Ohio State Loses for the First Time Under Urban Meyer

By Johnny Ginter on December 7, 2013 at 11:58p
269 Comments
Battle lines

So, we lost. For the first time in the Urban Meyer era, Ohio State dropped a game, losing in the Big Ten Championship 34-24.

Michigan State struck early, going up 17 before Ohio State even had time to blink. Braxton Miller and Hyde responded by putting the team on their backs and playing as they've played for the past few months, ringing up 24 unanswered points. Sparty counterpunched however, and broke the backs of the Buckeyes with another 17 straight to put it away.

Mistakes, mental and physical, caught up with Ohio State. Mark Dantonio finally got one over on Urban Meyer, and a freaking Jim Bollman offense put more points on the board than a Tom Herman offense did.

That sucks, but this has been a team living on the edge for several games this season, and once opponents started figuring out that the Buckeyes never really had a functional secondary after Christian Bryant went down, it was a matter of time before a series of blown coverages and big plays cost Ohio State a game. It hurts that it happened in a game that would've opened the door for a national championship, but it happened, and we'll deal.

This is the first time we've had to write one of these in two years.  This is the first time you, the fan, have had to digest a loss in two years. Here's what we suggest: use this thread to vent, but vent like you been there before. Relax, talk about which coaches you want fired or which players you want benched, but above all else keep it civil.

And maybe read this.

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Mute's picture

Let's be honest, this defense would have been absolutely torched by Winston
 

OSUbonobo23's picture

Yea because there's no possibility he has a bad game or we play better. Yea our pass defense isn't the best, but a little hard to make grandiose statements about scenarios that won't play out. Go work for ESPN.

Maybe if Miller wasn't throwing so poorly and we stopped keeping drives alive with penalties, we'd test your theory.

I put the The, in The Ohio State Univeristy.

Braxton2Devin's picture

Well no other team we've played recently has played a bad game, so what makes you think the 2013 Heisman winner will. 

OSUbonobo23's picture

If everything in this world is so matter of fact then why play the games? Winston probably would play well against us, but who says we couldn't play better? Our defense sucked in this game, but our penalties and offensive play didn't do us any favors. 

Let's just look at all games on paper and decide the winner that way since it's pointless to play them if we already know the outcome. Underdogs never win apparently.

I put the The, in The Ohio State Univeristy.

Dillon G's picture

The best part is, we get to watch FSU up their BCS record to 2-6. I think it is 1-6 now. And I don't think it will be close.

Urbstache's picture

Well that felt good.
Time to lick our wounds, prep for a BCS bowl, and then clean house on this defensive staff.
Can't wait.

Urban Warfare

dr green's picture

Think we"ll make a BCS bowl?

bucknasty13's picture

Yes.  We won't fall out of the top ten.  Any guesses as to which bowl game though?

smartfootballrankings's picture

Orange vs. Clemson seems most likely.

pcon258's picture

Any shot at bama?

cinserious's picture

One of the announcers said we maybe play Oregon in the Orange Bowl which doesn't make sense because naturally it would be FSU vs an SEC team. Clemson claims the ACC spot vs probably 'Bama I would assume. Although I would love to play Clemson/'Bama/or Oregon. However I'm now kinda shocked and worried by any BCS team our pass defense plays. 

Life's daily struggle is choosing between saying F--ck-it, or soldiering on with your responsibilities.  

Jeeves's picture

Sugar will take bama as their replacement for losing ______ to the bcsmncg. Orange gets the next two picks I believe.

bigbill992001's picture

Yep, we've made every QB that we played look great.   We need some elite LB abd DB and a new DC.

+1 HS
gwalther's picture

The offensive staff, read Urban and Herman, did not distinguish themselves either.
We recovered an attempted onside kick and a blocked punt, and got exactly ZERO points out of it. 
The defense did look weak again though, and that is on Fickell. Pitt Brown is not good.

Class of 2008

Jason Priestas's picture

Zero points out of the Cook interception, too.

gwalther's picture

Man, forgot about that one. Wow. Not a good day for our offense/offensive coaches. 

Class of 2008

GoBucksOSU's picture

I am disgusted at this defensive performance. Can we finally get some changes on the defensive staff. We should never give up 34 points to a team that could only put up 14 on Purdue and Minnesota.

BSTP DeCon's picture

Every average QB we have played this year has thrown for 300+ yards or came damn close to it. That's 6 QB's that have all either passed for 300+ yards or within 25 yards of it! I'm with ya, buddy. Took me a minute to sell out and call for the coach's heads, but I want Fickell and Withers out. And I want them out like 5 minutes ago.

cinserious's picture

Yes, and when Urban hires new defensive coaches, make them earn their way into grandiose titles such as co-defensive coordinator and assistant head coach!
Start 'em out as simply linebackers coach, safeties coach, (regular) defensive coordinator. Each owns and is held accountable for his respective position. Execute superbly and move up or move on.

Life's daily struggle is choosing between saying F--ck-it, or soldiering on with your responsibilities.  

bucknut3011's picture

Terrible secondary play ALL season.  No one wraps up, and Roby is a prime defender.  He flies to the ball but throws his body at the ball carrier, head down, trying to knock them off balance.  Fundamentally... wrap up and drive through!
The pass coverage is atrocious, and has been all season.  Did we have FIVE pass interference calls on us last night?  You have got to be kidding me! 
I think Fickell/Whithers (who is exactly steering the defense) and Coombs need to be held accountable.  I think Urban has a bone to pick particularlly with Coombs.  In both this game and last week's game, I saw Urban in Coombs' ear, and it didn't look like he was just whispering sweet nothings.

wyatt's picture

Congratulations to Michigan State. They played well and deserved the championship.

Kaceybrown's picture

That they did my man. It's been a helluva run. Let's go win this bowl game. O-H!!!!
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Next year's team could be even better. And from there, we're only lookin up!!!! Congrats sparty, enjoy while it lasts. Gonna be the only one for a long time now, you're in our world now honey. 

dan_isaacs's picture

How?  We lose 4/5 of the offensive line.

Dan Isaacs

bigbill992001's picture

And.........Roby, maybe Shazier, maybe Brax

vitaminB's picture

We only lose 3/5 now that Hall has been benched.

Kaceybrown's picture

If we retain ed Warriner, this offensive line will be better than last year, maybe not as good as this, but better than
last. He took what bollman left and turned into a very good line. In 3 years... It's hard to tell what he'll mAke

Rjpfish2's picture

Agree. The o-line is gushing with potential. I wonder who starts next year? Knox? Baldwin? Dodson? Lisle? Price?

Kaceybrown's picture

I had a good response but the only thing I can reply on right now is a DAMN iPhone and I keep trying to fix my post bit it sux. I'm going to sleep. Goodnight. The bucks will be on top soon, don't worry...

cinserious's picture

If Dantonio can make an offense out of nothing with Bollman as OC, Urban/ Warriner/Hinton/ Herman can make something happen with new O-linemen next year. On defense, we might lose Roby and Shazier but the defensive front is trending towards beast-mode real soon and the back-7  can go nowhere but up right?

Life's daily struggle is choosing between saying F--ck-it, or soldiering on with your responsibilities.  

Buckeyeholicwompa's picture

Nobody likes sportsmanship

NCBuck1's picture

Great season Buckeyes! Who would of thought we'd be 24-1 at this point. I'm proud of my team and fuck those who say different. O-H!

IGotAWoody's picture

My sentiments EXACTLY, NC!!!

 - License to kill gophers (wolverines, badgers, etc) by the government of the United Nations

gwalther's picture

I-O!

Class of 2008

BrewstersMillions's picture

A lot went wrong but man, the play calls on 3rd and 3 with the Miller draw and then 4th and 1 on the sweep were easy to spot. Really hated the play calling.
Can't win em all and they lost to a team with a lot of heart. Not many teams stand up to OSU when they rattle off 24 in a row-that breaks most people.
Sparty kicked our butts when they needed to today. Great win for them.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

D-Day0043's picture

Yep. Agree. The momentum shifted back to Sparty after those back to back ignorant play calls that stopped the drive towards the end if the third quarter. Unfortunately we are going to have to replace the line next year. Hopefully Warriner will still be here. He is one of the coaches that I fully trust.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

By no means what it anyone's fault, but when Roby bobbled that pick, things sort of soured after that. It was a bang bang play with so many guys going for the ball but if he comes down with that....
Ugh. I'm breaking my own rules looking at an individual play. It sure seemed like OSU was going to roll...Sparty's tough.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

jkrk's picture

I don't know if it was the bobble as much as tweaking the knee. I thought we lost all our momentum when Roby had to sit out the next series.

spqr2008's picture

The only possibly good thing about the loss is we should retain more staff continuity.

Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

God forbid we use Carlos f*ing Hyde with 2 downs to get 3 yards.

Jonnferrell's picture

Great run Buckeyes.  Let's play Alabama and beat the hell out of them.

"I'm still hungry." --Brady Hoke

ToledoBuckeye's picture

Not with this defense.  I would rather take my chances with Clemson.

"Anything easy ain't worth a damn." - Woody Hayes
 

mchaytou21's picture

I think Clemson will light up our secondary...I would rather play Alabama. But it will be a tough match up either way.

When an intimidator fails to intimidate, he becomes intimidated.

bigbill992001's picture

I'd rather play FAMU.   Maybe we could hold them under 30.

Urban John Simon Meyer's picture

We got flat-out outplayed in both the 1st and 4th quarters. Wow.
 
Best of luck to Sparty in the Rose Bowl.

ballgame's picture

The secondary has been suspect all year, but when you're at third and three in four down territory and you don't give Carlos Hyde the ball on third OR fourth down I just don't understand it. That's where we lost this one.

ballgame's picture

It's so bittersweet that I finally earned my 100th helmet sticker on that post.

xyzner's picture

Yep. I never get riled up watching a game and that sequence of events did it for me. They botched those two plays. You cant tell me Hyde cant get 4 yards in two plays. However. . . the defense is the one to blame for the loss

BuckeyeChief's picture

Damn that sucked. Go Noles. Where do we end up? One ray of sunshine is we may get to play Bama in the Sugar????

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

dr green's picture

We don't want any part of Bama with this Defense, Chief.

Urbstache's picture

This. That ain't no ray of sunshine.

Urban Warfare

IGotAWoody's picture

I'll play ANYBODY, ANYWHERE, ANYTIME! As Jay-Z says, ON to the NEXT ONE!! 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM1RChZk1EU

 - License to kill gophers (wolverines, badgers, etc) by the government of the United Nations

cinserious's picture

I don't know, I'll go out on a limb and say Sparty's defense is better than 'Bama's (or any SEC team for that matter), at least as good as FSU's, better than Stanford, Oregon, Clemson, Baylor...yada,yada,yada.
While the Buckeyes could probably score points on each of those teams, they all have offenses capable of lighting up our defense.

Life's daily struggle is choosing between saying F--ck-it, or soldiering on with your responsibilities.  

USMC11917's picture

Here you have it folks. I don't know how to identify the weakness on defense or who the culprit is but please Meyer, fix our defense. It doesn't feel like Buckeye football. At least everyone can't hide behind the "we're undefeated" curtain anymore.

bigbill992001's picture

Yeah, I wonder what Fickell has to say now.

jrich612's picture

What do Coombs and Withers have to say for themselves? 

betiobuckeye's picture

We may have lost but THE CHASE never ends. We'll get there soon but not this year. GO BUCKS! Let's go get another 24 and 0.

CentralFloridaBuckeye's picture

Disappointing loss.  They could have won that game even with all of the mistakes.  We all know that the D has to get better especially the pass defense.  Bottom line is that we need to continue to recruit top notch D talent. 
Hats off to MSU.  They played hard and deserved to win the game.  MSU has a very good D. 
This season is not over yet.  We will still have a bowl game and most likely a BCS bowl game. Let's finish it out strong and start another winning streak! Go Bucks!! 
 

William's picture

Secondary coaches have to go, still Hell of a season. 

Knarcisi's picture

Our safeties stink in coverage. 
Fuck Coombs, fuck Fickell. 

45has2's picture

Fickell does not coach the DB's. That would be Withers and Coombs.

"I don't like nice people. I like tough, honest people." -W.W. Hayes

WOLFofOHIO's picture

..im proud of our guys and if my grandmother were here..she would have cried..she would have yelled..and she would have said WELL GIVE ME THE GOD DAMN BALL!!  but this will pass..im not gonna bitch or yell at our coaching staff...im going to swallow this loss..a bottle of jack daniels..and just be proud that we will rise and move forward from this loss. No. Matter. What.

there is no greater joy than watching Michigan get slammed. in anything

hit_the_couch's picture

It was gonna happen sooner or later; 24 is the 4th longest FBS streak ever.
 
On a side note, it was kinda funny seeing Jim Delany getting booed.
 
It's been a good run; I hope we get a good BG and win.

And then I told her...i'm no weatherman, but tonight's forecast is calling for several inches!

buckeyedude's picture

I'm going to miss El Guapo the most. By far. You can't replace him.
It hurts. But still not as bad as 98.

 

 

dan_isaacs's picture

Yeah, 98 hurt a lot.  I'm OK with this.  Not happy, but I'm not sad.  Why Hyde didn't get 25-30 carries I don't know.  That just flat out cost us the game.

Dan Isaacs

smartfootballrankings's picture

If you let Sparty score 34, you aren't gonna have a good time in a BCS game.
Hopefully Fickell is updating his resume.  Who do we get to replace him? Who goes with him?

IGotAWoody's picture

YOU might not have a good time with the BCS game, but I'm gonna have a BLAST! Bring on the next opponent! 

 - License to kill gophers (wolverines, badgers, etc) by the government of the United Nations

Jhesse17's picture

Is it a bummer we lost? Yes. But the sun will rise tomorrow, OSU mens BB looks great, wrestling had a huge day, and at the end of the day it's still great to be a buckeye.

LiveLoveARob's picture

F@*% emotions. I never even have those but right now wtf.

GoBucks10's picture

Glad to see everybody is not going off the deep end.  Remeber everyone, we're going to be dealing with 99% of the country which has supposedly become magic MSU fans after our loss.
A 12-1 season is fantastic and 24 in a row was amazing.  As Alfred says in Batman..."Why do we fall?  So that we can learn to pick ourselves up."  Let's pick ourselves up, get into the bowl game and kick some ass.

"Because I couldn't go for three."  - Woody Hayes

cinserious's picture

99% of the country WERE magic MSU fans. Now that that they beat Ohio State, they go back to being a disrespected B1G team.

Life's daily struggle is choosing between saying F--ck-it, or soldiering on with your responsibilities.  

Alice in Aggieland's picture

Looking on the bright side, at least we don't have to fake-root for Bert and the Badgers in the Rose Bowl this year.

aabuckeye's picture

Yeah, the defense wasn't good, but let's face it, the lack of offense was also a huge factor. After scoring 24 straight points, all of a sudden we couldn't get any first downs and were lousy on third down conversions. Don't know what happened.

pcon258's picture

Predictable play calling. I get that running the ball is our bread and butter, but showe some creativity! Kept hoping for a speed option, or a trick play, or really anything that we hadn't already seen a dozen times in the game

southbuc's picture

I was begging for the jump pass to the tight end. But defense is our issue. Fick has to go 

lsjSnail's picture

Can someone seriously explain to me what they practiced all week. Was it running Miller right or left and Hyde? They really need a passing game that is not 30+ yards.

Klingenator's picture

They obviously didn't work on catching passes.

D-Day0043's picture

That was supposed to be a speed option play that got stopped on fourth down. Hauerman got blown up on his block, as he did a few times.

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Rjpfish2's picture

The coaches should have let their blockers (lineman) block and throw their pass-catching TE's more passes.

jamesrbrown322's picture

Defense has dealt with injuries all season. And, honestly, there's not a lot of talent out there, especially in the secondary. The national media is right to a certain extent. OSU does not have the horses to compete, defensively, at an elite level. With Tressel, this could be disguised by the ball-hogging offense and Defenses that forces turnovers. With a quick strike offense, one of the dangers is not having enough depth on Defense. That is what happens with Oregon, and happened this year with OSU and Clemson.
The only cure for this is recruiting, which is to a certain extent, coaching. Before the Defensive staff takes all the blame, and I think they should take some, there is plenty of blame for the offensive staff when you have a power RB averaging over 6 yds a carry, and yet ignore him on 3rd, and later 4th, and short. 1-10 on 3rd downs. Let that sink in, 1-10. You cannot beat anyone, no matter how good or bad your D is, if your offense can't convert 3rd downs, and keeps forcing the defense to trot back out on the field after you only eat up a minute or two of clock.
All that being said, I know this is beyond optimistic, but holding out hope that this stings Shazier and he really wants to come back and get this sour taste out of his mouth. To be honest, we all knew what this was. OSU was about the 5th or 6th best team in the nation, and tonight proved it. I just hope they get a shot an SEC team and beat them. However, I am worried that they'll go into a bowl game totally deflated, with Shazier and Roby thinking more about the NFL. A la Alabama against Utah 2008.

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying." - W.W. Hayes

BuckeyeChief's picture

Roby better not be thinking about that.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

jamesrbrown322's picture

I think it's all he has focued on all year.

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying." - W.W. Hayes

BuckeyeChief's picture

Can I ask, not seeing the last 2 games on TV...WTF is wrong with Brax? Can he not pass the damn ball?

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

Jhesse17's picture

He played well today but the MSU secondary is unbelievable and he was facing pressure all night.

4thandinches's picture

He did NOT play well. I am not sure what game you were watching. 

I wasn't born a Buckeye but I became one as fast as I could. 

Jhesse17's picture

Dude..... for large portions of that game he WAS our offense. He was effective on the ground and dropped some throws in buckets when our OL was getting eaten up in pass pro. His receivers really failed him today.

DefendYoungstown's picture

He was really effective when the play broke down and he had to make something happen.  He wasn't so good when it was a designed run for braxton...

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

45has2's picture

Or a designed pass he needed to complete. Especially if it required any kind of touch.

"I don't like nice people. I like tough, honest people." -W.W. Hayes

Paul's picture

That's the problem. We become one Dimensional on offense. The play calling is terrible! I'd like to see a 300 yard passer at Ohio State again some day. I'm not worried about Herman leaving because Braxton Miller looked the Freshman Braxton Miller tonight in a game when he needed to be a passer and clearly was not capable. Herman runs Miller instead of riding his horse who was averaging 7 yards a play. Braxton Miller has killed so many drives this year!!

There are winners and there are losers, and then there are "THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY"

FOOTBALL BUCKEYES!

USMC11917's picture

The receivers got shut down by MSU's cornerbacks. We would be the real deal with their secondary. Braxton actually had three pretty passes that were perfectly covered or the receivers didn't fight hard enough to hold onto the ball.

DefendYoungstown's picture

^^^ what this guy said, my question is, can we be that defense in one year with the right coaching?

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

swainpm's picture

He played great. But we are all entitled to our opinions. It was a tough loss but hats off to MSU and Dantonio...hopefully they take down Stanford. On a positive note, it will be nice to have more favorable bowl matchups this year.. Lastly, congrats to ALL of the coaches and players on a terrific season. If changes need to be made so be it, I look forward to seeing who leaves and who we are fortunate enough to keep. Now if we can just get Kwon on board...

justanotherbuckeye22's picture

he should have  wore  his  glove ,might have been better  results

Mi.Buckeye's picture

He ran the ball well today but I would disagree with the passing game. There were many over/under thrown balls and the receivers were dropping them left and right. We barely had over 100 yards in passing.

betiobuckeye's picture

I though he was pretty accurate tonight but those CBs know how to break up a pass that's for sure. 

ticodillo's picture

Our WRs were like deer in the headlights Brax hit a number of them in the hands and the cbs swatted the balls away or shadowed just enough and that made them lose the passes we needed them to step up not just Philly. 

D-Day0043's picture

Receivers can't get open, and the intermediate game is nonexistent. Pretty easy to figure out for a defense. We had them on the ropes and Herman picked the wrong time to start running predictable plays. They literally could have gave Hyde the ball 20 times in a row and they wouldn't have been able to stop him. Herman got cute and started calling for low percentage plays in critical situations. Taking shots instead of worrying about first downs. He kept trying to go for the home run and MSU's corners were too good. In spite of all of that we still could have won if the defense could even stop a grandma in a wheel chair. They have made mediocre quarterbacks look like Peyton Manning all year and it finally caught up.

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JakeBuckeye's picture

Bummer. That hurt. You have to be disappointed with the secondary's progress at this point. I'm not saying fire anybody, but somebody needs to change the way they approach things. 24 straight, man. It hurts to lose the first time we play an elite team.

But above all drowning of the sorrows, lets all remember that there's nothing better than this Buckeye thing we're all so lucky to have. I just took a shake-it-off walk and found myself getting the chills whistling Hang On Sloppy.

Go Bucks! O-H!

Knarcisi's picture

Fickell needs to go. 34 points by a Bollman O with no TOs and no short fields?
and rain down on me, but I'm finally gonna say it. Tom Herman sucks as a play caller. Our 3rd down play calling was downright horrible and inexcusable. 

DefendYoungstown's picture

We got kicked in the balls by Bollman, that's what hurts the most...

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

Paul's picture

Braxton Miller shouldn't get a pass either. Maybe this year he should see a horse Whisperer because that QB Guru did nothing for him. He will never be a good QB. His decision making is terrible and he always seems to trip over his or his blockers feet in the open field. 

There are winners and there are losers, and then there are "THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY"

FOOTBALL BUCKEYES!

Buckeyeholicwompa's picture

Would we be more likey to get a Fiesta Bowl than an Orange Bowl??

BuckeyeJosh's picture

Fiesta bowl against Baylor? What  a great opportunity to showcase our defense

"Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it."     -Woody Hayes

Buckeyeholicwompa's picture

Normally when we've had 1 loss we have usually ended up in the Fiesta bowl

smartfootballrankings's picture

You should look up how the bowl games are selected.  There is an order.  No one wants UCF, so whoever gets the last pick picks UCF.  Baylor is locked to Fiesta.  So that means that UCF vs. Baylor.
Pick order is (assuming FSU is #1, Auburn #2):
1) Orange
2) Sugar
3) Orange
4) Sugar
5) Fiesta
Alabama will likely be top 4, so they have to be picked somewhere.  No other SEC teams can go, so that leaves Ohio State, Oklahoma, Clemson, and Oregon (maybe ASU if they stay top 14) as the likely eligible teams.  Orange takes Clemson to replace FSU, Sugar takes Bama, Orange takes Ohio State, Sugar takes Oregon or Oklahoma, and Fiesta takes UCF.

teddyballgame's picture

Great season, we'll be better for it. 
I kept wanting to pretend like our pass defense wasn't that bad, and the problems would eventually subside or go away.  I don't see any improvement though, and we're going to have to make some changes.  Either we don't have the proper talent on the field or it's the coaching.  Something will have to change though, that's just the way it is.

CowCat's picture

Sadly, Sparty gave us an example of how to play in the secondary. There were a few questionable non-calls, but they blanketed us all night.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

officeroso's picture

enough talk of playing someone good, give us someone our defense can stop............. and please Urban get us a real defensive coordinator

Baroclinicity's picture

Good run fellas.  The magic just kinda ran out.  We got exposed one time too many and it bit us down the line in our season.
Can't believe Bollman put 34 on us.  Some crow in there...

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Iron_Buckeye's picture

^This. The fucking worst part of this. Fickell can't stop Bollman with our athletes!

“The minute we stop expecting greatness from our football program, we become Wisconsin.” Craig Krenzel

jamesrbrown322's picture

Offense gained, what like 25 yards in 4th quarter? Is that Fickell's fault?

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying." - W.W. Hayes

Iron_Buckeye's picture

Our Fickell lead Defense allowed 14 pts. in the 4th quarter to a Bollman lead offense...who cares about yards?!

“The minute we stop expecting greatness from our football program, we become Wisconsin.” Craig Krenzel

Baroclinicity's picture

I think I hear Bollman laughing.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

cinserious's picture

Life's daily struggle is choosing between saying F--ck-it, or soldiering on with your responsibilities.  

cwglee's picture

I will never understand not giving the ball to Carlos Hyde on either 3rd or 4th down. 20 years from now I will be wondering what could ahve been. I'd have given it to him both times.

misterpants's picture

Ohio State was outplayed. Hopefully, our guys tip their hats to Sparty, and wake up tomorrow morning and get back to work.
If we do play Clemson, we can finally pay them back for the time Charlie Bauman carelessly ran in to the outstretched hand of Wayne Woodrow Hayes in the `78 Gator Bowl.

misterpants's picture

I should point out that that incident followed a moment where Bauman callously snatched away a ball that Arthur Schlichter had intended for another player. 

DefendYoungstown's picture

I think we can actually say "outcoached" after this performance.

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

SGTBuckeye83's picture

I'm upset but I can't say I was over confident going in to this one. I would rather be exposed in this game than the National Championship game. Sparty did play hard and our guys fought back and showed them that Defense they have isn't the end all be all. ( granted I wish we had something that resembled their backfield) Now let's remember what losing feels like and decide we don't like it for another 2 years. Let's get ready for this bowl game and roll over whoever they put in front of us. GO BUCKS!

Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction.

cinserious's picture

My thoughts exactly. I'd rather a B1G team expose us than a Florida State team REALLY do damage to our secondary in the BCS Title Game.  One lesson we learned from this: even if your head coach is Urban Meyer, defense still wins championships.

Life's daily struggle is choosing between saying F--ck-it, or soldiering on with your responsibilities.  

smartfootballrankings's picture

Yet Auburn has a shot.

Iron_Buckeye's picture

Well that sucked. This feeling sucks. Not sure why Hermann would be so predictable in play calling.We have no intermediate and underneath pass game? I can't believe that, Brax has that skill set.
The front four played their asses off, the pass defense...fuck it I won't even bother. Damn man!
 
 

“The minute we stop expecting greatness from our football program, we become Wisconsin.” Craig Krenzel

avail31678's picture

Yes.  Herman and predictable.  Yes.  I actually thought our D had a lot of high points.  Still secondary coverage problems....

hit_the_couch's picture

It's hard to hate MD; the man is awesome, and I miss the epicness he produced on D here.

And then I told her...i'm no weatherman, but tonight's forecast is calling for several inches!

jaxbuckeye's picture

The only one shocked by this ending are blind homers.  The writing's been on the wall for weeks.  Every single defensive coach should be GONE.  They've done NOTHING to improve this defense or develop the players.  If anything, the defense has regressed.  No coaching staff has gotten less with more.  All these years of working to change the national narrative destroyed in one night.  The fan base has been claiming about not respect, well get used to that.  This staff just validated everything that everyone's been saying about this team : fifth best in SEC, overrated, FRAUD.  What a joke.

William's picture

The whole staff? No. Step back from the ledge man. 

jaxbuckeye's picture

You tell me ONE defensive coach that should stay? 

BuckeyeStrong2's picture

Vrabel. That D line is the only thing worth a damn on the entire defense other than Shazier.

jaxbuckeye's picture

And it isn't about being on the ledge.  It's about finally seeing what the rest of the nation has seen.  We've been blinded by homerism while the defense hasn't improved in 2 years.

William's picture

Let's start with Vrabel. The D-line is 1st in the country in sacks, and we had over 8 TFLs in this game alone. 

jaxbuckeye's picture

So what if you have tackles for losses when you give up so many points.  Talks about a garbage stat.

William's picture

Alright, I think your parents want you to go empty the dehumidifier in the basement. 

jaxbuckeye's picture

My parents' basement?  Yeah, when you have no response, default to the "you live in your parents' basement" insult.  Very clever.  I will take that as you have NOTHING of substance to add.  No point.  You can't refute it.  They played a cupcake schedule that the whole country beat us up over.  We bitched and moaned that no one gives tOSU the respect it deserves.  Well, aren't we the fools.  Turns out they don't deserve the respect.  I would say they were no different than Boise St except Boise tended to get up for the big games. Don't face it if you don't want to but tonight this team single handedly destroyed years of work in finally changing the national narrative. It finally faced a top team and lost, validating everything the nation has been saying.

William's picture

>Uses stats (also known as facts)
>"Man those don't mean anything"
 
Was I supposed to take your stance seriously? This team won 24 straight games, if people aren't going to "give them any respect", those people are idiots, so who should give a shit about their opinions? 
 

jaxbuckeye's picture

Really?  Man, some people just insist on going down with the ship.  Cling to your homerism all you want.  The nation is not laughing WITH you.  Twenty-four straight against WHO?  Let me help you out with that, NO ONE.  Do you think ANYONE is going to mention 24 straight after today?  Talk about a hollow accomplishment.

mchaytou21's picture

24 straight wins and going undefeated in conference play up to this point is not a hollow accomplishment. It is hard to go undefeated once in a season, let alone twice. They were on the brink of accomplishing that, but unfortunately stumbled against a darn good MSU team. My bias will creep in here, but I really don't think MSU is the better team, but they certainly were tonight (with the benefit of some costly penalties and defensive miscues on the part of the Bucks). 
Plus, they are going to a BSC bowl game, that is an accomplishment as well. Winning 24 out of 25, and getting a birth in a BCS bowl game is certainly not a "hollow" accomplishment

When an intimidator fails to intimidate, he becomes intimidated.

WOLFofOHIO's picture

poor jaxbuckeye. Yeah. you are not a buckeye fan. you are a sad little troll and should be wiped off the face of the eleven warriors planet.  i hope everyone here gets you...

 
 

there is no greater joy than watching Michigan get slammed. in anything

jaxbuckeye's picture

Oh I'm crushed.  Like I need YOU to validate me.  You wonder why other fan bases laugh at us.  Go bury your head in the sand and ignore things that are glaring to everyone else.  Some of us live outside of Columbus and can look at the team through glasses that AREN'T scarlet and gray.
BTW, tough talk behind a keyboard.

rdubs's picture

No there is no arguing with dumb.  If you think Vrabel needs to go then you are dumb.

jaxbuckeye's picture

Clearly anyone that disagrees with you is dumb, right?

jamesrbrown322's picture

There is a HUGE lack of depth on D. New coaches would not fix the problem nearly as much as new recruits. However, tonight shows you why guys would rather go some place like Bama, LSU, etc.

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying." - W.W. Hayes

DefendYoungstown's picture

BUT, if you have coaches that can teach your DB's and Safety's to turn their head to defend a pass you would be better off. I don't think we had one deflected pass besides the int...  

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

BuckeyeStrong2's picture

Grant was torched 3-4 times, I am so glad PITT Brown is a senior so Vonn Bell will now get PT since our coaches weren't smart enough to see that ever since Bryant went down PITT does nothing for pass defense other than wave goodbye.

GoBucks10's picture

Keep Vrabel

"Because I couldn't go for three."  - Woody Hayes

misterpants's picture

Agreed. The D-Line wasn't the problem.

Jhesse17's picture

You don't think our Dline is good? If you truly believe that then you must have a very primitive understanding of football.

jaxbuckeye's picture

Primitive understanding?  I know what I see.  So what if they have a lot of sacks.  The defensive line rarely gets to the QB on thier own.  Hell, they made a decimated Michigan line look like all Big Ten.  The defensive line is probably the most overrated part of the team.  We already know the defensive backfield and every LB not named Shazier sucks.

misterpants's picture

tOSU rushed three for a big chunk of the UM game. The defensive line is young, and has shown consistent improvement over the course of the season.
Ohio State has a young defense, and will be better next year. The only seniors on the Ohio State depth chart tonight were C.J. Barnett and Pittsburgh Brown.

D-Day0043's picture

Think about this. The defensive line is the only solid unit on the defense, and Fickle decides to remove one of them and only rush 3. We have had two interceptions all year rushing three and dropping 8 and we have given up a million yards. When your DB's can't cover, your only hope is to disrupt. That means bring pressure and you are not going to get pressure on a QB with 3 D-lineman rushing against 5 offensive lineman. It is simple numbers.

I am D-Day0043 and I approve this message.

ticodillo's picture

We have good players, but they are not being well coached. We were running on the D-lines talent and will. I say keep Vrabel but can everyone else, there needs to be a culture/paradigm/attitude shift on defense. 

BeijingBucks's picture

Actually if you imagine this D line was supposed to be our weakness on D with all underclassmen... I'm stoked for next year!  BosA
is a TRUE freshman!  And the rest at best sophomores... MSU wasn't talented so much as experienced. This unit had played together for a while and had the right kind of coaching. 
Everyone loses eventually no need to start torching couches on high street just yet. 
Very curious about changes though in the OFF season. 

 

 

None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. ~ John Milton

ToledoBuckeye's picture

Adolphus Washington play Defensive Tackles is a move that makes sense!  He plays better at DT than he does DE!

"Anything easy ain't worth a damn." - Woody Hayes
 

AkronBuckeye13's picture

The D-line got pressure and stopped the run pretty effectively. The D-line can get all the pressure in the world but if there are wide open receivers due to an awful secondary it won't matter.

officeroso's picture

Yes we do have a lot of delusional fans in ohio, wait till they start the four team playoff.......... ouch,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, we better recruit speed

BuckNutInAnnArbor's picture

The whole staff?  A bit extreme.  LF, yes.  Soft zone calls and rarely blitzes has driven everyone (mostly fan base) crazy.  Coombs, not sure.  We all love his enthusiasm, but some simple mistakes by the CB's we've seen this season really bite the team in the @ss, but again, we all love his energy.  We as a fan-base (outsiders, at least me) do not really know the extent of Withers and his involvement in the play-calling, maybe for better or worse.  Vrable HAS to stay because of his recruiting and coaching abilities. 
Although LF took one for the team, it shouldn't play a factor in the judgment/review of his current position with the team. Don't try and tell us that the performance against Indiana was superb and wonderful. By that argument, who has a better O, MSU or Indiana? The same issues and mistakes (not with the kids, the play-calling) are being made from September of 2012 to December of 2013. 
I know that we as a fan-base should not be complaining about things such as this. Going 24-1 is no effing joke. It takes a lot of talent on the field, talent in coaching, general preparation and luck.  However, everyone is walking away tonight feeling hollow and empty because what many (I will admit, I was in denial and thought the Band-Aid on a gash wound was fine due to the O) thought was "writing on the wall" wasn't corrected - even this blog had a poll about what the D could ultimately lead to...  I voted "it could lead us to trouble" or whatever the answer was. 
Let's take a night/case of beers to pout and tomorrow we'll all get over it and move on to make a statement in whatever bowl game our beloved Buckeyes end up in.  They are 18-23 year old young-men, they need nothing but our (family, friends, alumni, fans, etc.) positive support. 
Go Buckeyes!

"...but then again 'Michigan' and 'huge mistake' are synonymous so that shouldn't have been much of a surprise to anybody."  - Mark Titus

avail31678's picture

Bound to happen eventually.   Gimme a BCS bowl and lets win it.  
 
Disappointed with the offensive play calling.  UM and MSU pass and mix it up, why can't we?  
Still love our boys.  But coaching has to improve somewhere.  Not sure where.
 
i am drunk.

Dr. House's picture

you know it doesn't bother me that we lost to sparty they are an outstanding team with a hell of a defense what bothers me is coming home and seeing the anti ohio state bullshit from people that just eat what ever shit espn tells them to like. like this one guy who likes the boston red sox,  and is suddenly a tiger fan after ball washing the tide last year. he's what i would like to think espn has the wettest of wet dreams about.
 
well alright guys im going to bed to sleep this damn loss off. im sure we will have knee jerk reaction threads through out the weekend. enjoy your day of football tomorrow and be safe.

GoBucks10's picture

Don't forget:  743 days, and Michigan still sucks!

"Because I couldn't go for three."  - Woody Hayes

ticodillo's picture

Good run dear Bucks! It was fun to dream and choose not to hear the "obvious" death knell that was was our defense.  This loss was a mind loss, we are obviously more talented but the way we have made use of the resources that we have in our talented players, the mental lapses and sketchy-at-best coaching on both sides of the ball today finally did us in. 
Let's find a solution for that defense and rebuild our O-line. The future is bright Buckeyes! Let's learn from our mistakes and beat the shit out of the Big Ten next year.

BuckeyeChief's picture

This sucks so bad, I got Bama fans trying to cheer me up.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

GoBucks10's picture

Better than them rubbing it in.

"Because I couldn't go for three."  - Woody Hayes

vitaminB's picture

Same here, man.  I also have SEC fans chomping at the bit for number 8.

shocker45886's picture

It was stopping the pass that OSU could not do plain and simple. the routes or receivers were not that great, so i really don't understand why the huge struggles. can some of the newbies play? (Vonn Bell maybe) Brown and Barnett were getting burned all night....end rant

justanotherbuckeye22's picture

Really had  a hard time understanding  Herman's  play calling when miller is in open backfield you  no he  going to   run it no brainer
no hall or  Wilson in offense
then  the  defensive backs who teaches  these backs  anyway?
3rd down  grant made that mistake,new  what kind of night it  was  going to be.
Can't  wait till next  year all that speed in the   wide  receivers  who can catch the ball
Really  can't  wait.
Thought  you  win toss  you take  ball score  first .
Congrats   to the  buckeyes  24-0 and they beat  *ichigan

BuckNutInAnnArbor's picture

The order is Orange, Sugar, Fiesta.  Orange could be vs. Clemson, Sugar vs. Mizzou or Fiesta vs. Baylor.  I would prefer Mizzou or Clemson.

"...but then again 'Michigan' and 'huge mistake' are synonymous so that shouldn't have been much of a surprise to anybody."  - Mark Titus

I_Run_The_Dave's picture

The orange bowl gets to pick 2 at-large teams and if they do not pick Alabama and Ohio State, I would be shocked. Alabama was already higher ranked than Mizzou and will likely be #3 tomorrow, not to mention the cash cow that would be for them from both fan bases... and I like the matchup. Same offense as sparty, but with less defense and I think we get it done.

rdubs's picture

Sugar won't be Mizzou it would be Bama.

Orlando Buckeye's picture

Hats off to MSU. They were the number 1 defense and they stopped us when it counted.
Let's hope Shazier and Miller decide to keep the band together and we can improve the secondary next season.
Still one game to play Buckeye fans. Let's look forward to our bowl and put our bowl practices to good effect.

dja.ohio's picture

It was a good run. Expected better showings out of the defense this year. Had shots to win against Sparty. Not sure if it was play calling or execution on offense, but either way, it didn't work when it was needed.  Sparty D gave up chunks of running yardage; our D gave up chunks of passing yards.  Disappointed to lose, but wasn't really looking forward to a potential flop in the BCS.

teddyballgame's picture

There is a lot of complain about from that game, but did you guys see Bosa out there?  He played fantastic I thought.  We're lucky to have him for many more years.

officeroso's picture

if he continues to get better............. one more year

Statutoryglory's picture

You have to be 3 years out of high school to go pro so unless he sues someone we have him two more

Rizzoni's picture

MSU consumed half a quarter on the first drive. This is not an OSU D. I hope Urban can fix it somehow.

misterpants's picture

The frustration with the D is natural, but please remember that there were only two seniors on the defensive depth chart tonight (http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/osu/graphics/pdf/m-footbl/2013-two-deep.pdf). A lot of what we were seeing was first and second-year players playing like first and second-year players. 

SOF_Buckeye's picture

Yes, but remember, the weakness of this D was supposed to be the Line and linebackers, with the secondary as the strength. Didn't quite turn out that way.

"The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender." Woody Hayes

allbucksallthetime's picture

Congratulations to Sparty.  When it counted most, they stepped up and took control of the game.
I am very proud of this Buckeye team for the accomplishments in the last two years.  What a ride it has been to be a fan these last 24 games!      
Like many, I am very disappointed with tonight's outcome.  The "O" did not seem to develop in the second half of the year as I had hoped.  The 3rd and 4th down calls with about 6 minutes to go were very poorly thought out and executed.  As many have asked here already, where was Carlos Hyde in those situations???
Dantonio again proved why we Buckeye fans hold him in such high regard.  Go Bucks!
 

Urbstache's picture

I'm tired of learning life lessons from Buckeye losses. Yea it's just a game. Sun will rise tomorrow. Address our weaknesses, get 'em next time, rabblerabblerabble. I would love to be a mindless zombie that gets to eat, sleep, and breathe Big Ten and National Championships.
Sigh. Someday soon.
Gotta get a D that isn't fit for the MAC.

Urban Warfare

Oakland Buckeye's picture

Fickell resume update.... Now can add "out coached by a walrus" ... Should've  jumped on the FIU job..

ULuvLucy's picture

Ahahaha, if I could give out leaves for this, I would.
Someone hold me. *weeps*

BrutusBlock O

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Too sad to make perv joke. ;_; 

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Seabass1974's picture

Quite simply, we need a better defense and we need to have more than the same 3 plays on offense. Seems like a simple fix and I am excited for our future.

The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender. - Woody Hayes

Baroclinicity's picture

I'm not the "Fire _______!!" guy.  I don't know if they should go or which one deserves the most blame.
I'm just not used to the defense being the weakness on the team.  I kinda don't like it.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

lamplighter's picture

Worst secondary since 1981 - the year Earle fired Saban.  Still can't believe that Vonn Bell couldn't beat out Pitt Brown
 

vitaminB's picture

I'm not putting this game on him, but he is not the caliber of player we need in the secondary.  He's not good in coverage, and he can't make a tackle.  I'm sure he's  a fine young man, I'm just glad he's graduating.

SGTBuckeye83's picture

I think there is some loyalty going on with some guys. Every time Roby goes down and I see Built-like-a-safety-and-slow Armani Reeves in I know where the next passing touchdown for the opposition will be thrown. I definitely think there are guys who are better that aren't getting to play.

Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction.

Rjpfish2's picture

Why would their be better guys who don't play? Do you think URB enjoys seeing DB's get torched? It certainly seems like some of the underclassmen would do a better job, but I'm sure there is a reason other than loyalty that they aren't playing. If the freshmen could play at full speed, they would've seen the field early like Schutt ,Bosa, and Wilson.

BuckGuy003's picture

This sucks :(
hate the overrated talk that's everywhere...we NEED to play better teams so this doesn't happens when we play a hard team.

ScarletNGrey01's picture

The bucks and the rest of the qualifying teams in the B1G need to prep well and win their bowl games.  Hopefully Braxton will come back for his senior season and have a Heisman type of season and we'll make it to the playoffs.  We have no idea how the bucks would have done in the B1G Championship or a bowl game in 2012, so considering where we were in 2011 we've come a long way.  If MSU wins the Rose Bowl and the bucks beat a quality opponent in their bowl game recruiting should still be fine and a bright future.  Despite Urban's great success in his career, he has not been coaching as long as some of the older guys out there, this should be a learning experience for him, incorporate a little more diversity in the big games.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

bigbadbuck's picture

First off Congrats to Sparty. Secondly How many time do you run Braxton from an empty set on third down and get denied before you figure out its not working? Why did we get away from what was working? Im sure the $EC is looking at us once again as pretenders and you know what? At this point thats all we are.

JLP36's picture

F*** the empty set!!!  Why would you not have Carlos Hyde and Braxton Miller in you backfield together???  If I am on defense I love Carlos Hyde lining up outside the numbers!  Gives me a lot less to worry about.   

JLP36

Turban Meyer's picture

Utter lack of creativity on offense.
 

73buckeye's picture

Aside from the poor secondary, the lack of offensive creativity is probably the most disappointing part of this season. Seems silly that this could be the case with a team regularly getting as many yards and points as the Bucks, but it's pretty obvious. The Brax / Hyde / throw it deep offense became so predictable but still worked most of the time because the talent was good. But in a situation where the defense is good too, a little diversity is necessary. A short to intermediate passing game involving the tight ends and backs out of the backfield, some misdirection and screen passes, a draw play occasionally, and Brax under center once in a while would give some other options that the defense needs to cover. And you don't need to be a MENSA to figure it out.  

ernie

I_Run_The_Dave's picture

There were plenty of mistakes on defense, but Connor Cook put the ball where his receivers could make a play all night. Hard to stop a QB who can do that, and then we start leaving guys open.

The Sparty defense was as advertised, but I can't beleive how we abandoned the pass once they started selling out against the run in the 4th. And I agree with the above... put the rock in Hyde's hands on 3rd/4th and short!! Either that, or some misdirection/screens since those worked so well against us...

OSUPhilosopherAndHomer's picture

This stings. Losing always stings. But I, just like you all, am very proud of this team and what they have accomplished. Some may say I'm just a fan. Some may say I have no right to refer to my team as "we" or "us. " Well I don't know how big of a part of this team I am, but I can say with full honesty that this team and The Ohio State Buckeyes and the great university for which they stand are an enormous part of me. When tragedy befalls the Buckeyes, it hurts as if it were my own child. We fans rally behind this team. This team is what we stand for. We gather together and contend against other fan bases who are equally as ravenous. We love our team and will stick with them always. And because of this, I feel that I along with all of us have the right to refer to The Ohio State Buckeyes as "we" or "us." Because they are part of me and I can only hope that I am a part of them. Luckily for me, I was born a buckeye. I was born into the largest fan base there is and into a place where I know I belong. As a lone fan, there is not much that I can do. All I can do is keep on keepin' on, keep rooting for my team through all. Keep yelling my damn head off just like my dad used to and just like my grandpa used to, as far as I know. I am a Buckeye, and I am damn lucky and damn proud. This has been a great season, and it is as great a time as ever to be a buckeye. Sorry about my pointless rant I referred to us as "we" at a bar and some man told me I couldn't do that which sparked this whole thing. Perk up guys, we could be _ichigan! Good night and Go Bucks!

“This is America! And in America, if something sucks, you're supposed to be able to get your money back!”
-Stan

andretolstoy's picture

This was a game that I can't really blame on the Defense. Braxton was really off on his throws again and it looked like Hermann didn't want to give up an interception so he got conservative in inopportune times. That really messed up our rhythm. Also, it's funny. Hermann rocked MSU's world with the TE pass to end the half and then we never saw another one of those again. Was MSU's adjustment that overwhelming?
You could tie me up and tie electric shock wires on my fingers, and then water board me, but I will never admit to the none sense that Fickell is the problem to this team. I have seen coaching errors from all sides. Big ones to boot. And I still cannot believe we have a Coach who has only coached for 2 or 3 years at the college level. And at Cincinnati at that! What? I'm supposed to really like and give Coombs a pass because he's entertaining and screams a lot? The backfield was like a bunch of high schoolers this year. And we're not talking about 1 or 2 star recruits. I'm sorry, but that is NOT Fickell's fault! And the DB's were the main culprits this year, along with a weak LB core except for Shazier. But then again, Coombs is a HS Coach and our DB's are playing HS ball. But if I were Fick, I'd pack my shit and let Coombs take over perhaps his youtube shots with incessant ranting will bring this Defense to life.
So. I'm not a big fan of loud mouths (coaches and fans), I'm tired of one liners, I'm tired of our writers calling Bollman a "walrus" because you know what? As of this evening, he owns us! 
I am proud of the effort and hard work these boys put in - but it seems like the adults have no heart.  

Mi.Buckeye's picture

What do you expect when you can put together 4 complete quarters. Penalties at the beginning of the game killed it. That was a hell of a run and a fun season, too bad the outcome couldn't have been different.
Orange Bowl?

BuckeyeNation's picture

Surprisingly, I'm not as upset as I thought I would be. However, I find it a little ironic that the BCS era for the Buckeyes ends the same way it started... a loss to Sparty (1998 & 2013) to end our perfect season and knock us out of the Championship game. Not only would we have played Florida State in both of those years but we also allowed a sec team to sneak in at the last minute... ugh, smh!
With that said, I blame this loss on the coaches, Urban as well. IMO, they got a little complacent and predictable with the play calling. But it is what it is. Congrats to Mark Dantonio & Michigan State on a great season. Go to the Rose Bowl and represent the B1G gentleman and kick the crap out of Stanford!
Go Bucks!!

3cent's picture

We would have played Tennessee in 1998. Fsu took the spot we should of had.

Lincoln's picture

I love you guys. Just felt like I should say that 

Defiance J's picture

I am familiar w this stage of intoxication. I kid.

Lincoln's picture

Better to hug it out than fight it out! Haha

Defiance J's picture

Unless whiskey has been involved. 

Buckeyeholicwompa's picture

Should we Buckeye fans be worried if Urban checks himself into a Columbus hospital in the wee hours of Sunday morning??

Buckeyeholicwompa's picture

Lighten up over the comment. We all know Urb played sick because he let everything get to him and didn't spend enough time with family. He'll be fine, we'll be fine, and tomorrow is another day. Go Bucks!

Gametime's picture

We need to point out the obvious:
Tom Herman probably called his worst game since he's been here. I can't help but feel jealous to have a supposed offensive genius at OC that when our base runs & long passes don't work, our offense simply has to be more than "Give it to Braxton". 
Our WR routes are very, very vanilla. No double moves, no crossing routes, no option-routes, no rubs, just nothing but simple go routes, digs, screens, and comebacks. Unfortunately our guys couldn't come up with the tough catches tonight, but I need to know why we don't seem to have a consistent short passing game, why our TEs are under-utilized (even though every time they catch the ball it seems to be a critical play), why Dontre Wilson didn't touch the ball, and what exactly happened to the rest of the playbook???
Defensively, Withers coaches the safeties which played very shoddy overall. We sorely missed Christian Bryant. I'm glad Barnett came up with a INT, but he also gave up two TDs. Pitt Brown got burned again (IDK WHY we didn't get let Vonn Bell get reps instead) and overall, better tackling, but we seemed to revert to poor habits once the game was in doubt. Our D was definitely gassed.
Overall, that was a team loss. The coaches didn't call a good game offensively or defensively. The Offense couldn't overcome the early hole the poor pass D dug us into. Definitely our worst game all season IMO.
As far as a bowl game goes, I don't want to see this pass defense against any teams in the BCS, not Clemson, Alabama, Mizzou, Baylor, Oregon, or any of them. I'm sorely disappointed.

...I too dream in color and in rhyme
So I guess I'm one of a kind in a full house
Cause whenever I open my heart, my soul or my mouth
A touch of God rains out...

BuckeyeStrong2's picture

Vonn Bell for sure. Pitt has done NOTHING but get torched ever since Bryant went down. Anyone that doesnt believe me can re-watch the tapes.

SOF_Buckeye's picture

Cam Burrows also should have seen some time. 
The play calling (empty set backfield = always Brax run, no mid range passing game, no alternative to the Big 2, not feeding Hyde enough-especially once we took the lead), as well as our pass defense. The overall scheme in our defense is disjointed and ineffective.
I love my Buckeyes, but watching this defense, in particular the pass defense, not only this year, but over the past 2+ years has been painful at best. It looks more coaching oriented than lack of talent. 
It hurts knowing better play calling could have won the game; but if that happened, the what if due to our defense in the next game (FSU?) may have been even worse.

"The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender." Woody Hayes

JFKBuckeye's picture

I haven't said anything about play calling all year because we've done nothing but win, but Tom Herman has not impressed me at all. Very unimaginative and predictable

poop's picture

He doesn't need to be honestly. We have rode Hyde all season and we, for whatever reason, went away from our strength and tried to force Braxton into winning the game with his arm. Never going to happen against an elite defense.

SOF_Buckeye's picture

Agreed. I look at other teams/offenses; with freshman and other new players, and the play book seems to be wide open. We've reverted to a condensed set of plays, and when needing to open it up, we weren't able to. Also, if the play calling would have included a higher content of Hyde once we took the lead, it may still have been enough.

"The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender." Woody Hayes

FLAMikey's picture

Our DB's looked like they are coached by a HS coach.....oh, wait....they are.

matti's picture

first vent thread in about two years so that's good bad that we even need a vent thread after this game. when you stumble and make bad plays on both sides of the ball it comes down to one play, and i am not talking about the 4th down play the 3rd down play was the one that they needed. on the bright side urban get to focus his team for 2014 and is probably gonna get what he wants a very angry team with an edge

MDBUCK's picture

I have never been on this bandwagon before, but something has to change with the defense.  We have top 5 recruiting classes every year, so it's not the talent.  I agree with everyone that Herman called a head scratching game, but can you seriously overlook giving up 34 points to Sparty? 41 to a HORRIBLE Michigan offense?  OSU has traditionally been a strong defensive team, and this crew is just not getting it done.  I love what Vrabel has done on the D line, but aside from that, I would be shocked if changes aren't made.

jaxbuckeye's picture

That's the problem.  This defense has consistently made terrible offenses look like All Big Ten teams.  The entire staff needs to be purged.

jaxbuckeye's picture

This defense has made every crappy offense look like world beaters.  What a joke.

JLP36's picture

I thought we were too clever for our own good on offense.  I don't care who are are playing, I want Carlos Friggin Hyde lined up in the backfield not out wide.  Feed the beast and make them stop it.  If they do, then try other things.
None of the above matters because championships are won with defense and we don't have a championship caliber defense.  Our defense is mediocre.  The Michigan game was a vomit flavored victory disguised with a shot of Auburn beating Bama.

JLP36

Turban Meyer's picture

i learned everything I needed to know about Luke Fickell in that game at Miami when he pocketed his timeouts and spent the second half wandering around the sideline with abject fear in his eyes. 

andretolstoy's picture

Sort of ironic with our two point conversion win last week. Meyer said he called the 4 and 2 play. Dantonio responded that he knew that Braxton was going to have the ball.
The way I see it: Hermann, Fickell, Vrabel, and the Oline coach need to stay. If we don't have a QB coach, we need to employ one.
Also, I'm tired of this patty-cake cadence crap. We need a QB that barks.
Bottom line: Some how, somewhere, someone sold us on the narrative that we were ready. We'll we're not ready. We won a bunch of games on sheer talent. I would say we need, at least, two more years before THEOSate is where Alabama is right now.

Turban Meyer's picture

Everyone knew Braxton would have the ball.
I miss Heart Attack Urban. 

741's picture

Tom Herman must have missed his MENSA meeting this month. (I keed.)

ScarletGray43157's picture

It was a fun ride.  Time to start a new streak.  

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Dantonio said after the game that yeah, we knew Miller was keeping on fourth down. And if the opposition knows what's coming, and you've got two pretty evenly matched teams (because if Purdue know what you're doing on fourth-and-2, what difference does it make), that's basically the definition of bad coaching. 
Urban has done great things here. But this was not a good game for him, nor for anyone else on our sideline. And since we had better talent than MSU, and since we didn't turn the ball over, coaching is where we have to look to explain this result. 
 

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

ibuck's picture

Better talent does not help if they lack toughness and the WILL to play for 60 minutes. Not sure the Buckeyes know the difference between bravado (trash-talking, attitude) and actual toughness.

Our honor defend, we will fight to the end !

If you can't win your conference, just quietly accept your non-playoff bowl game.

johnblairgobucks's picture

Until we develop Linebackers who can get off blocks and control the line of scrimmage and are also capable of covering their man in pass defense, the defense will continue to struggle. 
Unless it's a called blitz, the linebackers don't have the skill to fight off blocks and make a tackle within 4 yards of the LOS, also they struggle with covering a screen pass and curls in their area when playing zone. 
The Linebackers have struggled for 2 years now, except Shazier, who makes up a lot with shear determination and desire.  Whoever coaches the linebackers needs to have his position reviewed by Meyer.
Things I wish didn't happen tonight?  Well:
Braxton pre determining his reads on the zone read options.
The non use of Wilson in the offense
WR Spencer and DE Spence being on the All Milk Carton Team
ehhh, but who am I? just some dude in Northwest Ohio.
That about wraps it up, losing sucks.  Go Bucks!
 
 

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Horrible offensive playcalling, horrible pass D, too many dumb mistakes and penalties.  And the narrative continues.  It's not like this team wasn't good enough to beat MSU.  Up 24-17 in the 3rd quarter, it looked like they were ready to take off.  They were plenty capable - they just didn't make it happen.  The mistakes and penalties finally caught up to them. 
You can't spot teams 17-0 leads. 
You can't be so predictable calling plays against that good of a defense.  Sad thing is that there were many things that did work against that D.  I don't know why in the world this offense went into a predictable shell of what they could be.  Huge opportunity after the blocked punt, but again, terrible playcalling.  I don't mind the shots downfield so much - it's really the 3rd and 4th down playcalls that were terrible.  Everyone in the stadium knew a QB draw was coming, and of course it did, and of course it didn't work because they knew it was coming. 
You can't get that lost on defense.  The defense did actually look good at times, but this soft coverage a) is a shitty scheme, and b) isn't getting executed anyway.  The point of soft coverage is to not give up big plays...but they gave them up anyway.  Too many interference penalties, missed assignments, and all-around confusion.  I'm not sure what they worked on in practice this week, because they only looked marginally better tonight.
It really is hard to go undefeated for 2 straight seasons, and we found that out tonight.  Asking a team to win 25 in a row is a lot to ask.  And being in a long winning streak, I think there were issues that the coaches really didn't address as much as they should have because "hey, we're undefeated".  I mean, just look at Fickell last week after the embarrassing defensive performance against TTUN.  "Did we win?  Did we win?"  That seems even more telling to me now than it was before.  Now that the first loss is out of the way...no more curtains to hide behind. 
Overall, this team probably wasn't really ready to play in the title game quite yet.  Should still get a BCS bowl, and if the Buckeyes can win that, they can set themselves up well for next year.  There are some asses that need fires lit under them, if they aren't let go (looking at Coombs, Withers, Fickell, whoever is responsible for the aspects of the defense that failed tonight...even Herman and that playcalling, though that hasn't been an issue as consistently...and of course, the players, they still have to execute, as much as you want to blame the coaches). 
 
 
 

Class of 2010.

Buckeyeholicwompa's picture

What the hell is with Auburn TPing the hell out of everything on Toomers Corner?? Oh and BTW.....you're welcome Aurburn.
 

Jeeves's picture

Fucking red neck assholes can all just fuck right off. I hope they lose by 60 but doubt they will.

poop's picture

8 in a row for the SEC. We blew it.

k9junior2430's picture

"Five players on the floor functioning as one single unit: team, team, team
- no one more important than the other." -  Coach Norman Dale

Larryp713's picture

Great game by Sparty. I have nothing but pride for the Buckeyes... they competed and fell short. Sometimes, when you play another good team, the breaks go their way.

Respectfully,

Larryp713

FROMTHE18's picture

Defense was what it has been. Offense was very poorly called by Herman IMO (um, Hyde, just give him the damn ball). We didnt play a sound game, and it cost us. Michigan State deserved the win for playing a consistent game, we played poorly. World keeps spinnin and now we probably face Clemson. Sammy Watkins must be licking his chops. Doran Grant, woof. Missed tackles all over the place and our WRs dropped the few catchable balls thrown their way. Still, 24-1...not too shabby.

cinserious's picture

I feel we take Clemson even with a busted defense.

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mtgerken's picture

Is it just me or is it time to get rid of Fickell? We have kept him up to this point because of courtesy, yeah he pulled the team admirably through a very hard time, but does that really justify his defensive play recently? The only solid wins (ranked opponent wins) we have won by our offensive play. Obviously the talent is there.... Bosa, Spence, Washington, Powell, and many more are great young athletes but to give up 34 to a team that put 14 on Purdon't isn't exceptable and thats coaching. The silver bullets haven't been playing in the past 2 years like the silver bullets of the past. Wherever you are Heacock, please come back to the university you turned into a defensive beast! How did we win our latest National Championship? Defense.

"Because I couldn't go for three!"

 

collisionbend's picture

I can think of a number of points which I can use in a rebuttal to this, but once I read "exceptable," I decided that I didn't need to rebut anything at all.

"There's a fine line between perception and reality." -- Luke Fickell

 
andretolstoy's picture

And there are odd balls taking photographs of Urban eating pizza after the game. Dudes. Get a life. It's just a game.

Whoa Nellie's picture

Kept waiting for the offense to make use of the middle of the field on pass plays.  Seemed like those quick outs and bubble screens played to Sparty's strength.
On defense, pressure on the young QB might have been enough to carry the day.
New streak starts New Years Day!

“Don’t fear criticism. The stands are full of critics. They play no ball. They fight no fights. They make no mistakes because they attempt nothing. Down on the field are the doers, they make mistakes because they attempt many things.”

45has2's picture

What is the weakest part of the defense? It's the secondary. The D line made improvements each week with a very young crew. Even the linebacker play improved with injury and lack of depth. If Urban really needs someone to bully the kickers during warm ups, I'm sure he could get a local high school coach to come in once or twice a week and do it for free. The DB's have poor technique, poor tackling and poor positioning. That is not a scheme problem, it's a coaching problem. Who coaches the DB's? Withers and Coombs. Give those two a couple of weeks and they could turn Richard Sherman into an ineffectual POS. Every opposing coach saw it, the rest of the nation sees it. The Buckeye secondary would make Joe Bauserman look like an all conference QB.

"I don't like nice people. I like tough, honest people." -W.W. Hayes

poop's picture

I can accept losing to Sparty this year since they have a legitimate wrecking ball of a defense. However, our defense secondary resembles a paper bag full of dog shiat that was too wet to light on fire. FSU could have left all of their running backs and all of the defense at home and still embarrassed us.

Tropicalbuckeye's picture

I'll be honest.  After Michigan put up 41 on our Bucks, I kind of expected maybe not this exact outcome, but a loss either here or, if not here, the championship game.  Right now, this just isn't the kind of defense that wins championships.  Glad the Bucks got here, the defense absolutely must improve.  I don't care who went down.  Next man up, train 'em up.  I don't care about what flavor of the week is giving the defense fits, because everything has seemed to give this defense fits.  No more excuses.
 
I'm not saying we shouldn't be glad the Buckeyes did as well as they did this season.  It's been a good season, fun to watch, yeah.  But I'll also say we shouldn't make more excuses for the defense.  It absolutely has to improve.  Getting to the B1G championship is great, yeah.  But as long as we keep in mind to be all-weather fans, I don't think asking for our team to figure out how to contend for titles every year and legitimately try to reach that point is too much to ask.

Buckeyeholicwompa's picture

I hope he's got garlic butter with that!!

teddyballgame's picture

Is that Papa Johns?

He's punishing himself...
 

Buckeyeholicwompa's picture

No kidding. I like Papa John's sometimes but it does send my stomach into shambles at times.

Turban Meyer's picture

This might be the saddest moment of the night.
 
 

Cdrone92's picture

No, that moment came in his bus bathroom on the Indiana-Ohio Border. Papa's in the house.
 
/endmuchneededcomicrelief

USMC11917's picture

I don't know why I keep clicking on this site tonight. I keep wanting to see some answers from Meyer. I want to hear his take on the game and what he plans on doing to fix it. I am a true fan but I am so sick right now. I give a lot of credit to MSU, but damn. We score 24 points straight and then start playing not to lose. Anything over 21 and it's our defenses responsibility to win the game. I hate feeling like we need to score on every single because our defense isn't dependable. Line looks great. Bosa is a real man. Linebackers seem to have played relatively decent tonight but damn that secondary to hell. 

xrox's picture

I don't care about beating a good team in a bowl. Give me UCF. I want blood.

seafus26's picture

Per person their fans were louder and hungrier than ours. I tried my ass off to get people of their butts on even meaningful downs. I was disappointed not to see the WR screens this again this week and no shuttle passes or much of those sorts with pre snap motion. I really felt 40 and 91 leaning across the ball as Braxton called the play being singled to him to his linemen, those two would immediately start spreading whatever they just heard after Braxton told line and the started telling his skill set players. Do I think they know all our vonacular and calls, no. But I think they knew enough from the calls to know run or pass, killing play action game even tho we were running ball well

Go Bucks and michigan STILL SUCKS!

andretolstoy's picture

Well it's obvious. Every single time Brax was alone in the backfield, he took off with the ball. This is why I'm not buying into it's entirely the Defense' fault for being up and down this year. At times, our offense is just Tressel ball with a little flair.
That ain't going to cut it.

Klingenator's picture

*Tresselball without a lead blocker.

igo43's picture

It's been said innumerable times: "Defense wins championships."
That's exactly what took place tonight. Sparty has a defense and kept OSU to 24 points, and the Buckeye defense allowed 34. Defenses can't continue to allow 30+ points on the board every game and expect to win each one of them.
That being said, let's get an SEC team to play in the bowl and GO BUCKS.

"The minute I think I'm getting mellow, I'm retiring. Who ever heard of a mellow winner?" - WWH

2morrow's picture

Disagree- Hyde and Miller were basically running wild. That Hyde got only 18 carries is plain bad play calling. MSU had no answer for him - from the first play of the game. He was averaging close to 6 yards a carry. When we need to get 4 yards with two downs to go in the 4th quarter, Hyde wasn't even on the field for third down, and then blocked on 4th down. I spent most of the game yelling GIVE THE BALL TO HYDE at the TV. Our defense - if you can believe it - was an improvement over the um game. Our offensive play calling was horrible.

GOOMBAY's picture

Kicked in balls. Nothing more, nothing less.
Tomorrow: Win the day, but mostly punch people in the nose. Hard. Nothing more, nothing less.

osubuckeye4life's picture

I just have to say thank god it didn't come last week. Sparty played their asses off and didn't have a 'Sparty No!!!!!' moment, hats off to them. I hope they shut down Stanford and give the B1G a win in the Rose Bowl. I'm not sure how I feel potentially facing Clemson or Bama with that secondary. Clemson would absolutely torch our secondary and probably same thing with Bama. 
 
I think coach Redbull is done after this season. 
Go bucks it's time to pick your bodies off the canvas and prepare for another test in January and start a new streak!!!
 

seafus26's picture

Big Ten Championship in Mexico next year, please!!'

Go Bucks and michigan STILL SUCKS!

k9junior2430's picture

Cooper could recruit but couldn't coach, Tressel could coach but couldn't recruit, Meyer does both well. Remember he's still playing a lot of Tressel & Fickell's recruits...plus Fickell was only kept on the staff as a mercy for taking over after the Tattoo scandal. He couldn't head coach & cant D coach, time to let him go or reduce his role again. I said when Meyer took over, give him 3 years and he'll have tOSU as legit title contenders. He's 24-1 in his first 2 years, in other words it's like playing with house money and scary that he made them that good that soon.... remember we're not far removed from being 6-7

So relax Buckeye Nation and remain calm...yes we should have beat the other team from up North, but like the other guy said on here, we'd get drilled by FSU, Auburn, Alabama this year...hell with our D, Clemson scares me. Hope to God that we don't play Baylor or Oregon, they'd both put 80 on us

"Five players on the floor functioning as one single unit: team, team, team
- no one more important than the other." -  Coach Norman Dale

cinserious's picture

I hate to say it but Michigan State didn't get lucky or capitalize on Buckeye 'mistakes' but MSU is the better coached team with more sound football players. If we played them ten times, we'd be lucky to win half the games. Tonight proved that exceptional defense vs a high powered offense is greater than mediocre defense vs mediocre offense.

Life's daily struggle is choosing between saying F--ck-it, or soldiering on with your responsibilities.  

dmiller2345's picture

I for one was very disappointed in the way we played on both sides of the ball; especially, the play calling in the 4th quarter... RUN HYDE!!!
Our receivers, outside of the secondary, were the most disappointing unit of the day I thought. I can remember at least three drops, there might be more but I remember 3 very clearly, that cost us points or first downs. We need a big physical receiver who can go get us that catch when we need it and hopefully that receiver is Jeff Green.
 
Lastly, I thought our TE's would feast in the second half... and without any proof to back this claim up IF (lol) they would have kept smashing the middle with Hyde our TE's and slot receiver would have come up large and we would have won.
 
Again, I have to wonder if it is not a lack of talent, but rather a scheme issue with our defense.

"I've got to coach a few of them and I want an angry team, I want a pissed off football team." - Urban F. Meyer

2morrow's picture

Unfortunately the defense was an improvement over the um game. MSU's first drive, two really stupid pass interference penalties against Grant and Shazier let MSU score and gave them some confidence. We finally start playing OSU ball and go up 24-17. Then inexplicably we pretty much ignore Hyde and run with an empty backfield, everyone knowing that BM is running. We don't get a score on a blocked punt or an interception deep in MSU territory. Next to last drive when the stop us on 4th down, 3rd down play, Hyde is out of the game an BM ran something and is stopped, and then on 4th down, we run BM and have Hyde block.
 
MSU had NO answer for Hyde from the first play. We gave him the ball, he gained 7 yards and then I don't even remember what plays we called.
Hyde should have had 30-35 carries and he should have been used more - not less - after we wen up 24-17. He ended the game with 18 carries.
I said against um, that was on UFM - even though we won - for not demanding better defensive adjustments. This one to for not telling the OC - give Hyde the ball until they stop him. The could have easily gone up 27-17 or 34-17 early in the 4th and game over.
Really disappointing. We need better secondary, especially better linebackers, and better coaching.

smartfootballrankings's picture

They were stopping Hyde plenty once they realized that's all they had to stop.
Hyde Carries by length and Q
1st Q - 6, 2, 5, 9
2nd Q - 2, 2, 3, 8
3rd Q- 18, 6, 3, 11, 10, 8, 12, 6
4th Q- 4, 3
 
Certainly Hyde needs to be a big part of the offense, but you can't just give it to him constantly and expect it to always work.  Especially on obvious situations where they know he is coming up the middle.  MSU too good to let that happen.  They need to be spread out and threatened downfield for Hyde to be able to get solid yards.
Notice he is pretty much neutralized in the first half.  2 big runs, 2 decent runs, and 4 crap runs.  Against MSU, who won't let a big run through, you are eventually going to have to punt with that kind of yardage.  This is typical Silver Bullet D, bend but do not break.  Eventually he gets stuffed and it's 3rd and long.  You have to keep getting consistent yardage, and MSU defense is too strong to not get a good stop once or twice a series.
So what happened in the 3rd Q that made him look a lot better?  Let's look at the play before a Hyde big run.
18 yards - play before was incomplete pass to Heuerman.
11 yards -  1st play of drive, but previous drive had Brax pass and Brax run for TD.
10 yards - 1st play of drive, previous drive had 2 passes and a Brax scramble.
8 yards - Hall Rush for 13 yards
12 yards - Pass to Philly
You have to set Hyde up for success.  If you cannot get any other offense going, Hyde isn't going to be that productive against a good defense like MSU.  If you can, and they need to play the whole field, Hyde can have a decent game.  It's even harder when you are also playing from behind, where huge clock-eating drives are your enemy, and a punt after a long drive is disastrous.
Hyde ran on 18 out of 63 plays.  Brax ran on 20 (a few were pass plays that he ran on), and there were 25 pass attempts or sacks.
Seems to me that the offense did the best they could against that talented of a D, Hyde maybe could have gotten a hair more, but it's not like he was gashing them every time he touched it.

smartfootballrankings's picture

To all the fools blaming this on the offense-
http://www.smartfootballrankings.com/teams?team=518&season=2013
Look at the "ratings" column.  Our offense performed 50% above an average FBS offense does against MSU.  For the entire season, FSU performed an average of 40% better than an average offense (and they were #1 in offense).
Our defense performed at a level 17% worse than an AVERAGE FBS defense would against MSU.  This would have been 109th place, just ahead of Cal, if we did that poorly our entire season.
The offense put up 24 points against the best defense in the country.  They did their job.  Scoring 24 on Sparty should be enough to win.  You cannot count on getting more against them.   Only 2 teams did all season - Indiana did with the benefit of 2 turnovers and getting blown out (1 TD in garbage time), and Nebraska did (another garbage time TD, in a blowout).  Nebraska was the only team to get above 6 YPP on MSU (we got 5.937, Nebraska 6.125, and their next closest was 4.743 against Indiana).

Gametime's picture

Statistics and percentages aren't everything in football or any sport for that matter. Sometimes we have to make plays when they matter, and making plays includes having the right plays and scheme employed at the right time.
We had no misdirection plays, no fake Braxton runs with passes/screens back across the field, etc, etc. Bad offensive play calling contributed to the loss just as much as the poor secondary play.

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angelique's picture

why didn't Dontre Wilson carry the ball?

denden

Clinger76's picture

Is it just me or should we have someone else returning kickoffs besides Wilson? He seems to run the ball right at the first WALL of defenders. He might be fast but he's more shifty than fast. His straight line speed isn't Teddy Ginns!! IMHO

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Cdrone92's picture

I'm going to be honest, I skipped the last 260 comments above, so if someone already said this, feel free to chime in and loop it to previous comments.
That being said, C.J. Barnett. Holy Cow. I respect any athlete that could play better than I could, but he had (at least) two massive failures at his position last night that both cost TD's against us. Maybe it's just a mark of the entire collapse in secondary that's been foreshadowing this kind of result, and maybe I just happened to see only his failures from my seat in Lucas Oil, but if we had the second-stringer to sub him out last night, I would have at least entertained the idea. On the flip-side, without Christian Bryant in the secondary, from what I've read, it seems as though we just wouldn't have had depth to sub out Barnett.
So, did we have the depth to sub Barnett, and if so, why didn't we?

llong83's picture

No effing passing game outside 40 yds downfield???? A high school coach could coach against that.We didnt pass the ball over the middle NOT 1 DAMN TIME!!!! No in routes, stops routes, no passes to the tight end who is very good. Didnt work dontre into the game in any fashion, i'd like to see him run some routes agains slow LB's...I mean come on!!!!!!!! Im so effing frustrated today!!!!!!! Also, time to make a change to the D back coach and the DC. D-backs technique was HORRENDOUS. Pass interference calls over and over and over allowing MSU to sustain drives. Long plays and penaltys all game friggin long. We really made this QB look like a 4 yr starter..i cant stand this crap. MSU is NOT a team we should lost that badly too...Michigan game shouldnt have been close...what is the deal?? HOW THE HELL DO WE FIX IT...ARGH

Buckeyes...or Nothing

llong83's picture

Let me also say this....did anyone else see on the Grant INT the other WR running WIDE OPEN DOWN THE FIELD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Grant jumps the route and leaves noone deep. If the MSU QB would have held the ball for 1/2 more second, they would have had a 60 yd TD!!! Terrible, just terrible

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