Posey, Boom, Hall Suspended For Nebraska
In a press conference conducted by OSU Athletic Director Gene Smith, the school announced that five players were overcompensated for summer jobs in the past. DeVier Posey, Boom Herron, and Marcus Hall will all be suspended for at least the Nebraska game, while Etienne Sabino has already been cleared and Melvin Fellows is already sitting out due to a medical hardship.
OSU claims it was not obvious the players were being overpaid, but after further investigating the issue, it was determined that hours worked and dollars paid just did not match up. Hall was overcompensated by $232.50, Fellows by $292.50, Herron by $292.50, and Posey by $727.50. It is expected Hall and Herron will be reinstated for the Illinois game, while Posey could be looking at a longer suspension.
School booster Robert "Bobby" DiGeronimo, responsible for the charity event payments Jordan Hall and Travis Howard got suspended for earlier in the year, seems to be behind this as well. At the press conference, Smith said he has been disassociated from the school, banning him from all things Ohio State.
More detail from the official release:
The Ohio State University Director of Athletics Gene Smith announced today that, as part of the university's continued investigation with the NCAA to resolve any remaining football compliance issues, violations have been discovered and three football student-athletes have been declared ineligible for the football game this weekend against the University of Nebraska. Those players are Marcus Hall, DeVier Posey and Daniel Herron. The university has submitted a request for reinstatement on behalf of each student-athlete, but it is anticipated that each will sit out at least the game this weekend.
"As we have previously disclosed, the university and the NCAA were not able to finish investigating all of the areas before the university's August hearing with the NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions," Smith said. "Upon receiving the necessary records from outside parties and conducting a few additional interviews, the university and the NCAA enforcement staff have jointly determined that violations did occur. The violations that have affected the eligibility of these three players relate to their overpayment while being employed with companies associated with Robert DiGeronimo, an individual who was recently disassociated by the university as a result of several student athletes receiving extra benefits surrounding a charity event in February. The university and the NCAA enforcement staff are in the final stages of the resolution of this case, and I anticipate having further information in that regard in the near future."
If you'd like, check out video of the presser here, if you can handle an already tough Monday getting even tougher. Feel free to vent here or just roll with the punches as we have been throughout this entire season.
Comments
HOW DO POSEY AND BOOM WHO WERE ALREADY SUSPENDED FOR THE TATTOO THING GET IN MOOOOOORE TROUBLE? Sorry guys. Time to go. Your playing days at Ohio State are over.
Not sure if this happened in 2011 or 2010...if 2011 they should get the boot...in 2010 they were still living the high life
I agree: Clean slate or nothing, even if they lose the rest of their games.
It's hard to believe that almost a year ago, OSU was #1. What a difference a year makes...
"Hell, Woody didn't recruit me; he recruited my mother!" -Jack Tatum
Kick them off of the team and let them go play in Canada.
-The Aristocrats!
How many hours did they work?
vacuuming sucks
Very important question - 40 hour work weeks over the span of 2 months/8 weeks (summer for football players ? ) comes out to 320 hours of total employment time.
I just don't even care any more. I want a clean slate...NOW. I don't care at this point what it does to the offense, Herron, Posey, Hall...send them all out. One strike is one thing, but multiple is just ridiculous. The coaches will be cleaned out in December, most likely Smith too. Might as well start with the players who caused this.
It's no longer, "O-H-I-O!" It's "UH-OH!":
Smith anticipates that the NCAA ruling on infractions related to a memorabilia-for-tattoos scandal and former coach Jim Tressel's actions in hiding his knowledge of the issue will be pushed back. A ruling had been expected between Oct. 7-20.
"We anticipate the NCAA Committee on Infractions will take longer in releasing its ruling and expect to hear from them sometime this fall," he said.
Smith adamantly denied that this is part of a systemic problem at Ohio State."
(http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/10/03/1003-gene-smith-co...)
it will be on the 10th just to ruin my birthday. jokes on them, i plan on ruining it myself by not eating and then drinking copious amount or alcohol.
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*sobbing* whyyy
Well, the men's soccer team won saturday against Sparty, so we have that going for us.
-The Aristocrats!
The only grey box post I'm looking forward to is the one this off-season that says "Urban Meyer Hired as Head Coach."
Epic fail.
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We get it, you don't like Urban. He steal your milk money or something?
Anything is better then the flaming turd pile we have now. I'd take Richard Nixon's head in a glass jar, he's gotta have a playbook somewhere.
"I 've got an El Camino full of rampage"-- Sterling Archer, codename: Duchess
I have faith that our coach search committee can do much better than that scumbag. We got Jim Tressel out of a national search. We can do better than the "big names" out there.
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The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009
you have faith in the current idiots in charge?
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I don't think they were the coach-finders, correct me if I'm wrong. Certainly Smith and Gee weren't, because they weren't even here then (at least not Gee).
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2 things to that assertion:
1) Tressel didn't inherit the NCAA mess that the next coach will.
and
2) Recruiting has changed a lot in ten years. Right now, I think only a big name coach can save our next few recruiting classes.
1) I'm still not convinced the NCAA will increase our penalties beyond loss of a few scholarships.
and
2) We are still THE Ohio State University. Our name is big, we don't need the coaches' to be, as long as he's winning.
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The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009
That's all well and good two or three years after he's established a winner, but this year and next a small name coach won't cut it.
I don't know that Meyer is a scumbag. At the end of the day Tressel is really the one who got this program in so much trouble. You may not like some of the kids Urban has recruited over the years, but there haven't been whispers about him cheating and lying every stop of his career. Tressel did. Plus, it's not exactly like Tressel only recruited choir boys and upstanding citizens.
Oh, I don't disagree that Tressel has a lot of the blame here, and the kids he recruited aren't saints.
That being said, our guys don't assault people, threaten murder, etc. like the stuff Urban allowed at Florida. And that's just the stuff we know about. "Time to die bitch." Ring a bell?
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The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009
Urban didn't exactly hold the phone for Chris Rainey while he texted that. In fact, he gave Rainey a 4 game suspension. Yeah, UF's players did some really bad stuff - what Rainey did was terrible - but players everywhere do bad things. Urban himself did not condone any of it.
I seemed to recall a lighter suspension than that, but you're right (it was actually 5!). It just seemed to me Meyer tolerated a lot more thuggishness than anyone around. We've (thankfully) not had that problem, which to me is about 1000 times worse than any of this stuff, which happens everywhere.
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The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009
You say this as if Urban allowed it to happen or encouraged the behavior. Much the same with Tressel.
I think it's funny that Florida teams do seem to get in more trouble, probably because there is more trouble to be had in Miami and around the beaches, resorts, etc. than there is to get into in Ohio. We don't have night clubs and party-goers around the entire state like they do down there to attract the drugs, money, etc. Don't get me wrong, I know bad things happen in Ohio, but not the same kind of crowds. In Ohio, bad things happen in seedy, crappy bars and if you are involved it means you're on hard times. In Miami, bad things (drugs, hookers, illegal money transfers) happen with bikini clad, champagne party boats/beaches/bars, etc and if you take part it means you are a baller.
“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.” - Woody
Holy crap guys! Enough with the double standard. You can't be supportive of Tressel and call Meyer a "scumbag" at the same time.
October 20th: National Kenneth Guiton Day
And, vica versa, you can't be supportive of Meyer and call Tressel a scum bag. Or maybe you can if you believe "God wants Meyer to coach here!" Sarcasm noted......
When did I ever call Tressel a scum bag?
October 20th: National Kenneth Guiton Day
I don't want meyer because he's a scumbag and would bring in crooked recruits. I don't want meyer because he'll quit in 5 years like he's quit at every other program.
Plus his success here will always be compared to his legend at Florida and that will always put us second. He (and tOSUO) are in a no win situation.
I'm starting to think everyone around me is insane. We love and CELEBRATE Tressel, despite LYING and what seems to be a very peculiar pattern of NCAA trouble, yet we want nothing to do with "scumbags" as our head coach. Meyer has never been in serious trouble with the NCAA. I'll just say that.
Oh, by the way, crooked recuits like Clarrett, Pryor, Posey, Herron, etc. etc.? Argument busted. Every program in the country brings in crooked recruits because that's just the way it is with kids.
October 20th: National Kenneth Guiton Day
Lying to the NCAA is not even close to some of the stuff that goes on down south. Grade inflation, point shaving, outright thuggery, etc. That's the stuff I don't want here.
And I'm not trying to apologize or justify Tressel's behavior. He screwed up. He lost his job for it. That is OVERpunishment for his mistakes. But, you can't deny he was, and will remain, one of the best coaches in Ohio State history. Are you suggesting that because of the way Woody left office, we should say he's a scumbag too?
We've had scandal, but nothing as bad as the Florida schools. Hell, I think the whole SEC is just a big gang. That's why they oversign. More people to help commit assault on local marines in bars.
And Meyer hasn't been in serious trouble with the NCAA yet. Just like Saban and Chip Kelly. There's always something the NCAA hammer of arbitrary justice can bring down on all big program coaches. Because the NCAA rules are trash.
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And, just to be clear, I only jumped off the Fickell train upon sitting in the stands Saturday (not booing, except at the shitty refereeing, mind you) and seeing us not even attempt a play with a TO and time at the end of the half, and then seeing Miller pulled in the 4th.
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Time to cut bait.
Is it acceptable to BOO this?
Fan of bacon since 1981
Beat me to it.
Can we boo these guys? Or would that hurt their feelings too much?
Booo to all of them. In one season, we've gone from 12-1 Sugar Bowl Champs to a battered program. We were a team that - had they stopped Wisconsin just one more time on third down - could have played for a National Title. Now we're just hoping to make a bowl - any bowl.
hahaha
"Winter is coming" - Urban Meyer
NO! THESE GUYS KNOW WHAT THEY DID WAS WRONG! THEY'RE NOT ANY HAPPIER ABOUT THIS THAN WE ARE! YOU"RE JUST CLASSLESS AND UNINTELLIGENT! I'M OBVIOUSLY CLASSY AND SMART AS EVIDENCED BY MY ALL CAPS!
[/end sarcasm]
THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!
Fan of bacon since 1981
GASP! Absolutely not! They are just little kids, Nappy. They don't know what they're doing!
LMFAOROTLF!!
Well Said!
Class of 2008
This season is quickly becoming a total circus act. I'm behind Fickell, but I just don't know how he can possibly stabilize this situation.
Wow. These are supposed to be leaders. No wonder the team is a hot mess.
Or is it Legends? I can't ever keep them straight...
Everyone should start spending their money and time going to the other OSU sports... I was thinking about going back for a football game, but screw that... I'm gonna find a way to get back to watch the Women's Volleyball team, and am hoping that one of the soccer teams gets a southern path this postseason so I can spend the money to go support them...
Is this the start of the rise of Basketball as the sport at OSU?
Cause I couldn't go for three
I like this idea. I'm going to make an effort to go to other OSU sports as well.
I. Hate. Everything.
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My life is empty and bereft of any joy. A dark cloud of pissthistles hovers over me.
If there is anything you are not hating enough I will pick up the slack.
+1
And direct 99.99% of that to TSUN.
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The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009
pissthistles. i fucking hate those too.
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I bleed tOSU football. But this is getting farking rediculous. I am about to boycott this season just to forget about it all. If this went on AFTER tat-gate, these boys need to be seperated from the team. But it is laughable that this is such a big thing w/all that goes on in the SEC, Miami and FSU, and certain PAC-12 schools. I guess tOSU is the NCAA's only focus right now? SMFH...
"We have a quarterback, obviously, that's kind of ridiculous running the ball." - Urban Meyer
I understand the sentiment, but "boycotting the season" is laughable. for many reasons.
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EAT TOO BRUTUS WILL STILL BE AWESOME....let's drink our sorrows away together and beat cancer at the same time
I'm with you Alex. That said, we might need to go pick up a few bottles of freaking Everclear to get through the night.
Let us stamp out cancer with our mighty clown shoes which we otherwise keep tripping over.
one word...
fuck
2 more...
"i quit"..wake me up next year
"Winter is coming" - Urban Meyer
If you want to know why the fans were booing Saturday, it's precisely because of this. Saturday was a culmination of all the off-field issues translating to mediocrity on the field.
Booo..... BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
It's time for Smith to resign or be fired. For Fickell, kick these kids off the team now. Right now, I'm not even caring about the expected loss to Nebraska and many others. This program is making me sick.
I'll bet we ain't seen nothin'yet.Duck & cover, just like they taught us in the 50's.The big one is still on the way.There's an oil man in TX somewhere laughing at the whole Buckeye Nation.
I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.
Man, I'd hate to see the reaction to some real problems like assault, gambling, hooker abortions, hundreds of thousands of dollars, etc.
I'd probably booo....wait, did you say hookers?
Fan of bacon since 1981
"Man, I'd hate to see the reaction to some real problems like assault, gambling, hooker abortions, hundreds of thousands of dollars, etc."
OOooh...I KNOW...I KNOW...Pick me! LOL...CLASSIC!
"Have you earned your buckeye today?"
You mean the kinds of things that Urban Meyer allows to happen with only a one game suspension that comes against Northwestern Florida AT&T?
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I think everyone knows and understands that you have a pathological hatred for the one coach who can even begin to get us out of this mess. You only mention it in every thread.
Only in Ragemode Pogue. I'm feeling slightly better now, but will shut up about my hatred of him.
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The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009
I feel like there's a Craig James joke in there somewhere...I just don't know where anymore.
I'm not boycotting our team or our coaches at this point. A football team is a large group and were talking about enough guys to start for a basketball team here. It's not most of these guys fault that this is happening and they deserve our support like we've always given. The guys who decide to go against the scarlet and gray.....well I dont have much to say about them that hasnt already been said.
The rest of the team should get our support though. They arent the ones who let Buckeye Nation down.
"Have you earned your buckeye today?"
I like to think I've been on the side of not overreacting throughout all of this, but I really don't think there's any alternative now to a complete housecleaning in the athletic department.
Even if Smith wasn't at fault for not knowing that Cicero had e-mailed Jim Tressel, the quickness of the initial investigation, the vouching for Tressel's honesty weeks before firing him, and the fact that new issues keep coming to light every time he assures us that this is finally the end, makes the man in charge look ineffectual and overly concerned with PR. He needs to fall on his sword, or be fired if he refuses to do so. The need for new leadership in the compliance office speaks for itself. And as for Posey and Herron--if they need money this badly, it might be time for them to look into if Wal-Mart is hiring for the holiday season. I don't want to see either one any more.
As with the original tattoo story, I really don't think this is huge in and of itself, or something that doesn't go on at most bigtime athletic programs. But life isn't always fair.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
The only reason Gene is still around is so that he can be fed to the wolves when the NCAA decision comes down. You nailed it; he's been inept every step of the way and today's presser just showed he has no capacity to cut through the mess and clean it up quick. Frankly, he looked like a man already knowing his fate. Gee will give him the axe to make himself and the Board of Trustees look good, and then announce a new era. That will mean an AD search with an implied head football coach search coming at the end of the season. My sense is that, under the radar, the AD/HC will be a package deal; that is, Urban Meyer gets to pick his own boss.
DotThei
While I agree 100% that Smith is out, I think it's very, very unlikely that the new HC (assuming it is Meyer or some other marquee guy) will "pick his own boss" as you say. This is too big of a business for the OSU Board of Trustees to not orchestrate exactly who is hired.
This is a pile of horse manure steeped in the dung of a thousand elephants.
Even the mob can get no-show jobs done right. Why can't a guy with the name DiGeronimo keep this straight?
Please, be honest. This is for science.
Fake ass Italian. Fake as hell.
+1
They should really just consult Siciliano... Now THERE'S an Italian with a no-show job.... or so it seems.
Is Gene Smith Italian?? He seems to be working a no-show job himself!
"Have you earned your buckeye today?"
And you get your own +1.
Please, be honest. This is for science.
Also, Im confused....if these violations occured about the same time as the other "illegal benefits" why are they now being punished seperately and additionally?
"Have you earned your buckeye today?"
They were probably unknown until Pryor decided to rat people out to the NCAA.
WELL SHUCK MY CORN!
On the bright side, this news broke before 5pm so I'll be able to stop at the bar on my way home.
Maybe we should start chanting L-O-I-C instead of O-H-I-O...
Our goose is cooking....really fast.
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
This the death penalty, only it's slow torture.
I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.
I see we are #1 on S.I. news stories.
I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.
#2 on ESecPN front page.
after this weekend i am convinced god hates every sport in the state ... lol if this was tecmo bowl back in the day everyone would have hit the reset button by now
LOL - it's only funny cuz it's true
And then selected Oakland for Bo Jackson
Each week we get reminded of bonehead players and scumbag boosters. Seriously, fans of OSU football in a position to 'help' these kids. Stop it. Why? What are they getting? So they can brag about "Hooking Boom up!" or "Being tight with Pose!". Players don't like you, they use you. Boosters are such dochers....
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
Come on guys ,this is the real world. Haven't any of you lived long enough to get fired.This a classic case of asking for a resignation.
I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.
So how about some good news?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/stats/2011/rushing/0_byRUS...
Beanie Wells has finally had a chance to show the NFL what all of us Buckeyes already know. Beanie sure can play when he gets the touches and he's not hurt.
Beanie was a farking BEAST yesterday. He trucked two dudes for his 2nd and 3rd TD. Knocked a helmet off a LB's head in the process. Too bad the officiating crew totally jobbed my Cardinals later in the game allowing NY to win.
"We have a quarterback, obviously, that's kind of ridiculous running the ball." - Urban Meyer
Read the OSU report, pay rate was apparently $15/hr although this was far less than other workers because of the union. Because of the terrible record keeping by the company, there is no way to refute or prove hours worked. Most guys were paid for hours that they didn't work as determined by the NCAA. Posey also received free golf with Talbott.
If this is not an impetus to clean house, starting all the way up with Gee, through the compliance office and Smith and the entire football staff, I don't know what is.
We will now get hit with institutional control, despite OSU's best defense that there was no way for them to know about this. Sorry, too many strikes, especially after we completed a "thorough and complete" investigation of everything back in March to make sure we "didn't miss anything." This is BS, the people in charge of OSU are completely incompetent and unethical....
there I said it....
Firing Gee doesn't make any sense, whereas I'm starting to agree with those that Smith's days are numbered.
Gee, Smith and Tressel are the three stooges here. They are all in bed together as was evidenced at the first beautiful press conference announcing the "beginning of the end."
"I just hope he doesn't fire me"
Step up Board of Trustees.
Gee's role at the University is far larger than football and I think he is generally considered to be a great sucess during his time as President of the University - despite the occaisional gaffe when it comes to making off the cuff remarks about the football team. My best guess is his job is safe. He will probably retire from Ohio State someday on his own time frame and have a building named after him.
Agreed... Those calling for Gee's head are clueless. This is still an academic institution, and when it comes to raising Ohio State's academic bona fides, Gee has been phenomenal.
Gee was named by Time Magazine I believe, as the best university President in the US. He's led unprecedented rises in our university's overall rankings, the College of Engineering, the Fisher Business School, and OSU's Medical Center has become one of the top centers in the nation under Gee. Those calling for his head don't understand what his position even is.
I don't think you should call me clueless. Just as the head coach of the football team is ultimately tied to everything about the football program, Gee is tied to everything about OSU. A significant part of this university is the football program, although, I agree with everyone that the degree-awarding portion of the institution is larger than the football/athletic side. How OSU has handled this situation, internally and externally, has been a complete disaster - at times it appears that a kindergardener could do a better job. So again, with me being the clueless one, when the football players and coach(es) make mistakes, the athletic director handles the situation poorly, and the compliance department is unable to do its job, who else should we look to? That's the reason I suggest Gee, the ring leader of it all. I don't think it will happen and I think that academically speaking, Gee is a special president, but I am ready to take drastic measures to put this behind us and move forward. I would be surprised if we didn't get hit with a lack of institutional control now. But again, calling me clueless.... OK.
The OSU Board of Trustees has already made the decision to remove the compliance function from the Department of Athletics going forward (i.e., a de facto reduction in the amount of responsibility the AD will hold). So at least there's that.
I'm fairly certain almost all of us agree that this whole situation has been handled poorly from a PR perspective from the very beginning, and there is quite possibly a LOIC and/or FTM charge coming from the NCAA Infractions Committee. I believe if Gene Smith does not announce his resignation before that letter arrives the Board of Directors will make the move to fire him on the spot.
In my opinion, the honorable thing for him to do is to announce his resignation (now, or within the very near future) and agree to stay on until all of the proceedings with the NCAA are complete.
Agreed.
Gene has done a lot of good for Ohio State and he seems like a very likable guy, but compliance is part of the job.
The Athletic DIRECTOR and his compliance staff is responsible for being in everyone's business. "What are you driving? Where are you living? Where's your money coming from? Receipts for all of this, gentlemen?"
At best, he has been negligient in all of these compliance issues. At worst, he has looked the other way.
So he is either not doing his job, or he is looking the other way. On the subject of compliance, and let me stress compliance, he is either incompetent or corrupt. I don't know how anyone comes to any other conclusion other than the two provided.
I agree...it's no secret I really like Gene Smith...some of his decisions or indecisions in regard to handling this whole mess have definitely not been up to par with the work he has made a career on as an athletic director during his lifetime.....it's definitely looking bleeker for his future at OSU and I'd be surprised to see him around after March Madness......he said it himself---he needs to be held accountable for this as it is his staff that needed to make sure things like this didn't happen. I'm a firm believer that if the people at the bottom aren't doing their jobs, the people are the top aren't either....I really think Gene Smith is a good AD and the position he was put in was an extremely tough one, but sympathy won't save his job here
The athletic dept. is just one piece of what Gee deals with. His job is to fundraise and he does phenomenally with that. No reason to get rid of him.
Smith's job in this whole mess is to get OSU out of this with the fewest long term penalties possible before he leaves. I still think thats possible. Granted, this is new information, but for the most part it's contained to the same small group of guys as he has contended all along and the investigation was never going to discover everything overnight. His connections within the NCAA will also help more than any other AD, nomatter how much better the program would have looked to the public.
I don't think Gene Smith had to hold a press conference. It seems to just magnify the negative news in this 24/7 news cycle. Just release a brief statement.
"You win with people." - Woody Hayes
If you blame our players alone, I want to sell you some ocean front prop here in c-bus. This is nothing more than a witch hunt at this point. The NCAA is completely irrelevant and we should just play our guys to spite that bunch of thugs in Indy. What does it matter at this point? Take a closer look idiots, does this look any different from the other successful programs right now... hehemmmm, Nick Saban...Les Miles...
sorry, by idiots, i mean those clowns in the NCAA
theDuke
No surprise that the guys already taking advantage of booster opportunities took even more advantage.
Systemic idiocy. The current system of punishment doesn't punish the offenders, it punishes the rest of the team. I hope all the offenders see their draft stock absolutely tank.
Today has to break a record for most comments on 11W in one day.
“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.” - Woody
It says a lot about how numb we are to suspensions at this point when this article has less comments than the "Don't boo!" article.
Give it time, it's getting there quick.
But yeah, between two postings about this and the 200+ thread of booing banter, we had over 500 comments in a day.
11W be blowning up!
Wait a minute, maybe 11W adverstisers are in on it! Who owns City Barbeque and are they paying players to work there?
“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.” - Woody
On a day we all need a drink (or ten), we do finally have this...
Some good news for Ohio at last!
you guys are so behind on the times....question is when do you finally get Everclear...been drinking that shit since high school
Sorry, couldn't help it..
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nope, yeungling is also suspended this week.
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You're right. According to Cincinnati Biz Journal, I won't see it in my city until November.
Could this day possibly get any worse? I feel like I'm going to go home and flip on BTN and see "Michigan lands commitments from 20 five-star recruits today, all from the State of Ohio".
oops... I spoke too soon. This day can get worse. I have to stay late tonight for work. Effing great.
I get the feeling that this season is slowly turning into a remake of this 1991 classic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessary_Roughness_(film)
Sound familiar?
"Due to NCAA sanctions, the Texas State University Fightin' Armadillos must start from scratch to build a new team after a tradition of winning. The previous staff and players violated numerous rules and regulations, resulting in a ban for everyone from returning except Charlie Banks, the only "clean" player, who never got to play despite having "heart.""
I wonder if Sinbad is still available....
We need Manu Manu the slender on the dl. Hank, Manu, and John Simon... Beast
In the best tradition of intramural sports, will the other teams OSU plays "give us" a few starters to make the teams even?
At this point Howard would give up a TD to Devier Posey's Suspended Shadow.
NEED............A...............BREAK..............FROM..............THIS...........NEVER.....................ENDING.....................NIGHT................MARE
vacuuming sucks
Gene Smith is on such borrowed time, wow is he inept. Every time he speaks -- it's a sense of uncertainty & confusion.
Prediction on this week's game, I've NEVER predicted Ohio State to lose a game, going back to about 2000....but, after last week's (lack of) offense against MSU, coupled with the chaos in the locker room, (that we even know about, I'm sure there's more not even publicized)...I predict OSU will lose, for sure ....
Nebraska 30 Ohio State 13
... and this isn't even that great of a Nebraska team. Their defense is not up to "Blackshirts" standards and their QB has trouble throwing when they need a long conversion. But, our horrible offense will consistently give their offense short fields, which will result in Nebraska 3 TDs and 3 FGs.
"You win with people." - Woody Hayes
13 points on the board for the Buckeyes? Now, that's funny. I'll go with 3. And we're staring at a very, very real possibility of a losing season. Purdue and Indiana feel like the only teams we have a good shot at beating.
DotThei
Sadly I'm trying to figure where we get 13 points??
The 13 points is what Nebraska is going to spot us after the kickoff. You know, so they have a reason to compete after the first quarter.
I'm thinking a junk TD at the end, much like last week -- sprinkled in with a few field goals somewhere in the game; Nebraska's D is less leniant than MSUs.
I hope I'm wrong.
Maybe Taylor Graham and/or Kenny Guiton can spark a drive or two...anything at this point. Justin Siems, maybe.
"You win with people." - Woody Hayes
It is time for Gene Smith to DISASSOCIATE HIMSELF FROM THE PROGRAM.
Some of the same guys in the Tat scam are on the take FROM THE SAME BOOSTER AS THE CHARITY SCAM and this revelation comes out after a news cycle about these guys returning to the lineup?
Is Smith managing this stream of bad news in order to maximize the damage? He did not know until now?
His lack of leadership is stunning. All of the dirt should have been investigated, uncovered and announced. A zero tolerance policy should have been instituted and repeat offenders should have been shown the door.
Instead, Smith said he would stand behind Tressel because of all the good he'd done. Then he unceremoniously dumped Tressel on the heels of a string of allegations that were mostly unfounded (and some proven untrue) thereby cementing those allegations as true in the public's mind. Then he all but self imposes the death penalty (stabbing 100 innocent players and the remainder of the staff in the back in the process) leaving the NCAA nothing but draconian policies to use on the university. Since, we have had a slow bleed of violations that are a PR nightmare. While none are as bad as what has gone on elsewhere, the mismanaged PR fiasco is going to force the NCAA to make an example out of Ohio State. Still no players are gone (POSEY, BOOM) and no zero tolerance policy announced.
What we do have is a coach without authority to hire his own staff or impose program wide policies left waiting for the core of his offense to return only to find out that it won't happen on the eve of games.
A proud and strong program is being killed by a million cuts while the incompetent AD bumbles through news conference after news conference.
GENE SMITH MUST GO IMMEDIATELY. HIS INCOMPETENCE IS GOING TO KILL OUR PROGRAM.
JLP36
If Italy can let Amanda Knox off, surely the NCAA can let this slide.
+1
The Ohio State University, College of Arts & Sciences, Class of 2006
The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009
I've never looked forward to a basketball season as much as I am this upcoming one. Fuck all of this.
Mr. Gee better get Smith out as AD. Get a new, fresh face in there that means business. Sweep the football program completely away from the Tressel era by getting Urban Meyer, Jon Gruden, or another big name coach to completely re-staff us. Start a new era of winning. More importantly, start a new era of winning THE RIGHT WAY.
October 20th: National Kenneth Guiton Day
I have figured out why all of this has happened to our beloved Buckeyes...
http://twitpic.com/5lsqdo
God is punishing us for this ^^^
You have got to be f---ing kidding me? Nothing has changed we get adams back. hopefully williams soon
Why are our scandals and suspensions always so lame? If I'm going to have to keep saying, "you have to be kidding me," as I read about another suspension every two months... at least make it interesting.
Boom and Posey should have taken as much money as an agent would fork over, spent every dime on hookers, meth and NCAA Suxxxx t shirts, then filmed the ensuing chaos and posted it on YouTube.
Seriously what a joke. Why are we self report this shh. You think Jordan Jefferson at LSU paid for 40 pairs of sneakers? This is why college football is a joke, well this and the fact that there is no PLAYOFFS. I'm done with this shit see you for bball season.
Actually, if you ask me, this is exactly the kind of thing that should be self-reported; and after it is self-reported, that ought to be the end of it. By itself, this additional kerfuffle is worth a one-game suspension. It is really too bad that it is added on to another suspension. I'm tired of this drip-drip-drip of dumb and inconsequential bylaw violations. When a Michigan guy says that about an Ohio State investigation, well...
Your previous Athletic Director, Andy Geiger was the best in the Conference and maybe the best in the nation. Your current AD is not impressing me.
I think he has ceased to impress all of us. I'm frankly shocked he still has a job.
Here's a specific thing that bothers me: It is OSU's hire of The Compliance Group to help walk the school through the investigative process. I have to say, I think The Compliance Group has actually done some work for Michigan; but for our investigation, we retained the Lightfoot law firm out of Birmingham, Alabama. That's the firm that was more recently retained by Tressel personally, and it might well have happened following a telephone conversation between Rich Rodriguez and Coach Tressel, for all I know.
After our hearing in Seattle with the NCAA, the NCAA actually withdrew one part of the original Notice of Allegations versus Michigan. It was a seriously good, buttoned-down investigation.
Headlines like this, mandate swift and bold action. Above all, this is about The Ohio State University's football program. We are experiencing the backslide...now. It must end in 2011. We cannot follow Michigan's nor Notre Dame's, examples. We must not lower our expectations:
http://news.yahoo.com/troubled-ohio-state-verge-collapse-214707681.htmlÂ
Why are you guys acting like this took place this year, this was in 2009/10 before tat gate so ripping posey and Herron and saying they should be kicked off the team for something this old is stupid
The report said February 2011
couldn't agree more - the only way to avoid being in the bottom half of the big ten for the next 6 or 7 years is to hire a big name coach for the sake of recruiting - it doesn't have to be Meyer, but better be someone with that amount of splash.
The shit is getting deeper now. Unbelievable. Granted, the overpayments seem to be a trivial thing to have be a violation, but rules are rules. Whether we agree with them or not, the players have to follow them. It's ridiculous to think that any of these players would accept improper benefits AFTER EVERYTHING THAT WENT DOWN THIS OFFSEASON! Good God alMIGHTY! Never mind that we lost a great coach, a stud QB, had a huge witch hunt embarked upon ys by various media outlets, and had the program's and Jim Tressel's reputations drug through the mud, we're going to continue to take that money.
Even though every time he opens his mouth about football, silliness comes out, I don't think firing Gee makes sense, as his role at OSU goes well beyond athletics. Firing Smith - yeah. We don't exactly know what Smith and company in the Athletic Department can do to stop these things from happening. The players are the ones who should be held most accountable. At this point in time, all offenders should be treated as repeat offenders. Even though some individual players are first time offenders, each time this happens, the NCAA sees OSU as a repeat offender. Kick these guys off the team, or at least suspend them the rest of the season. Also, we should decline any bowl bid (provided this team can win 6 games and the NCAA doesn't beat us to the punch and hit us with a postseason ban) to show how seriously we as a university take these transgressions, and the drive to clean up our program.
Class of 2010.
This stuff happened around the same tme as the tat stuff so it int anything new just something that came out now
And those involved did not think to mention it as the program went into emergancy mode. The cover up is what kills a program. These are all 2 bit violoations, but the constant stream of suck leaking out of the program is going to get us hammered. How can this come out now?
JLP36
Hello Failure to Monitor.
I think I will start a Nintendo Duck Hunt tournament starting next fall, you know, when we are not on TV for the entire next season. Anyone want in?
kinda lost the topic but everyone has to remeber the problem are the stupid boosters and hangers on with no ties to the school the sooner these flembags go any or are told to go away by a administration or coach with a set of onions to do it the better off osu will be. also people deal with it 90% chance meyer is gonna be the next coach from his not to subtle hints in interviews etc.i would like to see him keep fickle and vrable as defensive coaches. i just hope that the problems in florida were because it was florida and that thug kid is what he recruited TO BEAT THE OVERSIGNING SCHOOLS and that he will not do that to osu. sorry for rambling. my 2 cents are they should look at peterson boise st gruden and meyer
Oh..........That's to bad (Grinch smile)
Hey, we're not the only ones griping about Smith:
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/03/trio-of-buckeyes-sus...
I can't read all of these because I'd rather not jump head first off a bridge with spike waiting below and my penis tied to a fishing wire. So if this has been said already, I apologize...
I've been firmly in the "forgiving" group untill now. The NCAA rules are as ridiculous and hypocritical as the rules of any dictator in history. I use the word dictator because that is what the NCAA is. They are an evil dictator who polices and patrols it's subjects and when they step out of line of it's views, comes down upon them. No rule that anyone has broken at Ohio State (even that ass clown Pryor) were morally wrong. None broke the law and no one would be codemned by a rational person for their actions in a vacuum seperate from the NCAA.
With that said however, how stupid can someone be? Whether the rule is just or not, it is a rule. A rule that you know about, that you know is being scrutinized more than ever, and a rule that you have already broken MULTIPLE TIMES. I for one am DONE with Herron and Posey. Herron has been my favorite Buckeye for 3 years now and I am done with him. If I lived in a totalitarian society where it was illegal to eat Chicken, I would stop eating freakin Chicken. I love Chicken nearly as much as sex, beer, and football. But after a while, don't you just have to be a grown up and accept the institution you live in? Luke Fickell (we all know Smith wont do it) should step up to the plate and say, "you know what? I don't care what the NCAA does. I do not want people on my team who repeatedly show disregard for the rules and therefore their teammates. Posey, Herron...See you later. You are no longer part of this football team." While he is at it, I say throw Jamaal Berry into that boat as well. He has shown the same characteristics repeatedly. I know that will never happen. No one in college athletics, just-and-fair Fickell included, has the balls to stand up for what is right. Were I in Ohio Stadium when these 2 do come back, since I'm sure they will, I would BOO every time they touch the ball. I HATE booing. Especially at kids whose circumstances are unknown to most of us and didn't break any laws, but there comes a point when you have to decide whether you are going to be a SELFLESS individual or a SELFISH individual. If your situation is so bad that you must continually throw your teammates and the rules aside to make a buck, then get a job, go to a community college, and pay your way through school like so many of us do.
RANT OVER.
Nick
And to respond to anybody calling for Gee's head:
You all seriously need a check on the amount of perspective you have in life. The world does not revolve around this football program.
October 20th: National Kenneth Guiton Day
That would be true if he hadn't aligned himself with the football program.
It's still true.
Agreed
Crazykg,
You must not have a degree from Ohio State. If you did, you would realize Gee has raised the academic profile of the school to new heights and has made your degree more valuable. I don't care if he makes a SHIT LOAD of retarded comments about NCAA football. The man is a PHENOMENAL university president, and he will not rest until our school is named in the same breath as Virginia or Berkeley when it comes to academic bona fides.
Football is not everything.
I agree the university is a lot more than football, but I also don't believe Gee is irreplaceable (in fact, OSU has already had to replace him once). And at 67, he's likely nearing the end of his tenure anyway.
I do expect Gee to survive this (I don't sense he's in any trouble with the board, and he's wisely kept his mouth shut since March), but this episode is definitely part of his legacy here, and not in a good way.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
Listen, I like Gee. But for a guy that has accomplished all of the things he has academically and for this university, he made a very big mistake in aligning himself with the football program to push his ideas and programs. The stupid comments dont help, and they wouldn't have hurt if he wasn't using football to make more money for academics.
I would be fine if he wasn't removed as President of tOSU, but only if he removes himself from the football spotlight. He has to have the appearance of not being involved in any of these scandals to not be mentioned with them. Perception is everything, especially when things are going bad.
Would you please stop self reporting and self investigating? There is no other college in the country doing this bs......just tOSU. I'm tired of Gene Smith. This is all now a game. If this process of trying to show the NCAA that self policing will lessen punishment on judgement day backfires, Smith better be gone. I am certain that is the only reason this crap keeps surfacing every other week.
Having now read the report, I am of the opinion Posey should be removed from the team.
200 dollars and change... Really!!!
Get a grip
So Ramzy, I can't remember everything he said in his article with you, but am I right to believe he was full of shit about doing nothing wrong? I was feeling bad for him after reading your article/interview with him, but I don't recall him admiting to paying for or arranging any rounds of free golf with players. Did he lead you to believe this was possible? Perhaps he wasn't the innocent victim he has portrayed himself as.
Ramzy tweeted yesterday that he emailed Talbott, who responded and claimed he did not pay for Posey's round of golf. He told Ramzy who did pay for it and Ramzy tweeted that he believed him. Ramzy did not tweet the name of the person who paid for the round of golf. I have nothing to base this on but a hunch, but my guess is that the person who paid for Posey to play golf has a name that rhymes with Sherrelle Tire.
Gotcha. I was just curious. Thought maybe Talbott wasn't as innocent as he was claiming to be.
The press is after Gene Smith:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/15681583/numbers-dont-lie...
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/34763/systems-failure-osu-keeps...
Front page, on Fox:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball
Another scapegoat him and Gee don't make any real decissions.They just do what they are told by the big money.
I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.
After reading the self report, I would like to know how they NCAA can truly come to the conclusion how many hours the players did and didn't work. It says they referenced checking accounts and phone records, but I don't see how they can make definitive decisions off of so little. Also, if Posey really did get overpaid that much for working so few hours, then he is obviously lying. No one is stupid enough to think 700 over is just part of the pay check.
So here's what needs to happen now.
1) Anyone causing the team problems from a player standpoints needs to go.
Posey, Herron, Adams, Hall, Thomas....get rid of them all. I don't care if we lose the rest of the games for the year. This crap apparently went on for FOUR GOD DAMN MONTHS after the initial findings happened in November/December. That is what we call "I don't give a shit" syndrome from a player standpoint. They don't care about the school, the program, the tradition. Kick em out. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
2) Gene Smith needs to go....but after this is all said and done.
The reason for this is that I don't want a brand new AD or an Interim-AD to have to try and explain the mess that is going on. Yes, Smith needs to go take a long walk off of a very short cliff, so to speak. However, I want this thing to be completely finished...THEN have him step down/fired/shot out of a cannon/tarred and feathered/sent to Ann Arbor. After that, hire the new AD.
3) FIRE EVERYONE
Coaching staff, athletic assistants, I don't care. Anyone who has been associated with this and didn't think to, you know, stop it? Yep. Fire them all. This whole "Aw shucks guys, you screwed up again but we'll keep you around" attitude is making me sick to my stomach. Fickell. Bollman. Heacock. Siciliano.
Fire. Them. All.
I, for one, welcome our new coaching overlords.
I just don't know how this all manages to happen with Brewster around. For all the acclaim that he got recruting the Brew Crew and becoming a leader I'm not really seeing the results. How did he allow this to happen? He's not some scrub, he legitimitely might be the best NFL prospect on the team. Why hasn't he taken control of this team? For all this talk about brotherhood, and rising up to the occasion I have seen absolutely nothing in return.
Get a grip guys! However this season turns out, just pull together and beat Michigan. That's all want. PLEASE.
Wow seriously? How is Brewster going to watch over and babysit guys in their spare time to make sure they don't do anything stupid?
He has his own life to worry about: classes, working out, family, etc etc.
He can't be sherlock holmes for these brain dead players that can't follow rules or stay out of trouble.
Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.
I have nothing nice to say.
The only thing I have to offer is that for long bodies of text, can we get a TL;DR (too long; didn't read)?