Ohio State Falls One Spot in AP, Coaches Poll

September 8, 2013 at 2:27p    by Kyle Rowland    
73 Comments
COACHES POLL
RK Team Record
1 Alabama (58) 1-0
2 Oregon (1) 2-0
3 Ohio State (2) 2-0
4 Stanford 1-0
5 Clemson 2-0
6 Texas A&M (2) 2-0
7 Louisville 2-0
8 LSU 2-0
9 Florida State 1-0
10 Georgia 1-1
11 Oklahoma State 2-0
12 Michigan 2-0
13 Oklahoma 2-0
14 South Carolina 1-1
15 Nebraska 2-0
16 Northwestern 2-0
17 UCLA 1-0
18 Wisconsin 2-0
18 Miami 2-0
20 Florida 1-1
21 Notre Dame 1-1
22 Baylor 2-0
23 Washington 1-0
24 TCU 1-1
25 Ole Miss 2-0
AP POLL
Rk Team Record
1 Alabama (57) 1-0
2 Oregon (1) 2-0
3 Clemson (1) 2-0
4 Ohio State (1) 2-0
5 Stanford 1-0
6 Texas A&M 2-0
7 Louisville 2-0
8 LSU 2-0
9 Georgia 1-1
10 Florida State 1-0
11 Michigan 2-0
12 Oklahoma State 2-0
13 South Carolina 1-1
14 Oklahoma 2-0
15 Miami 2-0
16 UCLA 1-0
17 Northwestern 2-0
18 Florida 1-1
19 Washington 1-0
20 Wisconsin 2-0
21 Notre Dame 1-1
22 Baylor 2-0
23 Nebraska 2-0
24 TCU 1-1
25 Ole Miss 2-0

In a move sure to draw frustration from fans, Ohio State fell in the AP Poll for the second straight week. Unlike last week, though, the Buckeyes also fell in the Coaches Poll, which is part of the BCS formula. 

Ohio State was ranked second in both polls when they were released in August. Two weeks into the season, OSU is fourth in the AP and third in the Coaches. However, getting upset over polls in early September is useless. Eleven games still remain for the Buckeyes (if they advance to the Big Ten title game), so the season will play itself out.

On the AP side, the Michigan Wolverines are ranked No. 11, Northwestern checks in at No. 17, Wisconsin at No. 20 and Nebraska at No. 23, giving the Big Ten five ranked teams. The Coaches poll likes the Big Ten a little better, putting Nebraska No. 15 Northwestern No. 16 and Wisconsin No. 18. The Wolverines do register one spot lower in the Coaches Poll, however, checking in at No. 12.


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LadyBuck's picture

At this time, I can't blame the voters. Alabama has their own stigma and will remain on top until they lose, Oregon has been impressive after Chip Kelly left, and Clemson has played better teams while winning than us. I am okay with this.

FitzBuck's picture

Clemson has played one good team.  Fixed that for you.  

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

LadyBuck's picture

Which is more than we have.

razrback16's picture

I'm not upset at all -- AP Poll is 100% irrelevant.
The Coaches poll, while I don't think it makes a lot of sense for Oregon to jump us based on the quality of opponents they've played (it would've made more sense in my book for Clemson to jump us), we have played two terrible teams. We'll play a better opponent this week and then we should be play a couple of good teams in weeks 5 and 6 in Wisconsin & Northwestern. If we can take care of business there, that will help our SoS significantly going forward.

Kyle Rowland's picture

I get the logic about the AP Poll, but it's completely flawed. It may not be part of the BCS formula, but it still crowns a national champion and is one of two major polls. It was less than a year ago that OSU fans were clamoring for an AP national title. Don't say it's irrelevent now. 

N8thegr8's picture

^ Yes. This x10

"Play for Ohio State or get beat by Ohio State. That simple." - Kirk Barton 

Aesculus.'s picture

It's irrelevant to me as of right now.  It was a year ago, as you say.   I can change my mind just like the freeking voters do.

11/8/2014 @Michigan State aka Payback

razrback16's picture

It is irrelevant. The only reason OSU fans cared last year is because it was the only poll we could be ranked in once the BCS rankings were released. Nothing flawed about that logic. It is a poll that means absolutely nothing unless you are ineligible for the rankings that matter.

Hoody Wayes's picture

It's unwise to sit in judgment of Ohio State fans on an Ohio State fansite. 
Don't show contempt for your audience.

Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

I shouldn't believe that the AP poll is irrelevant because some other gobs 'were clamoring for an AP national title' a year ago?
Brilliant.
The AP Poll is irrelevant. The AP "national championship" is irrelevant.
That some people were hoping for some sort of acknowledgement to help ease their frustration over last season's bowl ban doesn't lessen those two facts.
 

Gulfstreambuckeye's picture

Funny a writer sticking up for the AP.

Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust...but life goes on.

Kyle Rowland's picture

We can agree to disagree, but I'm just telling you it's not irrelevant. Two major polls have legitimate national champions - Coaches and AP. That's what every single school, record keeper, etc. tracks. They are the polls of record in college football. It's as simple as that. I understand that the BCS exists now and winning that (AKA the Coaches Poll) is perceived as the "real" national champion. But the AP is every bit as relevant. 

Nick's picture

I can see your argument for that this year. But next year the AP poll is worthless.

Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

You're making an argument for the world of 1996 when it's actually 2013.
The AP was still part of the BCS equation in 2003, yet even then nobody paid serious attention to the USC 'AP National Champions' (except of course for USC fans) other than as the butt of jokes.
Butthurt over it's impotence the AP decided to take it's ball and go home when it withdrew from the BCS a year later. At that point it's relevance ended. 
Oh sure someday they'll vote a Boise State or similar nobody as NC just to try and prove a point...but nobody will care, except to chuckle.
The AP is now just as relevant as the National Football Foundation poll.

Gulfstreambuckeye's picture

I was just yanking your chain.
I personally think Ohio state is 5th or 6th best team in the nation right now. I hate to say it but they haven't looked good for four quarters against two cupcakes.
They should get to 1st or 2nd by the end of the year. Looking like they will have to beat down scum twice and im good with that.

Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust...but life goes on.

Aesculus.'s picture

Ok, I don't mean to harp on this but....  Your opinion is that it's relevant, that's fine.  But in the minds of most college football fans, I'd argue that the AP is not relevant most of the time.  I'd argue that it has been relevant in the past.  Sure, there is a lengthy record and it's considered a major poll, but since 1998 the AP has rarely been relevant to the vast majority of fans.  
I think, relevance is subjective, not objective.  Go Bucks!
 

11/8/2014 @Michigan State aka Payback

brandonbauer87's picture

The AP poll isn't irrelevant. I said it last week, and this week it comes true. The Coaches Poll follows the AP, with a 1-week delay. Right or wrong, coaches don't pay attention to the games and just follow the lead of the AP. 

vitaminB's picture

Inside the mind of the coaches (or video coordinators who actually cast vots) Oregon's win this week looks a lot better.  They blew out Virginia who last week beat BYU, who just wholuped a 15th ranked Texas team.  We beat a team that lost to an FCS school in week 1.  I knew they would jump us. 

EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Great way to look at it. On the bus out of Evanston, we'll know a lot more about how the season will play out.

Corvas's picture

I'm fine with both Oregon and Clemson jumping us. Clemson has a great OOC win, and Oregon has at least gone on the road against a BCS conference team.

WildBear Buckeye's picture

^^^^This.
What has Ohio State done to justify complaining about falling behind two undefeated teams?

DaiTheFlu's picture

The better question is, what has Oregon done to justify passing Ohio State? They beat a BAD FCS team in week 1 and a hapless UVA team yesterday. It's ridiculous that voters are so enamored with a team that puts up 66 points, regardless of the level of competition. Oregon does this every year, puts up tons of points on worthless competition then wilts against big time opponenets.
 
I don't have an issue with Clemson passing us, as they beat a legit Georgia team.

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

WildBear Buckeye's picture

I don't see why that's a better question. When Oregon wilts against big time opponents later this year, the polls will reflect that. Oregon actually "deserved" to be ranked ahead of Ohio State in the preseason, as much as any preseason rankings are "deserved". If at the end of the season Oregon and OSU have the same number of losses and Oregon goes to the NCG over OSU, there can be a serious debate about whether that's fair. That debate will be based on each teams performance during the 2013 season. Until then, what is there to complain about?

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

If Ohio State's D had looked as bad as Clemson's did against Georgia, there is no way they'd get this kind of bump.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

WildBear Buckeye's picture

Georgia is a top 10 team. The bump is for beating them. And if Ohio State had a win over a top 10 team on this year's resume they'd be ranked #1, no questions asked.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

You think Ohio State giving up 35pts, and 545 total yards of offense at home would get them a #1 ranking? I don't.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Baroclinicity's picture

It just doesn't matter.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

BuckGnome's picture

Didn't help that Buffalo got steamrolled 70-13 by Baylor, giving up 781 yards in the process.

81Alum's picture

Hit the nail on the head. Like it or not, style points matter. I get that you can't compare wins, but Baylor did better than us, and we beat SDSU, a team that lost last week to an FCS team, by "only" 35 points. We needed to win both games by 50+ points to look "national title caliber".
It's still early, but with our SOS, we better start winning big to control our own destiny, otherwise we'll be depending on the teams ahead of us to lose.

Hoody Wayes's picture

Again...right. Had Ohio State beaten Buffalo 70-13 and SDSU 42-7, the Bucks would be #2 in both polls.

Hoody Wayes's picture

You're right.
Plus, think of what have we been hearing, leading up to this season: "You know what Urban Meyer does in season twos." and "Braxton Miller is the Heisman front-runner." 
The pollsters are saying, "Ohio State buffaloed us."
This is what you get from a subjective system that dares to do what should - and must - be done on the gridiron. "Playoffs!"

OSUnathen's picture

Glad we aren't 2 because I'm not ready for number 1 ranking target on our back after Alabama loses to A/M.

cajunbuckeye's picture

It's pure bullsh*t. How do you blow out a team with your starting QB on the sideline and fall a spot on style points. 42 points with your heisman candidate QB, your best RB's, and your center hanging on the sideline. Give me a f$%#ing break.

An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches

WildBear Buckeye's picture

The only thing I find strange about this is that Clemson jumped OSU this week, not last. Based on the strength of their win over Georgia they deserve to be ranked #2, imho. As for Oregon vs OSU - I don't see much of an argument for OSU being ranked ahead of Oregon. I don't see much of an argument for Oregon being ranked ahead of OSU either though - it's a tossup. If OSU started the year at 3 behind Bama and Oregon, then got jumped by Clemson after Clemson beat Georgia, nobody would be complaining.

cajunbuckeye's picture

An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches

Gulfstreambuckeye's picture

Speak for yourself my farts could gag a billy goat.

Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust...but life goes on.

Poison nuts's picture

So awesome. Mouth farting...yes.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

81Alum's picture

Voters don't watch all the games, all they see is the final score, so they wouldn't know any of the details.

Seabass1974's picture

make me a voter then I watch all the games

The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender. - Woody Hayes

Ultrabuckeyehomer's picture

Okay, Miller is not a Heisman candidate ... period. Please, people, he is not going to win the Heisman.  Stop the nonsense.

ih8rolltyde's picture

nonsense

****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in.  FACT

DLB1276's picture

Use it for motivation. That's all it's good for until late November anyway.

Hovenaut's picture

This team needs to keep plugging away to improve each week on the field, focusing on what they can control.

I'm confident in doing that, the voters will come around.

"Success...it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

WildBear Buckeye's picture

I think the SOS will be there by the end of season. Wisconsin is ranked. Northwestern is ranked. Michigan is on the doorstep of top 10.
If the rankings look like this heading into B1GCG, with both Oregon and Clemson still undefeated and ranked ahead of OSU - then I might worry. But when was the last time there were more than two undefeated teams at bowl selection time? There's a reason it doesn't happen often.

Hovenaut's picture

Agreed regarding SOS, and it's about time for the B1G.

Oregon and Clemson look the part now, but there is a long way to go. With the exception of USC and Colorado, the PAC12 is much better on the whole this year. Clemson always seems to fall on their face somewhere down the line. Their schedule looks very much in their favor, with the regular season finale at SCAR looking huge.

"Success...it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

WildBear Buckeye's picture

Oregon plays at Stanford and at Arizona in November. Stanford has already shown they can handle Oregon's offense, and RR is building an offensive juggernaut of his own with Arizona, so that won't be a gimme game for Oregon either. Plenty of opportunities for Oregon to fall on its face. Even Wazzu might not be completely impotent under Mike Leach. EDIT: Forgot about UCLA, they're no gimme either. Oregon actually has a pretty tough schedule.
Other than SCAR, the one other game I'd circle for Clemson is FSU. Two teams with a history of falling on their faces. Who remains standing?

Nick's picture

Clemson loses the games you don't think they will lose. Someone like Syracuse will beat them.

scarpenter614's picture

My only complaint is that Alabama hasn't dropped.  Based on the first 2 games of this season, not last season, Clemson should be #1, and then after that there are a bunch of teams that have won big over overmatched opponents.  Some have won bigger than others but it's just too early to discern who is better between all of them.  However, what I like is that UFM will take the drop in the polls to make the team angrier and angrier.  He wants a pissed off football team and dropping 2 weeks in a row would certainly piss me off if I was one of the players.

ScarletNGrey01's picture

Based on the results from the SECOND week don't understand why the standings for the top five should have changed.  Maybe the pollsters are dinging the bucks for having an injury prone (in their minds, I'm a huge BMill fan) starting QB???  Appears that you have to humiliate an "inferior" opponent on the scoreboard or suffer the consequences.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

WildBear Buckeye's picture

I think you may very well be right about pollsters dinging OSU for seeming uncertainty about Miller. I agree that SECOND week results didn't warrant any change in the top 5.
 

tussey's picture

Why is Florida still ranked?

Kurt's picture

Thank you.  Unbelievable that they only drop 6 spots.  But I guess, you know, the narrative has changed and Miami was underanked.

cinserious's picture

If you'll notice, the AP poll seems to have a huge man-crush on the SEC. Florida is ranked but not Texas. All of their SEC teams are higher than the Coaches Poll. AP has Miami higher because they beat a (you guessed it) team. Clemson, HIGHER. It'll be funny when FLorida ST. beats Miami AND Clemson.
The Coaches Poll seems to be more knowledgeable about what these teams are really capable of, strengths, weaknesses, depth. Do you think the AP voters care that Braxton Miller's backup is the best backup in the country? No, they are too busy drooling over everything SEC. From here on out, the Coaches Poll is all I will look at until the 1st BCS polls.

Gone ham, be back soon...

northcampus's picture

I have no problem with OSU sliding down a spot.  The poll system is always going to work in favor of Ohio State because the reputation of past success provides the voters with the assumption to give us the benefit of the doubt nearly every single season, allowing the Bucks to have a head start in the polls, when in some cases (2011) they have no business being ranked as high as they are.  
Braxton Miller's injury is (in my opinion) the main reason we dropped.  The Big Ten did well for itself this weekend as Illinois, Northwestern, and mainly Michigan all secured big non-league wins.  As long as OSU wins out, the rankings won't matter.  If Clemson, Alabama, and OSU are all undefeated at the end of the season, OSU and Alabama will play for the title and I am fairly confident in that assumption.

Haybucks's picture

Florida State's Heisman winning QB Chris Weinke didn't hurt his team's rankings when he went out with a broken neck in '98.  He did hurt his teams chances of winning when backup freshman Marcus Outzen had to play in the BCS title game against Tennessee.

I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.
- Edward Gibbon
 

ChillitownBuck30's picture

If the big ten keeps winning, and tOSU goes undefeated these polls from today won't mean $hit.  We will have played 3 teams in the top 25.  Maybe four if Illinois keeps surprising.

“Show class, have pride, and display character. If you do, winning takes care of itself.”

KingsRite's picture

I think the #2 standing at the beginning of the season was more sympathy and OSU going undefeated last year. Now it appears we are sliding down where we probably should have been to begin with. Right now I think we are definitely a Top 10 team but I don't know about Top 5. 

“I have yet to be in a game where luck was involved. Well-prepared players make plays. I have yet to be in a game where the most prepared team didn't win.” -Urban Meyer-

Mirror Lake Jump's picture

The ranking will all sort themselves out in time.

luckynutz's picture

I find it funny how the georgia win is a big deal THIS week for clemson. You know, since they beat South carolina this week. Who had a huge win week 1 over UNC. Could it be that neither UGA nor USCe are as good as advertised? Look...I know our OOC schedule isn't murderers row. But these perceived big wins for these programs are based on perception and hype built last year. Same as ours no doubt...but oh well. The narrative is controlled by the people who write for a living...I'm not too worried about what they think about our team. What I saw yesterday was a backup QB run the offense flawlessly and a hungry and motivated defense control their opponent. They will get to see what this team is all about when conference play opens up...two tough matchups out of the gate in Wisky and NW. And Cal should be a solid barometer for the young defense...cross country trip, first real hostile environment they will face and a very unfamiliar type of offense they will face. This poll in week 2 means very little to me...if it was week 11 I'd be more upset.

BuckeyeOfTheTiger's picture

Clemson beat South Carolina State Univ. (an FCS team) this week, not USC.

BuckeyeOfTheTiger's picture

oh sorry, you were saying UGA beat USC, not Clemson. my bad

pjtobin's picture

Come November I will be paying attention. Until then I just hope we stay in the top ten. If we don't lose any games we play for nc. Just my theory. 

Bury me in my away jersey, with my buckeye blanket. A diehard who died young. Rip dad. 

xbrax360's picture

Out of curiousity, why is Oregon state on one poll and Oklahoma state on the other

"What Kind Of Speed Does HE Have"

Jason Priestas's picture

That was a strategic decision to get you to comment. Because we feel you don't comment enough.

Oyster's picture

You people have way too much control over our lives...

xbrax360's picture

Get out of my mind!

"What Kind Of Speed Does HE Have"

Jack Fu's picture

This is the reason why preseason polls need to be abolished. If this was the first poll released this season, there would be 1/10 the outrage. People would have the perspective to take a step back and say "Alabama is the two-time defending national champs, they beat a BCS conference team in week one and had a bye; I have no problem with them being #1. We all knew Oregon would have a ton of talent, but we were wondering if losing Chip Kelly would affect how they play. Through two games they've curbstomped two teams, one of them a BCS conference foe on the road. Voters concerns have been assuaged; it's understandable that Oregon is #2. Clemson beat a top 10 team (and that team proved its bona fides by bouncing back and beating South Carolina); I have no problem with them being #3. They've all accomplished more than OSU has so far this season."
But because we have this frame of reference that voters thought OSU would be the 2nd best team in the country - back when they hadn't seen a single down of football this year - the fact that they now think we've been the 4th-best team so far is somehow this huge insult, because it invokes the mythical notion of the pollsters "dropping" the Buckeyes. It's a ridiculous notion, and preseason polls are a ridiculous part of this system, because they lead to our fans saying "what did the Buckeyes do to lose their #2 ranking?" The appropriate question should be "what did they do to earn it in the first place?"
Win the games and it will all shake out. God, I hate that this is somehow an issue.

cinserious's picture

Texas toast!

Gone ham, be back soon...

Buckeye Joey Vegas's picture

At this rate, we will be rated #13 after we go undefeated. What a crock!!!

Knarcisi's picture

Easy does it. Very early. 3 things:
1. We will need to be undefeated (13-0) to get to the BCS championship game. 
2. A 13-0 Ohio State team does not get left out of a BCS championship game. Not on any planet, any time. We simply have too much draw. 
3. We will need to be 26-0 for 2012-13 before we start getting any respect. 
One week at a time.  Water seeks its own level.