Quotebook: Iowa

By Kyle Rowland on October 20, 2013 at 9:00a
The Buckeyes know a win is a win.

COLUMBUS – The first big controversy has arrived in Columbus. No, not the yet-to-be-released BCS standings. Instead, fans are up in arms about the ruling that led to cornerback Bradley Roby’s ejection.

Ohio State was already trailing 7-3 and Iowa again found itself on the short side of the 50. Tight end C.J. Fiedorowicz caught a pass from Jake Rudock when he turned to run up field. But that never happened because Roby delivered a crushing blow.

When the flags were thrown, linebacker Ryan Shazier knew it meant Roby would be ejected. He was right. The opinions from fans, coaches and players differed, with most in scarlet and gray believing it was a bad call.

“I thought it was a real bad call,” linebacker Curtis Grant said. “He led with his shoulder and you have to understand your head is connected to your body, so it is going to be in there on a hit. I just thought it was a bad call.”

“Was it below the shoulder?” Ohio State head coach Urban Meyer asked the media. “That’s my question. I guess I don’t know. I got fined $30,000 one time for going after an official. So I’m not going to do that.”

“The rule’s in place and you live by the consequences of the rule,” Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz said. “I didn’t think that was the closest call today, if that’s what you’re asking. It didn’t appear that way to me. That’s a tremendous crew of officials that we had on the field today.”

“I’m not a referee,” safety C.J. Barnett said, “and I’m happy I'm not. From my perspective, I think it was a great hit. It sucks that it had to get him thrown out the game, but player safety is the most important thing.”

“We still gon get this W,” Roby tweeted. “Believe that.”

The second-most talked about play of the game was Carlos Hyde’s 19-yard touchdown run that could have gone down as a 23-yarder. When he was hit and jarred backwards by an Iowa defender at the 7, Hyde gathered himself at the 11 before diving into the end zone. It was the best highlight play of the year so far for the Buckeyes.

Braxton Miller called it God-given talent.

“I’ve never had a run like that, but that play was working all day,” Hyde said. “The safety came up and hit me. I came out of it and I was still up. I was like, ‘Let me catch my balance,” and once I did I turned around and was like, ‘Man, I haven’t even scored yet.’ When I saw Philly’s block, I just went in for the touchdown.”

“While I was watching that, I was thinking, ‘That’s going to be on SportsCenter,’” offensive lineman Jack Mewhort said. “It was unbelievable. Everyone thinks of Carlos as a between-the-tackles guy, but when he gets out in space, he can do some cool things, too.”

The story during the first half was the lackluster Ohio State defense. The unit gave up seven third-down conversions and surrendered 222 yards. Iowa led 17-10.

“At the half, some players and coaches just basically said, ‘We need to get it together,’” Shazier said.

“We pride ourselves on being really good on third down, but we weren’t there today,” linebacker Joshua Perry said. “That’s going to be one of those things we’re going to go back and see what things we need to correct. We’ll make those corrections, so next week we don’t make the same errors.

“We want to get three and outs, get stops on third downs and ultimately get our offense the ball because we know our team is really good. Just going in at halftime we needed to get that chip on our shoulder.”

“Defensively, I was very disappointed – very, very disappointed in first half because I thought we were getting pushed around,” Meyer said. “The second half was much, much better, but that was a very good, physical team we were playing.”

“There are times when you’re not going to be perfect,” defensive coordinator Luke Fickell said. “You have to be able to move on. We get so frustrated because we have such high expectations for what we do and you’d like to look up there and see a zero or a shutout. But when things don’t go your way, you can’t put your head down, you can’t mope.”

Fickell went on to give props to Mike Vrabel for righting some of the defense’s wrongs.

“I’ve got to give credit a lot to Coach Vrabel,” he said. “He kind of grabbed them on the sideline, sat them down and told them, ‘Hey, this game isn’t perfect. At times you’re not going to be perfect, and the thing you have to be able to do is move on.’”

Christian Bryant suffered a season-ending ankle injury three weeks ago. Meyer has taken the setback hard, and he mentioned it again Saturday. But this time he had encouraging news for the Buckeyes to go along with it.

“When you lose Christian Bryant, I keep looking for that next guy and I found him, I think. It’s No. 10, Philly Brown,” Meyer said. “The emotional guy that’s in that locker room and the kickoff team. He was outstanding. Philly Brown, I wouldn’t walk across the street for him last year. Now he’s a guy that’s an incredible leader.

“I just looked at him, ‘Don't let me down.’ He was phenomenal today. He was picking up the slack of Christian Bryant. Christian’s unique. The people that devalue and don’t understand that have never have been in the locker room, never been in the huddle, having that energy source.”

It was a banner day for the offensive line. They pushed around the Iowa defensive line that had been so successful this season. Ohio State had well over 200 yards rushing and two rushing touchdowns – the first two the Hawkeyes allowed on the season.

“They’re big, strong and they train well and practice well,” offensive line coach Ed Warinner said. “They wear people down, so in the second half we can create running seams. We have good running backs. We’re very confident that they’ll come through and play well when we need them to.”

“As a unit, I think we do a lot of things right,” Mewhort said. “It just boils down to hard work. It’s something we embrace.”

“We knew going in that Iowa was a physical team, that they had one of the leading rushing defenses in the nation,” Meyer said. “But we responded, especially in the second half. We had 273 yards against a team that’s as good against the run as anyone, so we were pleased with that.”

Miller had his best game of the season, accounting for 324 yards of total offense and two touchdowns. He completed 22-of-27 pass attempts.

“I can always tell when he’s feeling good, when he’s running, carrying out fakes, those types of things,” Meyer said. “I can see it now. He looks better, he looks like he’s feeling great.”

Meyer on not going for it on 4th down late in the first half:

“We were into the breeze a little bit,” he said. “I thought about punting it. I think [Braxton] was throwing the ball well and receivers were catching the ball, so I decided to take a chance there.”

Perspective from Urban:

“I’ve learned a lesson in my life. I’m going to enjoy this win,” Meyer said with a mischievous grin. “I feel outstanding. I’m going to go hug my players and hug my family and go to work tomorrow. But, tonight? I'm not worried about the defense. I’m going to enjoy this win.”


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SilverState's picture

The last quote from Meyer is money. Mewhort's "Sportscenter" too.

buckeyedude's picture

I was thinking the same thing, Silver. I'm glad Meyer has learned not to be too hard on himself. He's a competitor. I'm the same way. Of course you strive for perfection, but it isn't realistic. You have to enjoy these little victories in life, because it IS too short.



wojodta's picture

I wish some of our fans would adopt this same philosophy.

captain obvious's picture

I agree with you 100%. I actually left the site for a while because of the negativity.

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Maestro's picture


vacuuming sucks

LeftCoastBuck's picture

Just posted this on the Roby Ejection thread, but seems to fit this article
Alright guys. I decided to nerd out a bit this morning. I got ahold of the best HD clip I could find, imported it into Adobe Premiere and went through it frame by frame and did the following engineering analysis. What I was looking for were the changes in motion of the receiver's head and their causes.
The head is heavy (~10lb), the receiver is wearing a helmet (2-3lb), and the head will rotate roughly around the base of the neck in response to an external force. If the head was struck first, the head would rotate backward. If the receiver was struck in the chest, the head would rotate forward. In fact, I found that the head rotates forward for 3 frames after contact, or about 1/10 of a sec at the 30hz rate that I have set in Premiere. (the Hawkeye logo on the helmet makes a great measurement target) The only possible cause for this when looking at the sum of the moments (rotational forces) is a hit at, or below the rotational axis of the head; the base of the neck. Roby had to have made contact first with his shoulder pads near the shoulder joint of the receiver. This makes sense because Roby's head is clearly above the rotational axis and would have caused the head to rotate backward if he had made initial contact with his helmet.
However, the receiver's head then does rotate backward. And this is where things get a bit murkier from a viewing perspective. It looks to me like the receivers helmet rotates forward until it hits Roby's helmet. However, it could be argued that Roby's helmet is moving forward, causing the same rotation. But we do have another clue....the rotation of the receiver's body. At that point, the rest of the receiver's body is rotating backward at a lower rate. This was caused by the initial contact by Roby's pads
In summary, Roby hit him in the upper chest first, and then the receiver's head rotated forward and hit Roby's helmet. By that time, the receiver's body was rotating backward from the initial hit, making it tough for the officials to understand.
I will leave it to the rest of you guys to argue the launch stuff, but my vote is Not Guilty
LCB, BSME, BSEE tOSU and Distinguished Alumnus of the College of Engineering

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GoBucks10's picture

This BSME (tOSU) and MSAE (UC) agrees. Good analysis and Go Buckeye Engineering!

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unknownmusketeer's picture

I appreciate the most excellent analysis. Does anyone know how specific the targeting rule is to identifying the cause of the hemet-to-helmet contact? Does it specify contact initiated on the lower body that results in HTH contact is still a penalty?

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Where else would get such high-level analysis in a sports-related comment thread than 11W?

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Okay, I don't normally comment about DVs. But I nominate the DV for LeftCoastBuck above as the stupidest DV in the history of 11W. I truly hope it was a fat finger DV.

ScarletGray43157's picture

R_F_R, I agree.  Whoever downvoted must explain why, even if it was a fatfinger DV.

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hetuck's picture

My decidedly unscientific analysis is based on the two photos of the hit in today's Dispatch. Both show initial contact at the bicep level. Based on that, I don't understand Ray Stein's concurrence with the ejection. It's pretty hard to have initial helmet-to-helmet contact when one player is 6'1" and the other is 6'7". 
I'm sure we'll hear from the B1G head of officials on this one. I liked Pat Fitzgerald's suggestion to have ejection decisions done in the B1G war room at the time and like it even better now. 
I'm afraid this will become the poster example for enforcement of the targeting rule just as the B1G overdid it with the celebration rule (see block O gloves). 

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rosycheeks's picture

I'm just a dude who watches football and this rule is BS.

OneOfOver475000's picture

Fantastic analysis.  Why couldn't the replay officials see what you just saw?

klfeck's picture

Please share this data with the NCAA. Obviously, they lack anyone who has the ability to look at these things scientifically. In this age of technology, there is not reason they could not review these type of hits in the same manner up in the booth.



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Oldschoolbuck's picture

The reason I majored in English...
UV nonetheless :/

GoBucks10's picture

Great win yesterday. Just have to keep it up and let thevpolls sort out the way they do. Go Buckeyes!

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Abe Froman's picture

I thought Miller made great decisions.  When running the ball, he protected the ball in traffic and got down when he needed to get down.  Passes were crisp and well thrown and the sacks were, well..... they were losses for minimal yards.  All around good game, much like the second half of NW.

Basking in the wake of mediocrity.....

AndyVance's picture

Absolutely - it looked like he made the correct read most of the time, making those first downs when he needed to, in addition to the amazing plays we've come to expect from Braxton.

Basso Profondo's picture

In my opinion it was his most efficient game of the season.

steveoz49's picture

As frustrating as it was to watch the first half, deep down I knew that it was only a matter of time.  I am not sure about my exact numbers her, but I think I saw/heard a stat that Ohio St only ran 25 plays in the first half and they ended up with something like 200 yards in the 3rd quarter alone. 

Hovenaut's picture

Great to read the perspectives from those directly involved yesterday.

Said it last night, it ain't pretty but I'll take it.

19-0, with a chance to go 20-0.

Hats off to Iowa, and (this is difficult for me) Kirk Ferentz....they played/coached a helluva game yesterday.

With that, bring on Penn State - with their freshman QB and (engage the sarcasm here) superior TE corps.

AndyVance's picture

Hov, I hate to say it too, but I was thinking during the first half, "That looks like a B1G coach of the year coaching on the opposite sideline." And I thought it without the sarcasm font... Great gameplan against the good guys. Glad we prevailed in the end.

bucksfan92's picture

Not only was Roby's hit not ejection worthy, it wasn't anywhere close to unnecessary roughness territory either.  That hit looked like a million other hits from every game, every Satruday for the last 100 years of college football.  His objective is to hit the guy with the ball to ensure he does not gain yardage, and if at all possible separate him from the ball.  He clearly hit the guy below the pads, it was a text book hit, wrap, and tackle. 

SC Buckeye's picture

it was a text book hit, wrap, and tackle

As you can see below, I fixed your comment for you.

gravey's picture

I think people are focusing on helmet-to-helmet, but I don't think that is actually the rule that is in question - it's the defenseless player.
Roby didn't wrap up Denard last year either and after attempting the big hit, shoelace went racing down the field.  All he has to do is go a bit lower and wrap up - and then there's no ejection, a good tackle and if he gets his shoulder on the ball - maybe a fumble or a drop.   Watch Antoine Winfield highlights and you'll see how a corner should play a big TE or WR in space.

ScarletGray43157's picture

Not sure I agree about the wrap and tackle part, but otherwise agree.

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

buckeyedude's picture

The Bucks better be ready for PSU next weekend. I believe they are going to be thinking 'upset' with their newfound confidence after their win over TTUN.
That TD run by El Guapo was a thing of freakin' beauty! Best run of the year!  I jumped out of my Lazy-Boy and was screaming when he dove into the end zone. My 23 year old daughter was laughing hysterically at me.



AndyVance's picture

Was anyone else shocked at how many times the commentators brought up Ohio State's speed? I suppose it could have been viewed as a backhanded compliment, comparing us to the plodding plowhorses of Iowa, perhaps the B1Gest B1G team out there, but I was impressed that we're known as a speed team now, at least on some level.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Yeah, and that's a good thing, so I shouldn't complain. But maybe it also reflected the announcers' lazy thinking: Urbz, formerly of the SEC = speed. Urb is upgrading the speed, but Ohio State was a speed team 5 years ago. 

CC's picture

But maybe it also reflected the announcers' lazy thinking: Urbz, formerly of the SEC = speed.

Don't read too much into it.  Just take the compliment and be done with it.  They were making the comments at valid points in the game, ie where Iowa would try to run outside but couldn't.  The fact of the matter is that OSU is a fast team based on any measure.  Is it the fastest, probably not but is it in the club?  Yes.

Norwalk's picture

Iowa's TEs run faster than our DBs. We need a speed upgrade at corner and safety.

ScarletGray43157's picture

The problem there with the pass defense may be more due to poor coverage than lack of speed, but no one could catch the TE an that 85 yarder, so you do have a point.

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

Seattle Linga's picture

Poor coverage is right S&G - Wrong place ....wrong time..... all night long spells these type of big plays. It was tough to watch their 3rd down efficiency for the first 3 Quarters

teddyballgame's picture

Roby would have caught that guy.  Remember when he hit the burners in the Northwestern game?

klfeck's picture

go bucks



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ScarletNGrey01's picture

When you lose Christian Bryant, I keep looking for that next guy and I found him, I think. It’s No. 10, Philly Brown

Hey guys, help me out here, I'm kind of old and getting senile and apologize if this is a stupid question.  Isn't Philly Brown the WR, and Pittsburgh Brown the DB?

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

ScarletNGrey01's picture

OK, for his leadership skills, not the position itself which I think Pitt Brown was slotted in for, at least for the Northwestern game.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

southbymidwest's picture

Scarlet, I think what Urban meant was he was looking for a fiery stir-em-up rabble rousing kind of guy, which is what C. Bryant is, from what has been said about him. Seems that we have a number of lead by example, cool as a cucumber guys, but needed a replacement for Bryant's style of leadership, and Philly Brown is showing that.

buckeyepastor's picture

In regards to the Roby ejection, setting aside trajectory and what made contact and such (which to me the basic TV instant replays show a hit in the chest area with his shoulder), what I noticed most was the timing of the actual flag.   It's possible that the guy just struggled getting it out of his pocket, but I noticed that it didn't fall until after Roby sort of celebrated the hit.   I think that part of the motive for the flag was unsportsmanlike conduct, maybe more than an illegal hit.  I wonder, if Roby simply walks away after the hit, if the flag gets thrown.   

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

Oldschoolbuck's picture

I would imagine that Vrabes has more cred than almost any other coach on the sidelines when it comes to grinding out a win with a less-than-perfect performance... I'm sure the lads listen when he speaks.