Tuesday Skull Session

By Danny on January 3, 2012 at 6:00a

Good morning Buckeye faithful and welcome to your Tuesday Skull Session.

Well that's it, folks. This roller coaster of a season has finally come to its conclusion with the Buckeyes falling to the Florida Gators 24-17 in the Taxslayer.com Gator Bowl.

It's easy to point out all the flaws and disappointments that came with the 2011-2012 season, but we must not forget all the positives that came with it.

We now know Braxton Miller is the real deal, Urban Meyer is OSU's next head coach, and the NCAA's investigation is over. Looking back, things could've ended up a lot worse than the position the football program finds itself in today.

Sure, it stings that this is OSU's first losing season since 1988, it's awful thinking that next years senior players won't play in a bowl game, and it's disappointing knowing that I won't see a bowl game here in my last year as a student.

But it's ok because I realize this team will come back stronger than ever. If this squad can survive a season like this, they can accomplish big things down the road. Here's looking forward to next season and the true beginning of a new chapter in Buckeye football. 

BYE BYE BOLLMAN. Let's take a trip back to November when the Buckeyes were playing the Wolverines in Ann Arbor. An OSU team which had been known for its obvious play-calling erupted and scored 34 points on a talented Michigan defense.

Although OSU lost this game, there was suddenly hope that perhaps the offense was finally coming together. The extra bowl practices were supposed to give Braxton Miller and DeVier Posey a chance to get on track, and also give this offense, as a whole, time to address its weaknesses. Instead, we saw the same, predictable Jim Bollman offense which failed to surprise the Florida defense yesterday.

Bill Livingston of the Plain Dealer wrote about how OSU failed to address many of its offensive issues before the bowl game. Livingston points mainly to the offensive line which ended up surrendering five sacks in the first half and six total on the day.

Miller was given few opportunities to make plays, and when they did give him time Miller failed to deliver, including an overthrown ball that sailed over Posey's head which could have tied the game 14-14 at halftime. Jim Bollman can't be blamed for every single problem that occurred yesterday or for this season, but it's also clear that his performance on the sidelines this year will cost him the position he's held for 11 years. 

With Meyer overhauling the offensive staff, it's safe to say this team will be pointed in the right direction to help get this offensive unit back on track.

WHAT THE NEW YEAR BRINGS. Doug Lesmerises of The Plain Dealer reports what he expects part of OSU's roster to look like next season.

One of the major moves already being made is switching tight end Reid Fragel to tackle for his senior year. Fragel is expected to add up to 15-20 pounds to give Meyer more depth for the offensive line. Fragel may even have a chance to start with Mike Adams and J.B. Shugarts graduating. According the the report, Fragel also believes switching to tackle will be his best chance to make it to the NFL.

Jake Stoneburner, who many believed might have a big enough season to convince him to apply for the draft, said he expects to be back next season after undergoing surgery for a torn ACL. Defensive end Nathan Williams, who has been out since having knee surgery after the game against Akron, will also be back.

Other fourth-year juniors expected back are: linebacker Etienne Sabino, safety Orhian Johnson, cornerback Travis Howard, defensive lineman Garrett Goebel, punter Ben Buchanan, and safety Zach Domicone.

Moeller gets a little revenge.

MOELLER IS MAD. After the Buckeyes' loss to Florida yesterday, linebacker Tyler Moeller told Marcus Hartman of Foxsports.com that the trash talking got out of hand for him.

Moeller told Hartman that "I've never been called a cracker more in my life than I have today," when referring to the trash talking coming from Florida players. Moeller additionally called Florida's players classless, adding "I've never been called more racial slurs in my life."

It certainly is disappointing to think that racism has to come into play at all during sporting events, but it sadly still happens in the day and age we live in. I, personally, am not a fan of trash talking and think it's a pathetic way to try and influence the way a player performs; however, I do realize it is apart of today's game.

I can't honestly sit here and think that there weren't some OSU players contributing to the trash talking yesterday, but race should have never entered the equation. Call Moeller a sore loser if you want, but he's right that Florida's players resorted to childish techniques to try and get under someone's skin.

I can't prove who said what to who, but it's clear what was said did not belong on a football field or anywhere else for that matter.

GAME CHANGER. Tim May of the Columbus Dispatch awarded Florida running back Chris Rainey the star of the game for the Gator Bowl.

Rainey lead the Gators in rushing with 71 yards, lead the team in receptions with three catches, and also blocked a punt in the second half which resulted in a touchdown. Rainey's touchdown gave Florida a 21-10 lead and an incredible momentum shift which helped seal the Buckeyes' fate.

ANOTHER DOWNER. With OSU's loss to the Gators in the Gator Bowl, OSU is currently 0-10 versus SEC opponents in bowl games.

The Buckeyes technically logged their first victory against an SEC opponent last year when they defeated Arkansas in the Sugar Bowl, but the Buckeyes were forced to vacate their wins from the 2010-2011 season. So, as ESPN was so quick to point out, the Buckeyes are still looking for their first victory over an SEC team in a bowl.

LOS LINKS. Oregon adds to the Big Ten's miserable day... The special teams weren't looking so special yesterday... Posey walks away from a senior season that never really got under way... The Buckeyes fall to number seven in the nation after falling to Indiana... Can anyone say Pac-12 in Chinese.


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3 Yards And A Cloud of Dust's picture

Good morning Coach Meyer.  Here's your coffee, hard mail and the list of overnight commitments from recruits.  While you're checking your email, I'll be boxing up the rest of the assistant coaching staff's stuff so they can be on their way.  If you need anything, I'll be down the hall.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

You forgot:

BTW, the penalty for playing unfocused and uninspired football while representing OSU is currently being served -  the team is doing gasers until they hurl, followed by stadium stairs until you say stop!  I'll be back in 8 hours to see if you want me to yell stop!

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BuckeyeChief's picture

Any word on how the meeting went?

"2014 National Champions...deal with it!!!"

Michael's picture

Moeller also had this to say in the Tim May article:

Senior defensive back Tyler Moeller said, “That punt (block) was not entirely my fault, but I was there. I could have blocked the guy a little better.

Mitigating accountability and complaining that the other team called you mean names? Moeller's whole post-game just screams sour grapes.

I'm not condoning racial taunting, but what's that saying about the game being 90% mental? If being called "cracker" is enough to get under your skin, your head was never in the game.

buckeyedude's picture

I wonder what would have happened if Moeller would have called those very same players the "N" word in response to their racial slur?



Michael's picture

On paper, it should be the same thing. Words are words.

In real life, two completely different situations; the n-word carries a terrible history along with it.

Like I said before, I'm not condoning racial slurs but you're never going to take chatter out of football. If one can gain a psychological advantage by verbally taunting an opponent, why not exploit that weakness?

BED's picture

Pretty sure it was Heuerman that blew the coverage on that punt.

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tampa buckeye's picture

That is why ive never been a fan of that formation. Just line up and block them 15 yards from the punter. Would have been a great spot to run a fake. If florida brings in rainey to punt rush guess what they are coming to blocl that shit. Good bye shitty coaching hello basketball season. Close the book on this season and burn it.

sharkvsghost's picture

That punt formation is ridiculous.  I don't understand why you would give the end rushers a running start at the personal protectors, regardless of how many you put back there.  Are high school's even doing this now?

swing hard in case you hit it.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

The formation is supposedly superior in terms of coverage: freeing up the gunners and other players to get down the field and blow up the PR. 

As long as the blocking is well executed, the risk of a blocked punt is greater, but will remain a relatively rare occurence; thus, the advantages of this formation outweight the disadvantages (e.g., giving up lots of PR yardage).


sharkvsghost's picture

But instead of having the protectors 8-10 yards deep, allowing the rushers to get a head of steam, why not place them on the wings?  Am I mistaken in thinking that most nfl teams (and, from what i remember, most high school teams) seem to form up that way?

swing hard in case you hit it.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

You might have a point there. I was referring mainly to the two general "schools" of punt protection/coverage (traditional v. "spread" punt formations). I can't say that I'm especially familiar with the nuances within those two schools - i.e., the finer variations within the spread formation types.  

btalbert25's picture

The problem is, the blocking needs to be executed, something Ohio State doesn't do well. 

baddogmaine's picture

Gene Smith made the decision to play in the Gator Bowl this year. Many defended this previously. With the benefit of hindsight we know now a bit more than we did, including that:

1) going into the game we had but one reliable receiver, a QB who had not shown consistent accuracy or poise, an o-line that had not provided great protection so even our rushing attack was not great in the last few games, and a defense that often seemed unprepared;

2) we lost and did not look particularly good doing it;

3) we ended up with a losing record for the year;

4) we did not sell out our share of tickets, which costs OSU money;

5) at least on paper next year's team should be better than this year's team;

6) next year's team can not play in the B1G game or a bowl game;

7) Miami, fielding a 6-6 team and facing sanctions, gave up a bowl game this year in the hope of avoiding one this year; and

8) based on our violations, our responses to them and our recent record of violations there was a good chance that the NCAA would impose at least a one year bowl ban on OSU.

Is Gene Smith qualified to remain as OSU AD? Gordon Gee is qualified to remain as president because in the big picture he has helped the school tremendously. We woud have kept Tressel if we could, because on the whole he was a great coach. We would have preferred to have had TP for another year. For all of these people arguments can be made in their favor. What can be said in support of Gene Smith? Is there anything more than "better the devil you know"?

741's picture

Only two outstanding issues remain in this godforsaken episode (the 2011 season): one, the reorganization of the compliance department - removing it from the department of athletics and placing it into the university's overall compliance department; two, Gene Smith offering his resignation.

BED's picture


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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Again, though, you've simultaneously made an argument for why the NCAA might not have been impressed if Ohio State had self-imposed a bowl ban this year. Not to beat a dead horse, but Gee believes that the NCAA would have imposed a bowl ban next year regardless of what Ohio State did.

Now, perhaps we should have skipped a bowl this year anyway, for its own sake, even if that meant not playing in a bowl two years in a row. 

Maybe Gene Smith should go, but if Ohio State relied on that one specific assumption (that the 2012 bowl ban was avoidable), then he'd have legal grounds on which to challenge his dismissal.

baddogmaine's picture

Gee doesn't know how to evaluate athletics with any perspective. He has demonstrated that over and over in the past year. Asking him what the NCAA is likely to do is like asking me what a licensing board is likely to do if a doctor leers at his patients. Gee is not the best judge.

There is likely no way to prove that the NCAA would have been content with a bowl ban this year. I think it very likely, some commentators Ithink take a reasonably nuamnced view think it likely, but unless the NCAA itself leaks something we will not have hard proof. What we do have proof of is that OSU ended the year not just at .500 but with a losing record, in a manner that could not possibly have convinced a high schol student on the fence that he should commit to the scarlet and gray. Regardless whether a bowl ban this year would have saved us next year there were sound reasons to not go bowling this year. Miami got it right, we didn't. And Smith gets paid far too much to get something that important wrong.

Your point about trying to fire Smith for cause is valid. He almost certaily can not be fired "for cause" as JT was. What I should have been saying is that if there are terms in his contract that permit OSU to legally sever its relationship with Smith then OSU should be pursuing that option. Buy him out. OSU football is too valuable a commodity to let Smith inflict further damage unless the buy-out is truly astronomical.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

That's a perfectly reasonable argument: that Smith is ineffective, should be bought out, and replaced by another AD who'd hopefully be more effective.

I'll trust the "brain trust" with that decision, though, because I don't get to see how Smith performs on a weekly basis. No doubt, Smith had some rough (public) moments over the last 12+ months, and he should at least be on a short leash, but I'm still not convinced that going to the Gator Bowl was an error, necessarily. 

btalbert25's picture

In my opinion, had Ohio State decided to impose a 1 year bowl ban it would've been sufficient.  I believe, the NCAA levied the penalty because Ohio State was so publicly confident that they weren't going to get a post season ban.  Gene Smith said it in press conferences, the assumption was Meyer was taking the job because he believed the sanctions weren't going to be too severe(and really they aren't that bad) and even a recruit Dunn, publicly talked about the sanctions coming and how they weren't going to be severe.  Maybe Ohio State was a little too confident.  I think Ohio State put the NCAA in a position where they had to say, we're the boss here, you are going to get a bowl ban.  Had Smith not been so sure of himself and not been so candid when talking about the possibility of a bowl ban, the NCAA may not have levied one anyway. 

NC_Buckeye's picture

I haven't worked in Ohio since 1998. Is Ohio not an At-Will employment state?

I worked at UAkron for several years and was under a year to year employment contract. Is that what you're referring to? That tOSU might not have grounds to break the contract?

BuckeyeJim's picture

Gee nor Smith could read the NCAA. If the NCAA wants the school to impose their own penalties, then the Gator Bowl should have been part of the penalty. One bowl game may have been enough for the NCAA, but we will never know, the same way as Gee would have not known. What is the point of any team self imposing their punishment? The NCAA only wants to show their muscle in the punishment by adding on.

It is all over now!! The future looks bright with the recruits, coaching, and the positive attitude. Nothing like a winning season to make everybody forget this past year. Go Bucks.

cronimi's picture

Bad Dog, w/r/t #3, it should be noted it is the first since 1988 -- I know it was noted by Danny, but it bears repeating. It should also be noted that (according to the eSECpin coverage) it is OSU's first 7-loss season since 1897. People should really let that sink in as they ponder whether future-former AD Gene Smith should have self-imposed a bowl ban this year.

Gene Smith has to go. And if Gee doesn't make it happen, then -- despite all the good he has done for the university -- he must go as well.

William's picture

Because firing your University President over a a few foolish remarks about football makes sense. 

cronimi's picture

No, it wouldn't (and that isn't close to what I wrote). But firing the university president because he wouldn't/couldn't/didn't take action when action is so clearly called for (i.e., firing an ineffective, incompetent AD) does make sense.

William's picture

Firing your President because you don't like how he has handled an athletics issue and the athletic director is foolish. By firing Gee OSU would be sending a message to other universities that we care more about how our football team is operated and viewed by others, than we do about the recent surge of academic growth Gee has ushered in.



MediBuck's picture

Indeed. I think it's easy for those of us who primarily follow OSU as a sports entity to think of Gee as the "owner" over his "GM", but Gordo's responsibility over the university includes making collossal decisions about departmental budgets, public media appearances for the university, involvement in student activities/events/concerns, decision-making on key expenditures/expansions/buildings on campus, sleepless nights out on the fundraising trail, etc. etc. etc. Athletics is but one of the lines on his job description, and given the fact he's the guy who completely dissolved Vanderbilt's sports programs while he was there, I don't think he's the most knowledgeable man in this regard. In fact, I felt that his uneasiness about this issue showed in his ill-fated conference comment last year. 

Now maybe if we were Auburn or Bama, and had absolutely nothing else to hang our hats on in the university but sports, it'd be justifiable to fire the president, but I think Admiral Bowtie's stuck it through in a tough time for him.



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tampa buckeye's picture

You sure we have one reliable receiver? that fumble cost them the game along with special teams. Agreed 100% we should have sat out bowl season.

cplunk's picture

I like the PAC-12 China idea. Especially because, if that gigantic market starts to watch football, they'll do it watching the B1G and PAC-12 as bosom buddies. This is another geat step in overcoming ESPN's out of control influence over the sport. If the PAC-12 and B1G account for 43% of the nation's TV markets once their buddy-buddy deal starts, how much better is it if they also account for 100% of the Chinese market. And if they can't get a market started there, so what? There is really no immediate downside, other than the sick amount of travel time.

Buckeye Black's picture

From Dr. Saturday:

3. Shugarts' streak continues. With a false start penalty in the first quarter of the Gator Bowl, Ohio State offensive lineman J.B. Shugarts finishes his college career with at least one offsides penalty in four consecutive bowl games, and in 24 total games over the course of his career. Hey man, you gotta leave as you lived.
The Buckeyes lost to Florida, 24-17, securing their first losing record since 1999.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

The Brew Crew had a tumultuous tenure at Ohio State and for whatever reasons - some of which were beyond their control - they seemed to run out of gas this year.

It didn't help that the Walrus took on more responsibility this year. In previous seasons, he had a hard enough time developing OLs without being the top offensive coach.

Even with the loss of three veterans on the OL, I actually expect the OL to perform better next year. They can't get any worse than they were yesterday. 

baddogmaine's picture

Unfortunately that's not true. The two things that generally hurt an offense the most are an inexperienced QB and an inexperienced o-line. A good coach will find ways to compensate to a degree, but protection can indeed get worse, and based on what we saw when Adams was out it could get worse next year. I'm all in favor of looking at the bright side, but I'm not going to be blind to a big question mark we have to hope Meyer can build around.

It can fairly be said that while OSU got good RBs and often got good WRs and very good LBs it did not so so well recruiting offensive linemen. Shugarts looked good compared to his back-ups, apparently. This is one thing our new coach will need to change. Which might not happen by next year. Though on the whole the team shouyld be better next year than it was this year.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Fair enough. Yes, technically, the OL could get even worse next year, but I'll take my chances. I noted yesterday (and the Plain Dealer made similar points):

New OL coach (Ed Warriner?) will have some good talent to work with, but not much depth:

Brian Bobek (C), Tommy Brown (OG), Chris Carter (OG), Marcus Hall (OT), Corey Linsley (OG), Jack Mewhort (OG), Andrew Norwell (OT), Antonio Underwood (OG), Reid Fragel (OT, converting from TE).

Need OTs. They've tried to play Carter and Hall there, but probably better suited to play inside.

If Meyer did indeed land Warriner, that could be very good news. ND's OL made tremendous strides under Warriner, with that unit going from being a liability to a strength almost overnight. If the OL enjoys relatively good health next year, I'll go out on a limb and predict modest improvement over 2011.    

BuddhaBuck's picture

Pac-12 in Chinese is "PAC-uh-SHur-Ar".

Braxton needs a QB coach pronto. Missing wide-open WRs is uber-frustrating, especially after watching Darron Thomas' performance in the Rose Bowl (423 total yards, 268 passing, 5 total TDs)...

Don't text while driving.

rkylet83's picture

When they kept showing Bollman in the booth I wish Coach Meyer would have showed up and fired him at some point before the game ended. 

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I was hoping Meyer would sneak up on him and throw a hood on him, drag him out, and throw him down the stairs!  Now that would have been hysterical. 

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bassplayer7770's picture

Jim Bollman, don't let the door hit you in the @$$ on your way out...

Run_Fido_Run's picture

The Walrus jokes have been funny - good tonic to help get us through these tough months. 

Many of us are very excited about the new staff and if the door does hit Bollman in the @ss on his way out, so be it.  But must we then tear the door off its hinges and continue pounding Bollman with it, even now that he's down and out of the picture? Let's thank him for his service and move on.

To mix metaphors: the Walrus is adrift on a iceburg; it's undignified to throw snowballs at him as he floats away.

And if Ohio State runs into a rough patch offensively sometime next season, please, please nobody photoshop Herman's face on a Walrus body . . .  

bassplayer7770's picture

With a new Offensive scheme and mostly new coaches on the Offensive side, I'm not expecting a perfect season.  I am glad to say goodbye to predictable playcalling, though.  Plus, it will be nice to get some great OL recruits and see them develop properly.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I agree. It will be fun to watch the program move in a positive new direction next season, but I don't expect them to go 12-0 or anything.

Actually, I could see the coaching staff putting even more emphasis on long-term development than usual: e.g., stressing fundamentals and using lots of redshirts. 

ThirdLegLouie's picture

To add my sentiments to your metaphor: I'll probably throw a few snowballs. Why, you ask- Because fuck that walrus. That's why. 

If you ain't a Silver Bullet, you're a target

Run_Fido_Run's picture

LOL. Okay, I'll admit that I'd probably be holding back a few giggles, myself, while watching the snow(ice)balls pelting the fat lonely Walrus as he drifted off into the frozen fog.   

MediBuck's picture

Wow, the way you put it, I actually felt bad for Bollman for the first time in eleven years. It's not his fault that he was so damn incompetant and his HC was too loyal to ever cut him loose. Thanks for taking some air out of my steaming hatred for the man.

"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone." --Woody Hayes

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Sorry - I am putting rocks in my snowballs and hurling as many of them, as hard as I can throw them, at him for the next few days.  The amount of torture he inflicted on this team and its fans is substantial.  He, and he alone, chose to put forth such a horrid offensive plan week after week, so he, and he alone gets to enjoy the blowback.  I'll let it go after a few days, but right now, it's fire at close range with all guns!!!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Okay - a good night's sleep, coupled with knowing Jim Bollman will never be seen in the OSU coaches box again and Urban Meyer is our new coach has added a smile to my face and taken the sting out of yesterday's debacle.  The mouthwash has been utilized and the foul fecal taste of last season's has been eliminated!!! 

Let the domination from the Urbanator begin!!!!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

matti's picture

for the frustration of this season i just want one more x-mas present anyone on this site or anywhere have a pic of bollman leaving the hayes i just want proof that incompitant walrus is officially gone

buckeye20's picture

Granted, Bollman isn't all that...our O-Line has not been very good for a long time. Up until this year, Tressel called the plays.  He shouldn't be an offensive coordinator. But Bollman didn't overthrow Posey in the endzone or give-up a KO TD...or fumble the football for that matter.

I think Braxton can be great, but he is a freshman and has a ways to go.  Good Freshamn year, but the game needs to slow down for him a bit. 

Need better receivers and put him in the position to succeed in his sophomore year.

That was a lousy 2011 team. Glad that shite is over.

Bucksfan's picture

Things we have to hope for to make 2012 worth watching, as strange as it sounds:

1) Michigan starts 11-0.

2) Michigan has losses, but leads all Legends tie breakers through the first 11 games.

3) Urban Meyer doesn't have a heart attack between now and then.

baddogmaine's picture

Not sure I like #1 and 2. I'm all in favor of ruining scUM's season, but if they come out of our game still leading their division they still get to play for the Rose Bowl. I do not want them in Anaheim. And if their only loss is to us and we're not eligible to compete ourselves they could potentially make the NC game. I do not want that. So what I'll say is that if they are having agood year I hope we inflict some pain, but what I'd like even more is for them to be 0-11 before our game and 0-12 after, because the only good Wolverine is one with no hope and nothing to feel good about.

Bucksfan's picture

A 1-loss Michigan team that lost to Ohio State isn't going to the national title game.

P.S. You mean Pasadena?

NC_Buckeye's picture

#1 not likely to happen.

Their first game is against Bama Sept. 1 in Arlington, Texas. Plus @Notre Dame and @Nebraska are likely to be losses. And I'm going to go on record and say that Mich State beats them in Ann Arbor as well.

So most likely they'll be a four loss team by the time we play them.

Doc's picture

I'm no AACC fan, but I think they will be better than that NC.  Bama will beat them I'm sure.  Notre Lame will be a close game and hopefully loss #2.  MSU is a toss up.  They will be breaking in a new QB next season, so anything is possible.  Nebraska got curb stomped in AA.  I don't see them getting that much better next year.  They will more than likely be a 2 loss team coming into the Shoe.

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Bucksfan's picture

Well, then, if you're right...2012 will royally suck and there will be no redeeming quality other than watching Urban Meyer growing pains.

The rest of the B1G is so poopy that I just don't care about the conference race unless we're in it.  After defending it for more than half a decade, I can't do it anymore.  One Rose Bowl win in a decade.  Michigan (3 times), Wisconsin (twice), Illinois (once), Penn State (once), and Purdue (once) all lost the Rose Bowl last 12 years.  You might say that we didn't send our best teams there all the time, but it was definitely more than half the time (seasons 2000, 2003, 2004, 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011 all featured the B1G champs).  And that shouldn't matter because if we're going to say the B1G is nationally competitive, then our top-15 ranked teams should be able to win big games on big stages.  They can't.  

The run for the Rose Bowl on the B1G end just sucks.  And it's about to get just as lousy because USC is still a monster and will probably be there for the next decade.  We'll have to rely on Michigan and Ohio State to get it done...who are 1-3 years from getting back to peak shape.

btalbert25's picture

You know what I'm looking forward to next season?  Every Saturday.  The new look of the offense, Script Ohio, tailgating, seeing Braxton become the terrific player we know he'll be.  I'm looking forward to the exact same thing I looked forward to every Saturday this season and in any season past.....BUCKEYE FOOTBALL. 

If we spoil Michigan, Wisconsin or anyone elses chance at the B1G title or national title for that matter, then it's just icing on the cake. 

southbymidwest's picture

Winner winner, chicken dinner!

MediBuck's picture

I don't want to sound super-depressing, but I felt the same way that you did at the beginning of this season. After the turmoil of the offseason, seeing the Buckeyes run out of the tunnel that first game of the season literally brought a tear to my eye.

Last night, I watched as that entire pack of downtrodden, entitled has-beens (minus Nate Williams and Ryan Shazier--who's not even from Ohio!!) slunk off the field while Carmen was playing. I thought we sang that song regardless of whether we won or lost. The SHAME I saw in those players and that coaching staff was a kick to the gut. I have a lot of hope in Coach Urb and the new recruiting class, but the rest of the team is going to have to show a whole lot more heart and pride before my feelings towards them will return.

"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone." --Woody Hayes

Tengauge's picture

What we have here is a failure to execute...look I love Buckeye football more than most people I know and what I see is a failure to execute plays.  There were so many missed or half attempted blocks by our players.  One screen in particular was a disaster because the guy who was supposed to block Bostock just watched him run right past him and make the tackle in the backfield.  HIT THE MOTHER F-er...just don't watch him run by you!

I hope the new coaching staff goes back to the basics.  Guy lines up across from you, you whack the living tar out of him.  Look at Wisconsin's O-line for example. They consistently put bodies on bodies and block whomever has a different colored jersey. They screen the defensive players view of the back and then whooosh he's past the front line and the LBs or the secondary have to make the tackle.  You don't have to push the guy back fifty yards to make the play work, just keep him from getting your guy for that split second.  If you give any of our backs a crease, hell they are gone too.  Just didn't happen.  Receivers should be blocking downfield as well.  If our backs get through the line they can break it wide open if the receivers are screening off any potential tacklers.  Just my two cents.

southbymidwest's picture

I do not want Michigan to start off that strongly. 11-0 before they meet OSU still gives them a pretty good chance at a good bowl.  I don't want them to have any more ammo to woo Ohio kids to play for them. Even if said kids don't fit into Urban's plans.

Bucksfan's picture

It's not the greatest rivalry in all of football if Michigan is not competitive.  After getting 3 straight laughers with Rich Rod, it became apparent to me that I don't want to watch three laughers over a pee-wee squad.

acBuckeye's picture

It doesn't matter if scUM sucks or is undefeated, ANY victory over them is glorious.

acBuckeye's picture

I love how ridiculous the AP recap of the Gator Bowl is. They probably teamed up with ESPiN to write it.

"The latest loss had everything to do with Florida's speed." Ummmmm, ok. Yes, Florida was so fast that Ohio State managed to gain more first downs, more passing yards, more rushing yards, and forced more turnovers. Pretty good for a *slow* team.

Speed had little to do with the KO return TD. Basil kicking to the opposite side of the field as his coverage had almost everything to do with it. WTH happened on that play?

Nobody on the outside will ever agree, but this loss (just like 2007) was mostly due to being out-coached and being unprepared, and NOT one team's superior *speed* over the other. If Herron had gotten the ball 25 times, he'd have had a buck fifty on those Florida *speedsters* on defense. And that reminds me, didn't Pittman have a good game against them in '07 as well? I remember thinking that Florida couldn't stop him when he ran right at them. He just didn't get many chances b/c of the score.