Maryland to Become Big Ten's 13th School

By Jason Priestas on November 19, 2012 at 10:46a
231 Comments

Welp, this pretty much makes things real.

The Maryland Terrapins will become the Big Ten's 13th member, beginning play in the 2014-15 season.

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osu07asu10's picture

Not a huge fan, but whatever. Welcome Terps!

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

osu07asu10's picture

Crabcakes and (B1G) football, thats what Maryland does!!!!!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_2ADWBZgS8

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RedStorm45's picture

...you mean mediocre football

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

bigger Delaney scheme..SHOW YOURSELF!

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Poison nuts's picture

Soon please.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

pcon258's picture

I would be very surprised if the direct goal of this is not to entice some combination of notre dame/oklahoma/texas to join. If not, I don't know how this move plays out, especially in the short term

Nappy's picture

So is it pretty much a forgone conclusion that Rutgers will be next or is there still a chance we add a different school that doesn't suck?

Fan of bacon since 1981

Deshaun's picture

To B1G HQ: Please please PLEASE take a moment to consider options before adding Rutgers. There is no immediate rush to add a 14th school before Thanksgiving 2012. There are far better choices for the Big Ten than Rutgers, the #68 ranked academic school with an endowment under $0.5B, a football prestige ranking of #101, terrible basketball, an average of 158.17 points per year in the Learfield Sports Directors Cup over the past 3 years, and an unsure promise of 2 large media markets which have grown at 2.1% and 4.5% rates since 2000 (New York and New Jersey, respectively).

Deshaun's picture

Every current B1G school except Nebraska has an endowment over $700M. Obviously, Rutgers adds little in the way of football or basketball competitiveness/tradition. As far as overall athletic departments go, Purdue has been our lowest scoring member, averaging 464.50. By comparison, Ohio State has averaged 1,277.05 over that span. Maryland adds a solid 728.00, better football all-time (somehow ranked 31 by ESPN prestige rankings) with better prospects in the future (Under Armour's flagship, approximately 6.67 NFL draft picks per year from Maryland/DC high schools (12th best rate in country), far better basketball, a state that has grown 9.0% since 2000, and over $400M in research spending in 2009 alone (most recent data available). Maryland is a good move, if paired with 1-3 appropriate partners. Rutgers may not have the demand necessary in the NYC market to necessitate a move to basic tiers of cable/satellite providers' packages the way Nebraska's inclusion necessitated such a move in its market.

brglr14's picture

STUPID

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ClevelandGuy's picture

this doesn't help basketball, and it sure doesn't help our football. don't like this move

born and raised in Cleveland

pompano buckeye's picture

Owwwwww!  My eyes...I can feel the burning in the retinas even as I type.  To now be closely associated with those uniforms really, really hurts!
But, welcome to the club, Turtles.

“...indomitable in victory, insufferable in defeat.” Woody Hayes

BROSEPH's picture

Maryland Basketball fits perfectly with the strength and style of Big 10 basketball.. Football I agree, though.

DaveCHS's picture

Their basketball team was good...once. And they should really raise the Big1G's profile in lacrosse too.

pcon258's picture

that second part must've sealed the deal for delaney. LAX. 

buckeyedude's picture

Do they play hockey in Maryland?

 

 

SPreston2001's picture

Wow just great. Another subpar school...
 

AltaBuck's picture

Can the BIG make their acceptance contingent on Maryland NOT wearing those butt ugly uniforms?

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Matt20Buckeye's picture

Im not a fan of this. I hope its part of a big plan to get to 16 teams with the 15th and 16th being relevent in football.

BROSEPH's picture

I'm interested in hearing what will happen with the divions now.  Will they just add one to each, but that doesn't make sense geographically (though nothing does anymore with these conferences).  Or will they just make a more East West breakdown with
EAST: OSU, Mich, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana, Purdue
WEST: Wisc, Neb, Iowa, Minn, NW,Illinois, MSU
Or if they wanna keep rivalries in the same divison... it gets complicated.  
 
I think OSU and Michigan should be in the same division, it would ensure that they always play and it makes scheduling a lot easier.  
 

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

The divisions aren't supposed to be geographic in nature...they just happen to be about 90% so.  The easiest thing would be to put Maryland in one division, Rutgers in the other, and have Maryland vs. Rutgers be a protected crossover. 
That said, I wouldn't complain if they realigned the divisions.  I don't see it happening.  Delany has his B1G championship game with the hope that it's OSU/TSUN most years.  There are pros and cons to that.  I wouldn't mind seeing your division lineup, though.  As cool as it would be to have OSU/TSUN twice in one year, I just wonder about the scenario where both teams are 11-0 coming into The Game, one team wins The Game, and then they rematch and the other team wins the B1G CG.  I'd prefer to see them in the same division, but that's just one man's opinion.

Class of 2010.

JasonBuck's picture

Well looks like we'll see Stefon Diggs every year in football, we'll make me wish he signed with tOSU even more!  However, I agree with everyone else, this is a silly move, I hope there's a bigger plan at play here!

jkrk's picture

It's probably gonna make Diggs wish he signed with us too.

andyb's picture

^^^^^^  This
 
I'm going to hate trying to defend against him...watching his highlights this year really make me think we missed one here!
 
Possibility of a Boren-esque transfer??? (fingers crossed)

zachofaltrades's picture

But he's probably having so much fun catching passes from converted linebackers!

Riggins's picture

As I said in the forums, adding Maryland and Rutgers is just leverage to get some 2-team combination of Texas, Notre Dame, UNC, or Georgia Tech.  That would put us at 16 with an incredible geographic footprint and academic excellence.

Boxley's picture

I hope you are correct, that there is more to the plan than this.
It makes a little sense financially, but adds nothing prestige wise to the conference. I think that Georgia Tech is in play here, no way ND is though, especially with their current run.

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andyb's picture

UNC would never come without Duke (I don't want either team for football)
 
Texas would be awesome as would ND but I do not think that is going to happen.

Colin's picture

I remember this theory circulating back when we got Nebraska. It's not happening. Notre Dame doesn't want anything to do with us and Texas is too important to that state and the other universities in that conference. Texas runs the Big 12 and their program makes more money than any other school in the country, why would they come here...

TLB's picture

I don't think UNC will leave the ACC, just because of the basketball rivalry with Duke.
I can see Texas and Ga. Tech, they both make sense in Delany's world of footprints.

cplunk's picture

You think UNC would turn down tens of millions of dollars for two basketball games a year?
They'd join and schedule a home and home or a single game. They dont need to be in the ACC to play Duke. 
As with many things in life, follow the money and whatever it leads you to, no matter how seemingly illogical or distasteful, is what will happen.

TLB's picture

they also have NC State to consider.
Could be VA and GA Tech.

kevinfrenchfry's picture

wtf I HATE THIS, has jim delany completely given up on the b1g's national image, how does this help the conference. the only benefit im seeing is seeing an ohio state db knock stefon diggs into next week.

tennbuckeye19's picture

Am I the only one that doesn't see Maryland as a "Legend" or a "Leader"?

sharkvsghost's picture

we can throw them and Rutgers into the new division: "Lotsa TVs".

swing hard in case you hit it.

kperry316's picture

Well this sucks. Maryland. Really? We tell Missouri no but Maryland yes? Is Delaney crazy or stupid? 

“The minute we stop expecting greatness from our football program, we become Wisconsin.”

Craig Krenzel

Maestro's picture

I agree that Missouri made geographical sense, but that's about it.

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hodge's picture

Academic sense, as well.  They were an AAU member, and by all accounts were waiting with baited breath for us to come calling.  In all honesty, if we knew that Nebby was going to be ousted from the AAU before we invited them, we'd have probably poached Mizzou in their place.
If you're looking at this with the end goal of a 16 team superconference in mind, you could also construe the addition of Nebraska as Delaney's gambit to score their prized and ancient rival, Texas.  Nebraska is a traditional power of the Heartland, and a natural extension to our footprint (which previously ended in Iowa); with them in tow, their old conference-mates Texas become a plausable goal (especially when you consider their academics and national brand), especially if you have the money necessary to entice them (which a tapped NYC market could provide).
As the great philosphers the Wu Tang Clan famously said:

"Cash rules everything around me, C.R.E.A.M. get the money, dolla' dolla' bills, y'all."

Maestro's picture

Personally I wanted Missouri because it meant I could be 2 hours from Buckeye games, but having lived in Kansas City for the better part of 20 years I can say that Mizzou just lacks a certain something as an athletic program.  I'll put my faith in those running the B1G.

vacuuming sucks

Denny's picture

NO BUT FOR REAL LIKE THEIR JERSEYS ARE UGLY AND STUFF STOP IT HODGE

Taquitos.

buckeyedude's picture

I think Oklahoma would be more likely than Texas. Texas is like ND. Arrogant.

 

 

cplunk's picture

Dollars. Maryland > Missouri because the BTN gets a higher rate for all cable subscribers in MD, DC, and NVA due to the way their contract is written. 
Plus, as I think people have been saying, the choices of MD and Rutgers are strategic- for cash, for recruiting base, and for levarage on teams that are big fish. You can't evaluate the additions on their own.
 

Maestro's picture

When charter members start leaving conferences you have to pay attention IMHO.  60 years of ACC membership done.  Very interested to see where this is headed.

vacuuming sucks

btalbert25's picture

Absolutely, if a charter member will jump ship, anyone will jump ship.  I'm not sure how much it had to do with the ACC not being adequate of them being pissed off about the concessions made for Notre Dame.  The ACC always had a policy of no partial members, then they caved and let Notre Dame become a partial member.  Now one domino has fallen, and others in that conference are in play Delaney is weakening that conference and making Notre Dames' deal with them a lot less valuable. Pretty sly move on his part.

hodge's picture

Remember everyone, Jim Delaney is a cross between Napoleon, Machiavelli, and Emporer Palpatine; there's a reason for everything he does, even if we do not see the wisdom at this very moment.  If this is indeed the steps required to get to a sixteen team superconference of doom--and you can bet that the last two teams will be something of substance (speculation in our own forums about Texas and ND)--I'm all for it.
Remember, football's growing in the NE Corridor, this move--when coupled with the now immenent Rutgers defection--will solidify the Big Ten's footprint in the area, and may well could be the impetus for the tapping of the NYC market.  Remember, Fox (who's coupled with the BTN) just bought a 50% stake in the YES Network; this is how the BTN will get its foot in the door.  If the revenue is as good as advertised (which Delaney thinks it will be), we'll be beating away marquee teams with a stick.  
Read this, Derek is a smart man.

beserkr29's picture

Also, since Hodge did a much better job explaining things and had more details, this.

Denny's picture

"Lookit me! I'm Hodge and I use logical things and don't talk about ugly jerseys and shoehorned tribalism! Rawr!'

Nice try, buddy. You can't convince me!

Taquitos.

Pam's picture

Delany is the Steve Jobs of CFB. Jobs never used focus groups. He gave us what we wanted and needed before we knew what we wanted and needed. No one ever got rich underestimating Jim Delany.

phxbuck's picture

Is this a serious comment or are you being sarcastic?  Please say sarcastic. 

Pam's picture

Totally serious

RedStorm45's picture

I hope the totally serious comment is sarcastic.

RedStorm45's picture

Then your original comment really has no basis other than the two men did things their own way and didn't follow suit of other leaders/CEOs.  Is Jim Delaney changing the way we communicate and obtain information? No.  Is he changing the way collegegiate athletics is run or aligned? No.  Is he this great innovator bringing to market products/services never before seen? No.  Is he updating and upgrading the way college sports have been done previously? No.  Would Jim Delaney be regarded as a visionary? No.  I could go on, but the point has been made.  Equating the Apple brand to the BTN and the additions of Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers is (I'll be nice here) just silly.

Pam's picture

Clearly you have no idea what impact Jim Delany has had on CFB/BB.

hodge's picture

A few of Delaney's accomplishments, per his Wiki:

  • The creation of the Big Ten Network
  • The expansion of the conference to 11 schools with the addition of Penn State University in 1990, and then to 12 teams with the addition of the University of Nebraska in 2011.
  • Guaranteed participation for Big Ten schools in seven different bowl games
  • Development and implementation of the first college football instant replay system
  • An increase in average Big Ten football game attendance from 58,000 per game to 72,000 per game by 2005
  • Negotiations with CBS to achieve a US$6 billion 11-year contract for men's basketball NCAA tournament games
RedStorm45's picture

You guys are insane if you are going to compare that list of "accomplishments" with founding Apple and Pixar.  Insane.

hodge's picture

They're not on par.  The idea is to draw a parallel.  If I say Jobs was a relentless innovator and ruthless patent enforcer like Thomas Edison, I'm not saying they're equals--I'm merely equating the similarities in their approach.

RedStorm45's picture

The original post was Delaney is the Steve Jobs of CFB.  That implies they are equals.  There is NOT a Steve Jobs of college athletics unless one person invented the idea of conferences and the sport of basketball or something along those lines.

Pam's picture

Steve Jobs didn't invent the movies. Steve Jobs didn't invent electronics. He took them to a whole different level. Jim Delany has done the same for the BIG. How many people thought Apple was nuts in '76? How many people thought the BTN was nuts? How many people were flat out wrong?

RedStorm45's picture

He did completely revolutionize the music industry.  He completely revolutionized animated movies.  He completely revolutionized phones, computers, tablets, etc.  Coming up with a television network revolving around conference athletics doesn't really compare.  You're talking about college sports.  Games.  And adding Rutgers and Maryland elicits a "Jim Delaney is the Steve Jobs of CFB"...absolute nonsense.  The vast majority of households in this country have some type of Apple product or a Pixar movie.  The BTN isn't everywhere, and it works where it does because the fans of those schools don't have much of a choice if they want to watch the game when BTN picks it up.  There's no a lot of choices with phones, mp3 players, tablets, etc. but Apple is still selling products in record numbers.  If you're a fan of a big ten school, you don't have a choice of a different channel to watch your team play.  
 
But yes, in the sense that many people doubted one of their moves, I guess that is a valid comparison.  Then again, most big ideas or companies have their doubters from the start.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

I have a lot of respect for Jim Delany, but the idea that college football is becoming a big deal in the Northeast, or that even a small part of the New York-Philly corridor will ever care about Rutgers sports, seems like a pipe dream.
Maryland, though, I get.

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hodge's picture

Not Rutgers, the Big Ten.  NYC is filled with East Coast and Midwestern ex-pats.  NYC won't just be watching Rutgers, they'll be watching their favorite Big Ten teams (which have a sizable share in NYC) like ND (Delaney's endgame), PSU, Michigan, and OSU.

Pam's picture

We posted the same thing at the exact same time. Great minds.....

Pam's picture

It doesn't matter if anyone in the NE cares about Rutgers. It is who they will play that matters. There is a huge BIG fan base here. Rutgers will never see the type of demand for tickets if this happens

btalbert25's picture

It doesn't matter who watches period if Fox forces carriers of YES to add the BTN.  The BTN will be on all their TVs anyway.

beserkr29's picture

Academically and financially, this is a great move, considering DC and (when Rutgers comes along) NY/NJ are the biggest and fastest growing tv markets.  Athletically, these are solidly "meh" moves that really water down the B1G even more for football.

Denny's picture

Academically and financially >>>>

Taquitos.

notoriouswojo's picture

Good move B1G Ten. This was the right move with the current landscape. Nice job. Welcome you strangely painted Turtles. 

Denny's picture

WOOOOOOOOOOOO I GET TO SEE TAKE THE METRO TO SEE THE BUCKEYES PLAY EVERY OTHER YEAR WOOOOOOOOOOO

Taquitos.

cplunk's picture

Yeah, from the selfish side of things I am equally excited!! Living in northern virginia I only get to see them once a year. Now I'll get to add anytime they come to MD to that.

703Buckeye's picture

I'll be taking the new silver line to the games in two years.

"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter

sharkvsghost's picture

as a DC resident, this is the biggest upside.

swing hard in case you hit it.

matti's picture

thanks for grabbing the cash again delany! really maryland and rutgers probably tommarow hopefully this wont go into next years conference also many ?s
this mean we play 9 conference games?
is there a total realignment? if so tOSU and scum same division ...
final question just why the f*ck u doing this the big ten really didnt need it 12 was good 14 is crap

BuckNutInAnnArbor's picture

Crab cakes for everyone!
This will be fun for basketball... But that's about it.

"...but then again 'Michigan' and 'huge mistake' are synonymous so that shouldn't have been much of a surprise to anybody."  - Mark Titus

RedStorm45's picture

Except they've made the tournament 2 times the last 5 years...as a 10 and a 4 seed.  So there's that.

Buckeyes_Terrapins's picture

Football: subpar; basketball: par; non-revenue sports: par or better; academics: par; television market: superior. This is a good move for everyone. Come on, show some love!

zachofaltrades's picture

There have been a lot of good recruits out of Jersey/MD lately.  This move will help us get some of those studs.  (Stephon Diggs)

vwhiegs57's picture

the only thing Maryland will bring to the B1G is Under Armor and those ugly ass uniforms. that is all.

Oyster's picture

Has anyone considered the impact of Maryland joning the B1G and the effect it will have on the Illibuck trophy?

Poison nuts's picture

Nice!

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

One thing we don't have to worry about: Because Illibuck is an inanimate object, Illibuck won't mind if Testudo tries to hump it.

Denny's picture

Giggity.

Taquitos.

Alhan's picture

"Nom nom nom" - Brady Hoke

jfunk's picture

Dang it, you beat me to this.
 
Maybe we could mix Illibuck up a little bit. Winner of the OSU-Illinois game gets to have Maryland on their schedule the following year and a guaranteed win...
 
Edit: ESPiN now saying that Illinois would be bumped to the Legends Division (did I get that right?). Not exactly thrilled by this as Illibuck is our only trophy game.

Scotch: It may be too early to drink it, yes; but people it is never to early to think about it.

Whosisbrew's picture


Put this in the Buckshots bit as well, but still poignant.

Hasbro's picture

How soon does this go into effect?

phxbuck's picture

Crab cakes and mediocre Footbal, That's what Maryland does!!!!

Run_Fido_Run's picture

You forgot traffic jams, high taxes, stevedore unions, and rampant crime.  

Bucks43201's picture

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

Denny's picture

Man, there's a lot of navel-gazing B1G smugness going on here.
A thought experiment: what if the B1G currently had Maryland, and Indiana or Iowa were to join the conference now? The comments would be even more harsh. This is a very logical move.

Taquitos.

Buckeyes_Terrapins's picture

Thank you for being reasonable.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Welcome to the Big Ten!
I'm pleased that a fine academic institution like U of M has been added to the Big Ten family. I gave you a hard time a few months ago by saying that academics is the only reason to invite Maryland; but the DC market is nice, too. 
I am still skeptical about the football component. What do we have to assume for this to add value to the Big Ten as a football conference? That Big Ten schools will have a stronger, more consistent recruiting presence not just in DC, but in the VA Tidewater region? It seems like V Tech has been much more consistent than Maryland in both areas. Maybe V Tech is due to decline? Does it really help PSU that Maryland is in the Big Ten, since it maybe strenghtens Maryland's hand (possibly a zero sum game)? Maybe Maryland will take advantage of the PSU vacuum (greatly reduced scholarship limits), but wouldn't that just cancel out?   

Buckeyes_Terrapins's picture

It looks pretty grim from a football standpoint. When I went to Terps games as a kid, they were never that good but at least the stadium was reasonably full. I think years of mediocrity finally wore down the fan base. That being said, Coach Edsall seems to be slowly turning the program around, albeit with a tremendously slow momentum. Stefon Diggs was hopefully indicative of things to come. But yeah, VT pretty much has the area on lockdown in terms of kids that want to stay in the area.

sharkvsghost's picture

I'll be more convinced of this move's logic when I see what the second phase of the plan is. My brain gets the TV money and academic component of this, but my gut feels like I was at an already cool party, and some lax bros just rolled in.

swing hard in case you hit it.

Whosisbrew's picture

Precisely, the whining going on in here right now is absurd. As if Indiana, Iowa, Purdue and Illinois are carrying the standards of the Big Ten high right now. Meanwhile Rutgers is 9-1 and eyeing a conference championship. ("BUT THE BIG EAST IS FOR THE LOSERZ SDJSDJGOIDSJD")

Oyster's picture

I would offer that many are looking at this from a competition perspective (in regards to the national reputation the B1G currently has in football) and not from a busness perspective.  The bottom line is:  College sports are big business and the B1G is moving to make sure they have a profitable product.

RBuck's picture

Gotta agree with you Denny. For all we know Maryland fans might think they can run all over the B1G because of the perceived weakness of the league this year.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

cplunk's picture

As a DC area resident, I can assure you Maryland football fans (all thirteen of them) are thinking no such thing.
Based on what I've heard both now and last time these rumors came up, Maryland fans think the following:
1) Ugh. I hate the Big Ten. Boring football and basketball. We have nothing in common with them.
2) We're going to lose our basketball rivalry with Duke (nevermind that Duke doesn't consider it a rivalry).
3) We're broke. How can we possibly afford the buyout from the ACC?
For most Maryland fans it is all about basketball. Their football team is a fun diversion but they don't take it seriously. Their general perception is that ACC basketball is better than B1G basketball and more exciting to watch. They love playing Duke and UNC and don't really care about playing Indiana, Michigan State, OSU, Wisconsin, etc.
Practically nobody in this area has positive thoughts about the move, except for a few that realize the long terms dollars.
 

brglr14's picture

thanks you helped prove many a point here. we already have enough like iowa and indiana

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Denny's picture

Conference realignment is an inevitable storm that's been building for quite some time, and it's been building around the cornerstone institutions.
You're high if you think there are better schools out there actually available.

Taquitos.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I'm fine with it because Maryland is an outstanding academic institution. I'd be annoyed if the Big Ten tried to take a mediocre football program that was also mediocre academically (e.g., Cincinnati).
I'll withhold judgment on how the football dominoes/dynamics play out.

toad1204's picture

I wish I could upvote this more than once.

Nothing like dancing on the field in 02... 

Doc's picture

Just plain dum.  Maryland is weak sauce and ads another Purdont to an already weak as shit B1G.  Yet another school for us to pummel on a sort of regular basis.
I get the finacial windfall the conference gets out of it, especially if Rutgers gets added in, but the prestige isn't there.  I'm guessing Darth Delenay has a master plan.

"Say my name."

SC Buckeye's picture

With a upcoming move to NJ for me, I am looking forward to being able to see the Buckeyes play closer to my new home

jedkat's picture

Maryland will be more relevant in football during the 2014-2015 season than Penn State.
 
Good Move.

"I was tired of trying to work my way around the back, so I just ran him over"

~ Joey Bosa

brglr14's picture

but not forever. like leasing a car

I dont know karate but i do know crazy and i'm not afraid to use it.
                           

741's picture

This dilutes the B1G, not enhances it in my opinion.
The only thing that makes sense from a football perspective is to add Notre Dame (and whoever else you want to make it a 14 or 16 team league).
Pie in the sky wishes of Texas joining the B1G would obviously also be great but there is no reason for that to ever occur that I can imagine.

BUCKfutter's picture

folks, as a lot of people have said, MD and Rutgers is all about TV, geographical footprint, and making the conference more attractive dollars-wise. granted, if we stay at 14 with these two additions, it's terrible from a sheer football standpoint, but let's see who #15 and #16 are before we pass judgment. unless delany is even dumber than i think he is, there is no way he does this without a bigger endgame in mind.

the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS

Whosisbrew's picture

Delany's job is to make money for the people that employ him. In that regard, he's a bona fide genius. Very far from "dumb."

sharkvsghost's picture

exactly. this is why i'm witholding judgment. if we're going on the reasonable assumption that 16-team superconferences are inevitable, then this makes since as step in that direction. if this is a move just to get on basic cable in dc/nova, then it doesn't seem worth it to me. we'll see.

swing hard in case you hit it.

Philly White's picture

I will never not be misreable about this. 

NW Buckeye's picture

My only problem with this is my own belief that the larger the conference, the more volatile it is and the chance of losing teams increases.  With the projected size of the conference it is imperative that the B1G's revenue sharing be kept in tact, otherwise some members could perceive a "raw deal" and jump ship at the next best offer. 
Also, lot's of prognosticating about ND and Texas on here. I just don't see that happening as both schools have demonstrated their "better than thou" attitudes in regards to revenue so vehemently recently - UT by having the Longhorn Network, and ND by joining a major conference in all sports BUT football so they can continue to negotiate their own broadcast rights. 
More members in the B1G only dilutes the per school share of conference revenue.  Yes, that revenue will increase with more schools, and I can see the addition of NE schools as a move to grab more $$ from that region.  But, the ND's and UT's of the world do not want anyone telling them that they only get an equal share of league revenues.  That is one of the main reasons Nebraska jumped from the Big12, UT was the "tail wagging the dog".  There may indeed be a move to 16 B1G teams, but I just don't see those two big fish jumping into the boat, or certain members in that boat even wanting them in it. 

cplunk's picture

True, but if things get bad we can pickup the phone and be in any conference we want in about fifteen minutes. OSU always has an out. Bring TSUN along just to keep the rivalry.

hodge's picture

Good points, so I'll offer these in rebuttal:

  1. Conference revenue will be diluted with the addition of teams.

This is why we've poached Maryland and (soon to be) Rutgers.  The rapid expansion of football in the NE Corridor will allow for the Big Ten to be the conference to finally tap the lauded NYC market.  Fox's acquisition of YES will be the BTN's foot-in-the-door to said market, and it will probably be at least good for $100 million in revenue (with the potential for $200 million).  This will mean more money for all, even if shares are diluted with the addition of two more teams.  A successful capitalization of this market would lead to unprecedented exposure to Big Ten athletics, new recruiting grounds to tap, and--most importantly--more money, which will be used to...

2.  ND and Texas will not join the Big Ten.

Right now, no way.  But, with the increased revenue share provided by the BTN's footprint expanding to the East Coast, the Big Ten will be the only conference with the necessary cable distribution rights (extending from the East Coast to the Heartland) to effectively broadcast ND football to their largest target audiences, and the money to sway their decision.  It will simply be an opportunity too good to pass up for a national brand like Texas, who's floundered with the Longhorn Network (imagine their response to the ability to broadcast all their games across the Big Ten footprint, they'd be salivating like a starved homeless man at Ruth's Chris Steak House).  For ND, who's contract with NBC should be up for renegotiation soon, the BTN will again be a "too good to be true" opportunity to cash in on the (massive) shared revenue.
National brands like UT and ND will not only increase the BTN's footprint (and nationwide demand), but will also provide for even more  cash influx from the demand to see the two powers.  Who cares if the revenue is shared?  With ND, Texas, Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio State, and a resurgent (in a few years, when this comes to fruition) Penn State, you'll have six of the top ten brands in collegiate athletics.  Networks and providers will be sacrificing lambs to pegan gods for a chance to cash in on that kind of action.

aboynamedtracy's picture

Agreed entirely on point 1 and mostly with point #2. But my feeling is GA Tech is #15 for Atlanta's tv's. And then #16 will join (guessing Texas, but ND in play too) because...
I'm willing to bet #16 has already agreed to join contingent on the execution of the maneuvers we are now witnessing. And once # 13, 14 & 15 are on board, #16 falls right into place. I have no insider knowledge but this is how I think Jim Delaney rolls.

hodge's picture

You.  I like you.
Agreed on GT, they could be the wild card here.  My money says that they're a backup in case one of ND or Texas falls through.

theDuke's picture

can we remove Iowa so that Ferentz can't win the most overpayed "Coach of the Year" award anymore? THen we would have room for all four of these teams you speak of.  No seriously though, i heard there is grumbling that Penn St. wants out of the B1G... anybody know/heard anything of this?

theDuke

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I haven't followed the stories closely, but the Longhorn Network has had problems. When a big investment like that goes bad it could become a major drag on U. of Texas.
I'm purely guessing, but it wouldn't surpise me if Big Ten expansion got rolling again because UT powerbrokers started to freak out over the Longhorn Network. They call Delany and say, "hey, you know what we were talking about two years ago . . ."
Maybe the Big Ten will be able to overcome the problem you mention above - having to divide the pie 16 ways instead of 12 ways - by freakin' it blowing it out of the water: add Texas; Maryland and Rutgers (VA, DC, Phila, NYC/NJ markets), and G Tech (Atlanta) to the total t.v. package and perhaps it more than compensates.
In the meantime, all four institutions are huge, prestigious public research institutions.
The biggest issue then will be scheduling - we can say goodbye to numerous secondary "rivalries" (maybe that's why Urbz said not to mention Wisconsin and the "r word" in the same sentence, ha ha).  
 
 

Oyster's picture

If they go to 16 teams, the smart thing to do is drop the OOC games and you would cross divisions.  If something like that is not done, you could go way too long before having a team on the schedule.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Or maybe just a 9-game conference schedule: 7 in division, 1 inter-divisional rival, 1 flex game from the other division.
Still need 2.5 guaranteed additional home games for revenue.
Unless the new 16 team package is so lucrative that they can afford to forgo aproximately 1.5 home games/year? Then, they could do 10-game conference schedule.  

hodge's picture

It's also worth mentioning that the addition of two footprint-enhancing, revenue-generating "doormat" teams also improves our chances of scoring two more top tier teams because of the apparent lack of cannibalization.  Think about it: ND, Texas, and Nebraska in the West Division, and OSU, Michigan, and Penn State in the East, with a nine game conference slate (two crossover games, with seven division games), how could anyone not want to be a part of that?  Those six teams could potentially put 2-3 B1G schools in the playoff, with or without a conference championship appearance.  We'll have the top-level quality of the SEC, while enjoying the bottom-level crappiness that fails to cannibalize itself, a la the Big 12 and Pac 12.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Hodge: that's an excellent point about cannibalization.
One reason that I believe that SEC dominance is unsustainable (wishful thinking?) is that schools like T A&M, Tennessee, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Arkansas will not tolerate going 5-7 every year; yet statistically that's what they figure to do on average over the long run (obviously, when two SEC teams play eachother, one of them has to lose). Then, they overreact and fire their coaches every 2-3 years, perpetuating the cycles.
Another reason the SEC is unsustainable is that they punch way above their weight class, so to speak, in terms of t.v. markets and institutional-related economic factors.

Poe McKnoe's picture

Penn State News Conference at 3:30 announcing a move to the ACC??? :Finger Crossed:

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Ideal footprint is becoming apparent.  I'm calling 3 out of these 5:
1. Boston College
2. Syracuse
3. Notre Dame
4. Rutgers
5. Texas
Texas is longest shot, Rutgers would join in a heartbeat.
My preference is for Boston College, ND, and Syracuse, assuming that Texas is never going to happen.

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cplunk's picture

Need to add UNC and Georgia Tech. That's the backup plan if ND/Texas don't work out.
I think Rutgers is a given.

Doc's picture

Boston College over Rutgers any day. 
If that happens then Doug Flutie can be one of B1G's greatest players /sarcasm font.

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cplunk's picture

Boston College does not bring $0.90 per cable subscriber in the the NYC television market. They're not even in the ballpark in terms of revenue. 

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Would Syracuse?

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cplunk's picture

I'm unsure. I know that Rutgers and MD qualify in the BTN contract to bring in the NYC and DC markets even though both are technically out of state.
I believe Syracuse WOULD qualify since NYC is in state. I am not 100% on that.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Rutgers will be used as the leveraged chip to get ND to join in my opinion.  If the B1G lands two more team, especially if they are Syracuse, BC, and/or Texas, that will leave one more spot for a 16 team conference.  I see Rutgers joining upon invite, but once ND knows there's one spot left and they may not get that spot, they no longer have the luxury of procrastination. 

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Hovenaut's picture

Ohio native, MD resident. From a competitive standpoint (football -LOL, basketball - meh) adding Maryland may not have been the ideal choice, sure.

But since I don't get the chance to get home much anymore I'm pumped to get to College Park and root for the (real) home team.
Now I get to stand back and watch my family (the wife's) and friends, equal Terp and Nittany Lion faithful, see why it is what I am up close and personal.

At the very least maybe Illibuck is jealous......

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WangOSU's picture

It's a money grab, and Delaney knows what he is doing.
I don't like adding Maryland from an athletic standpoint, but it's more about money than anything else.

AltaBuck's picture

Is Ramzy happy?

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E2Brutus's picture

I really have to hope this is all part of some larger plan... Because EVERYONE, even Maryland, knows this does not enhance the Big Ten. If they can get some dominoes to fall by bringing in another ACC school like one of the Tech's or North Carolina then ok but this is just... BORING. Does this even make ESPN's front page? I'm actually asking bc I don't visit that site.

Brutus's picture

Not sure how i feel about this yet, but if expanding to include Maryland and Rutgers means one less UAB or New Mexico or another of the cupcakes we've scheduled recently, I don't see this as entirely bad. I just hope this doesn't interfere with us scheduling the Oklahomas and VTechs of the world.  I guess it comes down to who our other options were. I know we already passed on Mizzou, which would have been better from an athletics standpoint.  Anyone know which other schools were actually under consideration for this round of expansion?

Maestro's picture

Why the perception exists that Missouri has good athletics is beyond me.
Final Four appearances.......ZERO.
BCS Bowl Game appearance.....ZERO.
All Time Football wins Mizzou 632, Maryland 614

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Iwearmocs's picture

I'm ok w/ MAryland, b/c they're going to bring in money, but Rutgers? C'mon, no one in NYC cares about Rutgers.  I'd have rather had Mizzou then Rutgers.

cplunk's picture

It doesnt matter if they care. It doesn't even matter if they watch the games. All that matters is that because NYC is considered part of Rutger's footprint, anybody with a cable network that carries BTN in that area would bring in nine times as much cash as if Rutgers wasnt in the B1G.
The New York market is huge. You could take five Missouri's and not make a dent in what Rutgers would bring in.

btalbert25's picture

People seem to have a hard time grasping this concept.  All that matters is that the chanel is included on the cable bill folks! With the news about Fox and the YES network, it's very likely that is going to happen.

741's picture

I disagree. At some point the consumer says enough is enough. My view on the future of pay TV (cable, satellite, etc.) is that purchasing the content you want, and only what you want, is far nearer than the owners of these nextworks imagine. 
If the argument as to why it makes sense to do this is based solely on how many NYC and Washington DC cable subscribers one believes Delany and Fox Networks can force to subscribe to BTN (whether or not the subscribers actually want access to the content) then I am betting the actual valuation 10 years from now ends up being considerably lower than it is being projected today.
Lots of folks are already buying content "over the top" of the cable/satellite networks via high speed internet based commerce sites (iTunes, Xbox Live Marketplace, etc.).
If we are honest with ourselves, how much BTN are we actually watching?

hodge's picture

And imagine if BTN could leverage that "over the top" ability the way the NFL has with Sunday Ticket?  What if you could purchase it a la carte, and get to watch ALL B1G football games, regardless of which geographical footprint you're in?  The infrastructure's there, it's just finding a way to make it affordable, and making sure that the original broadcast networks are getting a cut, as well.

xtremebuckeye's picture

OMG

O H I O is the Buckeye State

GoBucks713's picture

This move is about money. Think of the market that is being added with this. The B1G gets paid for the BTN per household in the market that is a subscriber to the cable company, not viewership. This and Rutgers will both be huge money for the B1G, which will hopefully allow B1G football teams to hire better coaches, which will make the B1G stronger. It wouldn't surprise me if Delaney put all of the School's ADs on notice to hire bigger name coaches instead of Kill and Ferentz.

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Alhan's picture

Today: Maryland
Tomorrow?  The world!!!

"Nom nom nom" - Brady Hoke

741's picture

Here is the definitive article (New York Times, 9/19/2011) on this subject with data to back up the arguments. I can only imagine today's news is a prelude to a subsequent announcement that Rutgers is also joining, but even then I feel like "so what?!"
If we fail to get Notre Dame into the B1G (or by some miracle Texas) this is next to useless.

Maestro's picture

Useless huh?  So Delany should wait until the SEC adds Clemson/VT/or NC State, the ACC adds UConn/Louisville/Cincy/or Rutgers, the Pac 12 adds OU/Oklahoma State/Texas Tech/Texas and the B1G is left choosing from the leftovers.  

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741's picture

It feels like we already are choosing from the leftovers when we're discussing Maryland and Rutgers.
How Delany has failed to get ND on board escapes me. I'd love for someone to provide links to actual news as to when we last offered membership to ND and were rebuffed.
(Also, how did the B1G miss on Texas A&M?)

Maestro's picture

Miss what on TAMU?  

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741's picture

TAMU was a huge get for the SEC. Did the B1G make an offer? Or did the SEC just beat us to the punch?

Maestro's picture

TAMU is a pretty natural fit in the SEC West.  TAMU got the SEC more than the SEC got TAMU.  They drove that bus.  I doubt the B1G was ever considered.
I understand that Marlyand and Rutgers aren't sexy in terms of football, but it is about more than that and I feel that the B1G needs to be leading not following.  Waiting around is not the right play IMHO.

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hodge's picture

@741 - They don't matter like Texas does.  They'll always be second fiddle, in state and regionally to a national brand like Texas.  Think long term: if Texas in the B1G is your end goal, why would you recruit a state rival (that by all accounts absolutely despises them) when you have no geographic footing in the area?  Texas A & M doesn't get the BTN into Texas anywhere that's not College Station, you need that marquee team to get the whole state.

cplunk's picture

TAMU is a smaller media market, even with all of Texas, than Rutgers. Thanks to the fact that the B1G amount per cable subscriber is based on if BTN is on basic cable in your region, and NYC is considered Rutger's region along with NJ, Rutgers beings in more money even if nobody watches the games.
Also, as others have said, if Texas is a goal then you can't bring in TAMU. You dont' want two teams from the same state. One team in a state brings you $0.90 per subscriber. A second in the same state brings you exactly $0. 
Again, actual viewership is irrelevant. 
If the goal is Texas, TAMU is on the official "don't bother" list. On the other hand, if Texas isn't a possibility, than TAMU would have been a good target. This is part of why I think Texas is our ultimate goal with the moves.

Whosisbrew's picture

Notre Dame is, perhaps, the most unique brand in sports, professional, college or otherwise. They're the only entity whose games, every week, are broadcast on national television exclusively. The idea that it's Delany's fault for not convincing them that their setup isn't the single greatest economic advantage one could imagine is very suspect.

Maestro's picture

Plus all their games are broadcast on The Catholic Channel.  That is huge........wink.

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cplunk's picture

When it comes to TV markets and cash, MD and Rutgers are far from leftovers. Rutgers might be behind only Texas and ND (among potentially grab-able teams) on the big board of cash, thanks to the way the BTN deal is structured.

741's picture

If you read the NYT article I linked above, it becomes clear that Rutgers is the most watched team in the New York television market... but only about 14% of the NYC population watches college football, and only 20% of those are Rutgers fans... The math works out to about 600,000 potential sets of eyeballs in NYC watching the BTN.
Relative to a Notre Dame or a Texas (with millions of viewers) this is very small potatoes.
If Delany ends up delivering one of those two and Maryland (and presumably Rutgers) joining the B1G is simply a prelude to very big, very good news then I will be the first to admit I am wrong and he is a genius.
I hope I am wrong!

cplunk's picture

Except for one thing- the BTN gets paid the higher rate for everybody that HAS the network on basic cable. Actual viewership is irrelevant.
In other words, if he gets BTN on basic cable in NYC, BTN gets paid for all cable viewers in NYC and NJ.
It doesn't matter if most those people never watch a college football game in their life.

741's picture

It does matter. Don't you remember all the fuss here in B1G land with Time Warner (and some of the others) initially refusing to carry the BTN over the issue you describe above? They didn't want to pay the $0.90 per subscriber even with millions and millions of customers demanding the BTN!
The cable companies and consumers of the NYC metro area may not just willingly hand tens of millions of dollars per month to Delaney and the B1G just because he signs some lower tier but technically BCS eligible football team into membership in the B1G.

cplunk's picture

**I poorly phrased this- I'm editing to clarify***
Ah, but they're about to have no choice. YES, the Yankee's channel is about to be purchased by Fox who is, suprise surprise, the primary partner in the BTN.
Delaney made this move knowing he is about to have exactly that access.
shortly, Delaney will be able to say to all the providers in NYC, "You can put BTN on your basic package and give us the higher rate per subscriber, or you can never get to show any Yankees games in NYC."
 

Whosisbrew's picture

Right, but again, the fact that no one in New York City cares about Rutgers is utterly meaningless. It enables The B1G to dip BTN into more tri-state area homes, and that's big money regardless of level of interest.

hodge's picture

@741 - The problem with the NYC market is that no one has tried to tap it.  Rutgers isn't a "sexy" pick for college football, and the city itself is a melting pot of nationwide expats--especially from the East and Midwest.  Fox buying a controlling share of YES will get BTN into the city, because people won't forego their beloved Yankees on television (package deal FTW), and NYC will have quality college football on at all times.  
Speaking of that article, let's take a look at the top teams in that market:

If we were to get ND (which I think we're trying to do, along with Texas), that would give us the top three teams in the (vastly untapped, and incredibly potential) market along with five out of the top ten.  For such a massive population center, having half the top ten draws in an under-utilized market is like Eastern OH and Western PA: sitting on the Marcellus Shale (with more natural gas in the world than anywhere else), just waiting to be extracted to the tune of billions of dollars.

741's picture

Agreed. I'm just saying that Rutgers (which we are all assuming is coming next) in the absence of ND is not a big win.

I want to see the B1G with four or five of the top ten draws in the country. (Maryland and Rutgers are not even in this conversation when we are talking the top draws from a national perspective.)

741's picture

Full disclosure: I don't think there is any way in hell we will get Texas.

Alhan's picture

Does the total number of fans in the nation really matter if you aren't getting the product in their houses?  I grew up in Southern Missouri, and let me tell you, getting to see Ohio State play was not the easiest thing in the world.
My parents now have BTN, which means they can now watch all of the games.  This acquisition is going to help further that along.

"Nom nom nom" - Brady Hoke

741's picture

This is a little off topic, but my mom who lives in FL would love to learn how subscribing to BTN will allow her to watch "all" Ohio State football games. Respectfully, I don't think that is an accurate statement. (I think BTN airs something like three or four Ohio State football games live per year.)

Alhan's picture

The games BTN doesn't get are usually nationally televised, yes?

"Nom nom nom" - Brady Hoke

Maestro's picture

YEP

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741's picture

Not always. On occaision there is split regional coverage and she gets left out. No BTN and no ESPN/ABC. I believe the Purdue game was the most recent case in her neck of the woods.
She can't/won't justify the additional monthly expense for a non-footprint monthly BTN subscription via her cable TV platform.
Just nit-picking here - sorry.

BuckGnome's picture

Totally agree.

It feels like we already are choosing from the leftovers when we're discussing Maryland and Rutgers.

buckeye76BHop's picture

Lets make the B1G a little bit weaker by adding Maryland (and possibly Rutgers).  I'd like Rutgers...but not Maryland for football.  Joke IMHO....

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bslatco's picture

im not sure I agree with Maryland on a sports basis but as far as revenue goes this is huge for the B1G and adding Rutgers makes the most sense.  I would love to add Texas and I would love to add ND(even though I can't stand them) just to beat them every year we play so I can rub it in ND fans faces like i have been able to do to SCUM fans 9 out of 12 years.

Chet Stedman's picture

I think this is the first step to UVA and UNC being added to the mix as well.  Gets the BIG a foothold in a growing and wealthy part of the USA. Yes, for pure football perspective it dilutes things further, but I don't think the Chancellors truely care about the quality of the football programs as much as they care about the dollars they'll get.

RedStorm45's picture

Not sure if it's true, but I heard Maryland is 4-44 all time against B1G opponents.
So does the new big ten logo stick, or is it on it's way to B16?  Who knows.
 
I didn't think it was possible, but Delaney just made the conference worse overall in terms of football.  Props Jim, that's tough to do after this year.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

I assume most of that record can be explained by what used to be Maryland's annual game with Penn State. There weren't too many times in the '70s and '80s that was competitive.

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RedStorm45's picture

The ND talk can stop.  Did you guys miss the part of them sorta of kind of joining the ACC? The Big 10 would never agree to that deal.

741's picture

I am under the impression that on paper Maryland is liable to be paying the same $50-million fee to exit the ACC that ND would have to pay. If the money is right, ND will come to the B1G.
The question is can everyone play nice and let bygones be bygones and sit down at the negotiating table to work out a fair financial deal for all involved.

yankeescum's picture

What a fucking disaster.

BUCKfutter's picture

this is all too late...why didn't we add rutgers to the B1G six years ago?  if they were in the B1G in 2006, louisville never loses to them, we play louisville in the NCG and win easily.
 
would take it further but ESPN would steal my "butterfly effect" post

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dja.ohio's picture

Assign Maryland to the 'Delany Division' by themselves.
Or,
Maybe Delany's master plan is to have a second division in the B1G and relegate teams; upper division and lower division.

1MechEng's picture

I know that the potential for revenue is a big reason for adding Md and Rutgers. But who pays the 50 mil exit fee from the ACC for Md and the 10 mil exit fee from the Big East for Rutgers?

cplunk's picture

MD and Rutgers, but via loan from the B1G.
Effectively the B1G pays it but garnishes the amount from their Big Ten payouts on whatever schedule is agreed to, plus some interest.

William's picture

Kevin Plank, the founder of Under Armor and UMD alum just sold $64.5 million worth in stock, to be used for a 'charitable cause.'

Sgt. Elias's picture

We added a team that had to sell tickets on Groupon! /gunshot //thump
 
Yay! :c

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

Bucksfan's picture

Man, I didn't know 50,000 seats could look so huge!

sharkvsghost's picture

BUT GUYS, LOOK AT ALL THE TEEVEESSS!!!

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Brutus's picture

More tickets for OSU fans.  And the stadium will be packed whenever we come to town.

cplunk's picture

Oh trust me, here in the DC area there are massive amounts of OSU fans. Tons and tons of PSU and TSUN fans too. That stadium will sell out for any of those three. 
We'll probably be able to get a good O-H-I-O going around the stadium.

IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Wow, that's a really huge stadium they have right there. :/

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

cplunk's picture

It has one entrance. ONE.
It is 54,000 seats, which isnt bad. It just looks small because we're used to some of the largest stadiums in the country. If MD was halfway decent they'd probably move their game against an OSU or PSU to FedEx Field where the Redskins play (82,000).
 

Maestro's picture

The size of Big Ten stadiums is far from the norm.
Comparable stadiums by size (within 5,000) to Maryland.
Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Kansas, Arizona, Baylor, Boston College, Colorado, Georgia Tech, Iowa State, NC State, Oregon, Syracuse, Mississippi State, Ole Miss
Significantly bigger than Oregon State, Utah, TCU.

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theDuke's picture

i can see delaney in the war room right now, with like, a huge map, big red arrows drawn from indy to NyC, and another big red arrow going towards Austin. He sits at his war room table, elbows propped upon it, tapping his fingertips together with a sheepish grin as the entire southeast is surrounded by BTN. At least this is what i wish to see... but probably not. :(
*sidenote: F&%K scUM- they still SUCK!!! #fistpumpgobuckeyes

theDuke

toad1204's picture

Nothing like dancing on the field in 02... 

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

this was bound to happen. mega ulta super conferences are the wave of the future. It's either the B1G is ahead of the curve and proactive, or they fall behind and pick up scraps. I wonder when the move to 16 happens?

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I think we're already seeing "the scraps" don't you? After this it's what's left under the table after the dog gets hold of it.

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

I don't see Delany stopping at 14. I think this is a move to shake up the ACC and Big East respetively. Once one team is gone it's easy to take another. 
 
Also, think of the FU this is to Notre Dame with their whole ACC thingy. 

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theDuke's picture

i'm going to go out on a limb and say that i think, in the long run, a connection with a market as big as NYC is going to work out well for the B1G. At first i was angry about this, but then i stepped away from the ledge and thought, Maryland has to be better than Indiana, Rutgers is most likely better than Minnesota... so in the end we did get stronger top to bottom. I think...*shrugs shoulders and holds hands out, palms up
PS- Hostess is out of biz because Brady Hoke stock piled all the Twinkies factory direct. scUM still suck!
#fistpumpgobuckeyes

theDuke

dumpus's picture

ZOMG
 
LERPS GERP DERPS!!!!!!
 
on the bright side - Northwestern is now a competitive team in the B1G once again.  I always felt sorry for those guys.  Here's to improving simply by existing...

RedStorm45's picture

They're not terrible this year lol 8-3 I think.

pukindawg's picture

Does anyone know if Ohio being replaced by Maryland in the Big33 game was foreshadowing for this move?

btalbert25's picture

I think Delaney is pulling something quite amazing off here.  He's weakening 2 conferences that are already vulnerable.  Which makes Notre Dame's new deal with the ACC less valuable.  It's kind of a middle finger to Notre Dame, and it ultimately forces Notre Dame's hand in the future.  A charter member of the ACC has left.  Ga Tech is rumored to be talking to the B1G.  FSU and Clemson will jump ship right behind if Ga Tech leaves and will push the Big 12 back to 12 teams.  That conference will have to reach for UConn and Louisville to replace them.
Also, by adding the huge media markets like New York, DC, and who knows maybe Atlanta, it makes the B1G far more attractive the biggest fish of all, Texas.  Could you imagine, 16 teams get in, and Notre Dame is forced to a really crappy afterthought conference or they are stuck in Independence forever.  Notre Dame could always find value in independence, but their future opportunities to win titles will diminish.  As the conferences expand and tougher in conference games pop up on team's schedules who will want to play Notre Dame anymore?

Run_Fido_Run's picture

You might be right about Delany squeezing ND. If so, though, it's strictly a business move, not at all out of spite ("It's kind of a middle finger to ND").
More likely, when ND announced its deal with the ACC, the die was cast. That move really drove home the point that ND was going to stubbornly pursue its vision (fantasy?) come hell or highwater. So, the Big Ten had to consider other long-term options with the assumption that ND will be a regional competitor - never as part of the Big Ten family.
Under that scenario, ND is not a target any longer. Possibly, Delany is aiming to bring in G Tech and Texas along with Maryland and Rutgers. If so, that would be a major blow to ND, but the intent of the damage is to strengthen the Big Ten, with ND being collatoral damage. ND might be forced to go back to the Big Ten and grovel for non-conference games with MSU and Purdue and so forth. 
I think there was a movie with a similar theme: a once cocky V.I.P. goes from the highlife to skidrow; he begs an old "pal" for a job to get him back on his feet, but now the tables are turned; for years, that old pal had worked as the V.I.P.'s underling, and the V.I.P. humiliated and took advantage of his loyalties, etc. But now the V.I.P. needed a favor . . . the pal says something like, "Don't think that I like you seeing you in this condition, but . . . "

btalbert25's picture

I definitely don't think it's totally out of spite, but definitely a shrewd business move.  I really think the B1G could end up with MD and GA Tech from the ACC, and then you could see FSU and Clemson move elsewhere, and possibly other shoes could drop as well.  Essentially leaving ND with potential matchups with UVA, Duke, BC, and other crappers in the ACC.  Not exactly the dream the envisioned when signing a deal with the ACC. 
I think what Delaney has done, will ultimately lead Notre Dame's ACC deal look not so great, and also he's setting the B1G up to not need Notre Dame on board.  If they crack the NYC nut with the BTN, which it looks like they'll do, and he expands in to DC and Atlanta, I mean, the B1G doesn't need Notre Dame then.  They really don't NEED Texas either, but they could afford to maybe expand more into the south/mid atlantic by snagging UNC or UVA, or perhaps going west and grabbing Oklahoma.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I see Oklahoma only as a bargaining chip for Texas. The idea is that Texas-Oklahoma-Nebraska pair well out west with Iowa-Minnesota-Wisconsin. Maintains and/or restores some important, historic rivalries while also cutting down on some of the travel costs associated with a geographically expanded Big Ten.
Otherwise, Oklahoma - by itself - does not cut it academically. Nebraska was already a bit of a stretch as it was. 

btalbert25's picture

I'm just saying from a financial standpoint you don't have to have either ND or Texas if you deliver the NYC, DC, and Atlanta markets.  You could essentially fill that last spot with anyone.  UVA, UNC, whoever you want really.  Although from a competitive sports standpoint it would be much better to add Texas to the mix. 
 

hodge's picture

But really, is Georgia Tech going to deliver you the Atlanta market?  You might pull in 25% of that market for a marquee matchup of GT vs. an undefeated OSU/UM/ND*/UT*.  Like it or not, Georgia's SEC country: not only do the 'Dawgs rule there, the SEC rivalries are so firmly entrenched that they're part of the culture. 
Contrast that with NYC, where the diverse (and mainly Eastern and Midwestern) demographics there are already predisposed to our teams, and the dearth of football culture makes the city an easy clay to mold.  It's much easier to create that kind of a culture than it is to change it completely.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Here's another factor that might possibly tip things in favor of Texas to the Big Ten: one of the 11W writers alluded to it this morning, but the first time Texas fans travel to Morgantown and get an ugly reception there (forget about any friendly "how ya' doin', y'all") - talk about a culture clash - Texas might be ready for serious reconsideration of the current Big 12 framework. 

CowCat's picture

Wow.  I can't wait to hang out with all those Ravens fans ....
 
Not.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

741's picture

I can't believe no one has made a "The Wire" reference yet.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I did refer to stevedores unions above.

741's picture

Nice. I missed it. Extra points for subtlty.

741's picture

Found an appropriate Omar quote: "It ain't what you takin', it's who you takin' from, ya feel me? How you expect to run with the wolves come night when you spend all day sparring with the puppies?"

Pam's picture

Has anyone made a "Soprano's" reference?

Enzyte Bob's picture

A few things nobody has mentioned:
1. In addition to Loh being at Iowa, Brit Kirwan, Chancellor of the University of Maryland was Ohio State's first president after E. Gordon Gee's first term.  I'm sure that added to the comfort level between the Big Ten and Maryland as I'm sure he had numerous contacts with the Big Ten and other presidents.
2. Big Ten universities are centered in thriving state capitols (Columbus, Minneapolis, Lansing, Madison, Lincoln) or near them (Ann Arbor and Bloomington).  Washington is the capitol of capitols and the most prosperous metro in the entire nation.
3. Maryland fits in academically very well with the Big Ten.  Roughly the same number of students, and ranked about the same as Ohio State.
4. Penn State was kind of a lonely outpost and Paterno long lobbied for other schools on it's eastern flank in order to give it some natural rivals.  Adding these schools shores up Penn State to the east.
That's all I have now, but strategically I think this is a good move in the long term provided that both schools lift their athletic profile in the long term.

Denny's picture

3. Maryland fits in academically very well with the Big Ten.  Roughly the same number of students, and ranked about the same as Ohio State.

Really good points re: Loh and Kirwan's former posts. Academics are a huge factor here, aside from the TV eyes. OSU is almost twice as big in terms of student population, though -- at least for now. The College Park and Baltimore campuses are making some sort of two-campus leviathan over the next few years. As of right now though it's something like 65k students (OSU) and 35k (UMD). 
In terms of main campus space, they cover roughly the same amount of land, but Maryland's campus is much, much more spread out. Very similar histories as well -- land grand universities built way out in the suburbs as agricultural schools that have since been enveloped by sprawl and urban growth.
v/r
A guy who attended both universities.

Taquitos.

Enzyte Bob's picture

It's kind of funny how a lot of this expansion talk amounts to the same process in which retailers pick locations, or which an army invades another country.
ESPN's Gene Wojciechowski makes a similar point to mine about shoring up Penn State:
"The collapse of the (Pac 12) collaboration and the ACC's aggressive expansion plan made this an easier decision than you think. The Big Ten couldn't afford to watch Penn State become an island in a sea of ACC schools (Syracuse to the north, Pittsburgh to the west, Boston College to the east (and maybe UConn too). That's simply too much valuable TV and recruiting real estate."
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8651833/big-ten-shores-we...

Enzyte Bob's picture

I know this is a sports blog, but the organizer in my finds this fascinating:
TV Markets:
Top 20:  New York (?), Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis.
Top 100-ish:  Columbus, Dayton, Toledo, Youngstown, Grand Rapids, Lansing, Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, Quad Cities, Champaign/Urbana, Madison, Wheeling, Pittsburgh, Huntington. Green Bay, Evansville, Peoria, Lincoln, Omaha, Harrisburg, Scranton
Nominal Markets:  Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Philadelphia, St. Louis
 
 

collisionbend's picture

They're gonna have to change the name of the conference...

"There's a fine line between perception and reality." -- Luke Fickell

 
Pam's picture

No, it will remain as always the BIG

Northbrook's picture

Change the G to look more like a 6. Viola.

Kurt's picture

Anyone think Syracuse is still in play? Then NYC is officially within the conference footprint opening up Delaney's vision for B1G Championships to rotate among the conference's cities. B1G football championship at Meadowlands the basketball tournies at either Madison Square or Barclay's. Just a thought...I'm of the thought that end game is ND, but I never see Texas, Oklahoma which others are discussing ever being brought in.

Other option to force ND's hand could be VaTech. Then the ACC becomes nothing but a basketball conference.

cplunk's picture

If the Rutgers rumor is true, Syracuse is officially pointless. The way the BTN contract is, once they're in a state getting a second team in the same stre gains them nothing. Rutgers counts as NJ and NYC. Syracuse would be a waste of one of the two remaining slots.
If it is Rutgers, it's ND, Texas, UNC, and GA Tech for the other two slots. UVA if we get desperate. Those are the only AAU members that might be available and add significant tv dollars.
VA Tech is never gonna happen. Not an AAU member.

Ann Arbor Buckeye's picture

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this here yet but Rutgers is voting tuesday to become a memeber of the BIG.  They already have an offer to join, so there is little to debate about if Rutgers is going to be a memeber.  I say tomorrow Rutgers will become the 14th memeber of the BIG.  That leaves 2 spots to get some real sports programs on board.

Yes there are two Buckeyes in Ann arbor on this site!

MediBuck's picture

Not a fan of this. UNC or UVA I could see (also Atlantic footprint, phenomenal academics, solid basketball, talent-rich recruiting beds, football headed in the right direction) but the Terps?! If Delaney isn't using this as a setup to bring in ND and UNC or UVA, I'm gonna be pissed!

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