Meyer Presser Recap: Purdue

By Kyle Rowland on October 15, 2012 at 12:53p

Seven games into Urban Meyer’s head coaching tenure at Ohio State, the intrigue surrounding the offense has already evaporated. After years of conservative play calls, the Buckeyes have opened up the playbook, and Braxton Miller has led an assault on the quarterback rushing record book at Ohio State. 

Meyer will become more involved in the defense.

But the old reliable at Ohio State, the defense, has struggled mightily. Through seven games, the Silver Bullets has lost nearly all their sparkle. The Buckeyes rank 69th in total defense, 33rd in rush defense, 103rd in pass defense and 53rd in scoring defense. In the past two weeks, they’ve given up a combined 89 points, including the most in a single game since Penn State scored 64 in 1994.

That’s why following an ugly 52-49 win over Indiana Meyer was almost literally speechless. He may be one of the leading offensive minds in the game, but Meyer will now test his defensive knowledge.

“I wish I had the answers,” he said early Sunday morning. “I don’t know. I’ve got to get more involved right now, and I don’t know what the issue is. So I don’t think you can pinpoint one thing right now.”

Purdue brings a high-powered offense to Columbus this weekend, but the Boilermakers have been firing blanks the past two weeks. Luckily for them, the perfect remedy may be facing Ohio State.

Who’d a thunk it?

Purdue’s spread offense, built on short, intermediate passes, is exactly what’s plagued the Buckeye defense all season. They’ll have one week to try to shore up a unit decimated by injuries, which prompted fullback Zach Boren’s move to linebacker.

  • Offensive champions vs. IU: Jeff Heuerman, Jake Stoneburner, Corey Brown, Reid Fragel, Corey Linsley and tri-players of the week Jack Mewhort, Carlos Hyde and Braxton Miller.
  • Meyer said Heuerman played his best game as a Buckeye. Graded out 88 percent, and Meyer said he will play more.
  • While Linsley graded out a champion, Meyer said he and Linsley both expect more out of him.
  • Special teams champions: Travis Howard (player of game), Ben Buchanan, Bradley Roby, Zach Domicone and Jamal Marcus.
  • There were no defensive champions for the Buckeyes.
  • Despite Meyer being an offensive coach, he said the identity of Ohio State football will not change. It's about defense.
  • Meyer said he could give a million excuses as to why Ohio State struggled Saturday, but he said he doesn't do that and called it unacceptable.
  • The inside guys on the offensive line need to improve, according to Meyer, but he said the tackles played well.
  • The No. 1 thing the defense needs to do is eliminate big plays. Meyer called it "absurd" how many big plays opponents have this season.
  • It comes down to missed tackles and finishing out plays. Meyer referenced playing four to six seconds relentlessly and leveraging the ball.
  • “I’m not happy at all with what's going on on defense with players and coaches.” –Meyer
  • Meyer said he is comfortable with the coaches on his defensive staff. But they have to be more productive.
  • Ohio State can’t sustain season-long success if the defense continues to give up big plays and lots of points, according to Meyer.
  • Eventually, it comes down to defense and kicking game when winning games, Meyer said. Meyer referenced Alabama and Florida's success and subsequent 1-2 ranking.
  • “We're putting an APB out for tough guys.” –Meyer
  • Nathan Williams will be back this week. Meyer said his concussion got worse as the week progressed, hence his not traveling with the team.
  • Meyer said Jordan Hall is not healing well. With Hall's injury, Rod Smith is very involved with Ohio State's plans at running back.
  • According to Meyer, Boren’s move could not have been made without Heuerman and Nick Vannett stepping up.
  • Meyer refered to John Cooper as his "player personnel director." Coop gives Meyer a list of the opponents’ NFL players each week.  Meyer called Boren's move to LB "temporarily permanent."
  • There are conversations about making other personnel changes on defense, but Meyer said Ohio State is limited in making them.
  • Meyer was thrilled with Noah Spence's play at Indiana. He said Spence and Nathan Williams both could see the field together this week. Don’t be surprised if Williams plays some linebacker.
  • Meyer said he still believes Curtis Grant is going to have a fine career.
  • Stan Drayton said Carlos Hyde uses all 235 pounds to his advantage when he runs and has deceptive speed.
  • Drayton said you could see the run game's value to the offense coming. He said they've been able to tailor the offense to players’ strengths.
  • The offensive scheme at Florida wasn't much different, according to Drayton. The biggest difference now is Ohio State has big, bruising backs.
  • There have been no discussions about redshirting Hall, Drayton said.
  • Hyde's on-field production hasn't changed this season, but his maturity has. Drayton said Hyde thought he got a raw deal last year. Hyde has since matured into more mature, selfless player, according to Drayton.


tennbuckeye19's picture

There were no defensive champions for the Buckeyes.

Sounds about right.

buckeye76BHop's picture

Thank you Tenn...thank you for keeping it real.  Most here I still feel are delusional and think Fick and the defense are doing great because OSU's 7-0 ;-)

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

Will in Arizona's picture

Bradley Roby is playing at an elite level.  Teams aren't even throwing his way anymore.

buckeyedude's picture

I think Roby is a future 1st round pick. I also think Big Hank and Simon are playing as well as I  expected. The rest need more consistency.



GoBucks713's picture

I don't think people are delusional, but appreciative of the fact that OSU is 7-0. If someone is happy with the defense, they obvioulsy have been drinking too much of the kool-aid.

-The Aristocrats!

cinserious's picture

Yes, those would be the same people who thought fickell got a raw deal by not being kept a hadcoach.

Gone ham, be back soon...

tennbuckeye19's picture

At this point, I'm not saying anyone needs to lose their job or anything like that. But I don't know how you remedy the issues we've been having week in and week out. We're onto our 8th game already and it doesn't seem like things are getting any better. yes, we've got injuries, and we've got a number of legitimate excuses, but like Meyer said, you can't make excuses, you just have to be better. 

BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

I'll make an excuse in defense of the coaches:

Most of the big plays against us have been poor defensive execution and poor tackling.

Of course i'd love to see more blitzes and hits on the opposing quarterback, but rarely this season has it looked like a big play was a direct result of a bad defensive call.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I know the performance against Indiana was questionable and I understand the pseudo-panic some of you are experiencing about the D, but I just want to keep some things in perspective.
Injuries. I know the D wasn’t exactly tearing things up when we were full up of starters, but we did just move someone from offense to play LB -- some of this can and should be expected. We will get there. We didn’t just forget how to tackle – the mentality has to change from making a big play to just making the correct play.
Competition. I said this in another post, but it is worth repeating: we have consistently played to our level of competition. Keep in mind the reports of the D laughing and joking on the sidelines when were up three scores. They took the rest of the game off. I do not think this will happen again and was a good lesson to learn.
Expectations. We lost 6 games last year with essentially the same players. The B1G is weak -- weaker than it has been in a while. Yes we are 7-0 with a great win over Nebraska and a win over Sparty which looks less and less shiny the more Sparty keeps being Sparty. We are a better team than we were last year, but last year we were not a good team. Adjust your perceptions accordingly.
Future. One year ago my Scarlet and Grey heart was still bleeding and broken over Tressel being gone. Seven games into this season, I can barely see the scar. I have not felt this good about Buckeye football since 01/07/2007. We can only get better. Brax will improve his passing. The D will improve their tackling. Urban will work with players he has recruited. Let's stop being a bunch of side-seat drivers and just enjoy the ride.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

shellmac's picture

I agree to some but lets be honost our D just is not looking good at all. i watch every game 2 x and slow mo a ton and you watch our guys tackle it is not good at all heads are down and the LBs will hit and not wrap at all.
I think Coach U will have to step in and get on Fick and Vrab big time.
I think we need Speilman as a tackle coach if you watch or listen to him or go back and watch his games hands down a head up and tackle through the guys.
Anyway I will always love my Buckeyes for ever. Just my 2 cents.
O  H

Live every day as if it where your last because some day...... you will be right.

buckeyedude's picture

Dang, never thought of Speilman. If anybody could teach these guys to tackle, it's him. But really, these guys are at a D-1 BCS school.
They should already know the fundamentals, for Pete's sake.



BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

FUTURE is right! Have you seen next year's schedule? That thing looks hand-picked by Urban for a perfect season and an appearance in the final "BCS National Championship Game"

ATXbucknut's picture

Thanks for getting this out so quickly!
Can't wait to hear more on the Fickel situation. Or non-situation.  Or whatever.

Clown Baby's picture

You're going to be waiting a while....he bailed.

Clown Baby's picture

Nevermind...he did come out after all.  Twitter lied!

Earle's picture

Methinks we should suspend the use of the "Silver Bullets" moniker until this D starts living up to the tradition.

rkylet83's picture

I love how up front and un-filtered Coach Meyer is in press conferences.  As much as I loved Coach Tressel I never really got much from his pressers.  Coach Meyer is the opposite.

NCBuckeye1's picture

There have been no discussions about redshirting Hall, Drayton said.

Not sure why they are not thinking this, not helping the kid's future potential in the NFL. Maybe he has turned out to not be as valuable an asset as they thought during the offseason, and they think the recruits coming in will be better for that position (i.e. Ezekiel Elliott). Better to free up an additional scholarship than keep an average player.
That is all speculation obviously, and when Hall is healthy, he is a great player, but I bet there is something there that we aren't seeing.

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -- Woody

thorvath22's picture

I disagree...even when Hall is healthy he is incredibly average. I have never seen anything "Great" in his game.

Ill take a young Jalin Marshall and Ezekiel Elliot over an older Jordan Hall...NFL fits his game better anyways.

Ill_Buckeye's picture

um wut?
He's 5'9 (more like 5'7) and has nowhere near sproles speed that nfl career should last all of a mini-camp at this point

Will in Arizona's picture

Hall has good quickness, but lacks anything resembling top end speed.

NCBuckeye1's picture

That is a great point, and exactly what I was trying to highlight. Maybe he is a great player, maybe he isn't. Fact is the coaches see him every day in practice, and if they don't think that it would be helpful next year to redshirt him this year, than that tells me a lot about him as a player.
Maybe it is better to have him go as a senior who stuck with the program through tough times and let him go out like that, and free up a scholarship for another impact player in an area of need.

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -- Woody

buckeyedude's picture

This game of football is a ruthless business. And it IS a business. I really hope Hall comes back and wish the best for him. But as a Buckeye fan, I am JACKED to see Elliot, but especially Marshall with Buckeye unis on.
I think Marshall is going to be OSU's next Ted Ginn "look-a-like." At least that's what I'm hoping.



OldColumbusTown's picture

At this point, would Hall even want to do that?  Obviously he's seeing that guys like Hyde and Smith are producing, and incoming recruits like Elliott and Marshall may have the chance to see some time as they have more of the explosiveness Meyer is seeking on offense.  It's not as if Hall would automatically be the starting RB next year.  He may not even be the main RB when/if healthy the remainder of this season.

QBYBuckeye's picture

I like Hyde.  He inflicts more punishment than he receives, softening up things for Miller.  Smith is cut out of the same cloth as Hyde.  Having Hyde or Smith as option 1, Miller as 2, and Philly or Hall as 3 is a pretty awesome weapon.

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Will in Arizona's picture

Smith cannot be #1 - he fumbles waaaaaaay too much.

LouGroza's picture

“I’m not happy at all with what's going on on defense with players and coaches.” –Meyer
Imagine that. Kind of what many people on these forums are saying.

thorvath22's picture

I like the Idea of putting N.Williams in @ linebacker.

I also would like to see a more aggressive secondary On D...and a better edge pass rush when Williams is off the field and this is the week Shazier and Grant NEED to step up.

buckeye76BHop's picture

They had him playing there against MSU and Neb...I'd say he was fast enough to stop their players...

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

buckeyedude's picture

To state the obvious: the OSU secondary plays way too soft, giving opposing receivers the first 8-9 yards, and then they can't tackle them after they catch the ball. I think part of it is scheme. The other part of it is a lack of fundamentals.
Is it any wonder why this defense is so weak? Keep it simple.



carence's picture

“We're putting an APB out for tough guys.” –Meyer
If that doesn't ignite the D's fire, nothing will!

TheHannimal's picture

Did the Buckeyes get suspended from Nike Pro Combat unis this year as well as everything else?  
I have note heard/seen anything about it...

fear_the_nut70's picture

A friend of mine posted this at another site.  Supposed leak of next combat unis with pics.  Again, I emphasize, possible leak:

tennbuckeye19's picture

FWIW: Those pics have been posted here before, and everyone seems to think those aren't the combat uniforms for this year. 

fear_the_nut70's picture

Thanks for the info.  I was only passing along what I came across.  Seems like it has been rather tight lipped this year.  When are they supposed to wear them this year, Wisconsin?  I have heard next to nothing.

tennbuckeye19's picture

You're right. It has been quite quiet on the Pro Combat front for OSU. The talk has been that they were supposed to be revealed by Nike in September, which I guess didn't happen or we would know something. I believe though, that the plan is for them to be worn in The Game. 

fear_the_nut70's picture

Nike is really weird about these in general.  Two years ago, I tried desperately to get my hands on one ahead of the The Game (we were having an event, and I wanted to wear what the team was wearing).  I spent hours online to find out that you had to get them from Nike themselves and that they weren't being shipped out until after the game (at least that's what I was told, though I saw some people at the game wearing them).  I was then told by a fan they were released in New York first but nowhere else (this seems silly and doesn't make any sense).  Far be it from me to criticize Nike's very successful business model, but at least one fan was willing to probably overspend for the jersey to have it before the game, and couldn't get one.  This year, we can't get any info at all and October is half over.   Crazy.

painterlad's picture

Is Williams fast enough to play linebacker? He's plenty fast when going around O linemen, but at some point he will have to cover a running back or TE, and then what? Unless they want to use him as a battering ram to plug up the middle (which will do nothing to stop Purdue's offense) I see no sense in this move.

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buckeye76BHop's picture

“I wish I had the answers,” he said early Sunday morning. “I don’t know, I’ve got to get more involved right now, and I don’t know what the issue is. So I don’t think you can pinpoint one thing right now.”

I really hope this^^^ opens the eyes of the delusional that think bc OSU's 7-0 that they're doing so good...bc they're not.  OSU's defense has never been this bad...can anyone remember it being this bad besides last year or may be 1988???  Meyer having to step in to help the defense could be a means to an end for Fickel and may be all the defensive coaches personally.  If OSU has more than 30 scored on it by any team besides tTUN, then this entire defensive coaching staff could be gone.  I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but if it does, then you're apparently not watching the same games I have been.    

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

buck-I.8's picture

There was a stat going around that OSU has only allowed over 35 points like, 18 times since its beginning. 
If that doesn't tell you what sort of defense we're seeing this year, then there's no use explaining.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

As much as I love OSU running no huddle/up tempo offense I wonder if it's hanging the defense out to dry, especially late in games. 22 points scored in the 4th. That's a lot. I think OSU needs more guys that they can rotate in, fresh legs. BUT IU runs a no-huddle too, which doesn't allow for substitutions. 
Also, is playing a good number of starters on kick/punt coverage spreading a thin defense even thinner? If this is a concern now, just think what it could be in a  couple years when the scholly losses are completely in effect. 

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Will in Arizona's picture

Ohio State dominated time of possession against Indiana (37 min to 23 min).  The no huddle isn't the problem - the poor play from the linebackers and safeties is killing the team right now.  Roby is excellent and Howard is good at corner, but we lack depth past those two.  At safety, Bryant is decent (but too often goes for the big hit), Barnett is below average, and Johnson just looks lost half the time.  The linebacking corps has Shazier who is similar in style to Bryant, and a bunch of very low quality (for Ohio State standards) guys.
There's no magic fix to this unit - the middle of the field will be a constant problem as we simply lack talent there.

RBuck's picture

The Buckeyes' no huddle does not go up tempo or hurry up very often. Most plays go off with 5 seconds or less on the play clock.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

buckeye76BHop's picture

I'm not 100% sure the hurry up is the problem.  However I really agree with you and think they're not rotating enough on Dline (obviously they can't or won't rotate more LB's in for some strange reason).  They rotate in players but it may be a better idea to rotate an entire group of Dlinemen. It seemed they were doing it at times during the IU game, but not as a whole unit.  

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

hodge's picture

I don't think that it's delusional to think that Ohio State is doing well this season.  They've played seven games, and seven times emerged the victor.  Sure, their defense has resembled a sieve as of late, but it doesn't mean that we shouldn't appreciate the identity this team has developed.  This team is resilient; every time they've been backed into a corner, or tasked with playing from behind, they've risen to the occasion--a quality our team was woefully devoid of last season.
We might not be doing it pretty, but at least we're doing it.  We're a young team, and outperforming our expectations.  Our defense is sad; and while we can bemoan their performance week in and week out, my elation with victory will always exceed my dissatisfaction with failed performances.  Remaining undefeated becomes increasingly rare as the season wears on, we should cherish that above all else--I'm sure that if and when we lose, we'll all know who to place the blame on.

OldColumbusTown's picture

I agree. I've ripped the defense and said changes are more than likely in store if we don't see improvement soon. The amount of points the defense has been giving up is embarassing.

BUT, with that said, this team is 7-0. It doesn't matter what your schedule is, who you've played, etc., it is not easy to win 7 games in a row in major college football. This team still has not lost, and is still very, very young. Experiences like this are key to young men learning how to win, and developing the resiliency needed during the course of a national championship run.

That's what this all comes down to, right? Ohio State should play for national championships, and this season is part of the process (especially given the current bowl ban situation) to get there as soon as possible. Look at the improvement from one year to the next, just in the ability to WIN games. We can't gloss over that. There's lots of room for improvement, but color me happy with the fact the program is heading back in the right direction, and doing so rather quickly.

buckeye76BHop's picture

Great points Hodge and I love every one of them.  However, I think many are taking me the wrong way.  Let's get two things straight.  First off, I'm a huge defensive guy more than your regular fan (used to coach it too).  So that's why this bothers me more than normally because, well, OSU has always had a good or great defense (even despite being a "young" defense, which this one isn't BTW).  
1.  I'm very happy OSU is 7-0 and I'm also with the team as a whole (especially offense bc of Urbs and Herman). 
2.  I'm not happy what so ever with the defense except Miami OH and MSU games.  Those games the defense showed up and played for four quarters of football.  I realize the injuries, shortages and so on.  However, I don't like to make excuses and that's all you can do when commenting on the defense this year and especially lately.  Which I'm tired of doing...what ever happened to next man up?  
That's the delusional part so many are missing and trust the'll see them.  They're hard to miss...those people that think Fickel, other defensive coaches, and OSU's defense in general are just fine.  It's all injuries and this and that.  Wow is all you can say to things of that nature.  Time to sack up and stop making excuses as a team, as players and the coaches as well (hell even a fan base if you ask me).    

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

buckeyedude's picture

I agree with what you say Hodge, but I wonder how many people think, after these first seven games, and all of the knowledge we have having watched those games, OSU still goes undefeated?
Maybe that would be a good poll question? hint, hint



Baroclinicity's picture

Haven't seen very many, if any, of the delusionals you speak of.  Defense is a problem; this is not front page news.  But just as much of a problem is the fanbase who, in the last two decades, worries about how we look just as much or if not more than the W or L. 
We don't look great on defense.  More importantly, we're 7-0.  Beat Michigan.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

GrayDay's picture

Williams in particular was missed I think.  Very little pressure/disruption of QB is recipie for disaster with this D.  I know that's hard against a team with good short passing game, but making a QB think or evade even a little can do much to disrupt rhythm.  Looks like our LBs and safties will have to have such help.
Looking forward to Ross's read on Thursday!

GABuckeye's picture

I think we underestimate just how important Nathan Williams is to this defense.  

wmbuckeye557's picture

With Williams on the field, the other team has to pick there poison. Double team Hankins our Williams.  I am a little disappointed with Simon, although his injury may be slowing him down. 

O-H-I-O's picture

Can you imagine Boren, N. Williams, and Simon as are linebackers in short yardage situations. Couldn't ask for three more hardworking tough guys in the middle. I am sure it will never happen but I don't think they would miss too many tackles. I still can't believe between Grant, Marcus, Perkins, Perry, Roberts, and others we can't get solid play.

tennbuckeye19's picture

I agree. I mean yeah, they're all young and inexperienced, but you gotta think ONE of those guys could step up. 

Sterling's picture

Yes. This. I'd be much more sanguine about our LB struggles if we were at least seeing progress with the young guns.  I love Urban's clarity during these pressers but I've yet to [definitively] hear whether we're struggling because (a) the position has evolved to where it is nearly impossible to play a freshman because they need at least a year to understand what they're doing, (b) it would be possible to play more freshmen but our staff isn't getting the job done in terms of development or (c) these guys simply aren't as elite as we expected them to be when we recruited them.
My [wholly uneducated and puerile] hunch is a mixture of a+b, where Urban is too proud to use (a) as an excuse and too classy to throw out (b) in public.

buckeyedude's picture

Holy Buckeye! Did you just use puerile and sangine in the same post? /:o You must be Are you related to Ramzy?.



BuckeyeVet's picture

I'm going to give Sterling a sanguine upvote for that post.

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andretolstoy's picture

How many points has Ohio State's special teams given up this year? Blocked punts, missed field goals etc.?

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I don't know how many they gave up, but I can count at least 21 they scored.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

penult's picture

They've given up 7 points total on their own, and have produced 21 points on their own (not counting field goals).  Yes, the blocked punt against IU led to 7, but the defense had a chance to hold.  Ohio State defense automatically giving up 7 points to IU with that field position should not be a given.  At the very least they should have held to a field goal.  The defense should pride themselves in coming up with stops in those sorts of situations.  I don't see much pride in that defense.
If you want to nitpick and say special teams gave up 7 points on that blocked punt, then you also have to take into account all the good field position they've handed to the O and D with their kickoff coverage, punt coverage, punt returns, etc.
Multiple times, I've seen you try to make this lazy connection that OSU has had two blocked punts and Urban Meyer is the special teams coach, therefore he is not a good coach or not coaching well or something.  Just stop.  Not only does he have one heck of a proven track record througout his whole career on special teams, the special teams this year has been a resounding and OVERWHELMING net positive for this team so far.  And I can only imagine it getting better, now that all these true freshman that have had to fill holes are getting the hang of it and, yes, learning from their mistakes. 

andretolstoy's picture

I don't think I have ever said that he is a bad coach or that he is not coaching well. Or that I don't want  him around etc etc.
But there is a greater trend. If there are any 'lazy connections" here it's on those who are trying to make this into a one-sided, weekness. I see problems, incosistencies, and breakdowns all around, and in the game of football they're all connected. It is rarely attributed to one particular source and/or player(s).
But I do apologize that even the notion of your golden-boy, savior coach not being as advertised irks you on this level.
While I'm on it. I think there is also a greater problem here with regards to no man being greater than the program. We used this the last two years with the former chief. I'd hate to witness the double standard that sees this mantra dropped in the water just because he's Urban "F-ing" Meyer.
I like him a lot and want him as coach, but he's not greater than Ohio State.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

If Tatgate taught us anything, it was that no man is greater than the program. I love Jim Tressel. I was/am one of his biggest supporters--I border an being an apologist at times. I don't think I have read a single comment that would indicate anyone feels as though UFM is above everything else.
We tried a new punt formation and didnt execute it (block #1). Boren was caught early and again, we didnt execute (block #2). Again, we have blocked some punts and taken one to the house. I think special teams will be fine.
Of course there are breakdowns and inconsistencies and problems that need to be worked out. We only just got a brand-new coach -- who by the way has single-handedly created the most striking paradigm shift in Buckeye football to date. A new system, a new philosophy, new coaches, new swag, new-new-new. You were expecting what exactly? Oh, did I mention we are 7-0?

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

andretolstoy's picture

The only thing that I expected was not to be 7-0 at this point. I'm just not a big fan of other fans asking for heads to be rolling after this  year. My attempt was to put things in perspective.
I don't buy that this is just a defensive problem. I think it's a team problem and there are a lot of factors that go into it.
Go Bucks!

weimerad's picture

I wish Meyer would be more specific on what the future holds and what his plans are for Curtis Grant.  He says he believes Grant will have a fine career, but will it be at LB.  I've said it several times that they should convert Grant to a DE, let him get his hands dirty and not think too much. 
Coach Meyer, if you read this, give it some serious thought. 

OldColumbusTown's picture

Grant talked about his struggles last season, and even about quitting/transferring. After the talk in the spring and summer practices about his improvement, and then subsequent demotion, you have to wonder if that "light" will be turning on with a different program.

I really sincerely hope Curtis Grant sticks it out, because he definitely looks to have that raw ability. I'm hopeful sometime very soon he begins to use it on the field for the Buckeyes.

Maestro's picture

Feel badly for Hall.  Would love to see him get a medical redshirt if he has any desire to do so.

vacuuming sucks

Bucksfan's picture

I’m not happy at all with what's going on on defense with players and coaches.
Ohio State can’t sustain season-long success if defense continues to give up big plays and lots of points.

If an 11W user said that here, the "7-0 crowd" would downvote you.  Just sayin', Urbz.

Buckeye06's picture

Haha what does Meyer mean by "season long success?" OSU is 7 games in and 7-0.  And there likely isn't 1 OSU fan on this board who thinks the D is fine.  What the 7-0 crowd is saying usually is despite the D, the team is finding a way to win, and a win is better than a loss.  Meyer's special teams have cost OSU points often with blocked kicks and some bad kick coverage.  Should we call for his head?
Mistakes happen, but the D must get better.  If they can cut down on a few small things, the big things will end up working out

Bucksfan's picture

Oh, the 7-0 crowd might feel that way in their hearts, but they'll be damned if they let someone strongly voice that concern'll definitely cost you helmet stickers.  I was docked 5 on another thread for basically saying the same thing.

highwire's picture

That's because a lot of users wouldn't mention sustainability, but complain, "We suck...rabble rabble Fickell rabble rabble"...sometimes it's not what you say, but how you say it.

Doc's picture

Urban can not be happy with the defensive coaching staff.  He will probably clean house in the off season.  Fickell isn't ready for prime time, yet.

"Say my name."

humble0ne's picture

It is amazing to me how quickly everyone forgot this was a transition year from a 6 and 7 team.  It is an absolute blessing that OSU is 7-0.  The defense has been decimated by injury, and has had problems with the spread for a couple of years now.  Another off season with Marrioti, another off season to meld Fickell and Wither's style together and we could be competitive.  I think it has been underrated that you kept parts of a defensive staff, and the responsibilities are divided differently.  I would love to see the Buckeyes go undefeated, but the defense is very flawed right now.

"It is foolish to expect a young man to follow your advice and ignore your example." --Don Meyer Hall of Fame NAIA Basketball Coach

Doc's picture

At the beginning of the season and during the spring we were all talking about how the defense was going to be lights out and that we would have the best defensive line in the country.  No body was going to score on us easily.  The defensive staff and philosophy have not changed that much.  Urban has kept the defensive coordinator in everyone of his stops for continuity.  This defense would be the same one if Tress was still coaching.  IMHO Fickell is in way over his head.  He can not make adjustments during the game and is being out coached.  As we were going to bed after the game my wife was muttering about Fickell needing to find a new job at some high school.  The defense sucks.  We have had problems with the spread since 41-14, and it hasn't gotten any better.

"Say my name."

Earle's picture

I take solace in the fact that Urban is going to take a more active role with the defense.  Not just from the standpoint of demanding better performance and holding those responsible accountable, but also because he knows how the spread works, and what makes it more difficult to be successful.  He can use his knowledge of the type of offense that gives his D fits to help them defend the spread.

stantmann's picture

Is anyone else bothered by hyde's gesture after the td, you know where he did the muscle man pose? He deserved a flag. Meyer said early in the season that the buckeyes, after a td will hand the ball to the official or it will be the last td they see. This hardly ever happens, and I've always been a big fan of the tressel teams doing this.

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BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

LoL. I think he got it from your profile pic / avatar / whatever that little thumbnail pic to the left is.

Buckeye_Mafia's picture

The dude has scored 6 TD's in 2 games....I don't think Urbz is gonna be too pissed off about it.  I know many of us weren't....he earned it.  Plus, it came after the B1G zebras took the TD away from him...

Adolphus Washington is half grizzly bear and half dragon | Noah Spence kills quarterbacks, just to watch them die.

William's picture

Lol what? Tressel teams celebrated too. Hall jumping on Ginn's foot in the title game is an example of that. 

buckeyedude's picture

Stantmann, like my pappy used to say, if you got 'em, flaunt 'em! I have no problem with that. A double front biceps pose is very macho.
On the other hand, if your name is Velcro, and you imitate eating a bowl of cereal after you score a TD, then definitely YES, the officials should throw a flag. That is a very girly(no offense girls) thing to do. No place for it on a Buckeye football team.



Urban John Simon Meyer's picture

Just be sure to do it after entering the endzone... deadball/liveball distinction in CFB is harsh. 

kevinfrenchfry's picture

if OSU were to drop a game i would hope at least on the defensive side of the ball we'd be willing to play guys like josh perry, jamal marcus, etc for a considerable amount of time i mean we were saying the same thing about braxton needing to be playing full time over bauserman before our first loss occured that season, and we were actually bowl eligible that season.  i REALLY wanna see jamal marcus out there, that guy is a freak of nature and plays like an animal

buckeyedude's picture

Meyer called Boren's move to LB "temporarily permanent."

That sounds like "Tresselspeak" to me.



Buckeye_Mafia's picture

"And so forth...."

Adolphus Washington is half grizzly bear and half dragon | Noah Spence kills quarterbacks, just to watch them die.

BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

"temporarily," as in, until he graduates...

after that, he can play whatever position he wants.

southernstatesbuckeye's picture

The pizza guy just put a resume in for defensive coordinator, according to ESPN's GoSport site:
www.espngosport/articles/ohiostate/ Should we give the guy a shot?

Max Power's picture

•“I’m not happy at all with what's going on on defense with players and coaches.” –Meyer
Translation: Someone better get their act together. Don't make me wouldn't like urban when he's angry!

Max Power's picture

I take the "too many big plays" remark as a shot to the "bend, don't break defense" Fickell knows all too well