Five More Games for Posey; Others Out for One
As first speculated here last week, DeVier Posey's Ohio State senior season at Ohio State is nearly over before it began. On top of the five games he was suspended for earlier in the season, the wide receiver must now sit an extra five games, leaving just the home game at Penn State and a trip to Michigan along with any bowl the team might make, along with repaying his benefits for extra pay received over the last two summers.
Running back Boom Herron, defensive linemen Melvin Fellows and offensive lineman Marcus Hall must all sit out the Nebraska game as a result of the similar, though lesser, infractions.
In a statement, Gene Smith indicated his disagreement with the penalty:
"I am extremely disappointed with the NCAA’s decision regarding Devier Posey. This penalty is harsh considering the nature of the violation and the five game suspension already served by this student athlete."
And there's your gray box pain for the day.
Comments
He deserves it for doing what he did after all that went down due to the tats.
good riddance
I Hate Michigan.
All the talent in the world. . .
I'm kind of surprised by the severity...but that doesn't mean I disagree. Dumb Dumb Dumbdumbdumbdumbdumb
$&&? this &@!? this season and $@@!
the NCAA...can it just be tomorrow and can we not have an incompetent piece of shit running our offense?...we are still the Buckeyes for christs sake
"Winter is coming" - Urban Meyer
Don't get why the AD was fighting this. If anything, it shows their willingness to be lenient to repeat violators and puts more ammo in the LOIC barrel.
I have to believe that this is a combination of a repeat violation by someone already in trouble, the monetary amount & something we have yet to know until the full details are released weeks down the road.
If it was due to purely "doing it again," you would expect Herron to have 2 games minimum.
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Glad Gene took the stance he did on this instead of the generic "cooperation" rah rah. Doesn't change a promising season going down in flames.
I think Gene was right. If it was a repeat offender thing, then why didn't they all get multi-game additonal suspensions? Repeat offender gets $250 in improper benefits - one extra game. Repeat offender gets $750 in improper benefits - five extra games. Explain to me how that makes any sense.
Real fans stay for Carmen.
The only thing I can think of is that DeVier wasn't forthcoming with the NCAA when originally questioned about this incident.
Its a good thing I already started drinking tonight. Or not.
Anyone in cleveland tonight? Dive bar or golics maybe?
Good luck on that re-programming everyone to like the gray box 11W staff ;)
Yep. Another setback.
Pavlov's dogs became conditioned to salivate when the bell rang. 11W faithful involuntarilly lose control of their sphincter muscles when the gray box apppears.
Good thing I was on the toilet when I read this.
At least Evan Spencer and Devin Smith are getting early starts.... ? Er... ? Weh.
I loled
"I 've got an El Camino full of rampage"-- Sterling Archer, codename: Duchess
OccupyNCAA. Where's that one??
+1
Real fans stay for Carmen.
Good news for Posey is that he's coming back in time for Michigan, thus giving him the opportunity (to be sure, an increasingly hypothetical opportunity) to win another pair of gold pants that he can promptly put on the market.
They really should have just sent a message by kicking him off the team, since it winds up being essentially a year-long suspension anyway.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
The only thing that I havent been able to find in any of these articles is whether or not the players knew they were being overpaid. Has anyone seen this?
The other thing, the total "beneifts" these players have received are very very low compared to Reggie Bush and the Miami Fl thing and yet Posey is losing 10 games and Herron 6? I think this whole thing is rediculous. For how bad Gene Smith has looked dealing with this, I still believe the NCAA has been worse. I won't even bring up Cam Newtons money (or did I? haha!).
No, they apparently didn't realize they were being overpaid: http://www.osu.edu/news/ncaadocs/pdf/MFB_Employment.pdf
Which makes me wonder what happened to the NCAA's Cam Newton logic of "he was unaware of the violation so he isn't responsible".
They supposedly didn't even know what they were being payed per hour, which was less than any of the other employees.
I think it is BS that he got 5 more games. Where in the history of the NCAA did a player get 5 games for this even if he was suspended for something else. If this is their decision then Miami better look out! The NCAA is a f___ joke!
I'm confused. Sharrif Floyd of Florida got 2 games for $2700, Posey gets 5 for $727.50? What was his combined total between Tatgate + $725? I bet it's not much more than $2700, and yet his suspension is 5x that of Floyd's.
Yeah I am still confused about that one.
go bucks
But God told Urban Meyer that Floyd had to play at Florida. That has to account for a few games off the suspension, right?
Things I think are dumb:
1. Posey
2. NCAA
no particular order.. bad combination
Shariff Floyd from U of F got 2 games for receiving $2700. Come on!
Fuck 2011.
Two ways to look at this. The NCAA is wacking individuals who deserve it, our system is not greatluy at fault. OR, the NCAA is tired of tOSU and is going to use scarlet and grey as targets. The number of violators has me leaning toward the latter. If Posey got 10 games and TP would have gotten at least that much and so many others got at more than slaps on wrists, many of whom are the top-tier players we should have been watching for our own good, AND we're still on probation I think this is a message that there is an LOIC with our name on it. After a point an institution that has cause to self-report so much is going to get penalized for not self-monitoring in the first place. Though this is just speculation, and I'll be happy to be proved wrong.
Wow this is f#cked. No way Floyd/Newton got off that light and Posey gets slammed. Total bs, and we can all learn a lesson from Gene Smith and Jim Tressel on how NOT to handle a crisis, and the NCAA on how NOT to dole out punishment.
"Don't put syrup on shit, and tell me it's pancakes"
No matter how sh*tty the tour is, it's always tough to leave.
But Floyd wasn't allowed to see his son play in the championship game.
The horror.
I was not privy to any of this new stuff with Herron, Posey, et al as it was going on. However, I heard an interesting tidbit earlier this week when the news of added suspensions first broke. OSU was scrambling to figure out how to deal with this and they consulted with their outside compliance counsel. Apparently, OSU did not do everything (maybe even anything) that the outside counsel recommended. This wasn't particularly worrisome to the outside counsel because, as it was explained to me, OSU is one of about five schools that can tell the NCAA what to do.
I know we've long speculated that OSU was big and powerful enough to push back on the NCAA when it needed to. This is the first time I've actually heard someone in a position to know articulate as much. I don't know how to put this in context of the current mess we're in. Maybe we flexed some of that muscle early on and that's why the LOA wasn't as harsh as it could have been and why our self-imposed sanctions weren't stiffer than everyone outside of Columbus had hoped. With regard to the latest sanctions, while added suspensions for this stuff seems very harsh, maybe the NCAA would have pressed harder if this were another program. I have no idea. But I think that there is a whole lot of back room dealing that goes on between OSU and the NCAA and that both sides agree in advance what their public stance will be. For instance, Gene Smith comes forward and states how disappointed he is in this decision, thus giving the impression that the NCAA stuck it to us and they can maintain the facade of defenders of amateur athletics. Meanwhile, OSU is just telling the NCAA what sanctions it will accept and will play along for the sake appearances. Both sides wink and nod and try not to rock the boat too much.
This is obviously pure speculation on my part, and even if true, I'm not sure we get spared the LOIC or bowl bans now. I would have thought that USC was among those five programs that get to call their own shots and we all know how that turned out for them.
Interesting post; out of curiosity would those five be OSU, Bama, Texas, USC and Notre Dame? What about Michigan?
"Don't put syrup on shit, and tell me it's pancakes"
No matter how sh*tty the tour is, it's always tough to leave.
No idea. I was just told that OSU is one of five. Your list looks pretty good to me though. Texas would definitely be on there. I also think the list would not be exclusive to football powers only so it makes me wonder if Bama would make the cut. They've spent some serious time in the NCAA's penalty box so maybe not.
I wouldn't include Alabama in that list. The NCAA bends them over about once a decade.
http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-foo...
Judging by the NYT study on college fanbases, I'd say it's Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame, and Texas.
Makes you wonder why Penn State has NEVER been slapped with probation during it's entire existence. Perhaps their pull is a little stronger than we thought.
I totally agree, which is why I don't agree with those who think Smith needs to leave. The current situation is not about public relations, it's about dealing with the NCAA, and I still trust that man knows how to deal with them better than anyone else.
One word: HORSESHIT
I think that's actually two words. . .or at least it should be hyphenated?
I've got two words for you...
The NCAA is a bag of hypocritical sh!t
So once again the NCAA says they care about the student athlete but then shits on them!
I think I am going to write a letter on Monday to the NCAA.
"Don't put syrup on shit, and tell me it's pancakes"
No matter how sh*tty the tour is, it's always tough to leave.
Watching the halftime show for the Fresno State/Boise State game. During an interview, Bret Bielema said "we have two running backs in James Ball and Montee White."
So, at least there's that.
Remember when Coop used to refer to his own players by their jersey numbers rather than having to know their names? Yeah...
Ok I've had it! Obviously I'm irritated, like all, with tress, tp, smith, posey, et al, but the NCAA and its idiocy makes that all fade to the background. Can someone explain to me how this system is permitted to work? Nearly everyday you hear about a big time program's player(s) involved in a crime--assault, drug abuse, theft, other non random acts of violence and ALMOST NEVER do you hear the NCAA get involved. They leave it up to the school. On the rare times they DO get involved, there is NEVER a suspension of this significance. It's absolutely ridiculous!! Something must be done. What exactly are they protecting our student athletes from with their 'rules'?
One thing I will say for the tatters...they said they would come back and face the music, and they did, and it's been more brutal on them than I'm sure they could have ever imagined. All those guys are at least potentially pro-caliber, all of which to say, they did wrong and they took responsibility. Doesn't sound like the acts of $ grubbing, selfish morons. Decent guys making bad decisions. I can't believe how this has played out. For their sakes and ours I wish they had just skipped the Sugar Bowl and left. What a dumpster fire.
sfgoods
In terms of the Tatters coming back let's be real. Thomas was undraftable, he had no choice. Herron and Posey were both very late rounds bordering on undrafted, they needed to gamble they could improve their stock (Posey looks good compared to our other current receivers but was totally outplayed by Sanzenbacher last year, and Sanzenbacher went undrafted; Boom has generally been only adequate, though it's hard to know how much of that is his being only adequate, how much is play design, and how much is o-line non-performance. Given these unknowns he had a better chance than Posey.). Only Adams could have left with any certainty of getting selected in a decent round, and even his stock could go up. The most intriguing potential pro was TP and he went in the third round - tell me that reflects what he thinks his potential value is, that he would not have liked a chance at a good senior year! The others came back because it was in their self-interest to do so and for no other reason.
And it's only slightly helpful to look at *what* happened. If it was criminal the player looks at those sanctions too. Short of criminal the NCAA has guidelines and a player who cares about such things can get a rough idea about what might happen to him; and a school who cares about such things can get a rough idea what might happen if, say, a coach lies to cover up "minor" infractions. I'm not saying this because I think that the NCAA enforcement makes sense, I think it's window dressing to justify their own existence, especially if there are some programs who get a different set of rules. I'm just saying that players and universities that care can know in advance that if *this* gets done then there is a good chance that *this* will happen. And plan accordingly.
Well said, sfgoody! I agree on all points.
Real fans stay for Carmen.
Posey's attorney with strong words for the NCAA, to which the NCAA replied "patently false."
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/10/07/2443962/ncaa-suspends-wr-posey-for-all.html
Maybe I just didn't pay as much attention before ... but to me, when in the shitaki did the NCAA start responding to things in such quick fashion?
Again, might have just not ever paid them much notice but they seemingly have become a factory of almost immediate response to outside stances.
If James has evidence, he should present it to the public, otherwise, in a war of words, the NCAA will always win. Put up or shut up.
My speculation...The NCAA discovered something more significant than what they are reporting. Too significant to bring to light because we are too valuable. They are slowly turning the screw because they can't afford to bring the ultimate penalty. Our "leaders" are in on it and trying to avoid the death penalty.
I don't think it's a death penalty case - what happened with us does not compare with SMU. But I do think it quite realistic that a bowl ban, maybe two years, and recruiting reductions that come with an LOIC are increasingly possible. Learn from whatever USC tells us. No one Buckeye got as much as Bush, but the problems at OSU seem to be more widespread. And, technically, we are still on probation.
I just don't understand this anymore. I'm so infuriated that my jersey might catch on fire.
Your #8 jersey?
You own a Bellisari Jersey?
-The Aristocrats!
My #8 jersey is a David Boston jersey. I don't know about anyone else's. And I think mine is about ready to spontaneously combust.
"There's a fine line between perception and reality." -- Luke Fickell
He wore #9. Maybe it's a Stanley Jackson Jersey?
-The Aristocrats!
Uh, guys, it's just a figure of speech relating my anger to temperature. Don't need to waste the flavor of the joke.
I'm a huge Posey fan. I don't think he and Herron did anything wrong. It seems that their hours were accounted for, but the NCAA didn't care.
Well, BF, I lost the flavor of the joke by missing my roster number. I should have gotten it right, and had I done so, I'm sure my joke would have landed, and we all could share an extended grin on a not-so-good day - the events of which will probably extend the gloom over Buckeyemerica for yet another week. Sorry gang, I missed.
Blame Canada! ;-)
No, blame me.
"There's a fine line between perception and reality." -- Luke Fickell
Good catch. You are indeed correct - and I've become far too old to remember this stuff <grin>. Isn't there an all-time roster by number somewhere on the Interwebz? I'm sure I saw one at one time...
"There's a fine line between perception and reality." -- Luke Fickell
http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/osu/graphics/pdf/m-footbl/10_p132to175.pdf it starts on page 18. The whole thing is 22 pages, and a good read.
-The Aristocrats!
Thanks! That's was the one I was thinking of!
Actually, my #8 is a 90s-style jersey with the big, gray stripes on the sleeves. I have a current style with #0, but it seems no one ever wore that number for the Bucks, so I guess it doesn't count. :-/
"There's a fine line between perception and reality." -- Luke Fickell
"Who cares? Go Bucks." - Aaron Untch
Oh good. For a while there I was worried we wern't going to get another kick in the balls before the Nebraska game.
+1
Looking at the breakdown of hours worked vs. hours paid gives may show why Posey got a stiffer suspension. The rest of the guys were getting overpaid by four or five hours a week. Posey had a week where he was paid for 20 hours and didn't work any. It's easy to believe that you wouldn't notice a few extra hours here or there, but when you don't work at all and still get paid.... it's just taking money from a booster
To be up front and frank...this is the most extreme punishment Ive seen for such an infraction, whats even more obsured is deep within the belly of the SEC u have young men almost killing individuals in a bar fight...and a multiplicity of other infractions...The only thing that I can make of it is, the NCAA may not be as harsh on the overall decision of the Tat-gate, which counter weights the overall reason for this extreme punishment..GBOD!!!!
Crimes against humanity aren't as bad as booster handshakes and tattoos, ya know?
This is depressing.
"Don't put syrup on shit, and tell me it's pancakes"
No matter how sh*tty the tour is, it's always tough to leave.
Time to use this anger on the field.
The penelty is significant. But when you read the submission to the NCAA from Ohio State, the one thing that jumps out is that Posey drives from Columbus to his job (over a two hour drive) and then clocks in. Then supposedly drives back to C-bus after work. A college kid does this? If he worked 8 hours at $10/hour he makes $80. He needs a tank of gas for the round trip. So he makes no more than $40 for the day? Huh?
All of these players getting introduced to the Italian Stalllion at the charity event knowing they will get paid to do nothing. They deserve what they get.
These jobs have been around for years and they exist everywhere and they got caught.
Buckeyes might not win tonight, but they will give The Huskers all they want. Go Bucks!
Per Posey's attorney, Posey made more than the others because he was working a prevailing wage job. The NCAA thought that he should have made the $15 per hour the other players were making.
Does the NCAA expect the employer to violate federal law?
http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/10/08/ncaa-suspends-posey-for-5-games.html
"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)
Al Davis dead at 82. ESPN reports cause unknown. NCAA suspects T. Pryor was involved.
But it only took the NCAA 1 day to decide that Cam Newton was eligible!? At this point the NCAA is clearly just effing with us. I am convinced of it.
The only "favor" they could do for tOSU now is issue the punishment, tomorrow. Again, murder trials take 2 weeks. Cam Newton was "cleared" in 1 day, yet the last I heard is we can expect a decision from the NCAA as late as January?! So much for recruiting and guess what, if you can't recruit it doesn't matter who is coaching your team. By delaying a final decision until well beyond November the NCAA is passively imposing far worse punishment beyond mere bowl games and schollies. Delaying the decison ensures bad recruiting (years of mediocrity) and likely retaining Fickell, etc... because no one else will be interested in jumping into a cesspool. Contrats to Michigan and Penn State who will reap the majority of the benefits. Michigan, in the form of recruits we would have otherwise landed and Penn State in the form of the coach we would have otherwise landed.
Attn: Next AD...no more self-reporting. Never again. Obviously, there are no brownie points for doing so.
All of this has me interested in/considering only following professional sports. At least if (I know...I'm dreaming) the Browns ever go to the Super Bowl I'll know ...the Browns went to the Super Bowl. That ACTUALLY happened. How, after all of this will you not watch OSU win something and in the back of your mind not be thinking, "Gosh...I hope this is actually happening. I hope Braxton didn't get a free round at Muirfield last spring. Crap...what if he did?"
Ohio State: where those who stay will be
championssuspended for the majority of their senior season.What you did there....I see it
If Denard Robinson isn't careful with spooning all that food into his mouth, he's going to end up lookin' like Whoopi Goldberg
When does the vent thread begin for tonight's game?
Watch how these men abandon good ship O.S.S. Buckeye after this season.
I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.
Yeah, I have a feeling that this may bring foward any warts that may have not been brought out yet!
go bucks
Who aaaaaaahhh!!
I've been at occupy Cleveland this week. Heard a lot of word on the street.Can't repeat it of course, I would just be blocked.Flyin' to CBUS for occupy on Mon. at 8:00 am.Should be a real hoot especially if we lose tonight,God forbid.Maybe it will be like the old days,what am I saying I can't outrun the pigs nowdays.GO BUCKS!
I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.
I just love how the NCAA singles out one player for "inappropriate" actions and they turn around and punish the rest of the kids on the team for years to come. It's NOT the school they're punishing, or even the alumni - they're punishing the students - the kids, all of them, whether they participate in athletics or not.
NCAA: Quit punishing the kids!
"There's a fine line between perception and reality." -- Luke Fickell
Does anyone else just have that weird feeling that we're gonna win tonight? Like in 2004 against Michigan? I have that same feeling right now that I had that day. Unfortunately, we don't have Ted Ginn... but I think Braxton has enough potential to pull a Troy Smith 2004 with the appropriate play calling.... I guess getting the appropriate playcalling is the really tough thing.
Nice positive thinking..but no I don't feel that.
I see a sloppy game between both teams..but Nebraska making just a few more big plays than us.
Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.