SportsNation Isn't Buying Brady Hoke's Five Year Plan

January 3, 2014 at 6:00a    by DJ Byrnes    
37 Comments
Well, then.

The country hasn't seen a landslide of this magnitude since Harding vs. Cox in 1920. Little Brother, indeed.

Source: @MikeWScout

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Jonnferrell's picture

It's obvious to everyone except those in Ann Arbor and a few in Columbus, Ohio, even.

"I'm still hungry." --Brady Hoke

fanfarris's picture

I hope Hoke will be coaching there forever...I like the Guy.

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okiebuck's picture

Just keep feeding Brady and he'll never leave!

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

CALPOPPY's picture

Never and can't don't mean the same thing. Keep feeding him and he won't be able to leave.
How's that nursery rhyme go? "And all the King's horses and all the King's men could not lift Brady Hoke back up again."

I'm a hurtin' buckaroo.

Hovenaut's picture

Filing this under "duh".

"Success...it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

Buckabroad's picture

Agreed. Anyone with eyes can see the directions those two programs are headed.

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

TheShookster's picture

Not sure what they expected hiring a career .500 coach, but it was nice they got that fluke 11-2 season to give them false hope. And according to that map, even the world's oceans voted for Michigan State!

InvertMyVeer's picture

11-2, 8-5, 7-6... notice a trend?

Football is complicated...

BuckeyeinSavannah's picture

I see what you did there.

45OH4IO's picture

Oceans?....Walruses (Walri?) live in oceans.....Bollman? ....MSU!

MichaelJ721984's picture

Keep Hoke forever you scUMbags!!!

TilstheHun3's picture

I wonder if Mike Hart regrets those words every day.

What is this? A center for ants?!? How can we be expected to teach children to learn how to read if they can't even fit inside the building?
 

Geraffi's picture

Mayby, maybe not, but the rest of the mitten state does! 

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

It's not as if he was on the team once MSU started winning.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Sleepy's picture

Prolly not--he went 4-0 against Sparty.

SHAKENBAKE68's picture

I think Hokie thought they meant  "Best at the Smorgasbord" for the next 5 years!

There is no such thing as "friendly fire"..

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

Of course Sparty will be better than michigan, they have our old coaches. Dantonio is building a machine. I hope he keeps it going. We need a solid team in our division if michigan isn't stepping up. Penn State will eventually bounce back, as do most teams who put 100k+ in the stands. Sparty becoming awesome has been a surprise. I just don't see Hoke making michigan anything more than a 8-9 win team.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

BoFuquel's picture

Come on TSUN BOT you must know by now you made a mistake with this Hjoke; admit to it and move on. GO BUCKS!

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

Idaho Helga's picture

Hoke will get 2 more years to right the ship.  Unfortunately for him, next years schedule is not going to help him.  If he loses 3 or more they'll let him go another year only if he dumps some assistants but then his seat will be hotter than a Wild Wing in habanero sauce.
You'd think since this is 100% blue that the average recruit would figure that out too

Dr. House's picture

i see what you did there helga bravo bravo

Hello_Heisman's picture

I don't dispute that Michigan's got issues right now, but votes like these are pointless because they're in the moment, fresh off a season where one team (MSU) had possibly its best season ever and the other team (Michigan) was total garbage.  If they had taken that same poll last year and compared Auburn vs. Alabama, how many states do you think would have predicted Auburn in the NC game for 2014 over Bama?  Point being that these votes have zero bearing on what the next 5 years of on-field performance will actually look like.
I have my concerns about Hoke and the coaching staff but I'm not going to make any final determinations until next year.  I was ok with the general direction of the program in 2011 and 2012, but was wildly disappointed with things in 2013.  If the trend continues in 2014, I'd say that's enough evidence to conclude there are major problems that won't be fixed as long as Hoke is the coach. 
When you look at 2011 and 2012 combined, MSU and Michigan had near identical records (I think Michigan had either 1 or 2 fewer losses but need to double check that) and Hoke was 1-1 vs. Dantonio.  If this is really a 5 year outlook and we have 3 years of data under our belts, the only thing we can say for sure is that MSU was way better than Michigan in 2013 while 2011 and 2012 were essentially a push.   
If for some reason Michigan gets their shit together and goes 10-2 next year while MSU goes 7-5, then these idiot stories will tilt all the way in the other direction saying how MSU has regressed and "Big Brother is Back."  On the other hand, if 2014 plays out like 2013, then I think there's not much hope for Michigan under the current coaching staff and it will be just a matter of time until another coaching search begins.
And for those who are curious about my own expectations of this team, I honestly have no idea.  At this point, I don't care about individual recruits, pre-season hype, practice reports, insider tip sheets, predictions on this site or MGo, or anything else.  I am now firmly in "Show me" mode - I'm not going to believe this team is any good until I see it with my own eyes, on the field against some good opponents on the road. 
There's enough talent on that roster to be better than 7-6, I know that much.  A coaching staff with 4 years of continuity and 3 good recruiting classes should be able to produce strong on-field results, no questions asked.  But until I see them win some games in East Lansing and Columbus, I will not be a true believer in this team. 

60% of the time it works.....every time

stevebelliseeya's picture

I tried to read all of that and then I figured out it was written by a Michigan Man lol...
I respect and read all of your posts but HOW DARE YOU WRITE A BOOK ON HERE!!!
LOL just kidding man.
I'm pouring a little bit of Olde English 800 out right now for your team.

"We are eternal. All this pain is an illusion." - Tool

Hello_Heisman's picture

If it makes you feel better, I was completely procrastinating at work when I wrote that.  Besides, who wouldn't want to read a BOOK about Michigan football on a pro-OSU site???
While you're pouring one out for my Michigan homies, can you hit them up with some Colt .45?  Thanks!
 
 

60% of the time it works.....every time

lljjgg's picture

I think that's a fair point, but I don't think it's just based on a 1-year recency effect. Over the last 6 years MSU has been a MUCH better team. In fact, considerably better than most people give them credit for. They also have much more coaching consistency (so long as Dantonio and Narduzzi stay, which it appears they will) which DOES matter in college athletics when it comes to developing players, and they have a coaching staff in general that I think is much more deserving of our trust than Michigan's. Last but not least, OSU's game against MSU was a perfect example of why recruiting talent doesn't necessarily = on-field talent. That said, MSU's recruiting seems to be heating up with Malik McDowell now considered an MSU lean, Erick Smith (once an OSU lock) potentially visiting MSU, and so on.

For those curious, the two team's records over the last 6 seasons:
MSU (57-23):
13-1, 7-6, 11-3, 11-2, 6-7, 9-4

UM (41-35):
7-6, 8-5, 11-2, 7-6, 5-7, 3-9

MSU 5-1 vs UM over the last 6 years. Obviously I chose the last 6 years for a reason, that was the beginning of the Rich Rod era on. No one doubts the dominance of Michigan during Lloyd Carr's reign. So there is hope for Michigan with a future hire if they get the right coach. They just haven't done it the last two times.

Hello_Heisman's picture

LLJJGG - I can't argue with you about the 6 year data because it's completely true.  Only reason I left it out of my numbers was because if you're assessing the Brady Hoke 5 year plan and what he's selling, he can only be held accountable for Michigan's performance during his time at Michigan.  The thought being that "Ok, we were terrible under RichRod but guess what guys, here's our new plan for success going forward under Hoke".  And if you're assessing Hoke's ability to execute on a 5 year plan going forward at Michigan, the first thing you should look to is his track record in his first 3 years at Michigan. 
I do believe this year weighs more heavily than you think because despite MSU's 5-1 record over the last 6 years, if Michigan had gone 10-3 this year instead of 7-6 in 2013, Hoke's record at Michigan over 3 years would have been 29-10 compared to MSU's 31-10 record under Dantonio during the same timeframe.  Bump those numbers up against each other and it makes for a much more compelling argument over who will be the more successful program over the next 5 years. 
Instead, Michigan's record is 26-13 and trending downward, indicating that Hoke might well be an extension of the poor football played under RichRod.  Then on top of that you layer the other stuff, such as MSU's record vs. Michigan over the past 6 years, and it's easy to see why fans voted the way they did. 
The coaching consistency is a very important point, which is why I made the comment about assessing Hoke after 4 years.  It doesn't seem like there will be major changes to his staff heading into next year, which will mean that by the end of 2014 we'll have seen a 4-year run under Hoke with a stable coaching staff and stable personnel (in terms of limited player transfers, decommitments and such).  If the team still sucks 4 years into a regime with all that stability and a healthy amount of talent, then it's foolish to expect things to improve dramatically moving forward into the future. 
Just remember that after Year 3 of the Dantonio era, MSU was coming off a 6-7 season and the MSU fanbase was calling for Narduzzi's head.  They made a big jump in 2010 (Year 4) which sustained through 2011 and gave them the credibility needed to survive another stinker of a season last year, when they went 7-6. 
Perhaps Hoke and crew will follow a similar path.  Perhaps they'll go 4-8 and everyone will get fired.  Who the hell knows?

60% of the time it works.....every time

CALPOPPY's picture

Hello Hello,
You could have stopped here, in the middle of your first sentence:

votes like these are pointless

I heartily agree with this statement. Of course they are unscientific and biased. Heck, the majority of voters are likely Buckeyes, Spartans, or Domers that vote just to make UM "look bad".
That being said, I do appreciate the additional info on your opinion about the team and direction it is headed. So while I think you could have stopped with the line quoted above, I appreciate the insight.

I'm a hurtin' buckaroo.

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

These are good points.  The big questions are a) Can TTUN get their shit together next year?, and b) Can Sparty keep up this success?  I would say the answer to question a is "it's certainly possible" and question b is "more likely than not". 

Class of 2010.

HolyBuckeye1093's picture

But who has more wins in the 19th century?!!! Boom!

BamaBuckeye144's picture

Somewhere, Richard 'The LionHeart' Rodriguez is laughing.

OH-IO!

BamaBuckeye144's picture

Michigan - Where coaches go to obtain mediocrity.

OH-IO!

southernstatesbuckeye's picture

Of course, Hoke didn't have to actually go to MeShitAgain to obtain mediocrity. 
He just brought it with him.

Chief B1G Dump's picture

LaaaaHooooooooooSeeeeeeeeeeeeeeRrr!!!!!!

tennbuckeye19's picture

Hoke is a victim of his own early success. If Hoke had not won in his first season and gone to a BCS bowl, then UM fans wouldn't have thought they were "back" and expectations wouldn't be so high. 

sivaDavis's picture

I'll give it to you straight UM fans. As long as Dino is at MSU and you have Hoke. Expect to continue to be the little brother. Simple as that. Enjoy Jabril Peppers though! Yay!

"I've had smarter people around me all my life, but I haven't run into one yet that can outwork me. And if they can't outwork you, then smarts aren't going to do them much good." - Woody Hayes

+1 HS
Patriot4098's picture

Hoke @ scUM = Weis @ ND

"Evil shenanigans!"     - Mac

+1 HS
Sleepy's picture

Uh, how many states other than Ohio think Ohio State's going to be better than Sparty over the next five years?
Remember, Brady Hoke is still tied with Urban F. Meyer in number of B1G Championships won.  With zero.

-1 HS