Tuesday Skull Session

By Danny on March 27, 2012 at 6:00a

Good morning Buckeye faithful and welcome to your Tuesday Skull Session.

Well it turns out the Final Four is this weekend and not last weekend, making my impromptu spring break trip to New Orleans this past weekend a bit of a let down. In all seriousness, though, Final Four or no Final Four, Bourbon Street is my new official street in this great country of ours.

New Orleans is such a great time that my friend who went with me last weekend and endured the rigorous 14-hour drive down there and also back to Columbus, will be going back down this weekend for the game. Oh the challenging life of a Political Science major.

If I hadn't spent every penny to my name last weekend, you bet I'd be back down there again. Even last weekend when the Buckeyes weren't in New Orleans, I ran into alumni of this great university just watching the game and jumping up and down like little children after learning that their beloved team had accomplished something so great.

If people are excited about the Buckeyes in New Orleans when they weren't even their last week, imagine how incredible it's going to be this week. To all those going: Paint Bourbon Street scarlet and grey. Let's ride this momentum to a championship.

Go Bucks.


ALL-AMURICAN. Jared Sullinger has officially become the first player to repeat as an All-American team selection in the last three years. The 6-9 sophomore is joined by Thomas Robinson of Kansas, Draymond Green of Michigan State, Anthony Davis of Kentucky, and Doug McDermott of Creighton on the All-American team.

Tyler Hansbrough of North Carolina was the last player in college basketball to be selected two years in a row back in 2009. Sullinger is also the first freshman to repeat as an All-American since Louisiana State University's Chris Jackson did it back in 1989 and 1990.

The selection of Thomas Robinson and Sully to the All-American team sets up an All-American matchup next week between the two big men. I expect both players to have big games and neutralize each other. It's going to come down to whoever can stay out of foul trouble as well as whose teammates are able to come up big when it matters most.

I SWEAR, I'VE CHANGED. Many refer back to Kansas' win over Ohio State at the beginning of the season as a fluke win in large part because Jared Sullinger was injured for the game.

The Buckeyes played Kansas pretty close throughout the duration of the game, but just didn't have the talent to overcome the future All-American Thomas Robinson without their best player. Many believe OSU is going to be the favorite this time around since Thad Matta's squad back at full strength, but Kansas' head coach Bill Self isn't buying it.

Self believes his team is a much different and better team since their original matchup with the Bucks.

“I felt like we had to beat Ohio State back in December to put us in a position to have a quality win to get in the NCAA Tournament,” Self said. “That was my mindset. We have gotten so much better."

Kansas' Travis Releford stated that he didn't believe his coach thought they could be as good as they've turned out this season in the beginning.

“The beginning,” Travis Releford said when asked when he first thought this could be a Final Four team. “Coach probably didn’t agree with it, but we all came together outside of the gym and just were talking and told ourselves that we’re coming together this year. And listen to coach and listen to the things he wants us to do and play the way he wants us to play, then we can get there. And we buckled down and we just listened.”

We'll get to see how well Self's players were listening to him this season come Saturday.


Somewhere underneath a pile of beads is my dignity on that street.

THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BRACKET. While OSU fans are salivating over their own matchup this weekend, there is another game to be played on the other side of the bracket, and it should be a doozy.

As John Clay of Kentucky.com writes, Kentucky has some passionate basketball fans. The state has been blessed by the college basketball gods with two excellent programs in Louisville and Kentucky.

Both teams feature big-name coaches in Rick Pitino and John Calipari, both have extremely wild fan bases, and both have never met in the final four. Clay points out how the two schools came close to meeting on college basketball's biggest stage back in 1975 and 1986 but both years one team fell a game short.

Clay's article also mentions how this will be the first time two programs from the same state will play in the Final Four since Ohio State and Cincinnati met in the national championship back in 1962.

Both teams know how much is on the line this game in terms of getting to the National Championship game, but the in-state bragging rights will also be another big reward for the winner of this game. My money is on Kentucky, but it's still March and crazier things have happened.

FOOTBALL? IN SPRING? Urban Meyer stated over a month ago at a meeting with the Ohio High School Football Coaches Association that he would like to help Ohio implement football practices for high schools for 10 days during the spring.

Supporters of this proposal believe it will help Ohio high school football players compete with players from other states which already do this. But B.J. Bethel of Dayton Daily News asks how much will this truly benefit high school players?

Bethel cites that according to the NCAA only 1 in 17 high school football players actually go on to play college football. So will these additional practices really benefit the more average high school players?

In my opinion, I believe any amount of extra practice should help improve any player's overall quality of play, however, I can't possibly believe that a few extra practices will have an incredibly significant effect on the overall quality of Ohio high school football.

Personally, I think Meyer is doing this because he thinks he can get on high school coaches' good side and that it will help him with recruiting. As Bethel claims in the article, Meyer's proposal benefits high school and college coaches way more than it does players.

I guess I don't really have anything against extra practices, but I'm not really for it either. I'm very indifferent on the matter, unless it helps Meyer bag every great recruit in the state of Ohio, then I'm in.

LOS LINKS. Ohio State game notes for the final four... The road to Bourbon Street starts on High Street... Kansas Ohio State game poll... Your Wooden Award All-American team... Austin Rivers goes to the NBA.



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Denny's picture

If implementing football practices in the spring keeps high school kids from participating in other sports (mostly thinking baseball and track) I don't see how it'd be a good thing. One of the best things about high school was the ability to dabble in a bunch of sports and have fun with and learn from them; officially sanctioning kids to focus on just one sport at the expense of another would remove a lot of that. Ten days is pointless if it pre-empts participation in other sports (which it probably would, thanks to unchill helicopter coaches).


Mr. Slick's picture

This.  + as high a number as you can think of

ziplock007's picture

10 days isn't pointless.  It's not the amount of days, it's the impact.
Spring football in college is no longer back page material that leads to a stupid scrimmage; it's front page news, starting jobs on the line, and 90,000+ in attendance.

The point of spring practices is to further ingrain football into the minds of youths year round (hard to believe, but couldn't that happen in high schools too). Let the coaches see kids one more time before the summer, let the summer camps have one more time to pitch their services.  Let the competing QBs prepare harder in the winter months because they get a chance to impress the coach in the spring. Let the coach tell the soon-to-be-seniors to get the team in voluntary workouts after school because starting spots are on the line (they really aren't but kids believe anything).

10 days won't turn a Joe Bausermann into a Peyton Manning (ok, bad example)... but it's the cultural impact it will have on the football youth and communities.

Think cultural impact, not skill refinement.

Denny's picture

'The point of spring practices is to further ingrain football into the minds of youths year round.'

Yeah, this is exactly why I think spring football at the high school level is not a good idea. Most of the kids playing football in high school aren't going to be playing football for their entire lives, so maybe further ingraining football into their lives isn't the brightest idea.


chitown buckeye's picture

I think that is a little harsh! Just because you are not going to do something for "the rest of your life" doesnt mean it isnt worth giving it your all while your playing HS athletics! I for one loved playing football and knew I was never going to play at the next level. I would have loved to play it as much as I could for those 4yrs! I think his point of "ingraining it in there minids" simply meant giving players more time to practice and think about football for those that want too.

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Denny's picture

I never said that players shouldn't give their all, or that playing football isn't enjoyable. What I'm talking about is making football a disproportionately large aspect of kids' development, especially when it's a fleeting thing. I may have been a bit blunt about making my point, but not unnecessarily harsh; sugarcoating a bad idea does nothing but detract from the argument that the idea is bad.


ziplock007's picture

I never said it was a good idea... I just understand why Meyer would want it.

Denny's picture

Gotcha - I didn't gather the 'from Meyer's perspective' part. Makes sense from that angle, but from a general "adults making decisions that will have a pronounced impact on kids' lives and development" standpoint, it's not a very good idea.


LadyBuck's picture

I don't see how 10 practices will stop people from participating in other sports. Even having football as a spring sport, too, wouldn't deter kids from doing another sport. I know in my high school, most of the kids did two sports almost every season (minus winter). If kids want to participate in another sport, they will find a way to do so.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I think Kansas is a much improved team after watching them play. I also think OSU (when they are "blue color") is a much better team than they were. Should be stressful throughout.

FortMeyer's picture

So Self said "We have gotten so much better. We’re like 8-3, lose to Davidson, and you know, no chemistry whatsoever. I mean, just bad” when looking back to the OSU win. So he is saying a team as bad as his was, beat OSU. I appreciate coach Matta so much. He doesn't resort to these little backhanded jabs and doesn't show that arrogant side alot of coaches do.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

[Note: if you're an Ohio State bball player please do not read the following comment]

In retrospect, either Self was being phony about his team or he's not an astute bball observer.

No question, KU had problems earlier in the year protecting the bball. That they started 7-3 against such a brutal schedule (for the first 10 games), however, did not any way show that they were "just bad." They lost to UK (14 TOs), Duke (17 TOs), and Davidson (14 TOs); they beat Georgetown (12 TOs), a Sully-less but still game Ohio State (18 TOs), and had a better-than-it-appeared-at-the-time 8-pt win over Long Beach State (22 TOs). KU was nowhere near as bad in December as Self pretended, even with their sloppy ball handling.

At the same time, KU is not as good right now (in March) as Self's narrative trajectory would lead us to believe. Yes, KU got better at taking care of the ball, but if anything they might have peaked in late January. In this tournament, an overachieving KU meant they were lucky to beat Purdue; NC State was probably the better team, but isn't as clutch as KU, which is very good in end-game situations (hint: if the Buckeyes are ahead in the 2H this Saturday, they better step on KU's necks).

Simply, the B12 was probably a bit overrated, especially in terms of defensive play (where have we heard that before?), and KU does not have a lot of weapons in half-court offense. No doubt they can beat Ohio State, but I like the Buckeyes chances much more than if I fully bought into Self's rhetoric.  

RedStorm45's picture

Don't forget, they struggled early with Detroit.  And it took a 12-0 run at the end to put away a UNC team that was on their 3rd PG.  If Painter could finish games (well, maybe not Painter but Purdue in general), then the Jayhawks wouldn't have even made it to the sweet 16.  

SLVRBLLTS's picture

I have been saying all week that their turnover problems + tOSU's ability to create them will be the deciding factor in this game. Also, with Sullinger in there (and for the love of the Schottensteins OUT OF FOUL TROUBLE), they have no answer for Deshaun Thomas.

"Because we couldn't go for three"

LadyBuck's picture

I think that Kansas is a scrappy team that can play with the best of them, but everyone is taking it over the top. Of this "Blueblood Battle," most people wouldn't consider us a basketball blueblood. We are, without a doubt, a part of the football blueblood family -but we aren't known as a historical basketball school. This leads everyone to write us off as the supposed "riff-raff" of the group, and thus we cannot improve and better a blueblood school. 

The biggest thing I think most Kansas fans are doing is underestimating Craft and his ability to disrupt, defend, and turn you over. While more scoring from him would be awesome, he's earned his spot on the floor with his rabid defense. I am quite excited to see the point guard match up with Tyshawn Taylor. 

Plus, who's had an answer for Thomas?

OSUbucknut's picture

Most high school football players choose to play football.  Most will be happy to have extra practices in the spring.  Also, I can't wait for Saturday when Thad Matta can release the Junkyard dog  Aaron Craft on the Jayhawks.  

Also Charlie Weis is fat

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I don't have a position either way, but you raise a good point. The potential negative impacts on kids from adding spring football might be negligible. Consider . . .

The stud multi-sport kids can skip spring fball and still be so athletically superior to their peers that they won't miss a beat.

The kids who play multiple sports but who are marginal fball players might fall even a little further behind in fball by skipping spring practice, but that's their choice and it's not like they have a future in fball; conversely, if they decide to play spring ball, it might slightly improve their fball prospects.

The kids who live and breathe fball will get to practice and play more fball.

The biggest potential problem with spring fball might be that competing coaches will play tug-of-war with the kids, give them ultimatums, etc. On the other hand, is it a bad thing that some kids might have to make tough choices as a result of being offered a broader menu of sports choices?    


Miller's picture

My kid LOVES football. The day after his basketball team lost in the sectionals, he told me "football season started today, Pops". He's been lifting and conditioning like mad since, and while the coaches can do that -- they can't do *football* drills. Only conditioning. 10 days in the Spring -- right now -- would be enough for them to do some basic work with the guys and talk to them about where they might fit come August, and what they need to focus on, AND show them some basic drills to work on their football skills. Even at a small school like ours, we've got a lot of boys that are not running track or playing baseball -- just working out and waiting for July.

Spring football would be AWESOME.

FortMeyer's picture

As your stats show, Run_Fido, Self is tooting his own horn and starting to build his theme for his players going into the game with OSU. They beat us when they were supposedly at their worst so beating us now should be a cakewalk. And in marches the OSU defense that isn't comparable to anything they have played against. Turnovers are a 'comin.

thatlillefty's picture

Spring is for baseball

LadyBuck's picture

I've never been a huge baseball or softball fan, to be honest. Spring and summer are the "sportless" times in my house. Mostly camps and practices for wrestling. 

OSUbucknut's picture

If a kid skips spring practice in favor of another sport he won't necissarily be punished. When August comes around and he's the fastest kid on the feild MOST coaches will find a spot for him.


sarasotabcg's picture

As a former college athlete, I can guarantee that every extra practice matters. There was a study a few years ago that proved it. It found that humans require 10000 hrs of practice in order to master something, whether its surgery, playing the piano or anything else.

My buddies and I used to laugh at how announcers gush over what David Beckham did on the soccer field because we used to be able to do everything that he could do. The difference is that he could do it more consistently than we could, and thats because he's been kicking a ball everyday since birth, whereas we didn't practice everyday until we were 16-17 yr olds.

Denny's picture

Require? False. I don't think even Gladwell would make that claim.


Squirrel Master's picture

I don't think Kansas knows how different OSU is than earlier. True, Kansas is not the same team but if you take the same principle that if you stop Tyshaun Taylor and Thomas Robinson, then you can beat them. That right there just falls right into the wheelhouse of Craft and Sully.

OSU is absolutely different then that team. Buford was the primary scorer when Sully was out. Now he is more of a role player alongside Smith Jr and Thomas is the primary scorer. This team had no idea how to play without Sullinger. It was ugly and a horrible thing to watch, and yet OSU really wasn't outclassed. Now Ravenel is a solid backup and Amir williams can come in a give some tough minutes as a shot blocking presence. This team is much deeper in experience and can create some serious matchup problems while still having their best players on the opponents best players. Craft is a shut down machine. Sully will equal Robinson's production if not excede it.

I really think that OSU will impose its will on Kansas just like it did against Syracuse.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

btalbert25's picture

On paper I agree, but all it takes is 2 quick fouls from Sully and Robinson owns the game.  We've seen how much the officials have influenced the games so far this tournament.  I think Ohio State will win this game, but I'm not comfortable making predictions that either Sully or Robinson will dominate or exceed the other, when one will likely find a seat on the bench for an extended period of time because of foul trouble. 

Of course this team will be much different than they were in December when they played Kansas the first time.  Kansas is different too.  That's why I never get to high or low on wins and losses in November and December.  The teams are completely different come March. 

Doc's picture

The officiating has been very nit picky, and not just on the Buckeyes.  XU/Baylor was the same way.  It seems the refs are trying to keep the lid on things and not let the games turn into slugfests.  I agree with this some what, but they also need to let the game flow.  the stoppages kill flow and help keep a team in games when they should be blown out.

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Squirrel Master's picture

If sully gets in foul trouble, I think OSU is in better shape than if Robinson gets into foul trouble early. I like what Ravenel and Amir are doing now and Thomas is a world better than he was back in January. When Buford was the leading scorer and considered pretty much the #2 behind Sully, this team was still not ready. Now that Thomas has become that #2, this team is deep. I like Buford, but I think he is a better player when he is a compliment, not a leader. He excels at being that 3-4 option.

Plus Craft is in pure beast mode!

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O-H-I-Owe-U's picture

Will Sully provide a little better defensive support when Kansas penetrates the middle? He seems slow of late to roll over and help. I think Boeheim made this observation. 

awwwwwwop's picture

As long as Withey is in the game, Sully and Robinson won't even guard eachother.  Withey will guard Sully and the more athletic Robinson will guard Thomas.  I doubt this is even a question in either coaches minds.  It is kind of crazy to me how much emphasis is being put on a matchup that won't even be the gameplan.  Both coaches know that Sully and Robinson can get their opposing player into foul trouble so you are going to keep them away from each other.  I feel like that is a no brainer.

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RBuck's picture

Sully and Robinson won't even guard eachother. 


So, who's going to guard Robinson?

Long live the southend.

Squirrel Master's picture

It may have to be sully because I am not sure Thomas can handle robinson. Of course, I think Thomas can beat Robinson on the other end too. Thad might have to believe that Robinson will get his and just keep Thomas on him and hope for the best and that thomas will equal his production.

Then again,Thad could have Thomas on Robinson and use Sully to leak over for a double team. Also, Craft has been awesome at creeping down and getting a hand in the post.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I'm guessing Tank and Ravenel will rotate on Robinson.

Sometimes, Ravenel might sub for Sully and they'll play "four guards," but also Sully and Ravenel could play together.

Whithey figures to play roughly 30 minutes, Robinson more like 35 or 36 minutes, so there will be times when the Buckeyes don't have to match two bigs. There might be a couple of minutes when either Sully or Ravenel is the only Ohio State big going against both Robinson and Whithey, which would pose matchup problems for both teams, but for the most part, the Buckeyes figure to match KU's two bigs - using some combo of Sully, Tank, Ravenel.

Williams would also be in play, but you know Matta . . . What are the odds he calls Williams' number if all three (Sully, Tank, Ravenel) never get into any serious foul trouble?  

Squirrel Master's picture

and I guess that is the hope, Robinson and co. get into foul trouble early and Sully and co. don't. It would suck for Amir but at the same time when he gets playing time that means foul trouble. I would prefer if Amir gets PT because its a blowout. I am confident though after the last game that Amir could step in and keep the status quo until Sully can get back on the court. That is where I see the difference the most. If robinson and Withey get into foul trouble, could their bench matchup very well with Sully and thomas? I don't think so.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I agree, ensuring that KUs bigs get into foul trouble before Ohio State's bigs do is one key to the game. 

KU's back-up bigs would probably do okay on D and wouldn't be a major dropoff in rebounding, but they figure to be liabilities on offense - and KU's half-court offense doesn't look great with Robinson out there. With Craft guarding Tyshawn Taylor, that'd leave Johnson and Releford having to create much of KUs offense. Keep them out of transition and the Buckeyes would probably handle that just fine.

If this is a key, it might behoove the Buckeyes to sub Ravenel into the game early - bang with Robinson, maybe eat a foul or two. If they're able to get an early lead, sub-in Williams for a few minutes, to bang some more and eat another foul or two. Keep Sully and Tank out of foul trouble, hopefully egg Robinson into a few cheapies.    

Squirrel Master's picture

True. I think I am moreso saying that based on production, not really head to head battles, Sully can negate any advantage Kansas has had with Robinson. Although I personally feel, when the time comes near the end of the game, each coach will want his best player on the opposing teams best player. Withey will guard Sully for most of the game, but come crunch time, Robinson will need to guard Sully because if he doesn't, Sully will eat up Withey. Withey is tall but that not necessarily means he can handle Sully.

Not head to head but as far as performance goes, this is what I see:

Craft = Taylor

Sully = Robinson


Smith=elijah Johnson


OSU bench> KU bench


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Triv's picture

If I recall correctly though those 2 don't play together very often. It's usually one or the other

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

Squirrel Master's picture

which 2?

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

You mean Whithey and Robinson at the same time on the floor?

You might be right, but perhaps that was more the case earlier in the season?

Recently, Whithey's minutes have been rising. He played 29 minutes against Detroit, 15 against Purdue, 33 against NC State, and 28 against UNC.

Since Robinson plays like 33-36 minutes, that would put them on the floor together quite a bit.

Sully can send Whithey to the bench, hopefully, by using his strength and bulk advantage to pin him into bad spots on the floor. At that point, maybe KU would go to a more 1 in, 4 out style and try to run the Purdue offense on the Buckeyes? Well, they'd be able to duplicate Purdue's slashing ability off the pick & roll, but I'm not sure they can shoot the three as well as the Boilermakers. 


Run_Fido_Run's picture

Come to think of it, we might see more of Ravenel in this game than we've seen lately.

The Buckeyes can't afford Tank to get into foul trouble guarding Robinson, either. Since Robinson rarely shoots threes, which is what might give Ravenel trouble, Ravenel - who appears to outweigh Robinson by 20 lbs - should be able to play him tough on the inside, block him out.

If Ravenel can slow down Robinson a bit, Sully will not only be protected from fouls, he'll have more energy to go on the attack. Whithey is a great shot blocker, but Sully is stronger and bulkier, especially with his "core muscle groups." If Sully can use his body positioning to pin Whithey into bad spots on the floor, he should be able to get good shots off, assuming no double-team.

Baylor's bigs feasted down low on KU a few weeks ago. Zeller, Henson, and McAdoo combined for 42 pts even with the third-string PG on the floor.       

Squirrel Master's picture

and who is really scary coming off of Kansas's bench if Robinson or Withey get into foul trouble? I don't think their bench is as concerning as OSU's with Ravenel and Amir.

If starting five for both teams are equal, it may have to be Scott, Amir and Thompson to make sure they outplay Kansas's bench.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Just reading the stats, it doesn't appear that KU has anyone scary coming off the bench.

Conner Teahan is a good-sized guard (6-6, 212 lbs) who gets the 6th most minutes and he seems like a decent role player. Maybe he's a very good defender, but he has modest statistical production.

Kevin Young (6-8, 198 lbs) and J. Wesley (6-9, 220 lbs) provide size off the bench. Young did pull down 8 RBs against UNC and he's been playing about 10 minutes recently. Wesley plays a few minutes here and there. When these guys are out there, KU probably loses a bit in terms of half-court offense and shot-blocking, but not much in rebounding (Whithey is thin; plus, shot blockers tend to end up out of position for RBs).  

chitown buckeye's picture

I think the extra practices would help step up the overall player ability of a HS athlete. I just think it gives players more time to be with coaches and get a chance to start thinking in a
"football" mind. I remember being in HS and when basketball season was finished I did nothing in the spring. (as I wasnt a very fast guy and didnt care much for baseball) I also wasnt a stud football player either but I think had spring practice been offered it would have made me a much better fottball player by giving me something to focus on in the Spring and continue those drills and excitement thru the summer with some other players. Studs are going to be studs in high School no doubt about it but for those that dont have Spring plans or are on the fence as far as pure talent I think could really benefit from 10 days of practice. I think more than anything its benefit would be getting everyone in a football mindset. Letting players put the pads on and hit eachother for a few days and help build excitement to the coming season. Again I think this would have an effect on the players to continue to work hard through the summer. Which is probalby where the true benefit would come.

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FortMeyer's picture

Think of what the Jayhawks are subjected to. As thee program, thee "thing" to follow and support there. Self and that team are put on the same pedestal we put our football program on. But we have great basketball too. They do not. If Kansas believes their hype and starts to feel some pressure after the game starts after we get a lead, it would be good. Nothing is as deflating as being patted on the back, being told how great you are, and then have your ass handed to you. Ask our team during their 3 losses in that 5 game stretch how that felt. Hope it all works in our favor.

btalbert25's picture

How many practices does a college team get before a bowl, 12-16?  EVERYONE always talks about how essential those bowl practices are to the future of the team etc.  I've always heard how well coached Ohio High School Football players are, so it makes sense to me that 10 practices in spring would help to improve players and teams.  Would it be earth shattering?  Probably not, but I don't think bowl practices are all that big of a deal either. 


Squirrel Master's picture

I think it could be beneficial if the high school players get some work or help with college coaches. I am sure that is not the case though, due to NCAA regs., but that would be a huge benefit to those players.

Truly I think this does benefit the coaches, high school and college, way more than the players but if at one instance it helps a group of players, then there will be success. I do hope that this gets Urbans foot into a couple more doors and perhaps puts a little perspective into why it is better to recruit in state, if players are considered equal. I don't doubt Urban knows the importance of keeping recruits instate, but something like this could make that much more of an impression on him and his staff.

and who knows, with the expected turnover in staff, he might find some good coaches that he might want to hire on future staffs. No reason why he shouldn't keep the roots of the coaching tree in the heart of Ohio.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

PWLafferty. TBDBITL. TRow.'s picture

This may seem petty, but if anyone is planning on being on High St. to send off the team, would you take some video or pictures if the turn out is any good? I'm working that evening but would otherwise be there. Bucks.

"I'm up there with Chris and Dave Pass, getting ready to broadcast that game, and that band came out of that tunnel, I was wiping tears out of my eyes and all the memories came back." ~Urban Meyer

RedStorm45's picture


^found this funny.

Not to beat a dead horse, but here is a tweet from ESPNStatsInfo: William Buford in NCAA Tourney: 10-21 on uncontested FGA, 3-23 when contested by a defender.

NW Buckeye's picture

Spring Football. I coached in Washington for 25+ years.  We have spring practice.  It does not have the negative impact that BJ Bethel makes it out to be.  I don't know what format is being proposed, but we had our turn outs (total of 10 turnouts in 2 weeks) after spring sports were completed.  And, yes, we allowed sufficient time for playoffs to be completed in track and baseball.  Don't know if this is possible in Ohio because as I recall your baseball season runs kind of late.

It seems the biggest argument against it is the imposition on the athletes to "specialize" in a fall sport and give up their spring sports.  We did not find that to be the case in WA.  Coaching ranks are very thin in HS.  Most spring sports, particularly track and baseball, have a coach or coaches who also coach football in the fall.  And, most head FB coaches generally encourage their athletes to at least run track.  So, whatever format would be adopted would most likely make room for other spring sports. 

Also, consider this - the only major HS sport that does not have year round organized leagues is football.  Basketball kids are busy with summer leagues, AAU, etc.  Likewise for soccer and baseball.  It anything, football is actually losing athletes to other sports because of the over zealous pursuit of younger athletes by these organizations.  10 practices in the spring is not going to dissuade any kid from playing another sport.  What it does is encourage is those multiple sport athletes (and their numbers are really low) to develop their football skills while they may continue to participate in other sports.  It also offers an opportunity for some athletes to try the sport for two weeks to see if they have an interest in playing in the fall. 

And, for what it's worth, I am not a proponent of HS athletes specializing in one sport.  I very much like the idea that each sport has it's own season.  However, the reality is that most HS sports now claim the entire year as their season through non HS leagues supported by the thirst for year round competition/specialization by many parents.  The article states that the intent of spring practice is to make Ohio competitive with the other States that have implemented it.  In reality the competition is with other sports that demand year round commitment from the athlete. 

Seth4Bucks's picture

That All American team has some size to it . . . geez is there a hypothetical rebound they couldn't get?

btalbert25's picture

I guess I don't see the big deal about spring football.  I remember playing fall baseball.  It wasn't neccessarily sanctioned by Kentucky high school athletics, but my high school team had  a team that competed in fall ball leagues over the years.  Pretty much 100% of us new we weren't going to be MLB players, and only a couple had the talent to play on a schollie somewhere, yet we opted to play baseball.  My school didn't offer football, but if it did, I can assure you I would've played fall ball over football any day because I loved baseball and wanted to play no matter what.

I know there was also spring soccer and indoor soccer leagues that went on through the winter and spring where kids from school who may have been good at track or baseball opted to play in the various soccer leagues instead because that's what they enjoyed doing. 

Are there going to be more kids going to Division 1 schools or making the NFL because they got 10 extra practices in high school, probably not, but why shouldn't kids have that option to do something they love in the spring. 

Doc's picture

The SEC has won 6 straight MNC's.  They have spring ball.  Why not give our Ohio players every advantage.  If you play football, you want to play football.  I bet the majority of high school football players, if asked, would want some sort of spring football.

Basketball, baseball soccer, volleyball all have some other "season".  Why not football?

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