Iowa Notebook: Roby Penalty Draws Many Opinions

By Kyle Rowland on October 19, 2013 at 10:11p
Roby was tossed for this hit.

COLUMBUS – When the targeting rule was instituted, Christian Bryant became a media darling at Ohio State. His hard hits made him a candidate to feel the NCAA’s wrath. Instead, it was his All-American teammate that became the first Buckeye to be ejected.

In the first quarter of Ohio State’s 34-24 win over Iowa, Bradley Roby lunged into tight end C.J. Fiedorowicz. The hit was powerful and put Fiedorowicz on the turf immediately. Also finding a way to the turf immediately were multiple yellow flags.

Personal foul on the defense, 15-yard penalty. Targeting on No. 1. That player is ejected. The ruling did not make Ohio State fans happy.

“Was it below the shoulder?” Ohio State head coach Urban Meyer asked the media. “That’s my question. I guess I don’t know. I got fined $30,000 one time for going after an official. So I’m not going to do that.”

The rule in question is Rule 9, Section 1, Article 4 and it stipulates that if there’s any doubt, the referee should throw the flag. The initial contact was shoulder-to-shoulder with Roby’s helmet eventually striking Fiedorowicz’s. By rule, Fiedorowicz was a defenseless player and the officials’ call was correct.

The debate isn’t whether Roby should have been ejected or not, but the basis of the rule. Player safety has become a huge talking point in football, and for good reason. But the targeting rule has been criticized since it came into effect. The nature of being ejected is too harsh for some.

“The rule’s in place and you live by the consequences of the rule,” Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz said. “I didn’t think that was the closest call today, if that’s what you’re asking. It didn’t appear that way to me. That’s a tremendous crew of officials that we had on the field today.”

Roby’s teammates had similar opinions. 

“I’m not a referee,” C.J. Barnett said, “and I’m happy I'm not. From my perspective, I think it was a great hit. It sucks that it had to get him thrown out the game, but player safety is the most important thing.”

Without Roby, the pass defense struggled for large portions of the game again. They allowed 245 passing yards and three touchdowns. Two of those scores came at the expense of Roby’s replacement, Armani Reeves.

Roby will be eligible for the entire Penn State game.

Line of Fire

The lull between spring practice and fall camp is usually filled with questions and concerns about the Ohio State offense. But those queries almost disappeared entirely during the summer of 2013. There was confidence in the skill positions and quarterback. And it all starts with the offensive line.

As recently as two seasons ago, the Buckeyes’ O-line was an underachieving unit that contributed to the team continually coming up short in the national spotlight. It took Ed Warinner all of one year to correct the wrongs and turn a less talented group into arguably the Big Ten’s top offensive line.

That’s not a knock on the likes of Jack Mewhort, Andrew Norwell, Corey Linsley and Marcus Hall. The truth is the previous lines were more heralded. It’s irrelevant at this point. What is relevant is the continued play on the line.

“They’re big, strong and they train well and practice well,” Warinner said. “They wear people down, so in the second half we can create running seams. We have good running backs. We’re very confident that they’ll come through and play well when we need them to.”

Ohio State ranks 11th nationally in rushing offense at 281 yards per game. In the first four games of the season, Jordan Hall rushed for more than 100 yards a game and led the Big Ten in scoring. Two weeks ago, Carlos Hyde ran for a career-high 168 yards and scored three touchdowns. On Saturday, he gained 149 and scored twice. Iowa began the day fifth in the nation with just 13 runs of 10-plus yards allowed. The Buckeyes had nine on 51 rushes

“Right now, the strength of our program is our offensive line,” Meyer said.

All they did against an Iowa defense that was limiting opponents to 89 yards on the ground and had not given up a rushing touchdown was tally 273 yards – more than five per carry – and end that no rushing touchdown streak. And it’s not just running where the line’s stout play appears. They’ve only allowed 10 sacks in seven games. 

“They don’t have any indecision,” Drayton said. “There’s no hesitation in their first step. So they are just rocking off the ball, very confident in their targets, and once they get engaged, they are moving people. That is a great formula for productive running.”

It not only instills confidence in the running backs, it also allows them to anticipate reads quick, as Drayton pointed out. Instead of taking personal credit or giving kudos to his unit, Drayton did not hesitate at recognizing the play of the O-line.

“Why we are getting the explosive runs and the nice chunks of yards right now in the run game is purely because of the offensive line,” he said. “It’s been phenomenal for us this year.”

Said Mewhort: “As a unit, I think we do a lot of things right. It just boils down to hard work. It’s something we embrace.”

Third and Long

Corey Brown had a steadier game on the defensive side of the ball.

Two weeks ago at Northwestern, when an inconsistent Ohio State offense took more than a half to get in motion, it was the defense that started the second-half momentum. The Wildcats entered the game as one of the top third-down conversion teams in the country, converting at a clip of 52 percent.

But on that Saturday night in Evanston, Northwestern was limited to 5-of-14 on third downs and only converted two after halftime. It contributed greatly in the Buckeyes overcoming a 10-point deficit to win 40-30.

The late-game heroics were needed again against Iowa. The Hawkeyes ranked in the top 25 nationally for third-down convertions – 48 percent. Ohio State entered Saturday’s game fourth best in the country at stopping teams on third down. Opponents were only converting one in every four third downs against the Buckeyes.

In the first half, Iowa put those numbers to shame. It converted on seven of nine third downs. Ohio State had only allowed eight third-down conversations on the season to Big Ten opponents. Not surprisingly, the Hawkeyes led 17-10 at halftime. Shazier said the bye week proved beneficial to Iowa because it inserted some new looks on offense that confused the Buckeyes in the first half.

“The reason they’re really successful on third down is because they have a pretty good run attack, so they can do play action and they have pretty good playmakers,” he said. “They had us off-balance at first, having three tight ends in the game. We weren’t ready for that.”

But the second half told a different story. Ohio State outscored Iowa 24-7 and limited the Hawkeyes to one third-down conversion after the break. They say defense wins championships, and the evidence is there. So too is the importance of holding on third down.

The top four teams in the country at third-down defense are Clemson, UCLA, Louisville and Ohio State – a combined 24-3.

“We pride ourselves on being really good on third down, but we weren’t there today,” linebacker Joshua Perry said. “That’s going to be one of those things we’re going to go back and see what things we need to correct. We’ll make those corrections, so next week we don’t make the same errors.”

“We want to get three and outs, get stops on third downs and ultimately get our offense the ball because we know our team is really good. Just going in at halftime we needed to get that chip on our shoulder.”

That success has been even more impressive considering the Buckeyes have at times been beaten on first and second downs, especially through the air. That was seen again on Saturday, as Iowa continually put themselves in manageable situations.

“The key is first and second down,” OSU co-defensive coordinator Everett Withers said. “We are a really good third-down team, one of the best in the country, I believe. And first and second down, that's where people are trying to make their money against us throwing the football and we have to continue to get better on first and second down.”


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harleymanjax's picture

I think ejections should be used only in cases of malicious intent, when you hit somebody in the shoulders/chest and the force of your momentum causes you to bump helmets there is no justification for ejecting a player.

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J.Mo's picture

What did Roby do after his ejection? Where did he watch the game?

buckeyepastor's picture

He did not lead with the helmet.  He did not initiate contact above the shoulder.   He did leave his feet and did not attempt to use his arms at all, which really worked against Roby.   

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

ibuck's picture

His strutting/celebrating after the hit didn't help either.

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

If you can't win your conference, just quietly accept your non-playoff bowl game.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Show no emotion, and don't hit people hard. I just love what football has become.

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Kyle Rowland's picture

Here's the best picture I've seen:

AMSS's picture

You stated in your article there were multiple flags thrown. That is inaccurate. There was one flag thrown. 

Spider1944's picture

Thank you! Don't you love it when someone has to fabricate the truth to validate there view point. There was not only one flag, it was so late I thought it was for excessive celebration. I knew this rule was in trouble when they said Clowney's hit on Smith last bowl season would have been targeting. 
I am all for eliminating head shots. Did anyone notice the head shot on Dontre by number 31 on the sideline. They showed that play over 3 or 4 times not a mention. 31 ended up knocking himself silly. 

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pitsinak's picture

I don't understand how anyone is still saying this should have been flagged.

ibuck's picture

Here's why...

Scientists have found "profound abnormalities" in scans of brain activity in a group of retired American football players, adding to evidence indicating that repeated blows to the head can trigger longer-term aggression and dementia. . . .
A growing body of scientific research shows that repeated knocks to the head can lead to a condition known as chronic traumatic encephalopathy, which can lead to loss of decision making control, aggression and dementia.
Previous research has also found that former American football players have higher rates of neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease.

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If you can't win your conference, just quietly accept your non-playoff bowl game.

MikeLew's picture

Because it was against the rules. A photograph is not appropriate evidence here- all it will do is show what is happening at an exact snapshot in time. Shows the hit- this is clearly a targeting penalty and an ejection according to the rule.
Debate the rule all you like, but this was a correct and proper application of the rule as it is in place now.

unknownmusketeer's picture

I kept wondering, is Bradley Roby even tall enough to make contact with a 6'5" TE's head?
The fundamental reason behind the targeting rule is to avoid costly lawsuits from players who get concussions. In the NFL, they can fine players who tackle in this manner. You can't simultaneously bash the NCAA for not protecting players and enacting rule changes to do so.

GregB's picture

"and did not attempt to use his arms at all"
THAT to me, is the larger point of this rule and is a 20+ yr trend that need to be reversed.  Too many guys want the highlight "hit" and wont just come in and wrap a guy up.  Going across the middle shouldnt be a cakewalk but it shouldnt put your Cspine at risk either, that goes for the hitter too.  Come in at chest level with your arms extended and wrap the guy up and there will be no problem.  You can still sting the guy without all high hits

4thandinches's picture

Makes you think if he was to wrap up if he would have been flagged.

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PJ33's picture

When has Roby ever wrapped up? Never once have I seen him perform a form tackle.

RC's picture

He did NOT leave his feet.  Watch again.

D-Day0043's picture

Warinner is worth his weight in gold. He has done a fantastic job. He is really going to be put to the test next year when they have to replace that line.

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Seth4Bucks's picture

I have a feeling he'll pass with flying colors.

GoBucks713's picture

Considering per ounce gold was $1314.71 Friday. And figuring that he weighs around 225 pounds  1314.71*16*225= Right around $4.75 million. By your logic, we need to pay this man more than Urbz, which I am on board with this decision.

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gumtape's picture

I am amazed that Iowa player was able to hold onto the ball.
I have no problem with Roby playing aggressive. That is what you want in a corner, that instinct to hit the opposing player and seperate him from the ball.
With that said, according to the rule, he warranted an ejection. Argue about the validity of the rule all that you want. He hit the receiver's helmet with his own helmet. 
I am expecting a few downvotes for this.

High and tight boo boo

awarren84's picture

But if u lead with your shoulder pad...your head will follow. In which case there will be some helmet to helmet contact at times. So I feel as though if u lead with a shoulder pad and your intent was to hit with your shoulder pad, but there is some additional helmet contact that comes with the nature of the hit...then it's not targeting. The target was to hit with his shoulder pad in the chest. Which he did. 

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ArizonaBuckeye's picture

Look at the replay again. Their helmets never made contact. It was a bullshit call all around. Roby hit him at the high shoulder pad level, it wasn't helmet to helmet. Again, bullshit call.

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." -Woody Hayes-

gumtape's picture

Best I could do with my image capture software.
This is an issue of opinion. In my opinion he hit the guy in the head with his helmet. It is very fast and a close call though. His shoulder pads are level and you can see Fiedorowicz's helmet go "back and to the left", "back and to the left", "back and to the left".

High and tight boo boo

AMSS's picture

Your picture actually disproves your point. That is a shoulder into the chest of the receiver and Roby's foot is on the ground. Back and to the left because he got whiplashed by a strong hit to the chest. The real problem with the call that I have is why did the official looking right at the play not throw a flag? Why did the guy 15 yards behind the play throw a flag? Reminds me of Ted Valentine calling a foul down on the blocks from out at the time line. No way he sees it more clearly than the guy right there. 

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"Back and to the left". 
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Brutus's picture

Even greater episode of Seinfeld.

FitzBuck's picture

Totally forgot about that.  

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MikeLew's picture

The helmets absolutely made contact.

ArizonaBuckeye's picture

I stand corrected. However, it wasn't intentional or malicious. Maybe give him the 15 yarder but not worthy of an ejection in my opinion.

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." -Woody Hayes-

MikeLew's picture

Intent is not part of the rule.

ScarletNGrey01's picture

And Kyle agrees with your assertion also if people read the first couple of paragraphs.  Yeah, as I posted earlier I'm a huge buckeye homer and see life through scarlet and grey glasses, but from what I have read about the targeting rule and after viewing the hit several times the call on Roby (may have been borderline) was not a horrible call, I can see why the refs did "make the call".  Don't see why people get down votes for stating their opinion in a logical, reasonable way as you did.  Would be interesting to have an experienced college level referee weigh in on this, although it is water over the dam and the bucks got the win.

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Bubba 81's picture

I thought it was a bolder dash call. His feet didn't leave the ground and he lead with his shoulder onto the receivers should. Yes, his head flung back but that was because he was completely upright when the contact took place. Player safety OK, who doesn't want that...I would even take the 15 yard penalty but to eject him from the game. Weak.
did anyone see the end of the LSU / Ole Miss Game where the LSU player lead with his head and nail the Ole Miss player in the head -- no penalty, no ejection 
there is no consistently with this rule as it is to subjective. 

lamplighter's picture

the Georgia call was far worse however

CCatanzaro's picture

The ejection rule is ridiculous.  A penalty in that situation makes sense, but what's the alternative to a hit like that?  To avoid a potential ejection, players start diving at each others knees instead?  What happens when that becomes an ejection?

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Klingenator's picture

+1 for sarcastaball!  I wonder if we could hire Stan as our new DC?

southernstatesbuckeye's picture

Great gif!
Super slo mo shows Roby's shoulder hitting first, then incidental helmet contact BECAUSE OF THE FRIGGIN LAWS OF FORCE, IMPACT, AND RECOIL!
It's physics.  So now the referees and replay officials have to interpret, well, rocket science.
They cannot do this effectively in the high pressure position of rendering a quick decision.  As someone already pointed out, it is an interpretation that is extremely different across conferences, and even among refs in the same conference. 
The rule needs to go, or be modified drastically in which only the obvious and blatantly malicious hits garner an immediate expulsion.  Any other decision should be left to the following week when the conference can look at a situation and decide whether a young man must be ejected for his next game, who had been wrongly allowed to continue in the present game. 
Does this simple solution not sound fair?
This is the best way out of the dilemma.  The best, and really only way to insure an intelligent ejection decision will be made is to give more time to make it.  Why have to look back and regret a poor decision by the officials (and we already know they have happened already this year), if you can still exact judgment by ejecting for the next game? 
I believe Roby's hit was of the variety that would have been reviewed, and he would not have been penalized further once the conference officials reviewed it (using all the BIG crews, not just the local group-this creates conference unity in officiated and should be welcomed).
Anyway, it sure sounds sane enough to me, so why don't the people who make the dang rules get it too?
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MikeLew's picture

You are missing it. The rule is not "leading with the head", it's "hitting at or above the shoulder." Roby's hit was too high- he should have aimed for the solar plexus.

Seattle Linga's picture

You can ask 15 different people and get 15 different opinions. I don't have a problem as long as the entire referee universe is consistent with their calls.

JozyMozy's picture

The top four teams in the country at third-down defense are Clemson, UCLA, Louisville and Ohio State – a combined 24-2.

40 Degrees North's picture

If you want to call a penalty, I can see how a ref can call it at live speed. However, to check a 5 second replay and eject him was bullshit. The ejection rule is a rule made up by lawyers at the NCAA. This is so they can do a little CYA for when the inevitable lawsuits come. 

buckeyepastor's picture

Agree.  The replay of that hit shows that he led completely with his shoulder.   If they're not going to overturn an ejection with clear video evidence, what's the point of those reviews.  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

1stYrBuckIClub's picture

I was at the game and that play happened closely in front of me. I watch a ton of college football, but today with his ejection I saw something I had not seen. Every targeting penalty I've seen on TV prompted a 'the previous play is under review' for a video review of the hit, but I didn't hear that from the refs today. I think that may have been part of the crowd's anger. 

I_Run_The_Dave's picture

On the telecast, they did show that it was reviewed, but they upheld the ejection after a whole 5 seconds...

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

I think they are over doing this penalty. I understand trying to eliminate the guys leading with their heads and spearing guys, but then a guy makes a nice solid hit, and their helmets happen to touch, it should not be a penalty. IMO the most bullshit part of these calls are when they go to review and find out no targeting penalty occurred, then the team still gets a 15 yard penalty for a clean hit. If you can decide whether you are going to toss a guy from the game, you should damn well be able to waive off the penalty if one didn't occur for the same call. 

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

Kurt's picture

Eh, I'm fine with the call.  We should win that game easily with or without Roby.  Additionally (and more to the point)  I'll only be pleased when we see no helmets and smaller shoulder pads. 

DarkBeer's picture

I wonder what would have happened if Roby hit the receiver prior to catching the ball with the same hit?  Same targeting penalty, or just pass interference?  It looks to me that contact was first made with Roby's shoulder to the receiver.

Seattle Linga's picture

Agreed with or without Roby

airbuckeye's picture

I said when they came out with this new BULL SHIT RULE it just gave more power to the REFs to take control of a game and help a team stay in a game or even win it. It's bull shit rule that makes no sense if you think about it because after the flag the offical in the both views it and if he says it was not targeting then the player gets to stay in the game. But the 15 yards is still tacked on which makes no DAM sense at all. How the hell do you say its not targeting but yet still tack on 15 F ing yards?  So yes that is on way for the REFS to make sure a team can stay in a game or help them win the game which is bull shit because you know dam well some of them are going to do it. Plus all this does is water down a great sport by pussyfing it because everyone from the players to coach's no this game is not a gentleman's sports game like checkers or chest. This is a game of war play on a football field (battle field) with a football. They are totaly ruining the game with all this shit. If your a player and you don't to get hurt playing the game then stay the hell away from the game or suck it up and suite up and play.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Bottom line is if what Roby did was illegal, then the rule is stupid. Jack Tatum must be spinning in his grave at the speed of light.

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balbak buck's picture

I bet Tatum is so glad that he is not playing football now.He would only play one game per season.

73buckeye's picture

FYI, Jack Tatum passed away in July of 2010. And you are right, just about very one of his hits could have been called targeting. He was an unbelievable player.


GOOMBAY's picture

After reading the actual rule, I can agree with the call, but think the ejection component is excessive. Maybe a more problematic part of these calls is the idea of "defenseless" that warrants the ejection. Can a skill player who knows he may be getting the ball on a given play actually be defenseless? Going over the middle or going up for an amazing grab (and recognizing that the D will actually be hitting you) is on the receiver - not the defender. To me, the defenseless angle comes into play when you have guys standing around a pile or away from the play - obvious cheap shot territory.
Anyway - the spirit of the rule is in the right place. Let's keep everyone safe, but not start bouncing players on what will always be a subjective call.

boojtastic's picture

It was targeting. It was ejection-worthy. And I saw no fewer than three un-called hits that were far worse today.
It's a terrible rule and it's going to ruin the season at some point.

pjtobin's picture

If Roby would have just wrapped that dude up it wouldn't have been a issue. He still could have had a monster tackle. It is kinda like doing a layup if dunking where outlawed. Ya dig?

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

But he didn't want to simply make the tackle and concede the reception--he was trying to jar the ball loose. 

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BeijingBucks's picture

it is easier to jar the ball loose if your arms are around someone and you're pulling at it... just saying.
use your hands!!

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Buckeyeholicwompa's picture

Aside from the whole Roby ejection fiasco......there seems to be quite a bit of complaining when it comes to our soft pass defense and how were getting burned in that area lately.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, we just plain do not have the players with the versatility to play a more aggressive man to man coverage scheme. If we did have the players capable of that then I am sure Urban and Co. would be employing that. A factor that helps in that area obviously is some solid line backer play and that would certainly take pressure off the back 4.
D line?? Quite honestly, I think they're all a buncha studs. Been getting relentless pressure on O lines this year and that's hands down some kick ass recruiting from last year.

Hovenaut's picture

Guilty or no, the hit was enough to involve the officials.

Never put the game in the hands of the officials.

FitzBuck's picture

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teddyballgame's picture

Refs have no clue what they're looking for do they?  There was clearly no mal-intent on that...the helmet contact was incidental.  He loaded up and led with his shoulder to hopefully knock the ball from the 265lb TE.
I think they've been told ANY helmet to helmet = just eject

Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

I've seen quite a few NFL DBs take serious knees to the head diving at guys legs this season.
So what is the NCAA/NFL going to say for themselves when 20 years from now those defensive players have CTE that they shouldn't suffer from if it weren't for the rules legislating that they dive into the knees of players and put themselves in danger?

hetuck's picture

That's how the PSU DB (Adam ?) was paralyzed trying to tackle Jerry Westbrook. 

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vitaminB's picture

It looked to me like the flags didn't even come out until Roby did his little dance and stomp near the TE's head.  Maybe if he celebrates away from the guy who is writhing in pain the call doesn't get made.

cwerph's picture

Guys need to use proper technique to avoid these kinds of penalties. . .
1) His head needs to be up. For those who don't think he contacted the helmet of the Iowa receiver, look at the picture and explain how the guy's head is snapped around and his mouthpiece comes flying out.
2) He needs to open his arms, wrap up, and run through the guy.
3) He needs to go more forward than up.  Opinions differ, but it appeared to me that he launched up at the guy. If he doesn't do that, he doesn't hit the guy with his helmet. 

zekebucks's picture

Amen... I wish I had all of Roby's hits(missed tackles) on dvr. He hasn't used his arms in at least 75% of his tackles. No technique! Who is to blame? Every coach he had or OSU staff for not instilling proper tackling skills? Until it changes, I don't consider a player of Roby's talent level, and others throughout the country, as great player(s) as they are heralded to be!

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Good points, except that I wonder, given that the TE probably outweighed Roby by 70 lbs, whether Roby got better leverage by moving up instead of forward? Wouldn't it be easier for someone of his size to "tip" a heavy object compared to driving it across a plane? I really do this wonder if this rule put Roby in a position of having to choose between "targeting" or getting dragged for another three yards (or even a mistackle).  

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Bullshit call!  He hit him in the chest with his shoulder pad and the brunt force impact caused the receivers head to jerk forward and their helmets to connect!  Given the ridiculous game ejection penalty, it was, IMHO, a very bad call!  The more this rule gets enforced, the more you're going to see defensive players start taking out people's knees... not going to be pretty unless you're a knee surgeon.

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allinosu's picture

Isn't there another rule about a running back leading with his helmet? I recall wiseman doing it several times. How are we going to hide reeves against PSU? Their coach is really good exploiting a weakness.

bigbill992001's picture

Meanwhile................Minny beats up on Northwestern.   Hey, I thought NW was supposed to be good and thats why they almost kicked our ass.

Rjpfish2's picture

No Kolter or Venric Mark for NW; both of whom played vs. Ohio State. Probably NW's two biggest impact players.

AJW_16's picture

Tough break for the Buckeyes with Roby's ejection. I will admit that I was not pleased and periodically joined in the boo-birds heard in Ohio Stadium in the first half.
My problem with this rule is not the rule itself, but rather the inconsistency in which it is enforced. This goes for late hits on the quarterbacks as well. The problem is not that there is a rule in the first place, it is that there is no standard for refs to call the penalty. Some hits (like Roby's) get called, but then there are multiple other instances where I think you could call that penalty throughout a game.
A penalty that is clearly so difficult to enforce in a standard way should not result in an ejection. A 15 yard penalty is bad enough; ejecting a player changes the dynamics of a game. Like many things, this penalty has good intentions but just doesn't work in reality.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Great point - if a rule is very difficult to interpret, it doesn't matter how well intended it is and/or how well the officiating crew is prepared; implementing the rule will be a mess and likely cause more harm than it rectifies.
The rulesmakers will feel good that they "did something," and claim that, in spite of the interpretation and implementation problems, it was better than doing nothing.
When their rules changes lead to a series of unintended consequences, which won't be traced back to their previous rules "fixes," they'll come up with some new impossible-to-implement-soundly rules.
Wait, we are talking about football, aren't we?    

steveoz49's picture

Does Roby have to sit out the first quarter of the next game as well?

Run_Fido_Run's picture

No, because the supposed "foul" occurred in the 1H.

4thandinches's picture

Just tackle properly. Lead with your shoulder and wrap up. Would help with missed tackles as well. 

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Rjpfish2's picture

He DID lead with the shoulder, look at the still pics above. And I'm sure "wrapping up" a dude with +70 lbs on you is no big deal... Roby put a solid stick on a NW player a few plays before he knocked the wind out of old CJ.  He didn't even leave both feet. I agree he uses little to no form on most tackles, but if this was targeting then they might as well be playing two-hand-touch.

PJ33's picture

Roby never wraps up on tackles.

chethammer's picture

I know a lot of people hate this rule, but I'm OK with it.  There has to be something with teeth in it to stop players from launching and blasting a defenseless player.  15 yards isn't going to do alone so they added the ejection portion of the call.  It is also to encourage players to tackle like Spielman preaches in his little lessons during the games.  The way some of these DBs tackle is going to get someone killed.  I was mad when they made the call, but I understood why.  Glad it didin't affect the outcome.  With Roby in there they score 7 few points.

JLP36's picture

There was a ref on the sideline 5 or 10 yards away with an excellent vantage point who did not throw on the Roby hit.  The flag came from way back behind the play from someone who could only have seen it from behind and could not have seen where the heads contacted.  If there were multiple flags they were of the flag party variety that you see when there is a close one - that is after a 5 second delay.
The coaches make the rules.  This rule is not clear.  It is not clear what targeting is and it is not clear what a defenseless player is.  The only things that are clear are that you cannot launch, you cannot hit with the crown and you cannot hit into the head.  Roby did not do any of those things (and if that is a launch then football is dead).
Is the rule that you have to go for the knees on crossing routes? Does that Iowa TE really want Roby to lay into his knees on that play?
Is anyone running a crossing route a defenseless player?  What if you target his knees and doesn't get up because his ACLs are now spaghetti?  Targeting?
There is incredible emphasis on this with the refs (I know some of them), but no clarity.  They get hammered for getting it wrong if they don't throw the flag.  They don't if they throw it when they shouldn't have.  That is the only clarity they have.
Interesting note:  I think that SJ Scott McElwee threw the flag.  Remember the 2011 Sparty game (ugly memory I know).  There was one TD on a bomb by sparty.  John Simon was loose and going in for a sack on the play and was absolutely taken down right in front of the ref.  Your Referee getting a look at the head spot that day:  Scott McElwee!


Bamabucknut's picture

The game of football is under assault.Assault from the lawyers and the politically correct...."it's for the children" crowd.This assault will not stop.The game is being changed.Enjoy what was...while you can.

Jeeves's picture

They should just hand out the flag belts, make it co-ed and get it over with.

TheScarletLetters's picture

It's not just different interpretations of the rule -- but different interpretations of "what actually happened" by different referees at different times -- and by different observers (as can be seen on this blog).  A premise of law is that "justice must not only be done, but it must also be SEEN to be done".  While this isn't "law" per se, this rule DOES originate from lawyers trying to circumvent legal and financial consequences.   THAT, sadly, is what this rule is about. 
This is NOT about "safety".  No one has managed to define that as yet.  Unfortunately you can't ensure (head/neck/body?) "safety" in the most violent sport in the world.  You start trying to do that and you will inevitably transform the game of football.  In essence it won't be football.
If the best athletes in the world don't want to play football (as most of us know it), they should compete in some other sport.  To this observer, all players/recruits should be required to sign informed-consent waivers placing full responsibility for participation in the hands of the player.  In turn, a player can purchase any number of different kinds of insurance policies -- and demand the best equipment.  Currently the best technologies aren't being utilized.  

I have a dream .... if only I could remember ....

Menexenus's picture

Roby launched himself upwards, making no attempt to wrap-up (i.e. tackle).  His clear intent was to deliver as jarring a hit as he possibly could.  Although the actual helmet-to-helmet contact was minimal, the crown of Roby's helmet did impact the receiver's facemask, causing the receiver's head to quickly change direction. 
From my viewpoint, the call was correct.  I didn't like it any more than anyone else in the stadium, but I didn't think it was a bad call.
I'll say this, though, the fan energy in the stadium increased 10-fold after Roby was ejected.  And the additional crowd noise definitely seemed to help the defense get a stop soon afterwards.
I look forward to seeing Roby back again against Penn State on Saturday.

Real fans stay for Carmen.

Dougger's picture

The crowd was not into it before Roby started laying the wood. He rocked Wiseman the play before too. I had a feeling we'd be in for a fight but I think his ejection really got the crowd lively. Silver linings, and they won!

I like football

razrback16's picture

Perfectly clean hit. Just a typical officiating "job" by Bill Lemmonier.

ticodillo's picture

Did anyone  watch the Oregon Washington state game ? Can't remember if its before the first or second interception of the second half, but the hit on the play before the interception was CLEAR targeting head to head, pass over the middle, the LB lit the defenseless player up , and nothing ! The hit that caused the INT was a little sketchy also, and nothing.  I guess you're not cool if you call this kind of stuff on Oregon 

ToledoBuckeye's picture

Everyone needs to learn how to tackle like Antoine Winfield!  He always tackles at the ankles and wraps up! 

"Anything easy ain't worth a damn." - Woody Hayes