Meyer Presser Recap: Michigan State

By Kyle Rowland on September 24, 2012 at 12:50p
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Ohio State never got the breather it wanted in the non-conference schedule. With two ranked opponents the next two weeks – Michigan State and Nebraska – the slate isn’t going to get any easier. 

Meyer still believes Ohio State is going to be great. 

The problems on defense play right into the Spartans’ strengths. Running back Le’Veon Bell, a 250-pound force, could be a handful – literally – for a Buckeye defense that has been miserable at tackling.

The Ohio State secondary, which ranks ninth in the country with seven interceptions, could give inexperienced quarterback Andrew Maxwell fits.

The Braxton Miller vs. Michigan State matchup is the one that's most intriguing. 

But on Monday the focus was still somewhat on last Saturday’s 29-15 win over Alabama-Birmingham. It wasn’t the win, though, that Meyer highlighted. It was the areas that need to improve. 

 

  • UAB awards: Jordan Hall (off. player of game), Christian Bryant (def. player of game) and Bryce Haynes (ST player of game).
  • Offensive Champions: Jordan Hall, Braxton Miller, Corey Brown, Jake Stoneburner, Evan Spencer and Reid Fragel.
  • Meyer said Saturday was Reid Fragel's best game of the season.
  • Defensive champions: Christian Bryant, Johnathan Hankins and Doran Grant.
  • Hankins graded out 81 percent, Grant graded out 91 percent, Bryant graded out 93 percent.
  • Ron Tanner was scout team player of the week.
  • Meyer calls Michigan State's defense one of the best he's faced in his career. He said they are loaded with NFL talent.
  • Mark Dantonio was the defensive coordinator at Michigan State under Nick Saban. Meyer said he sees a lot of the same characteristics in this MSU defense that he saw in Alabama under Saban.
  • Taking the run game away and forcing Braxton Miller to beat them with his arm is Michigan State’s goal, Meyer said.
  • Ohio State went up against good cornerbacks in the California game – Meyer said Saturday will be another challenge for Devin Smith and Philly Brown. Michigan State cornerbacks Johnny Adams and Darqueze Dennard will pose a big challenge. Two of the best the Buckeyes will face all season.
  • UAB’s onside kick recovery was a “major error,” Meyer said. He joked that he needs to tell everyone on the kick team you have to catch the ball.
  • Meyer again talked about the youth and inexperience on special teams. He said the same thing after the game Saturday.
  • The coaching staff is not thinking about redshirting Michael Bennett. Meyer said that could be reevaluated if he doesn’t play Saturday, but he said he expects he’ll be ready to go.
  • CJ Barnett, Bradley Roby and Carlos Hyde are likely to play at this point.
  • Meyer said the offensive line has been OK but not great. Hall and Hyde healthy at the same time could make a difference.
  • The Ohio State defense is more equipped to stop Michigan State, according to Meyer. He said the dink and dunk, sideline to sideline passes aren’t the strength of the defense.
  • Meyer thought tackling was improved against UAB, but said it'll be addressed again this week in practice.
  • Meyer called Saturday a "rivalry game."
  • After the game Saturday, Braxton Miller said he called 20 audibles at the line of scrimmage. Meyer said he doesn’t know if it was that many but said it was "a lot of times.”
  • At yesterday’s Victory Dinner, Meyer brought up the Leaders Division championship. It’s the first time it’s been mentioned all season. Meyer said it's very important to win a title.
  • “Are we playing for something? You’re damn right we are.” –Meyer
  • Le’Veon Bell reminds Urban Meyer of a more athletic Ron Dayne.
  • Meyer said whichever two cornerbacks has the best week of practice between Travis Howard, Bradley Roby and Doran Grant will play on Saturday.
  • Meyer said he had honest conversations with Rod Smith and his father in January about having Smith transfer. Meyer thought that'd be best for Smith’s career.
  • Smith stayed to prove he could make it at Ohio State. It's worked out well for everyone involved.
  • "At the end of the year, this might be a hell of a football team. It might be sooner than that." -Meyer on the Buckeyes
  • Wide receivers coach Zach Smith says he feels very comfortable with the progress and results from the OSU wideouts.
  • Coaching Devin Smith is great, Zach Smith said, because he’s so hard on himself and always striving to improve.
  • Michael Thomas is continuing to develop, Smith said. He feels good about the direction Thomas is going in.
  • Stoneburner had zero catches on Saturday. Smith said he was a viable option on several plays, just didn’t get ball thrown his way.
  • Smith said the offense doesn’t play as well when the wide receivers struggle with blocking. He said that is one reason Stoneburner is so good at WR because his size allows him to own perimeter blocking.
  • Defensive coordinator Everett Withers also said the tackling was improved on Saturday. He also said the same thing about Michigan State’s offense being a good matchup for the OSU D.
  • Withers said this week will be big in Ohio State finding out exactly what they have on defense. He said Le'Veon Bell is sound in all facets. Knows when and where to run, good with a stiff arm.
  • Christian Bryant has matured immensely, Withers said. Bryant was in the WHAC this morning getting the defensive game plan.
  • Withers said the routine in Columbus and at the game site do not change for road games.
  • On UAB's chop blocks: "Maybe they allow that in Conference USA." –Withers

 

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hodge's picture

Dantonio coached under Saban?
That explains a Hell of a lot about his sideline demeanor.

tennbuckeye19's picture

His coaching stops certainly explain a lot of his demeanor, in press conferences, interviews, and on the field. He coached under Earl Bruce (@ OSU in 80's), Glenn Mason (@ Kansas), Saban (@ MSU) and Tressel (@ YSU & OSU). 

penult's picture

Dantonio coached under Saban?

Yes, NEXT QUESTION. /Dantonio'd
 

SLVRBLLTS's picture

haha nice!

"Because we couldn't go for three"

gwalther's picture

Dantonio3d.

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Menexenus's picture

Nice!  :-)
 

Real fans stay for Carmen.

fear_the_nut70's picture

I have read many of the comments on here since Saturday's game.  What a schizophrenic bunch us Buckeye fans are, that is for sure.  We are 4-0, and at the end of the game, I texted to a Buckeye friend "except for Hankins, the rest of the team gets a F."  It is amazing what happens every spring, when everyone suddenly forgets what happened last year and believes the team will sudddenly transform into something they most recently were not.  I knew this was a transistion year, and yet, find myself disappointed because we haven't looked better.  That's enough of that.  Here is to rememberbing we were 6-7 last year, that we have talent deficiencies, and through all that, we are still 4-0.  There is also part of me that thinks it's very possible that kids read the press clippings and know that UAB isn't the samething as Alabama, just because they play in the same state.  If Aay actual Buckeyes read this, remember that Michigan State came into our house in a very difficult year for us, and very nearly shut us out.  That is NOT supposed to happen at Ohio State.  This is your chance for a payback.  Pay attention to detail  and give Michigan State your best game, and play with both eyes wide open when at the bottom of the pile (or perhaps close them) when Gholston is around.  And oh yeah, Go Bucks!!

danavh4's picture

Well said.  I couldn't even stay on the live blog this weekend with all the negative crap everyone was posting.  It's amazing how flightly some Buckeye fans can be.

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dancorona5's picture

I'm glad he mentioned the chop blocks..I was at the game, noticed at least one per play for them

TheBadOwl's picture

One per play is a bit much, but if I remember correctly, they got called 4 times in a relatively short span. Chop blocks are VERY dirty, something should have happened there.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

johnny11's picture

I'm glad Smith stayed to try and make it as a buckeye. Hopefully he keeps getting opportunities and making the best of them.

hodge's picture

His story will make for some excellent fluff pieces if he ever gets to start.

johnny11's picture

Yah it definately will. I don't see him getting to many carries though once Hyde is healthy. We'll see though. Meyer has said he earned until this point.

J.Mo's picture

Agreed. Big fan of Smith. Would love to see him get more carries. He's like a bowling ball.
If he does get more PT and emerge - maybe his brother will reconsider the Buckeyes too.

FROMTHE18's picture

Meyer is much more optimistic about this team and everyone else IMO... I trust in his opinion but also question it slightly due to the regression thus far and obvious issues that have arisen. Only time will tell but I still dont look at this team in a positive light until something drastically changes on defense first, and then offense.

NC_Buckeye's picture

One step backward, two steps forward. Maybe?
I think that Meyer & staff are putting the guys thru a process. As fans we have to keep our eyes on the end goal and not dwell on the ugliness that gets us there. If we start freaking out now, Meyer is going to burn out very quickly by trying to keep up with fans' unrealistic expectations. LSD wins the race.
That's my two cents.

miggitymack's picture

Well said.
I think one of the things we all forget is that the majority of these guys are freshmen, sophmores, or juniors getting their first real shot at playing time. Add that to the fact we've gone from #WALRUSBALL to a competent offense, and I think we can give the guys some leeway.

Sorry, that's the best you get :/

Dougger's picture

scour team player of the game - i like it.
I also think we could do a better job against this MSU team. I think Leveon likes to run between the tackles rather than get outside and go East-West, which hopefully would play into our hands because big hank will just eat everything that comes his way and he's gonna run 30+ times.
I've had several conversations about Leveon Bell being 250 pounds. No way is he near that. My old rommmate that went to state with me (but is a huge fan of state) found a website saying he was upper 230's. Still big, but no 250. Doesn't look the part. 2.3yp rush for him this saturday hopefully!

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Denny's picture

Scowl team chapion this week:

Taquitos.

tennbuckeye19's picture

Kinda reminds me of :

"I reckon I'm Mr. Personality. Hmm. Mmm."

Boxley's picture

^^^Nicely played Gentlemen.
Upvote one each for creatvity, humor.

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hodge's picture

I thought about that, as well; Sparty's gameplan won't allow them to have the kind of success that our other foes have had.
But then I think, "How hard is it to install a few short timing routes and bubble screens?"  Those three-step-drops neutralize the pass rush, and the LBs can't cover 5-7 yard range that the corners miss since they aren't pressing the wideouts.  I have faith in our defense improving, but I do think it's folly to not expect offensive coordinators to tailor a game plan around our (so far) glaring weaknesses.

cplunk's picture

You have to have a QB that can accurately and quickly throw short timing routes. It is an open question as to if they do.

hodge's picture

True enough, I suppose that I at least believe Sparty to attempt to exploit this weakness, though.

OldColumbusTown's picture

I agree.
Last year with Cousins at QB, MSU actually ran a lot of quick-strike passes.  I realize Maxwell is a young, unproven QB, but that at least shows it is within MSU's arsenal and playbook.
If Ohio State does not commit more to the line of scrimmage, they have the potential to get gashed in the run game.  If they commit more to the LOS, that begs the question on what their philosophy will be on the outside this game.  Do they play off to avoid the big passing plays, or do they test the QB by pressing a little more and forcing Maxwell to have to hold the ball a little longer?

Nappy's picture

I always think if you're going to get beat you should get beat being aggressive.  I think we have the corners (preferrably Roby and Grant) to play man press coverage.  Bring Johnson a step or 2 closer to the line and try to make them beat you throwing it.  Bell is going to get his yards, but if we can hold them to less than 50% completion, I like our chances.
I'm curious to see, if Barnett is healthy enough to play, would Meyer switch Bryant out for Johnson who seems to be more of a sure tackler opposed to Bryant who tries to light people up on almost every play?

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OSUBias's picture

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It's harder for some people to install than others.

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cal3713's picture

I've watched MSU twice this year and actually came away thinking that they do play a lot of those short throws.  Not necessarily screen plays, but lots of stuff within 10 yards of the LOS.  They definitely use their tightend a ton, and he's a huge guy that's not going to far down field before getting the ball.

BuckeyeVet's picture

@Dougger & TennBuckeye - glad to see someone else thought it was funny too, although I had a slightly different take on it. "Scours" is the term for diarrhea in calves.

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Enzo's picture

How does Bryant get defensive player of the game. He had 2 personal fouls against him and that was the only time I remember his name. D. Grant and Hankins were far more deserving IMO.

chitown buckeye's picture

I agree, I know we should take the coaches opinion and grading scale over our own "eye test" but man I thought Big Hank was really standing out, moving east/west making plays all day. I'm starting to not care to much about how these players grade out. Really wish we could listen to the staff and find out exactly why they believed Bryant was Defensive player of the game. Bryant gets DPOG and has major brain fart with his personnel fouls? Maybe that is taken into account.

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Shaun OSU's picture

No offense, but I'm pretty sure the coaches have much more of a claim to who played well and who did not when they break down the film play by play (actually knowing who has what responsibilities) than an observer just watching the game. I believe Urban said he graded out 8/9 on plays where he was the point of attack. That's not shabby, especially when I'm sure others were much lower. 
And for what it's worth, Withers said they didn't blame him for the second personal foul since nothing showed up on film and the ref who flagged him was very far away to throw a flag on any verbal altercation.

chitown buckeye's picture

No offense taken. I agree with what you say as I did state "I realize we should take the coaches opinion over our own" I just thought it seemed as if Hankins was everywhere. As for the verbal altercation with Bryant. You can clearly see him saying something as well as his hands out in somewhat of a taunting fashion. Given a ref may not have heard what he said but why put yourself in the situation? Make the tackle go back to the huddle. May sound old school but how can he not be blamed for that?

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d5k's picture

Unless he said something morally offensive about the receiver's family, there's no reason to throw a flag.  He didn't even get in the guy's face or intimidate him.  Joke flag imo.
I don't recall the other penalty but I also noticed that he didn't give up any big plays or miss any big tackles so not seeing him on a highlight (for the other team) is a good thing.

chitown buckeye's picture

I agree it's a joke flag. My point is don't put the ref in the position to even think you are possibly taunting. Make the play and walk away. I think we can both agree 9x out of ten the ref will screw it up.

"I'm having a heart attack!"

builderofcoalitions's picture

I like that Everett Withers can get a little salty. Of course, I'd like for him to justify the attitude by shutting down Bell and the other Spartans this week.

Because we couldn't go for three.

njc2o's picture

i don't know.. we've played no real competition, which i think goes both ways: on one hand, "holy crap why can't we get first downs and/or stop them from getting 7 on first down automatically," and on the other, there's hope that Herman / Meyer are holding back the offensive firepower for real competition. Everyone noticed that Brax designed runs are consistently amazing? And they're not really called that often?
 
Would love just to blow the doors off of MSU.. hoping UM has a plan.

fear_the_nut70's picture

NJ, this is what it is for me: historically, I have been spoiled by shut down defenses.  I know spreads have functioned to be the great equalizer, but the teams we have played thus far did not have elite players at the skill positions.  Still, it seemed easy for our opponents on first and second down to get 5-7 yards.  Everytime I looked up, the DB's were seven yards off the ball and the linebackers were out of position at the point the ball was delivered (in ability to read the play correctly?).  A lot of things could be in play here, to include the fact that our defense was built primarily to beat teams in our conference, and MSU is more of a pro-style pound the ball kind of offense (throw the ball down the field on passes) that may play right into our hands.  Still, I think we all are right to be concerned by the lack of a dominate pass rush (yes, many of the passes were  designed to release the ball quickly against us) and linebackers who have been fairly invisible, taking wrong angles to the ball carrier, and too often failing to wrap up on tackles.  No matter the style, these are football basics, and when your offense has been so erratic, and now you go up against the best D you have seen by far, well, this is what worries me.  From what I have seen so far, I like the matchup of their O against our D better than the other way around (not by a lot, but then, everyone expects this to be a fairly close and low scoring game).  Throw in the fact that this is our first road test, and I am really concerned...

Ramzy Nasrallah's picture

Meyer said he had honest conversations with Rod Smith and his father in January about having Smith transfer. Meyer thought that'd be best for Smith’s career.

And in future news, Jaylon Smith later committed to Notre Dame. :(

buckeyedude's picture

I heard the Toledo Rockets are looking for a power RB.

 

 

headina's picture

Bryant has improved? Still goes for the big hit 95% of the time and talks trash to a crappy team while barely holding onto the lead, resulting in a drive sustaining 15 yard penalty. 

GO BUCKS

Colin's picture

I hate the praise Christian Bryant gets...yes he can lay a smackdown once or twice a game and that somehow makes up for his crap play the rest of the game. The taunting was ridiculous and his celebration after the interception against Cal would have made you think he just won the National Championship. And this:

Meyer calls Michigan State's defense one of the best he's faced in his career

Heh I wouldn't go that far. Notre Dame's offense isn't even that good and they faired pretty well against that defense.

penult's picture

I agree, really disappointing to see Christian Bryant named defensive player of the game.  I don't think he should even be considered a champion at all based on that stupid taunting penalty alone.  Based on what he has done on the field so far, he really needs to be put in his place--and I normally wouldn't make this sort of comment.
 
EDIT: Per Tim May on Twitter, Withers said he is still unsure why Bryant was flagged.  Looked like he was running his mouth, which may rarely get flagged, but still not smart.  I'd like to know what the ref thought he said.  And, yes, Bryant grading out as a champion is a good sign and I wouldn't doubt the coaches' abilities to break down film.  Other than two conversions on 3rd and 16 and 3rd and 17, I can't think of any big plays the D gave up.

Poison nuts's picture

I don't know about that taunting flag. Looked to me like he (Bryant) may have said a word or 2 but not much when the UAB guy pushed him & thats when he actually started going off. I may sound like a homer but I try to assess calls fairly & honestly thought it was a bad call myself...
edit: this said - dude should not have been defensive player of the game...

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Jeremy91's picture

Agreed.

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Culp's Freaking Hill's picture

I guess if you're counting and they are "one of the best" and then your list contains about 15 defenses.

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cal3713's picture

Indeed. I'm having trouble getting used to Meyer's hyperbole.  Tressel says someone had a very good game and it was probably that person's best game of their career.  Then this year starts and Meyer says he's going to name his next kid after John Simon (and himself).  Tough contrast.

Buck U's picture

From a fan's perspective I would agree with you.  However, if the staff graded him out as a champion then we should respect what he is doing on the field every play.  The coaches review every play by position.  Us fans obviously see the taunting and missed tacklles.  We do not see what he is doing every play, the coaches do. 
In Urban I trust.

OSUBias's picture

My biggest problem is that the hit comes 10 yards downfield and doesn't separate the guy from the ball. I don't see how that grades out in the 90's, but obviously I'm not a professional tape breaker downer like the staff.
My second biggest problem is that there appears to be little concern or punishment from the staff for the dumb penalities. Where is the motivation for him to wise up if he still gets voted the defensive player of the game? The attitude of these guys (against UA-freakin-B nonetheless) makes us look a lot more like an ahole SEC team than an Ohio State team. Talk trash when you are shutting down a good team, not getting sliced and diced for 400+ yards by CUSA bottom feeders.

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Ill_Buckeye's picture

I dont know exactly why, but I have a really big feeling that meyer is going to really shut the detractors up this weekend. When you look at the glimpses of things we've used sparingly with great success (i.e. our blitz packages, Designed Miller runs, short PA passes over the middle), I have a lot of confidence that we are going to really put together a nice outing this weekend. I think we stack the box, go one on one with their recievers, dare them to throw. On offense I think you see us come out with Braxton running out the gate, then opening up the rest of our playbook.
Am I the only one thats noticed that when we really need plays, we get them, and the tune of the offense completely changes.. We have a really smart coaching staff, that I think has tried to keep the competition at arms length. Experiment, experiment, experiment, then when they get close, go to what we know works.
Tackling is my only concern, but I think you see what this team is capable of saturday

chitown buckeye's picture

Does seem that way at times. I think these past 4 games are in a sense warmup games and a chance to "practice" more and find what works and what doesnt. I agree with you that I think offensively things may come together much more this week. Experimenting is over with, I trust Herman/Meyer will run plays that everyone feels comfortable with and we have proven successful over this 4 game stretch.

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onetwentyeight's picture

Yes, but our insatiable fanbase demands "PWNING N00BS LULZ DOMINATION" each and every week! 
It's obvious Miller can take off and get positive chunks of yardage whenever he wants to. After all the belly-aching about the # of his carries we've reduced them dramatically in the last few games, and still won. The margin has become closer but it's exactly what you need to do if your offense is largely dependent on one dude and you're trying to save him. 
 
IDK about the D though. Really hope that we can stop the inside run. Sparty doesn't do any of that fancy spread screen/bubble pass / run option to the edge type stuff that exploits speed guys in space. If they want to run the ball down our throats, I think we can handle it. Stack the box and make Maxwell beat you deep from out under center. 

cal3713's picture

Yes.  The D is the real question.  The O has a new scheme to learn, and they're being taught week by week.  The D is playing the same package that's been installed for the past 10 years, and they're getting gashed like no other defense in the past 10 years.

ElGato69's picture

Personally, I'm kinda hoping for the pleasant surprise that was the '96 defense.  Anyone who watched the D in '95 was always a little nervous, but then again, why worry?  We had an awesome offense.  Then the Bucks got Biakabutuka'd in the Michigan game.  The '96 season opened in somewhat plain fashion from a defensive standpoint, with Pagac as the new DC.  Our coming out party was in South Bend that year, as I recall.  Pagac brought the buzz saw to the party for the remaining games that season.  And if Shawn Springs hadn't slipped, and if Cooper had played Germaine more than Jackson, we all may have more nostalgic feelings about that team and Cooper :-)
Now, am I saying that the defensive personnel on this team is equivalent to that one?  No, certainly not at linebacker, and not yet in the DB corp.  My point is that I hope we've got some hole cards we have not yet played.  Go get 'em Silver Bullets!

BUCKfutter's picture

I'm really looking forward to what this team looks like when it has the motivation of a "big" game.  We brought in Meyer to do things like beat Michigan State at Michigan State, not to beat UAB by fifty gazillion.  Granted, we've looked like horse crap the last three weeks, but it's not like this isn't precendented at Ohio State by some teams that turned out to be pretty good.
We beat Cincy by 4 in 2002, and should have lost. We all know how that season ended.
In 2003, we beat SDSU by 3 and BG by 7.  BCS bowl winners.
2008 - beat Ohio U 26-14 (trailed late in the game).  Should have beaten Texas in the Fiesta.
2009 - beat Navy by 4 (would have been 2 , or maybe tied, if not for Rolle).  Rose bowl champs.
Again, I realize it is really hard not to draw conclusions from what we've seen this far, but it's human nature for things like assignments and tackling to slip if a cupcake turns out to bite a little harder than you thought, as has happened the past three weeks (although I'd argue the only true cupcake was UAB).  Very eager to see what we look like this Saturday.
 

the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS

BuckeyeW's picture

good post, thanks for the context.

Culp's Freaking Hill's picture

Also eager to see how we look Saturday, but I worry, considering our tackling woes against worst in the Pac 12 North: Cal, now having to face Michigan State's offensive line and running game.

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yrro's picture

I think that it takes some true leadership on the defensive side to play a full game against a cupcake. I remember when Coleman was playing here, he always seemed to come up with a big play whenever we were about to let one of the cupcakes finally get one the board. It's a mentality that it matters that you win 30-0 instead of 30-7.

osubuckeye4life's picture

Cupcake biting back you say?
 

WC Buckeye's picture

Holy cow! I know it's been discussed here before, but jeez, Ohio's coaching power series is impressive - Meyer, Beckman, Tressel, Pelini, Dantonio, Saban (x2), Stoops (x2), Mason, Bruce, Holtz... 1-Hayes, Hayes. Not all have turned into HOF-caliber coaches, and I know I have missed quite a few more, but man, that's a lot of wins.

The only thing that's new in the world is the history that we have forgotten.

cal3713's picture

Les Miles is also from Ohio.

WC Buckeye's picture

That's right, and there are so many more. I just did a really quick brain scan to come up with that list, you added in another name, and I am sure a little deeper research would turn up tons more. I think this was actually written up in SI awhile back.

The only thing that's new in the world is the history that we have forgotten.

WC Buckeye's picture

Here is the article - it was actually in the WSJ.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123017289813533693.html

The only thing that's new in the world is the history that we have forgotten.

GABuckeye's picture

Two things on receivers.  1) Stoneburner really needs to get the ball a handful of times per game.  2) Devin Smith says he's hard on himself and is always striving to improve.....  well a handful of drops so far this season isn't much evidence of that.  The dude has mad talent and makes some unbelievable plays, but too often I've seen him drop an easy pass.

joshhersh's picture

Any chance we've been keeping our "A" game offense under wraps for the conference sched?  I'm sure D will spend most of Sat. Afternoon with 8 or even 9 in the box to stop Sevan. 

YtownBuck13's picture

I think by "A" game offense you mean having Braxton touch the ball more. Urban was clearly limiting the touches for Braxton against UAB to possibly get other players involved or to work on some offensive things. Anyone else agree?
EDIT: By touches I mean designed runs. I know he is a QB and touches the ball every play.

fear_the_nut70's picture

I agree.  But I don't think it was to get others involved as much as it was preservation of his best player.  If we keep using Brax like we did in the UCF game, it's only a matter of time until he's holding a clipboard.  This is what truly worries me--while trying to develop other offensive plays that we can rely on, we couldn't seem to do it against weaker competition.  If that remains a constant, in close games against good opponents, we will inevitably rely more on Brax come crunch times, exposing him to more contact.
I really hate to say this, but seems much like the dilemma TSUN has faced the last two years.  I do think Brax will end up a better passes, but as of right now, our situation on offense isn't all that different from theirs.

Boxley's picture

Martinez and Nebraska have to be drooling after looking at our pass coverage. That game worries me more than MSU. However if we lose to MSU we will lost Nebraska. Win Saturday with improved defensive play and we have a shot against Nebraska. Nebraska can run and throw very well right now. MSU is one dimensional.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Please watch this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeVca9MwDX8
What you speak, not even on the radar yet.

gwalther's picture

From what I've seen so far, I think Doran Grant is our most talented corner. For all the talking up we've all done on Roby, he just really hasn't been that impressive. So far, emphasis on "so far," Roby has been more Ashton Youboty than he has Donte Whitner or Malcolm Jenkins.

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J.Mo's picture

Roby has been much better than Youboty. He hasn't been playing like an All-American but he has played some solid coverage. There's been some pass break ups he's had that has been amazing and wasn't close to PI.
Travis Howard on the other hand is more Ashton Youboty/Donald Washington/Jamario O'Neal.
I said it during fall camp that I think Grant will replace Howard sometime during the season.

baddogmaine's picture

Taking the run game away and forcing Braxton Miller to beat them with his arm is Michigan State’s goal, Meyer said.

After the Cal game our DC said he was shocked by the defenses committed to stopping Miller. Is it really taking until the fifth week for the OSU brain trust to realize that this is likely what EVERY team on our schedule intended to do and will do, until the Buckeyes make them pay for crowding the box? I had expected a more creative offense from Meyer even without Hall, certainly with him. Unless we surprise Sparty we are either going to knock down the brick wall or it will stop us in our tracks, because if the MSU defense is prepared for nothing else it will be to stop Miller from long runs and they have the players to do it.

onetwentyeight's picture

Seriously? Are you guys still b*tching over that Herman (the OC, btw) off hand comment? The offense has improved beyond our wildest dreams last year. Remember when scoring 17 points was considered some type of massive achievement? Remember Braxton 1/4 passing versus Illinois? C'mon people. The offense isn't perfect but it's improved VASTLY from LAST year. I'm sorry it hasn't met our IMAGINARY expectations of Urbanball Domination but if you actually compare it to how it was last season versus this there has been undeniable, vast improvement. And yet Herman makes one comment that is interpreted wrongly (He's remarking how he is surprised that these teams are daring to go to these lengths, not that he was legit surprised because he is stupid and never contemplated this possibility OK) and everyone goes nuts. Jeesz. 

BUCKfutter's picture

Yep, yep, and yep.  And, let's not forget that a faster paced offense will equal less ToP, which will lead to a more tired defense and possibly more (gasp) missed tackles, missed assignments, yards, and points.  Let's give our defense some time to adjust before we start going nuts.  The improved offense will eventually make up for a few more points and yards given up on defense.  It won't happen overnight.
Our D was statistically better than UF's in 2006 and LSU's in 2007.  Not much debate who the better D's on the field were though.  The talent is there with this group.  We are starting to see flashes on O, and I suspect we will start to see it on D too.

the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS

baddogmaine's picture

Yes of course, the OC, my goof on that. But yes, I am bitching. The primary  issue for me isn't comparing this year's offense with last year's. The issue is evaluating how well our coaches are preparing us to play the teams on this year's schedule. And I think all of Buckeye Nation has every right to be upset with a coach this year saying after game three that he was unpreapred to face defenses designed to stop what appears to the entire planet to be this year's best offensive Buckeye weapon.
This year's team is 96th in the country in pass offense. Not good enough by ANY expectations, real or imaginary. Our overall offense is 52nd out of 120 against a schedule that, as bad as the B1G may be, has been easier than what we are about to face on average. That does not meet my expectations, though perhaps I'm in the minority.
Since you brought up last year your memory of last year is a bit off - we scored 17 or fewer points only 5 times out of 13 games, we scored over 23 eight times, over 30 5 times. So yes, our scoring is up this year but last year was better than you are suggesting. And I'd say scoring 28 against UAB seems to me to be very much on par with scoring 17 against IL or FL or 14 against PSU as we did last year.
Hopefully we'll score more against MSU this year than we did last. Though that may depend on Herman having a Plan B when MSU collapses on Miller.

Squirrel Master's picture

Not to jump in but those 5 games that this offense score 30+ last year, were the best offensive games this team had. They played great to get those scores. Not to mention 3 of those scores were against Akron, Indiana and Colorado! Not real tough matchups there.
This offense is struggling mightly to be consistent and yet they are averaging 33 points a game so far. They are averaging what last years team hoped to score. Aside from the score, this offense is much more explosive than last year. We have seen some 3 and outs so far but they have been 3 and outs with a few throws down field, a couple of different looks with the run! Last year was 3 I drive handoffs and a punt! It was boring and you can tell there was NO CHANCE that offense could average 30+.
Once this offense figures it out, lights out! Maybe it will take 1 more game changer (Marshall), maybe it will take a current player to grow all year, maybe it will take one day for this offense to go "hey, we can manipulate the defense to do what we want it to do". Last year, it was "hey, we are going to run DAVE until we are sucessful with it".
2 totally different offenses! This one has hope at least!

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ODEEZ330's picture

i think msu's offense is a good match up for any def. that offense is bad except bell and the te

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otrain2416's picture

Thanks for the update funny side note Bleacher Report graded our players and graded Bryant out at an F thought it was ironic he was defensive player of the week. They apparently missed that one

Tommy's picture

Is there a link to this week's game notes/depth chart somewhere that I missed?