a great qb and nothing is going to change next year especially sans Hyde.   EZ will be fine, but will be forgotten by the OC just as Carlos was this year.  


RoyWalley's picture

The wedding singer - excellent

BuckeyeinSavannah's picture

Never noticed the Johnnie bottle....makes that movie even better.

rosscobuckeye's picture

Our offensive coordinator keeps being referred to as a genius and a hot coaching prospect. Not sure why. Everyone seemed to recognize this trend and the fact that it wasn't working except him.

Doc's picture

My thoughts exactly.  I said this in the OB open thread.  He must be the dumbest Mensa member in history.

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dsbgobux's picture

I work with some of the brightest and gifted students in my school. What I have noticed about most of them who have "genius" IQ's is that they ARE some of the dumbest students in the building and have no common sense. I would rather have Joe 6 pack coordinate the offense in the last two games! We should have an 11W feed to the coordinator box next year for us to call up plays!

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Oyster's picture

My father in law has a PhD in metallurgy, a number of patents and did quite a bit of work for the DOD.  Very smart man, and much like you just said, he's as dumb as rock.

"Scrolling hurts my finger"

(and FitzBuck was clearly the winner)

fanfarris's picture

My Father in law gave your father in law a wedgie ...


Oyster's picture

Your father in law was a janitor at Battelle?  Somebody has to clean up, right?

"Scrolling hurts my finger"

(and FitzBuck was clearly the winner)

fanfarris's picture

Now now oyester.get off your high horse.Yes ,not all of us live in Ivory towers like you.But you need to be more caring for" little" people like us..IDIOT.


Oyster's picture

I was simply playing along with the joke that you initiated.  Not sure why you started name calling though? 

"Scrolling hurts my finger"

(and FitzBuck was clearly the winner)

fanfarris's picture

Cause you have insulted all the hard working people.And simply saying that a janitor is not worthy to be respected for what he or she does is worse than calling you an IDIOT.Idiot.BTW Fickell still sucks.


Hovenaut's picture

Twenty years ago I watched Raymont Harris churn out carry after carry in John Cooper's first bowl win at Ohio State.
There have been some fine backs that have run for the S&G since, a Heisman winner, a freshman wonder, etc. I always look back to what Harris did that night in San Diego, the workhorse with the team on his back.
Hyde was a warrior in a similar vein this year. There's been some recent debate as to where he ranks among the all-time greats.
I love the new look offense - the speed, the skill, the ability - there are great days ahead.
But some things never go out of style - I'm going to miss the forceful, determined, between-the-tackles effort Carlos Hyde put forth this past season. His was an inspired performance the past few months.

BuckeyeMike2002's picture

Thanks Guapo, you left it on the field. 
It will be interesting to see how the running back position shapes out next year. You have the last of Tresses guys who are in the Guapo mode and then you have Dontre Wilson who might be the 'Percy'?  Where does Ezekiel Elliott fit into the 2014 mix.
Ramzy, this is a great article (as always), you really show even though you don't say it outright, how far away Braxton is from being a Sunday quarterback. I'm glad that we have him for 1 more year, I think he improved significantly from 2012-2013 and obviously that needs to happen again if we're going to get past Michigan State and compete in the playoff.
I think our coaches are really smart guys and I think they are smart enough to see the things you're bringing out. I also think they will learn and improve. We were a few plays away from a B1G title and the national title game. So it isn't like were comparing sugar to fesces. It is more like we're trying to get from really good steak to filet mignon. 

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jameslee203's picture

I think this will sting even more when Hyde has a good to great NFL career.  He was incredibly difficult to tackle, he has good speed, and although he doesnt break many, he has broken some big gainers.  I think best RB since Eddie.

PF_Flyers22's picture

Yes, there were other, significantly larger problems with the 2013 Buckeyes. Their entire defense was a complete disaster, void of any discernible identity or intuition and easily Ohio State's worst defensive unit of the current century. It never improved. It never learned.

I know this wasn't the focus of the article, but you articulated this better than most. I've always been a huge fan of Fickel and truly appreciate what he's done for the program. But this quote right here...this is why it's time to seek out a new DC. 

Doc's picture

Thanks for that kick in the teeth today Ramzy.  Reality is hard to swallow at times.  Miller regressed all season while Carlos got better.  I'll miss Carlos for many reasons.

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andretolstoy's picture

Good "man with chest" analysis! It rubbed me the wrong way when Meyer said at the end of the MSU game regarding the 4 and 1 miss, "We wanted to give the ball to our best player." And my automatic response to this was, "then why was the ball not given to Hyde?"
Why did we abruptly stop running Hyde in that game all together? Why did we stop running Hyde in the second quarter against scUM and allowed them to pick up steam against our depleted defense when he was just destroying the *ichigan defensive front? It made no sense, no sense whatsoever.
It sort of backs up what I was thinking all year. Our defense was bad, but something about our offense was making it worse. Therefore, we have bigger problems than just our defense and constant negative focus on that part of the team and those coaches is fruitless.

niblick's picture

Ramzy I dont know whether to hug you for writing it for the world to see, or throat punch you for making me relive it all over again.  Either way, your pieces are some of the best ever, each and every week and for that good sir you should be applauded.

UFest57's picture

I am no OC but you could hear me yelling throughout all of our tough games "give him the damn ball". It drives me nuts to see us run Braxton when we know damn well El Guapo is/was a sure thing.

jthiel09's picture

I'm angry / sad at the same time, and you article just made me realize exactly why. You never disappoint Ramzy.


740Bucks's picture

Thank You for the TRUTH!

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WezBuck28's picture

I mean, why do what makes sense?

Barnsey69's picture

Thank you for renewing my despondence regarding what will forever be known as Hydegate 2013. 
I will truly miss El Guapo, however I looking forward to hopefully NOT missing him next fall when "the next" great RB at OSU starts toting the rock and creating a new chapter of history between the tackles....who will it be?

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Ramzy, you definitely have a point, and Herman/Meyer would be the first to tell you that they make mistakes; but let's not exaggerate the point.
Against Clemson, with the OL having its worst game of the season, a bunch of those first down Hyde runs were limited to between -2 and 2 yards, which put them "behind the chains." Hyde had a 33 yard run on 4th and 1, but he also got stopped a few times on 3rd and short. If the Buckeyes had pass-protected better, that probably would have opened things up for Hyde to have a big game, but as it was, the offense was scuffling all night.
Yeah, Herman/Meyer probably got too dazzled at times this season at the prospect of Brax breaking off one of his long improvisational runs, but wouldn't you, too?
If Herman/Meyer ever have another power back as productive as Hyde was, they'll probably have learned their lesson, but then they'll get criticized at times for over-relying on "ground and pound." That's the life of coach, though, I guess.

andretolstoy's picture

I'm not sure if you're being totally honest with the situation here. Historically, Meyer puts the ball in the QB's hand to 'win the day.' And not necessarily with the high percentage pass or with solid passing skills. We'll, Tebow was Tebow and Braxton is Braxton. Tebow won the NC with his tank prowess, but he never learned to pass for the NFL. Where is he at now. I don't want to see the same thing happen to Braxton.
I'm not sure if I like that philosophy entirely. I would like to see a solid running game as an integral part of the offense. One that we use to 'win the day.' I also want to see Braxton learn to be an NFL-type passer. Part of this is his responsibility, and part of it is the coaching. I'm not sure either are completely dedicated to the task. And I'm not sure Meyer's philosophy is one that will put emphasis of development of the player over winning the game. I hope I'm wrong because I'm not sure I like that.
Don't get me wrong, I like the open field stuff and the dazzle - shock and awe. But in the end of the day, football is won at the line of scrimmage. Solid D, and Solid RB running game.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

How was I not being honest with the situation? I explicitly said that I was talking about the Clemson game as one example - obviously, not to suggest that Hyde's lower production on first down runs v. Clemson was typical of the season overall ( I implied just the opposite). I used the Clemson example because that loss and the MSU loss are generating the greatest amount of backlash against Herman/Meyer playcalling.
As for Meyer having a pattern of putting the ball in the QB's hand (presumably you mean the QB's feet, though) at crucial moments, that's a fair point; however, two of those QBs are among the all-time best running QBs in college football, Tebow and Miller. In the future, if Meyer has a QB that is just okay at running and a dynamic RB, he'll probably feed that RB in the clutch. 
Meyer's philosophy did seem to work for Alex Smith's development. And I've seen tremendous improvement from Miller since Herman/Meyer arrived, although he still has more improvement to make.

andretolstoy's picture

I see your point, and raise you my opinion. Meyer's philosophy is to utilize a players' prominent skills and base his offense on this to garner victory. I don't believe he will exert too much energy as a coach on honing the less prominent skills of his QB if it means creating a well-rounded QB or, if it will help him become a better NFL QB. I don't believe these are his priorities. I also believe a lot of our fans are ok with this.
I will give you that Miller improved. For about two games. And then he regressed. This leads me to believe that my opinion that I stated above has some merit to it.
In the end, Meyer did say, "I wanted to put the ball in the hands of my best player" and for whatever reason, I tend to believe that as long as Meyer is coaching. His "best player" will always be the QB.
"In the future, if Meyer has a QB that is just okay at running and a dynamic RB, he'll probably feed that RB in the clutch.
Meyer's philosophy did seem to work for Alex Smith's development. And I've seen tremendous improvement from Miller since Herman/Meyer arrived, although he still has more improvement to make."

D-Day0043's picture

I think the biggest problem in the Orange Bowl was the formations that they were running Hyde out of. They ran him out of the shotgun predominantly instead of the pistol. Hyde gets up a daunting head of steam when he is running out of the pistol, and not coincidentally his longest run and touchdown came out of the pistol. Then for whatever reason they never went back to the pistol formation for the rest of the game.

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kcbrez's picture

Ramzy, I could not agree more. 

ChuckR65's picture

Many criticized Tressel's play calling, but with the game on the line, JT would have handed the ball to#34! This season, Hyde was the best OSU tailback since Archie and with the way we passed the ball in the final games of the season, it was foolish to not give him 25 - 30 carries per game.  All of you spread fans can have Urban and his offense...give me Woody/Tresselball any day!

Young_Turk's picture

I upvoted his post as soon as I read the first sentence.  Would take it back now....Carlos not > George, Maurice, Wells, etc.
But my main point is SweaterVest knew how to play with the lead.  He knew what time it was. 


kcbrez's picture


You don't know what you got 'til it's gone.

I like Coach Meyer and I think his reign will be one of terror for the rest of the B1G, so for now I'm laying this on Coach Herman's shoulders. When the chips are down and you're primarily a power-running offense as Ross Fulton has covered repeatedly, you hand the big boy the ball and crush the opposition.

bassplayer7770's picture

Many times, during the Tressel era, we would have died for our Offense to score 35 points.  The fewest points our Offense scored all year was 24.  Second fewest was 34.  To me, the problem was clearly the Defense, and it's not like Urbz hasn't had great Defense in the past.  I certainly hope he finds a way to get the Defense clicking.

NW Buckeye's picture

Take away the 4 turnovers in the Orange bowl, and that game is ours.  The defense did not turn the ball over, that was the work of the punt return team (a WR dropping the ball), and the offense.  Our D, while not stellar, performed about as well as just about any defense in the BCS bowls.  Yes, there is plenty of room for improvement, but just about any defense would not have survived 4 (four!) turnovers against an offense like that. 

Furious George 27's picture

True but the turnovers were a result of poor decision making on the players, where as the defense has been bad all year because of a combination of factors. The D was giving up points and yards all season... Could this offense have been better? Sure, but when you have only 1 game where they score less than 30 points its really hard to say they did much wrong other than a play here or there and hindsight is 20/20....

Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.

RufusVonDufus's picture

True dat!


andretolstoy's picture

Two different philosophies. Perhaps for JT his "best player" will always be the RB, while for Meyer his "best player" will always be the QB?
I have said it time and time again. The best Coach in the history of CF will the one who will successfully merge Tressel's and Meyer's philosophies.

bucks4nuts's picture

Lets not leave Urban off the hook.. He says he has final say on play calls.

"To The House"

O-H-I-Owe-U's picture

Thank you Mr. Hyde for being a beast all year.
Now, was that Herman/Urban calling Brax's number or Braxton not giving up the ball in those situations? Either way, big mistake. #5 has got to learn to get the ball out of his hands quickly and trust the other guys to make plays. 
With Herman coming from Rice and Iowa State, I honestly think this is the first elite running back he has ever had at his disposal. As a play caller, Coach Herman is also facing truly elite defenses for the first time. Let's hope he learned a lot these last two games and we come out better for it in 2014.

Michael Citro's picture

Carlos Hyde had 113 yards vs. Clemson, BUT...

  • In the second half he carried 11 times for 70 yards (6.4-yard average) and was starting to wear down that Clemson line as only Hyde can.
  • His final carry came in the first minute of the fourth quarter, although he later caught two passes for 39 yards and a TD on the drive.
  • When Ohio State got the ball back with 6:16 remaining, needing a TD and to use up the entire clock to prevent Clemson from taking the lead again, 0 carries for Hyde. (Pass, pass, Miller run, Miller run, pass, Miller sack/fumble).

MENSA members sometimes overthink things.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

But that's just it - against Clemson, at least, the only offensive series that screams "bad play calling!" is probably that 4Q drive with 6:16 remaining, down 35-40. We can nitpick the other drives, with the benefit of hindsight, but Hyde did have a lot of -2 to 2 yd runs on 1D because the OL had its worst game of the season.
And, even if we look at the "bad drive" with 6:16 left in the 4Q, the bad calls are probably confined to two plays of that drive. On the opening play of the drive at the OSU 25, they lost 5 yards trying a little swing pass to Dontre Wilson, making it 2nd and 15. Okay, that play call was probably too cute, but haven't we been waiting all season for that Dontre Moment to finally happen? Besides, on 2nd and 15, Philly Brown got a timely 21-yard completion, followed by a 16 yd jaunt by Brax on 1 and 10. 
So, when they went right back to the well - another Brax run on 1st and 10 at the Clemson 44 with about 5 minutes left - and he got stopped for a 1-yd gain . . . that was a bad play call, but that's easier to see in retrospect than in the heat of the moment, with Brax just having made two big plays back-to-back.
Maybe at that exact moment, down 35-40, 1st and 10 at the Clemson 44, was when Herman/Meyer needed to have the proverbial Roman slave standing next to them, reminding them, "Thou art mortal . . . run El Guapo!"

Michael Citro's picture

Those Braxton runs, passes, and Dontre are the spice in the stew and are extremely effective when used in tandem with Hyde runs (the meat). Don't ever skimp on the meat!

Iron_Buckeye's picture

I wish that I could ^ Vote you.

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pcuzz1's picture

Damn! What could have been if we would have fed the beast in the fourth quarter.

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AJW_16's picture

Preach, brother. During the 4th quarter 11W tweeted something to the effect of "FEED EL GUAPO." I boggles my mind that, in crunch time against the two best teams we played, the Meyer and Herman gave the ball to a not-100% Braxton instead of the dude the opposing defense absolutely could not stop. 

"Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you." 

Barnsey69's picture

I am drafting Hyde next year in fantasy just on principle.

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XUbuckeye's picture

Buckeye Nation will miss you El Guapo! Damn it this still pisses me off that Herman forgot #34 late with games on the line. As great as Miller is, he tends to get those freshman happy feet and completely indecisive with the ball. Call 'em out Ramzy, maybe Herman and Meyer will listen... They overthink things sometimes. I hate to say it and will probably get DV'd for it, but Tress would've managed those games a lot better than the current staff did. 

"So when you get knocked on your butt, get up, get over it, and then next time, kick their ass." - Woody Hayes 

German Buckeye's picture

Ok, agree with your points.  Now what to do about it for next season?  Since we are all being truthful, I somewhat was hoping that Braxton would decide to move on to the NFL, and we'd give one of our young stud QBs a chance.  They certainly couldn't throw or read the defense any worse than Braxton does.  We clearly have recruited high level talent - is it the coaching?  Does Urban need to make coaching changes on both sides of the ball?  I think we all know the offensive "numbers" improved this season over the past couple years, but in crunch time, Braxton's decisions combined with questionable play calling ultimately didn't get it done for most of us.  Truth is, we have elite talent that underperformed when it mattered the most.   

Furious George 27's picture

They scored 33 with 4 turnovers, its on the players not taking care of the ball and or hitting the open WR... You can always second guess a play but its on the player to execute and they have executed against better defenses than Clemson.

Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.

brylee's picture

Agree...the game was lost on turnovers.  The defense did what it did all season long, therefore no one should be surprised.  The fact that we held them to 40 is saying something really...

hootch2's picture

It was almost as if they were punishing Hyde. Because barring that, I will never understand how they would go away from him when he was the clear choice. They totally squandered the 2nd best back in OSU history.

cronimi's picture

While I may not agree with your last sentence, I totally agree with the rest. I was thinking the same thing -- was this somehow punishment for what happened over the summer?! But I concluded that it couldn't be -- I cannot imagine Urban would ever effectively throw the game in an attempt to 'teach El Guapo a lesson' when he'd already punished Hyde. Way too much was on the line to pull that kind of stunt. And if that was what Urban was doing -- then he isn't a coach I'd want on the OSU sideline.

Buckeye80's picture

Come on Ramzy, we all know the real reason Hyde didn't get the ball more.....IT'S FICKELL'S FAULT!
We had problems on offense and defense this year, and I don't know anybody that doesn't agree that feeding El Guapo more would have been good for the team.

d5k's picture

You left out the fact that Wisconsin was playing cover 0 in the 4th quarter but we didn't throw the ball a single time.  Which is more coincidental with Thomas's comments about the lack of receiver production/trust.  We choose to run Miller against these 9 man fronts rather than Hyde because of the extra blocking/numbers.  The Hyde runs were also more productive when he did get the ball because of the threat of Miller.  The prose here is impressive but the simplistic breakdown of stats and overly straightforward conclusion is not.
In other words if Miller got the type of running lanes Hyde got all year he would've run for 2000 yards when you combine in all the scrambles.

SaudiBuckeye's picture

It seems that it is universally accepted that the decision to not give the ball, in BIG Championship Game, to Hyde was a huge mistake. At the time, I accepted our fate and forgave the offense brain trust for that one. To have made the same decision in the Orange Ball, was simply inexcusable. 
Now that I have reflected on yet another enlightening Ramzy commentary, I am now inclined to question the hype surrounding this brain trust.

Kindell's picture

I try not to complain about the coaching and play calling too much because they did put up a lot of points this year, but this is all spot on.  I really just had one feeling about this and it's how I felt every game.  Carlos Hyde was our best player, and we were undefeated from riding him when it got tough.  Why not go out doing the same thing?  They might have stopped him, but I would feel confident that #34 was never going to let that happen.
You also had Miller publicly complaining about getting too many calls to run, and you have another in Hyde who begs for it.

dwcbuckeye's picture

I tend to agree with the article overall.  However, Brax was running very well for several games once his knee was 100%.  Recall he had over 150 yards against Michigan and 142 against Sparty. True for the year he averaged "only" 6.2 ypc, but that includes sacks.  I am comfortable with the assumption that barring a TFL, Brax averages more ypc than Hyde.   But of course, Hyde hardly ever was TFL. 
So while I agree in some of these specific circumstances, Hyde should have received the ball rather than Miller, it is not like they were handing the ball off to me.  I think it was Matt Millen who said it, but it could have been Blackledge - something to the effect that Miller was the best runner in college football - including RB.  I tend to agree. 

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bdegroff's picture

Wouldn't it be fun to ponder what Hyde would have done with another 3 games! Due to an unfortunate event before the season started, Meyer's hand was forced. Even though Hyde was cleared, if Meyer doesn't suspend him it looks horrible. 1500 yards later and 15 Td's, add in the 3 games he didn't play, Hyde's pushing 2000 yards and 20 td's! To me, there is no question who the offensive player of the year is for OSU. What bothers me, and it seems everyone else, is why wasn't he getting more carries? He should have easily averaged 25 touches/game! He was 7 carries a game short. His average of 7 yards a carry, and that's 49 yards more a game. almost 5 first downs a game. That changes a lot for the offense and especially the defense. In my opinion Hyde carried OSU this year, Miller was along for the ride. IMHO, Miller will never be a better than average passer. His ability to understand when to make a certain throw is well below average. Until he learns how to be a passer, he'll just be a great athlete playing QB.

Melissa's picture

Wow.  Thanks for writing this. Didn't realize how much this happened during the season.
I was at the Big 10 championship game.  During the time out before that 4th down play, Carlos was trying to talk to Coach Meyer on the sideline.  You know he was telling Coach to give him the ball.  But Coach just walked away from him.

hit_the_couch's picture

I don't know what happened the last two games. It reminds me a lot of back in the 90s when people would say that Coop would run a completely different plan the last two games of the year, and it would backfire.

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otrain2416's picture

Yet again Ramzy hits the nail right on the head with the hammer. Nice write up!

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BUCKNUTINmi's picture

Bottom line to me is that El Guapo needed more touches down the stretch.  The amount of touches he got in the 4th quarters of MSU, and Clem games are inexcusable.  I have seen coaches over think things and over coach, and I never thought I would see this with Uncle Urb at the helm but it looks to me that is exactly what happened.  FEED THE BEAST. 


Great piece, as always, Ramzy.
I would like to think Meyer and Herman learned something from the last 2 games (hoping with all my heart). I hope these young guys coming back and joining the program can develop and get it done. I also pray the next time the Buckeyes are in a close game vs. a top-ranked opponent that Meyer and Herman remember the mistakes from the Sparty and Clemson games and use that to get us over the top rather than repeat history. Avoiding that pitfall is always the mark of great coaching (which did not happen with the D). I don't know about you all, but the "what could have beens" have gotten really old.

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Doc's picture

I know what you mean.  I'm tired of being a bridesmaid.  We need to make that next step and become a strong and legitimate title contender.  Pissing down our legs in the big games is only feeding the "pretender" theme.  Come on Urban get us over the hump!

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carence's picture

I'm glad this was written as I have had this conversation over and over again. I like Herman but I think he outsmarts himself. He is a genius and what is the biggest enemy of a genius? Himself/herself!
I think he got into situations where deep down he knew all he had to do was run Hyde but he 2nd guessed it thinking, it can't be that easy!
When we played Clemson and we ran a hurry up with Hyde, play after play and got great yardage on each run. What did we do on 3rd down? Not give it to Hyde and it hurt!

Smithy's picture

3rd and 1:  keep ball on bad read, lose 2. 4th and two. Run short sideline, lose 1.
it does repeat.  Hyde will do well in NFL. 
Im glad my job mistakes don't get exposed on national TV. Guess that's why they make the big bucks.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

The more I think about it . . . this thread really highlights the delusion of 20/20 hindsight.
It's easy to dissect, after-the-fact, how split-second decisions (such as play calling) went wrong and could have been done more effectively. Under those conditions, even the very best decision-makers will make mistakes, or they will make good decisions that go wrong anyway for a variety of reasons.
The question is, basically, how good of a batting average does the decision-maker have? It's not whether he should have aced the test, so to speak, because even the best will have the wrong answers, I don't know, maybe 20-percent of the time. Monday-morning-quarterbacking gets us more into a mindset of judging past decisions, made in the heat of the moment, as if the right answers were obvious and the goal was to approximate perfection.
Going forward, I'll still take Herman/Meyer's playcalling "batting average" over the great majority of other staffs.

Crumb's picture

I agree 100% but I don't think it's too much to ask for that they learn from their mistake against MSU. Still I agree, I'll take Meyer and Co. over the rest of college offensive staffs any day of the week.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Yes, I absolutely agree that the coaches/decision-makers should learn from past failures.
However, sometimes they'll go forward with that lesson and in the heat of the moment . . .

  1. The exact applicable situation rarely comes up again, whereas new types of problems sprout up like mushrooms;
  2. They're so focused on avoiding Mistake X, they start making Mistake Y more frequently;
  3. Their preoccupation with fixing Mistake X becomes such a project that it changes their overall approach/productivity for the worse.

Again, that's not to suggest that we shouldn't try to learn from our mistakes; rather, that we need to keep things in perspective. 

smith5568's picture

I think the issue here is, a lot of people were not just dissecting the decisions after the fact. Personally, I was dissecting the decisions during the game, before a play even occurred. I would think "please give the ball to Hyde", but Herman would call something different and it usually went poorly. The right answers were obvious in this instance, it was obvious during the Clemson and MSU games, not just after. 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Oops, ironically, now I am going to be the guy asking for a post-game dissection . . . would you please give me examples from the Clemson game when you felt it was obvious they should have run Hyde but did not and the result of the play as bad?
I ask because, relatively to Ohio State's other games, they did actually feed Hyde quite a lot in the Clemson game. Despite the high score, Ohio State ran only 72 offensive plays, with 25 of those being Hyde rushes. Hyde also caught two passes (I can't remember if he was targeted on any of the incomplete passes). That ain't Mark Dantonio "ride the RB," but it's not light usage, either.
As I commented above, because the OL played its worst game of the season, Hyde had a bunch of low-yielding first down runs in the game. Plus, with all the sacks the Buckeyes gave up, and four turnovers, they short-circuited drives that could have resulted in Hyde getting over 30 carries for the game and (we wish) pounding Clemson into submission.
I criticized, myself, two play calls from the Clemson for not running Hyde. I also thought, a couple of times during the game, "Run El Guapo, damnit!" I think we tend to look back on events, though, and blow out of proportion those few moments when we (thought) we knew better. Those few moments became especially vivid after heartbreaking losses.
But perhaps you can point to a few other examples from the Clemson game so that we can better see that not running Hyde enough was an obvious pattern?

chitown buckeye's picture

Fido, I think the coaches had a hindsight to draw upon in the Clemson game. I'll give them the mistake made at MSU in the final drive. Bad call not giving it to Hyde in the 4th quarter and most certainly on 3rd and 4th down in the final drive. Meyer stated that was a mistake. Now fast forward to Clemson game and they did the exact same thing to Hyde in the 4th and on the final drive. They didn't learn from their mistake and the hindsight of the MSU game. That's the most disappointing thing is they made the same mistakes a week later. I'll give you the one but you're a fool if you do it again.

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NYCBuckeye's picture

A well written article with a number of fair points, but I think this (as many OSU fans have done) undervalues Braxton's playmaking abilities. How quickly we forget Braxton "dancing" his way to back to back 2000 yds passing, 1000 yds rushing seasons, along with back to back Big Ten POY awards? His "dancing" has carried us to back to back undefeated seasons. His "dancing" has already rewritten a number of OSU quarterback records and will continue to do so. The most under appreciated star athlete that I've seen in all of my years as a Buckeye fan.
Playing a contact sport hurt Christian Bryant. OSU lost to Michigan State because it allowed 400+ plus yards to an offense that had been anemic for much of the year. By all accounts, Braxton was running the ball better than Hyde during the MSU game (YPC, longest run, TDs). If Heurman (sp) makes a block on that play, it's a different story. Why not run what had been your best running threat, with a 230+ lb running back as a lead blocker? OSU lost to Clemson because similarly, its defense couldn't stop a nose bleed. That it was the first time in school history OSU had lost while scoring 35+ leaves the assertion that it's somehow the fault of OSU's offensive coaches (who have broken almost every OSU offensive record over the past two seasons), Braxton's "dancing", or Hyde not receiving the ball more is dubious at best.
The play calling could have been better at times, yes. But in many instances Hyde would have - and should have - gotten the ball more if we weren't engaged in shootouts, instances in which Miller's ability to run and pass for larger chunks of yardage were of higher value.

Crumb's picture

I don't think anyone with any sense is saying that this is Braxton's fault, or that the defense doesn't deserve its share of the credit in those last two losses, or that Brax is awful (I love the guy), I think most people are just sad that we got away from something that worked and outsmarted ourselves, particularly two games in a row.

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Crumb's picture

Letting a great player like Miller do his thing isn't a bad idea, unless you have a better option and El Guapo was clearly a better option. Don't get me wrong, Miller is great and could go down in history as one of the greatest Buckeye QBs but Hyde may have been one of the best Buckeyes EVER. And NO ONE stopped him this year except us. No one could have stopped him this year except us. We really did just outsmart ourselves. Good article Ramzy, depressing in a way, but great none the less.

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dwcbuckeye's picture

I love Hyde and perhaps they could have used him a bit more in the Orange bowl.  I just remember them feeding him the ball in the 3rd quarter three straight times on one drive and then the next play was a punt.  So, I think Clemson, on average, did a pretty good job of keeping Hyde in check.

PittBuckeye's picture

There were plenty of things like this all year long, 3rd down play calling wasn't my favorite. All the B1G teams in bowl games had terrible play calling on 3rd down.

Flyermike's picture

The thing that worries me about the 2014 season is this:  if Herman was reluctant to give the ball to El Guapo on 3rd and 4th downs and short, what do you think next year will be like with a stable of largely unproven running backs?  I love watching Braxton, but I hope the coaching staff doesn't unnecessarily have Braxton shoulder the majority of the load for the second year in a row.
I will miss watching Hyde always falling forward for 6-8 yards...

Enzo's picture

Early in the MSU game, they repeatedly failed to convert on 3rd and 1 with Braxton. Hyde falls for 2 yards almost every time he touches the ball. Not to mention not even having Hyde on the field on crucial short yardage downs. Or having him split wide. He was as good a lead blocker as he was a runner, yet he was removed from making an impact. This is where Herm/Meyer outsmarted themselves.

9Route's picture

 On that 4th & 2, I thought, "Just line up and pound Hyde. He falls and gets that yardage every time." But when OSU called a timeout, then there was a commercial break, I thought: "Oh, no...they're going overthink it and not do the simple thing."
 Snapping the ball back a good 5 yards on a shotgun against a fundamentally sound and laterally quick defense is a recipe for disaster if you're gonna run your QB sideways to the short side of the field. That's just making it easy for the defense. Especially after a timeout.
We see it a lot in football --- a team will have a 4th & inches/ 4th & 1 --- when they should just hurry up to the line and sneak it or run it up the gut with a fullback/H-back to block. But, then you see the team call a timeout and get cute, then they get stuffed. Classic overthink.
Herman/Meyer are great 98% of the time, but, damn, that 2% was huge on that playcall.

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jaxbuckeye's picture

What an idiot.  You just don't say those kinds of things about teammates.  There are so many variables involved in getting catches.  He should know that.  To call out his own teammates is bush league.
He needs to remember that these guys that he is calling out, beat him out for the positions.  Hell, even their backups beat him out (as in redshirt).  What's that say about HIM?

Ethos's picture

Don't forget MIller also refused to hand off to Hall several times where there was nothing but green pastures in front of Hall as the defense kept biting on Miller.

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Poison nuts's picture

Hall really got screwed this year IMHO. He was doing very well (yes, I know, inferior competition) early in the season & I think that he would have been a very suitable backup for Hyde if they had just handed him the ball more when he was in on relief duty. When they handed it to him with fresh legs against MSU - he got good yards. I feel bad for the guy & think he was a weapon that didn't get used nearly enough. That said, the team had plenty of weapons that didn't get used enough. Should Braxton come back, I've heard plenty of people say he needs to improve his passing. Braxton needs to improve more than that & trust his teammates to make plays...he doesn't have to do it all.

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smith5568's picture

Truer words could not be spoken. It was painfully obvious, painful to watch, and painful to remember. These may be two games that haunt me for a long time.  

Larryp713's picture

I truly dislike second-guessing by fans, but I don't think anybody would have faulted the play-calling if we ran right at their DE with Hyde and the Clemson D made the play. Braxton looked like Apollo Creed in the 15th round against Rocky in the 4th Quarter... Ride Hyde was the right call. Great analysis.



NW Buckeye's picture

Ramzy, this was an interesting take on the game.  I too, thought it was strange to lean on Miller for that last play.  However, I do believe that the real underlying cause of the fiascoes in Indianapolis and Miami was the lack of bowl experience for this team.  OSU had not played a meaningful bowl game since the Sugar Bowl vs Ark.   Many of the players on this team did not have any experience in the bowl game atmosphere.  And, I think most of us would readily admit that the bowl games take on an entirely different atmosphere than regular season games. 
Couple that with questionable play calling (in this case paralysis by analysis with Herman) and you have a recipe for failure.  Next year should be a challenge for this team with the loss of Hyde, but there is still a lot of talent on this team, and I think the receiving corps will be much better.  Would be nice to actually have multiple play makers on the field and not have to rely on a one stud RB . 

TopDog's picture

Urabn back in Sept said he wanted to control using the run but when it seemed like a no brainer to do just that very thing he went away from it!!!
 ''It's a much different philosophy,'' Meyer said. ''We want to be a 250-yards-a-game team, we want to be a top-10 rushing team. We've kind of been that way over the years.

alust2013's picture

I definitely agree with this. I'll say that we would have been undefeated had the defense been as good as even a mediocre Tressel-era defense, however, and that's the bigger issue. But I really don't understand the designed runs for Brax. He is great at scrambling, and decent with the option-type stuff, but he isn't powerful enough to get yards when everyone knows he is getting the ball. Hyde was, and that's what makes it disappointing.

...and Michigan still sucks.

mtgerken's picture

Probably the best article I have read in months! Could not agree any more. Roll Hyde Roll. You will be truly missed. But I will be rooting for any team you play for on Sundays. 

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Bucks43201's picture

Last month somebody wrote a forum topic about a Mensa member overthinking it sometimes....haha, maybe there's some truth to that.
Ramzy brings up the Nerdwestern game, and that brought back memories of me yelling at the television the first half. For some reason, after Hyde would literally run N'tern over between the 20s...OSU would start throwing the ball the majority of the time, especially inside the 10.
It took almost blowing that game to Northwestern for Herman to FINALLY realize to just pound Hyde. OSU did that in the 4th quarter. But why get cute like that, especially in a big night road game. That game shouldn't have been close. N'tern is small defensively and can not stop a power back.
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Poison nuts's picture

Holy shit do I agree with every single word that I just read in this article!!! While I understand that armchair QB'ing is easier than actually making real live football decisions, I also believe that Hyde was not used when it mattered most, Braxton was not the best offensive player on the field this year, and Michael Thomas was right about what he was saying...although I don't know that Twitter was the place to say it.

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Jonnferrell's picture

Ohio State's savior in 2013 was apparent every time a game got close, and it wasn't Miller. It was the beast lined up in the backfield with him.

True dat.

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chemicalwaste's picture

A couple years ago I used to bitch about carlos running. Not because he wasnt good, but because of they way he ran. He would try to out maneuver DBs all the time. He was a bit heavier then, but to this day, my wife still yells, "Run him the 'f' over Carlos," just to mock me. Last year he started running people over and I was singing his praises. I think I am now Carlos Hyde's biggest fan. Last year, the Mrs bought me a #34 jersey for Christmas. Shes a keeper. I'll miss el guapo though.

tjbucvik23's picture

Great story. I sure as hell hope the OSU coaching staff reads this site. It would do them a service hearing the real opinion of the fans. They do still work for the university and fans don't they ?

causeicouldntgo43's picture

Was waiting to get the Ramzy take on the end of the season and you did not disappoint. The Hermanator and Urban are likely doing some soul searching. At least I hope they are.
Occum's Razor, the principal that the simplest way to get from point A to B is usually the best way, or that the best way to solve a problem is usually the least uncomplicated method, sure applies to giving the ball to El Guapo when you need a few yards. Too bad it was not heeded in crunch time.

seafus26's picture

Amen. Good read. Thanks

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Iron_Buckeye's picture

Great post Ramzy. I think that these are thoughts that a great many of us have expressed over the last two excruciating loses.
There is a lot to be said about not over thinking it. I'm from the old school thought of keep it simple stupid, so getting fancy and cute on the football field has never resonated with me. I can't say that we would have definitely won those games if we continued to feed Hyde, but I sure would've liked our chances!

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2morrow's picture

Have been saying this since last season. I was yelling at the TV during the MSU game - it was so obvious - GIVE THE GD BALL TO HYDE YOU MORONS. MSU could not stop him and had no answer for him. Just watched the replay last night and it was no more obvious than it was when it was happening live. He got 2 carries at the start of the 4th and then never touched the ball again. Averaged almost 7 yards a carry.
I am happy we have UFM but those last two games are on him - as are the previous 24 - I'm not totally ungrateful - but we should have beaten MSU by 2 scores and Clemson by the same. (Though had we beaten MSU, I think FSU would have beaten us in the NC game).
MSU game: UFM should have told Herman, especially on the 3rd down and 4th down in the 4th qtr, "anyone but Hyde gets the ball - you can walk back to Columbus." I would have told BM the same. UFM could have over ridden it and did not.
Two things worry me a little about the OSU program.
1. Can anyone tell me of a great spread option team that also has a great defense? (I can't think of any - and I worry that we are becoming Oregon - put up 50 on weak opponents but anyone that plays physical defense, can smack us around). For some reason the two don't seem to go hand-in-hand and Ramzy kind of alludes to it a little with his comment that Bryant shouldn't have been on the field anyway. Same for the MSU and Clemson games. A ball controlling offense helps the defense.
2. People are successful for different reasons, not the same for ever person. Some have qualities of being smart, creative, personable, leadership, salesmanship, motivator, work-a-holic, detail oriented, etc... I'm sure there are a bunch more qualities. However, if you take a successful person and all of a sudden they stop doing part of what they were good at there is a chance that they will not be as good as they were. UFM intentionally stepped back (which is fine) but it makes you wonder if that was part of his edge? Hope not.
Anyway, too early to be this pessimistic - been following the Bucks since the 60's and the first game I can remember was the 1968 OSU/Jack  Tatum beat down of Purdue and Leroy Keyes 13-0 to knock them off the top spot in college football.
C'mon Bucks! Lets have a great 2014!

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northcampus's picture

A few years ago as we lived through Tresselball and the Walrus, I would have a tough time believing us as OSU fans would be arguing in 2014 about the offense not being conservative enough in big games.

Yamosu's picture

A fucking men.  The fact that this team continually relied upon miller when hyde was the horse, was a joke.  And the inability to see the mistake was a travesty.  And the excuses for miller being injured is just dumb.  Miller is injured so make him do more?  Don't put in Kenny g?  The back half of this season was a travesty of stupidity 

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