A Hater's Guide to Big Ten Expansion

By DJ Byrnes on March 8, 2012 at 2:49p
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In the summer of 2010, Jim Delany peeled the Big 12 North's most vital asset off its hands: the University of Nebraska. It was the dick-swinging power move we've come to expect from the scion of collegiate athletics. Since then, Delany has remained on the sideline while his adversaries have scrambled around throwing projected bags of money at various universities. 

Sure, there was the four-year scholarship model he sprang on the country hours before National Signing Day. Then there was the about-face on the issue of play-offs. Then a first-of-its-kind "cultural agreement" with the Pac-12. Now, however, it appears Delany may be ready to make another power move on his foes.

It was rumored this week the Big Ten (via pressure from ESPN?) might be eyeing Notre Dame, Rutgers, Maryland and Georgia Tech in a quest to attain 16 teams. According to From the Rumble Seat's report, the Big Ten could offer newcomers a 25-30 million dollar infusion into their athletic programs via broadcasting rights. (I think I've seen this porno before.)

I'm glad the Big Ten is talking expansion again, because if nothing else, it allows me to dig into my bag of tricks, pull out my Hater's Monocle and tackle the issue with the general ignorance it takes to write a Hater's Guide. But before we talk expansion, I'd like to talk about the issue of detraction.

dead weight

Pennsylvania State University - It once took me 13 hours to drive through the state of Pennsylvania. I guess that's PDOT's master plan, slow down everybody trying to high-tail it out of their moribound state? Have you ever been stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic in rural Pennsylvania? I'm not sure the American government could even torture enemies of the state like that. By the way, I was 12 when this went down and it was actually my mom who was driving. Just know -- I've hated Pennsylvania before it came fashionable to do so

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When I fantasized about casting Penn State's gutter-dwelling, cowardly fanbase out of the Big Ten, the only time I thought the Federal Justice Department would be involved included necrophilia charges centering on some sick abuse of Joe Paterno's corpse. (RIP Joe Paterno, who tragically was eaten alive by a pack of wild wasps in 2009.)

Sadly, the Federalés are now sniffing around an alleged cover-up of the Jerry Sandusky incident. I'm sure Penn State's fans/lawyers would argue something like "AW SHUCKS, it's just mere string of unfortunate coincidences over the course of nearly 15 years." I hope the judge shits on them when they do.

The Big Ten should not be associated with anything that is going to come out of this federal investigation into Penn State. Federal prosecutors, especially the one looking into Penn State, aren't known for games. So just know if Penn State catches a case, it's curtains for them. 

If Penn State had any dignity, they would have forfeited the rest of their 2011 season. They didn't. In fact, they hired another football coach and plan on fielding a team in 2012. I hope it doesn't take a Federal incitement to prove how disgusting this is. 

All Penn State players should be given their immediate and unconditional scholarship release and a stuffed Nittany Lion head should be mounted on the wall as a lesson to the next group of people who think "the brand" is more important than systematic child molestation. Trust me, Delany, you won't regret this one.

UNIVERSITY OF IOWA - What is the point of Iowa? Besides being behind the scheme of ethanol? Their basketball team belongs in the 1940's. Their football program has paid Kirk Ferentz MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. This is why I do my part, EVERY DAY, to contribute to global warming. That way, when the climates shift, Iowa won't be able to grow corn and it will become a modern day Dust Bowl


RUTGERS - ​Speaking of giving money to abominations of humanity, did you know Rutgers University once paid Snooki 32,000 dollars to speak at their prestigious university? Given Snooki is probably carrying the fetus of the Antichrist within her already bulbous stomach, I want nothing to do with the entire state of New Jersey, let alone their flagship "university".

What does Rutgers have besides one good year with Ray Rice? If Atlantic City had any balls and they legalized sports gambling, I might be willing to turn a blind eye, but New Jersey basically spawned a holocaust against American culture. Am I supposed to believe people in New York City's market will suddenly be interested in an Indiana-Purdue tilt just because the Big Ten signed fucking Rutgers? Because I won't.

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Notre Dame - LOLOLOLOLOLOL. I just banged my head into my keyboard, and that's the sentence my thrashing produced, so that tells you how much a joke the idea of Notre Dame joining the Big Ten is to me. Let those obtuse moralists wallow away as an Independent just like their decaying fanbase and status in history. The fact a private university in Indiana with like 6,000 students has a big of fanbase as it does tells you what a bunch of front-runners people who associate with the program are. Some people like hanging out with front-runners. I don't.

Notre Dame had their chance to join La Midwestito Familia and they declined. It's only a one time offer. Sorry bout'cha, Irish.

And yes, Notre Dame. I've been to your shitty ass "cathedral of football". In fact, I took an official tour with a girl who was thinking of going school there. After eating your shitty, overpriced food in one of your shitty Hogwarts-styled dining halls, I convinced her not to go into financial debt to attend your overrated institution. She went to Stanford and now won't have to deal with a lacquered stick of wood lodged in her anal cavity for the rest of her life. 

I have been alive for 25 years, and Notre Dame seems to only be relevant because a bunch of white people over the age of 35 tell me they used to be mean something back in the day. Whatever. 

Georgia Tech - Hmmmm... that's in Georgia, right? *googles 'Which side of the war was Georgia on?', sees it was a member of the Confederacy, squints* Sorry, Tech. We ain't got no space in this league for losers.

University of Maryland - I was thinking of green-lighting this move, only then because "University of Minnesota" would no longer be the most prestigious "UM" in the conference. Then I realized they serve things like crabcakes in Maryland. Have you ever been to Maryland? That's all it is, a bunch of East Coasters pushing crabcakes and naval history on you. Plus, to get there, you'd have to drive through Pennsylvania. So sorry, Terps, looks like you'll have to keep your usually mediocre, sometimes over-achieving basketball team on the second best coast in America.


If Delany were to follow the judgments of this guide.... that would leave the Big Ten with.... *hits a few buttons on a T-89 calculator*... ten whole teams in the Big Ten, which would bring us back in line with history and common sense. If the Big Ten is forced to expand, then it might be time to deal with the likes of Minnesota, Northwestern and Purdue. 

The Big Ten should just be that, the Big Ten. 


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ATXbucknut's picture

Dude, that is harsh.  Funny as chit, but harsh.   I'm not in favor of further expansion (unless it includes ND, b/c that would definitely increase revenue for all B1G teams, including OSU). I'm definitely not in favor of dropping any of the traditional B1G teams. Penn State: maybe. Iowa: no way!

bassplayer7770's picture

I'm mostly with you on this.  I like the current 12 team conference and having a conference championship game.  I also like the B1G/PAC 12 challenge idea.  I am not in favor of further conference expansion.

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

If we had to add 4 schools you'd have to want Notre Dame($), I'd say Kansas(hoops school), and I know it sounds crazy, but Army- Navy.   The SEC is going to be so top heavy, the league will end up sucking in a few years. Missouri and A&M are dumb, someone has to lose, probably going to be them with Ole Miss, Kentucky, and Miss St.   

IF the B1G was forced to expand, I say stick to tradition, and keep our top tier football programs on top. Kansas would be great for Basketball, Iowa State would be another one to consider. Army and Navy would mean alot as far as tradition and academic excellence go. JMO

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Doc's picture

DJ, every letter was pure gold.  I could not agree more on all fronts.  PSU was a good idea when they had it, but their time has run its course.  The Notre Lame idea is just that Lame.  Why do we want another second tier team in the league?  Same goes for Rutgers and Maryland.  Georgia Tech?  WTF?  They couldn't get any farther away.  Seems weak to me.  I'm all for going back to 10 teams in the B1G.


p.s.  That picture of the ND kid looks "special".  He must have got those rings from a tat parlor in Cbus, you know he didn't win them.

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btalbert25's picture

In general, I think expansion doesn't have so much to do with quality as it does markets the B1G network can get into.  Add Rutgers, ND, Maryland, and GT and you are in several HUGE markets.  Maybe you don't dominate new york or Atlanta, but that's not the point, the point is the B1G network gets in more markets, more eyeballs more subscriptions, and advertisers pay a lot more money.  So Ga Tech may not be a huge deal, but if you have Ga Tech playing Ohio State or Michigan State on the B1G network in basketball, it's going to have high ratings. 

I don't want garbage teams being included in the expansion, and truth be told I don't want more than 12 teams.  I'd prefer 14 teams and I think ND and Ga Tech would be tremendous additions.  I don't think I'd like Rutgers and MD though.   

Doc's picture

F ND.  How many times are we going to ask those arrogant bastards?  They had their chance and said no.  In my opinion they need to deal with the mistake they made and become more and more irrelevant.  By continuing to ask them to join our club they feel more empowered and bigger than they are and we look desperate.  Rutgers and MD are just weak.  I'll give ya Tech.

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Baroclinicity's picture

Your disdain for ND is all the more reason to add them into the conference.  Strong feelings towards any team makes them a great opponent from a fan's point of view.  Even if they aren't the team they used to be, if they were in the B1G, tell me you wouldn't be jacked every time we played them.  In the end, as fans, that's what we're looking for!

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hodge's picture

I would love beating the bejesus out of ND on an annual basis.

NC_Buckeye's picture

+ gazillion

ND fans are living proof that Michigan hasn't cornered the douchebag market. Yet.

Doc's picture

You are correct fine sir/madam.  I would love beating the stuffing out of those blow bags.  About as much as I love beating AACC.

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btalbert25's picture

You make a good point, remember the last time an independent team with a great history, and arrogant fans joined the B1G?  They became a perennial 2-5 place team with a couple B1G crowns sprinkled in.  Thing is, having a team like Notre Dame is ratings gold, I mean their crappy games get high ratings, but then put them up against Ohio State, Nebraska, and Penn State, and it's going to be ratings gold.  Their normal Big foes, purdue and MSU could be a B1G network game.  Games like Michigan, OSU, Nebraska, and Penn State will be network or ESPN games.

I'd be fine with adding Notre Dame.  They'd bring a ton of money to the conference, and be shitty every year, of course all the have to do is win 2 or 3 games in a row and they are in the top 10 though so beating them will be perceived as a good win. Plus I'd love to see them go the way of Penn State, with out the nasty ending they've had to the Joe Pa era of course. 

The more I think about it the more I think Ga Tech and Notre Dame are great additions to make the conference 14 teams.  They'd be better additions than what the SEC just pulled.  


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M Man's picture

I say we bring back Chicago and lose Sparty. 

Doc's picture

Seems like an even trade.

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luckynewman13's picture

Don't you guys want to win a game against them first?

headina's picture

Well played good sir


BrewstersMillions's picture

You know, the worst part about this little Sparty uprising we have all had to endure these last few years under Dantonio is the arrogance this usually down trodden fanbase has acquired. Michigan State Fans have easily become the Big Ten's most annoying (rivaled only by the creepy ness that is the Paternoites) fanbase. Mike Hart did no one any favors with the little brother comments-as that has since become Sparty's rallying cry but lets not forget that  Michigan owns an all-time record of 67-30-5. And that includes the last few years where Sparty has seen un heard of success over its....dare I say....big brother. Sparty has had a nice run but come on guys, lets not bust on M Man for his team's RECENT struggles over their in state rival and forget the history here. Sparty clearly has forgotten just how bad Michigan has dominated them. We are better fans than our green and white clad neighbors.

Personally, I long for the days where Michigan State falls in line with the rest of the "Mesh" that is the Big Ten-not-named-Ohio-State-or-Michigan. Their run is at is sunset and soon we can go back  to watching them Sparty all over themselves against the powers that be (us and Michigan). If anything, a Michigan loss to Sparty ultimately cheapens our eventual conquests over the Wolverines. We should want Michigan to be at its absolute best when we play them. A win over an inferior team (read-one that loses to Sparty) is cheap. We deserve better.

In closing, screw Sparty. I find myself hating them more than Michigan.

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why, afraid of losing to sparty again??



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Kalamazoo Steve's picture

Don't know about this one, M Man. Chicago may actually go to a Rose Bowl.

wside buck's picture

Just throwing another idea out there. Get rid of PSU, they are too far east and have all kinds of trouble ahead. Look to expand further south and west where high school/college football is more important. The east coast just does not care about it that much. I think going after kansas, baylor and oklahoma would be a good move. They all hate Texas for extorting a significant portion of the league revenue and this would be a perfect was to get back at them. This could even put enough pressure on Texas to join as well in a perfect world.

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Now that was hysterical!!! I almost spit my coffee out when Silky said Rosey wears undies with a dick hole!!!  BWWWWwaaaaa haaa haaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I do hope the powers to be leave the domers out of the equation!  They are totally overrated and have been irrelevant to college football for the last 2 1/2 decades or more.  Their fan base is the most obnoxious and arrogant set of jackasses I've ever run into, besides those associated with Ann Arbor Community College!  The domers would only add to the bowl game slaughtered record of the Big Ten as well.

Maryland only gets in if they promise to NEVER, EVERY wear those vomit inducing hideous uniforms again and destroy any record of their existence.

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ArTbkward's picture

I say we wait a few years for Mizzou to get tired of being the red-headed stepchild of the SEC and then nab them.  I like the 12 teams and having a championship, so my vote would be to lose the Nittany Lions.

Also, you really don't want to see a world where Iowa can't grow corn. Fun facts: Iowa grows ~20% of the US crop, 30% of US corn is used for ethanol.

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notoriouswojo's picture

It's time for ND and Maryland. The rest of them can stay where the hell they are. It was funny as hell though. 


I know I will probably get rocks thrown at my head for adding this last part but....Notre Dame would be a great addtion to the new Big Ten Hockey Conf. I know, no one but me cares about college hockey. 


NC_Buckeye's picture

I care. And you're right. They would be a great addition. But you know the circumstances behind why they're a future member of Hockey East and not the NCHC. If not read this article at BC Interruption. Basically ND was trying to pull a Texas as far as hockey broadcasts.

That shit isn't going to fly in the B1G. Hell, we didn't even let Texas pull a Texas. We sure as hell aren't going to let the Irish get away with it.

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I love college hockey. ;)



DefendOhio's picture

This article had me rolling on the ground. I agree with every word.



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Run_Fido_Run's picture

This rumor is wishful thinking on the part of G Tech fans. G Tech is an excellent university and in a great market, but going to 14 teams is very awkward - don't see it happening unless the two additions (14 team conference) included at one big fish or the four additions (16 team conference) included two big fish. By big fish, I mean schools like Texas, Oklahoma, ND, Virginia.

In the mean time, will people please, please, please stop suggesting that freakin' Rutgers would ever be considered. GT or Maryland are marginal prospects, but at least not absurd options. Rutgers is just a stupid idea!

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Oklahoma would be last of the four schools for sure.  They just do not compare academically to any of the B1G schools.

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NC_Buckeye's picture

That and the only criteria by which Virginia is a big fish is academically.

Nebraska is a big fish... not Virginia. So apparently, academics are not a huge consideration.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Sure, UVA is the littlest of the four "big fish" I mentioned, all things considered.

But it is a top 5 in the nation public university and the Big Ten puts great emphasis on academics. The academic people would see UVA as a huge addition - enhacing the Big Ten's reputation, prestige, resources. 

Also, UVA has excellent presence in sizable t.v. markets. Historically, UVA was good, not great, in both basketball and football, but has fallen behind of late.

It could be a sleeper program in bball/fball if the school committed itself fully, etc. That said, we wouldn't expect UVA to be a top dog athletically.

Anyway, UVA happy in the ACC (it's historic home) and I don't see the conference expanding beyond 12. I'm just saying the Big Ten shouldn't expand for the sake of expansion.    

NC_Buckeye's picture

I think you're over-stating UVA's TV market presence. I lived in Richmond prior to coming down to Raleigh. Their fanbase is casual at best. In my experience VT fans significantly outnumbered UVA fans in the Richmond area. There are really only three major population centers in VA: the Capital region, the Hampton Roads region, and the Richmond area. Of those three, UVA should have at least been dominant in Richmond. By my casual observation, it wasn't. And given Charlottesville's proximity to the Hampton Roads and Capital region, I can only guess that the fanbase is even less in those centers.

Also, on the whole UVA football has historically been decrepit. (Once a decade they manage to have a good year where they get to 8 or 9 wins.) Take a look at this page. Key line = Record Since 1970: 234-241-4 (.489). Football-wise, adding them would be only slightly better than adding Rutgers [Record Since 1970: 220-236-6 (.476)].

And as we all know football is the driver of the expansion bus.

Like I said above, academically they're on the same level as UM and UNC. Top notch rankings across the board. Will they make money for Delany? No.


cplunk's picture

If we have to add, I can be talked into numerous options but NOT NOTRE DAME. Screw Notre Dame. Why should we help them become relevant again? I'd rather have Southern Mexico Tech than Notre Dame. And if there isn't any SMT then by God let's found one before we take Notre Dame. 

Doug Funnie's picture

I think the best fit would be Pitt.  I realize they are switching to the ACC but I feel they are a better fit for B1G.  Strong academics, decent football, good basketball.  Bring back Chicago, I mean our trophy is named after Amos Alonzo Stagg and they were one of the founding members of Big Ten . 

I feel eventually ND will go to a conference but not until most schools have switched conferences.  ND would be a good fit, even though I despise them, hell they play 3-4 B1G teams regularly already.  The only way they switch is if they lose the TV contract with NBC or  realize they can make as much if not more with the B1G network. 

For the last spot Kansas due to geography, they will also increase competition in basketball.

My vote: Keep the original 12, add Pitt(if possible), Chicago(welcome back), ND(feel sick), Kansas.

This keeps us in our markets and expands into mid west.

703Buckeye's picture

Why Chicago? They don't even have a football team anymore; remember, football is driving all this expansion.

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Doug Funnie's picture

  I was only looking to them b/c of their ties with being a founding member of B1G.  They do have a team BUT it is no way able to compete with B1G teams. Interestingly Chicago left after they put less of an emphasis on athletics after WWII.   I will edit my post with another institution that can compete in all sports.  Here is a good article on the History of the B1G.



faux_maestro's picture

Penn State would block Pitt. All the more reason to get rid of Penn State.

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Doug Funnie's picture

Some Pitt Alums I know have told me that PSU and Pitt are natural rivals, and that's why I put them in.  As for PSU trying to block them, its possible. 

faux_maestro's picture

I remember there being some bad blood between PSU and Pitt in the past regarding conference expansion. I asume PSU would try to keep Pitt out.

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BuckeyeChief's picture

I know this is late,  but with Joe Pa not being the coach, it may move forward...

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Doug Funnie's picture

Pitt, ND, Kansas, Chicago, Oklahoma

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Pitt, ND, Kansas, Chicago Oklahoma.

buckeyedude's picture

Pitt?! Please. B1G expansion is about athletics first, then academics. Any program that is going to lessen the B1G (Pitt, Rutgers, etc.) is not a good addition.

Besides, who wants to listen to Mark May talk about how "Pitt is going to dominate the B1G"?



gosolow2000's picture

I gotta agree with you about Douche bag Mark May. He would definitely run afoul with his mouth on exactly this topic.

William's picture

If the B1G were to move to 16, I'd pick Oklahoma, Kansas, Notre Dame and Virginia Tech as the four teams. 

pcon258's picture

other than the outrageously offensive comments about new jersey based on a sensationalist show with very little basis in reality (it takes place in the only town on the entire shore that isnt extremely family friendly, other than atlantic city), a pretty valid article. id be in favor of keeping iowa, and picking up perhaps oklahoma or texas, but wouldnt mind losing purdue, or something like that. i just dont want to start losing everyone that has been a part of the big ten for a long enough time to be a part of tradition. and i would wait before kicking out penn state, i think they fit into the culture of the big ten pretty well, in ways that a school like rutgers (which doesnt have much of a fanbase outside of current students) doesnt

ATXbucknut's picture

The B1G powers-that-be are going to look at 2 main factors *if* they pursue expansion in the future: 1) the value added ($$$) by inviting a team; how much revenue will adding a football team bring in broadcast rights (basketball is a very distant secondary concern from a revenue standpoint); 2) the academic reputation of the school under consideration.

From this vantage point, I don't see much value added except for ND. ND has a national following and adding them will command a much larger TV rights deal in the future.  Maryland and UVA mean almost nothing--I lived 10 years in DC and interest in V Tech far outweights interest in these two teams.  Rutgers doesn't command much interest in NYC--I lived in NYC two different times in my life and Fordham football some years commands more NY media and fan attention than Rutgers.  Mizzou would be pointless--I lived in KC, and most people there pay attention to KU. St. Louis is maybe more attuned to Mizzou athletics. I don't know much about the Atlanta media market, so can't speak to GT.

I know less about the academic reps of the institutions, but know that adding ND can't hurt in this department.  ND or bust, even though they are pompous jerks.

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If you want to denigrate the Notre Dame football program that's your prerogative, but you sound uninformed and bitter when you extend your maligning of ND to their academics.  By all accounts, Notre Dame is one of the finest universities in the country.  When you refer to ND as academically "overrated" it comes off as inane at best.  By the way, I'm an Ohio State alumnus, a huge Buckeye fan, and I enjoy this site immensely.  However, saying Notre Dame is overvalued as an academic institution is akin to saying Michael Jordan is overrated as a basketball player.  It just makes no sense. 

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To KMP10

How long has it been since a ND had a "good" season?  Oh that's right...there hasn't been one since a great coach that grew up in Ohio was there .  As far as academics...yes they are a good school...but I think we discussing football here...not the academics of another school compared to another.  I'm sorry I'm not a Buckeye grad (but I do have a Masters) and this above blog needs some serious reevaluating for A GOOD POINT...bc there isn't one.  ND is and always will be OVERRATED...since 1993!  Take it to the bank!  KMP you reemember a bowl game in 2005 as well as two games in 1995 and 1996 against ND?  Yeah...that should speak for itself!  

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I agree with you on the fact that they're a spoiled program who's on a decline, but their fans don't know that.  For better or for worse, they own a massive share of the market (for God's sake, look at their television contract) and are a superb academic institution.  They're good for the B1G's academic prestige, provide an excellent fanbase to bring into the conference, have tradition on par with our other member institutions, and we get every ND fan who tunes into NBC on Saturdays to instead purchase the Big Ten Network.  I mean, you couldn't ask for a sweeter deal if you're Delaney.

Not to mention, you completely destroy ND's elitist "Independent" status.  A deal that gives them choice circumstances for BCS berths (I believe they're automatic qualifiers if they accrue 9+ wins).  Plus, we get the added satisfaction of curb-stomping them.

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Gotta agree with ATXBUCKNUT and Hodge. Rutgers, no. Lived in NYC suburbs, no one cares about them there. Maryland, no. They are good only in soccer, lacrosse, and field hockey. Not to mention their stadium holds what, 45,000? And they can't even fill it. (Although, if they did move into the Big 10, they would probably sell out evey weekend-all the other team's fans though. Huge number of Big 10 alumni in the greater DC area.) They have also had to drop a number of varsity sports due to money problems. UVA? Great academic reputation, a decentish football program, great lacrosse and baseball programs, but most people don't care about those two sports. Also, UVA is very fratty/sratty and southern, even though half of their students are from the decidedly non-southern DC suburbs. They would totally stroke out if they had to wear jerseys to football games. ND-yes. Strong academic reputation, a number of varsity sports that can hang with the other big 10 teams, and yeah, good hockey and lacrosse teams, great women's basketball team. And come on, woudln't it be fun crushing their dreams, stealing their recruits, and squishing them like a bug on the football field? Especially at Notre Dame? Would like Virginia Tech, as they would fit in quite well with the other land grant universities in the Big 10, but I don't think that is going to happen. But deep down I'd like Big 10 to stand pat.

faux_maestro's picture

KMP10 was talking about how the author mentioned ND's over rated academics. I agree, athletically they are over rated, academically not so much. This is about football, but the academic bit was brought up in the story, therefore it is fair game to comment on it.

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Old Fool from the Old School's picture

Someone or thing can be overrated and still be very good or even great (U2 , for example)  Just as something can be underrated and still sucketh (country music).

Northbrook's picture

And as has been noted elsewhere, fuck Clemson.

Northbrook's picture

I can't see expansion working without Toronto.

buckeye76BHop's picture

I agree with DJ on all accounts...especially ND!  It would be an absolute JOKE to add them.  They're overrated and who cares about revenue with a team like that.  They'll be the bottom basement of the Big Ten and then people will see how shitty they really are.  I hate the fact that people argue they should be in bc. they've always played TTUN as well as the other TTUN and occasionally a shit ass game against Purdue...again...who cares.  IF the big ten is expanding they should add quality not just a name (if you want to call these teams listed above as quality...no offense DJ).  I'd like to see it stay with 12 and no more added...that's just me. 

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ND is a perfect fit in the B1G and people that don't want them in just don't like them, which is not a good reason.  ND will bring the $$ with its tradition and widespread alumni.  Despite this, people are right, we shouldn't covet them.  No special terms for ND.  They enter and act like every other team.

Another thing, if we're going to "raid" the ACC, can we at least get some good schools?  I'm talking about UVA, UNC, Duke, and BC.  Imagine getting ND and BC in the B1G.  Boston market = owned.  

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Menexenus's picture

KMP10, I must have missed it.  Can you please provide the quote where DJ said anything about Notre Dame's academics?  (He said he convinced a girl to go to Stanford instead, but that's hardly denigrating.)


This is the quote that got me rolling:

Georgia Tech

Hmmmm... that's in Georgia, right? *googles 'Which side of the war was Georgia on?', sees it was a member of the Confederacy, squints* Sorry, Tech. We ain't got no space in this league for losers.

Classic DJ - loved it!  :-)

P.S.  Hey Notoriouswojo, I love the Vultan avatar!  :-)

Real fans stay for Carmen.

faux_maestro's picture

I convinced her not to go into financial debt to attend your overrated institution


I assumed he meant academics....I guess he didn't say "academically over rated".

Your mom told me she wants a Dicken Cidar.

gravey's picture

We could let GTech in for a year...march there and burn it half down and then kick them out of the league...at least that's what my avatar suggested to me.


buckeyedude's picture

Wow. That comment would get you in a fistfight down in Redneck Country.

Funny though! :D



BoFuquel's picture

If we gonna excommunicate, I say we start with That School Up North,and The State Up North State.I'd be happy if we never had to play either one of those two ever again. It make my blood boil to think they could make a dollar by participating in an athletic contest with The Ohio State University.Go BUCKS!

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

Riggins's picture

You never want to play Michigan again?

The comments get dumber every day.  Looks like 11W is truly big-time now. 

buckeyechad's picture

Says someone who doesn't understand when someones joking

William's picture

Take everything that Bofuquel says with a grain of the salt. If there were a commenter of year award, it'd go to Bofuquel in my mind.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Agreed. Bofuquel is one of my favorite commenters as well.

bukyze's picture

I'd prefer to just annex the whole state to Canada for a Pamela Andeson poster.   The entire USofA would be much better off.

buckeyedude's picture

Forget Pamela Anderson. We need Canada's oil. $3.79/gal gas and rising, and I'm driving to Florida for Spring Break in a few weeks. It was either that or bend over and get a cavity search by the TSA czar's at the Detroit Airport. No thank you.

Go Buckeyes!



DaveCHS's picture

All these schools being thrown out there are a smokescreen.  Jim Delaney gets what Jim Delaney wants.  Jim Delaney wants Texas and Jim Delaney wants 16 teams.  So Jim Delaney gets Texas and brings Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, and adds Kansas just to make an even 16.   The Big16 then owns the Midwest from Canada to Mexico.

sarasotabcg's picture

we are bringing in 4 Canadian universities and 4 from Mexico. The Big Delaney will rename the conference Screw You Notre Dame.

this is just as plausible as any other expansion rumor.

bukyze's picture

DJ - are the wasps that killed Joe Pa the same PACK OF WILD WASPS THAT KILLED WHITNEY HOUSTON ?

Bucksfan's picture

Oh my God, this was one of the best posts I've read in forever.  I love THIS about college football.  Still laughing.  Award-winning smack!  Jim Rome would be proud.

lamplighter's picture

What about "cuse?  Good academics, good BB, periodic good FB. 


If you want 4 go w/ Syracuse, Pitt, Virginia Tech, and Kansas State (Kansas and ND can go suck eggs)

Besides, you'd have to offer too many remedial reading classes for the Sooners

buckeye76BHop's picture

I wouldn't mind having ND to pound on...I just don't like that university and I'd seriously doubt they ever get over them selves and join a conference.  If they did...would I be mad that we get to beat them like the all time record shows???...WELL HELLL NAHH!  

But lets get real...this comment about not playing TTUNs I saw above...WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING?  That would ruin the BIGGEST rivalry in possiby all of sports.  WOW...all I have to say about that and agree with Buckeyechad.  The comments are starting to appear down-right mentally challenged.  Stop playing TTUN and their lil brother...WTF!  

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."

"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."

Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

Urban Ohio's picture

Love it! Great article. Laughed all the way through.

Newcomerstown Trojans between Woody and Beaver.

Poison nuts's picture

That was some hysterical & brilliant writing - but seriously - Penn State has got to go.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

Maestro's picture

Kansas, Missouri, Pitt, Notre Dame if we are just spit ballin'.

vacuuming sucks

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

DJ, I believe your 'drank' is purple, not your drink.

RedStorm45's picture

Teams to consider adding not listed in the article: Pitt, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, Kentucky, MISSOURI!! (WTF DELANEY), Cinicnnati, Syracuse...I realize 4 of those schools are in the process of switching conferences.  But outside of the big 12, most major conferences are heading to 14 schools, and then likely 16.  Do we really want to get stuck with Iowa State and...whatever leftover schools there are.

Tonga Buckeye's picture

It's a money thing.  That's all.  ND will bring in the Moooooolah.

Bring in Rutgers, and N'western and Indy don't need to worry about the basement anymore.

Maryland?  GT?  Poo!  Maybe BC or VT.

"go not where the path may lead, rather go where there is no path and leave a trail"

matti's picture

please original big ten kick those elf rightious smug bastards at state college to the curb and nothing against nebraska but u belong in the big12 

wside buck's picture

so you want to kick out penn state, nebraska, and michigan state and pick up chicago?

FLAMikey's picture


Is PA so bad that it takes entirely new words to describe it?

beserkr29's picture

Technically it's a typo, but moribund really does describe the state of PA right now. 

DJ Byrnes's picture

Nope. I roll with "moribound". Sounds much better than "moribund" in my opinion. 

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

beserkr29's picture

Fair enough.  I bow to the monocled, purple drinking master of haterz on this issue.

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Notre Dame in the Big Ten would be cool.  The great thing about Notre Dame is that in reality, they're mediocre, so we'd beat their asses every year...but in perception, they're great, because of the aforementioned people over 35 saying they were good once.

Class of 2010.

buckeyedude's picture

Rutgers? RUTGERS?!!!!! Why is there still talk about Rutgers in the B1G? Does the B1G really need another Northwestern?

Seriously, I don't think their athletics are even half as good as N'western's.



beserkr29's picture

Honestly, I think that expansion to 16 is the way to go.  And, bluntly, it'll probably do more to facilitate a playoff than anything else right now.  Of course, I disagree with some of the choices, but the conference wants $.  Personally, I'd leave Maryland and Rutgers off this list and add Kansas AND Kansas State.  Obviously, a strange thing, but I'll try to justify it.  ND and GT would be helpful to get some serious cash into the B1G's coffers but have some limitations in athletics.  KU brings an incredibly strong basketball tradition, but is pretty awful in almost everything else.  Football is the equivalent of Indiana, along with any other non-revenue sport you can imagine.  Academics are average.  Couple of strong programs, but pretty blah.  Kansas State doesn't have the modern basketball tradition of KU, but it's football program is very strong.  Bill Snyder is a wizard as a coach, the stadium is always full in Manhattan (Lawrence rarely keeps it's 1/4 full crowd at Memorial Stadium past halftime), and basketball genuinely is on the rise.  It's also pretty strong academically, especially in the engineering side of things.  Almost certainly a pipedream, but the Kansas schools would bring more to the conference than either Rutgers or Maryland, IMO.  I'd be totally fine with GT and ND.  I want Notre Dame as a punching bag, and GT is in the Wisconsin tier of football, though it's lagged recently in basketball.  Just my two cents.

BuckeyeRef's picture

The smart move would be to add, if the B1G decides they have to add because I think 12 is just about the right number now, 4 schools: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas & Kansas State.

Those schools would add value, they would add competitiveness in both of the "money sports", being football & basketball.

Go Bucks!!!!

Menexenus's picture

Can anyone explain to me why people are so fixated on 16 teams?  I think 14 teams would make more sense.  If the B1G expands to a 9 team conference schedule, each team would play 6 teams in their division, one protected crossover, and 2 additional teams from the other division.  This means you'd get to play every team in the B1G at least once every 3 years.  16 teams would be a big mess.  You'd play 7 teams in your division, 1 protected crossover, and only 1 more team from the other division.  This means it would take 6 years to get to play every team in the conference.  Too long.

And 12 teams works just fine.  The only reason to expand to 14 teams would be to get Notre Dame.  I agree with DJ that they are over-rated and deserve to descend to obscurity, but I like the idea of having 4 of the top 5 winningest teams of all time in the B1G.  Plus there's the obvious geographical fit.  ...  I guess I'm just a collector at heart.  <shrug>  If Notre Dame does decide to join, I think the best fit for the 14th team would be Pitt.  And we all know we could peel them off the ACC if we really wanted to.  ;-)

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