Your Vent Thread

By Jason Priestas on September 17, 2011 at 10:28p
250 Comments

Yes, that was terrible. Though the defense firmed up after giving up 14 early, it's been a long, long time since we've witnessed quarterback play like that.

If you take a step back and think about it, we knew there would be some bumps in the road this season. I guess it was just hard to imagine it would be this ugly.

At any rate, keep it civil. This is a young team and the sun will come up tomorrow.

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SilverBullets's picture

Does anyone know if Gene Smith has given Spielman hiring power with Urban?

Jason Priestas's picture

Just wanted to repeat my call to keep things civil. The banhammer will be on standby.

Blake's picture

Can't help but think our team that was supposed to be fielded for the 2011 season before the tatgate stuff would've hammered that Miami team by about 40 points. That is literally the worst offensive display at Ohio State I've seen in a long time. If Baus is the QB for next week, I fear the fans might riot...

Sgt. Elias's picture

agreed. hella bad display

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

acBuckeye's picture

You're right on. Miller may suck at reading defenses, and making decisions, but at least he moved the chains w/ his legs. Baus was completely overmatched and intimidated. He's comfortable when he's holding a clipboard or handing off.

Not much doubt in my mind we win that game going away, with the TAT 5 in the game, esp after the way the D settled in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Baroclinicity's picture

I'd love to see us commit to Miller.  It's obvious we're going to have problems this year... might as well make it a learning experience.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

KenK's picture

Yep. IMO this is going to be a messy transition year, so let's go with the young talent.

Johnny Hooker: "He's not as tough as he thinks". Henry Gondorff: "Neither are we".

Estrada's picture

My thoughts exactly.  Get him some good experience, and the kid will improve as the year goes on (and hopefully beat that ugly team up north) and be ready for next year.

dharmabuckeye's picture

I hope we go to a bowl, any bowl

JakeBuckeye's picture

Luke Fickell tonight pretty much looked like what I would look like if I were to go out and start as an NFL QB tomorrow. The difference is I shouldn't be an NFL QB, while Luke Fickell is the head coach of The Ohio State University's football team. He shouldn't be.

cronimi's picture

Can't agree more, Jake. At the end, Fick just gave up. I thought this guy never gave up? That's the lore, at least. He may one day make a good HC, but getting the reins to the Buckeyes at this time appears to be too much for him.

Buckeye in Athens's picture

Yeah, I'm trying to avoid being too hard on him, but why didn't you at least use the time outs? It just doesn't make sense to me. 

OSUNeedles's picture

My wife was yelling at him to call timeout after 3rd down... That is a bad sign when my wife hasn't given up on a game & the coach has...

Buckeye in Athens's picture

He is going to (rightfully) be drilled in his presser this week. Also, does youir wife need a coaching job? Maybe as an O-coordinator or QB coach? 

acBuckeye's picture

I was yelling for a TO as well after 3rd down, w/ my wife patiently allowing me to vent. I'm pulling hard for Fickell to succeed, but will absolutely NOT put up with having a team come out flat....... AGAIN, for the second week in a row!!! AND will not put up with bad in-game decisions like not calling timeout. Did anyone else notice that when the cameras showed him, he looked completely dazed/lost, with his arms folded?? And then a light went off and he was like, "Oh yeah!! We hold them to a FG here and we still have a chance!!" And then he STILL didn't call the TO!! DON'T UNDERSTAND!!

vegas_buckeye's picture

agreed.  Unfortunately, Luke Fickell has no head coaching experience, and it has to be an incredibly difficult job to cut your chops at a top tier D1 school - all the while learning on the job.

I like Fick - he's a fantastic DC - one I will always be proud to see on the sidelines wearing Scarlet and Gray - but he's not ready to be the HC at a school like Ohio State... yet.  This would not be a place where I'd want to come and cut my chops.

i live in las vegas.  it's hot here.  i think it rained once.

Nappy's picture

That was hard to watch. Hopefully Fick realizes Braxton just needs to endure some growing pains and it's better to do that sooner than later.  WR's had some drops as well.  Was there even a completion to a WR?  I cant even say Im mad.  Just extremely shocked at how bad The Baus is. 

Fan of bacon since 1981

BuckeyeChief's picture

The Thing is WE KNEW Baus would be that bad. No suprise. Fick is not the answer.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Nappy's picture

I kinda figured he woudnt be great, but this is on a whole new level of suck

Fan of bacon since 1981

M Man's picture

Yeah, that was my thought too; the End of the Bauserman Era.  I won't say the End of the Fickell Era;  Lloyd Carr went 9-4 and 5-3 in conference in his first year and managed to get another contract.

Anyway, I thought Jordan Hall looked great.  Maybe the best non-dilithium powered RB I have seen in the conference.

I wonder about technical training issues; were there four Buckeyes with cramps?  If I saw four on tv, I wonder how badly gassed some of the other guys were without being visibly cramped.  Perhaps it is an environmental thing that just can't be acclimated to over one weekend.

SilverBullets's picture

The thing with our coaching situation is if Meyer is actually available, Smith has to explore that option (especially with Fick's inexperience).  Carr's situation is a little before my time so maybe you can enlighten me to the similarities?

M Man's picture

Sure.  In fact, the only reason I mention Carr, is that when the Buckeye faithful were feeling grim in the wake of Tressel's resignation, I reminded them that Lloyd Carr entered the head coach's office in Schembechler Hall at almost exactly the same time of year (an April, I think) under semi-similar circumstances (the forced resignation of Gary Moeller after a truly silly drunken and disorderly incident at a suburban Detroit restaurant which didn't even result in a ticket).

Carr was named the "Interim" Head Football Coach, and Schembechler, who had been out of town when the Moeller incident blew up, was massively pissed off.  Carr then nearly lost his first game, a home opener with Virginia.

But everything turned out okay for Lloyd Carr.  And I mentioned that story as a cautionary tale for my Columbus friends who were discouraged in the aftermath of Coach Tressel's resignation.

There are some differences.  Carr was a pretty experienced coordinator, and he had been offered the DC job at Notre Dame (by Holtz, with a promise that he'd be recommended and put in line for HC) and had been interviewed for the HC job at Wisconsin, that went to Alvarez.

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions about Fickell if I were you.  But you gotta get a QB settled in.  Honestly; all of you guys know your personnel better than I ever will.  But I really thought at one time that Guiton would be the leading candidate this year.

SilverBullets's picture

Thanks for recapping that.  Did not know about him being offered by Holtz.

I think alot of people expected Guiton to be more in the mix, but it looks like he's going to have a similar path to Henton (lots of promise, no playing time).  

Ok well hopefully not the exact same career route.....

Nappy's picture

Bauserman adds nothing to better our chances of winning.  If he starts another game I'll have to question Fick's sanity on top of his coaching ability.  Im not ready to give up on Fick but Im not sure he's ready to be a HC on this level yet.

Fan of bacon since 1981

Buckeye Chuck's picture

TNope, no passes complete to a WR, nor any to Stoneburner.

Let's see: we were unprepared to not have Pryor this season, we're missing too many players on offense, the offensive assistants are Tressel legacies who have been exposed as unqualified now that they don't have The Senator to cover for them any more, special teams have continued their slow decline over the last few years...heard enough?

The only positive is that now with the first loss in the books, Fickell will hopefully not be coaching not to lose so much in the next 10 weeks. Might as well take every possible lump now and get ready for 2012.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

NorCal Buckeye's picture

Chuck, my thoughts exactly; the offensive staff needs to roll on.  Time to clean house on that side of the ball, especially at QB development.  As bad as Baus played and and confused and sloppy as Brax played (i.e. fumbles, no WR completions) I really really really wished we'd offered Tajh Boyd a chance to play QB instead of telling him no chance at that position.  We always seem marginal at QB and waste highly touted recruits (except for T Smith, though he had a great supporting cast).

Boy that was painful to watch....

BuckeyeChief's picture

I really really really wished we'd offered Tajh Boyd a chance to play QB instead of telling him no chance at that position

 

Where the F did you hear that? He was a done deal, according to Ken Gordon...

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

acBuckeye's picture

Dude, the recruiting isn't the problem. You forget that Pryor was supposed to be starting as a senior this year, with Brax waiting in the wings. If things go according to plan (aka, the craziest, most unforseen offseason in OSU history) we blow out that Miami team, and are in the top 5 right now.

The program went through massive turmoil. We'll recover and be fine. But i'm not sure Fickell did himself any favors tonight, with the offensive ineptitude and both the O and D not looking ready to play in the first 10 mins.

argyle182021's picture

If all that crazy stuff doesn't happen, Braxton red shirts and spends a whole year learning the offense and the playbook to come in next year as the main guy and Bauserman never sees the field except to hand it off in mop up duty.  I think Braxton is going to be damn good.  He throws a good looking ball.  It's just unfortunate it had to play out this way.  

 

We have tons of talented recruits.  I'm just concerned if we don't figure out how to maximize production with what we have now, we might take a hit on recruiting in the future.  Fortunately Ohio is one of the top producing states in the country - we need to build the fence taller and stronger to keep them from going out of state. 

Bucks's picture

Not going to have much to say tonight but please all, keep it civil as stated above. The QB issue was incredibly problematic. Receivers dropping passes were incredibly problematic. Secondary coverage was sketchy.

The O-Line deserves praise. The D-line shored up and deserves a bit less praise (but still praise).

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I personally believe the Dual QB crushed us more than anything else. We can all debate about QB's but my god, Braxton moves the ball more. I'd rather lose with him as a starter then witness goofy play by Bauserman like tonight.

btalbert25's picture

Miller should take EVERY snap the rest of the season.  He had a pick, but it was kind of a bad luck pick, but he completed 2 passes in a row to end the game.  He actually moves the ball forward.  I also think it's fair to say the interim tag should be reapplied to the coach. 

 

BuckeyeChief's picture

I'm sorry, but this was a horrible display of coaching, and Baus may be a swell dude, but he has no buisiness of ever putting on a Buckeye jersey again. This is gonna be a long, horrible season, and Fick needs to be canned.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

MFA Buckeye's picture

Braxton Miller must start the rest of the season.

Kansas City Buckeye's picture

It was a disappointing game. But until we go 6-6, its no worse than the 1999 season. I survived that season.

blazers34's picture

luke quit.  we didnt really have a chance to win at that point, but he quit.  players know it, fans know it.  just sucks and is unacceptable.

and baus??  really?  TAKE HIM OUT AND LEAVE HIM OUT!!!  I can deal with freshman fumbles. 

Buckeyejason's picture

You know what I don't even blame Fickell..he was thrown into this flaming pile of shit of players getting suspended etc. and everyone thought we'd still be invinsible.

Reality has kicked in.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Nappy's picture

Also, as much as I want to see Fick succeed, Ohio State is not a place where you learn to become a successful head coach.  

Fan of bacon since 1981

SilverBullets's picture

This.  I'm interested to see how Muschamp works out at Florida.  Although Texas has been grooming him for head coaching the last 6 years or so

cal3713's picture

Seriously, I know we all want to grow with Miller, but jesus, the guy drops the ball or throws an interception every time he gets an opportunity.  Seriously, what percentage of the offensive series he's been in have one of these two happened?

Matt's picture

It doesn't matter.  This season is lost, this isn't a big ten title contending team.  so you get braxton as many touches as possible.  you get him ready for the michigan game, because that is all that is left for us this season.  the michigan game, and building for the future.  if fick can't see that, he still delusionally thinks he has a shot at keeping this HC job. He does not.

cronimi's picture

Exactly. Baus is not the future of the team because he's gone after this year. Whether Fick is head coach next year (ha ha) or not, it is time to prepare for the future. Give Braxton the snaps so he can learn when there are no real consequences.

KenK's picture

Those are good points, but Baus didn't distinguish himself tonight.

Johnny Hooker: "He's not as tough as he thinks". Henry Gondorff: "Neither are we".

acBuckeye's picture

Doesn't matter. I'd rather lose with Braxton taking his lumps now, than to see Baus take another sack, or lob another shot-put into the third row. He is COMPLETELY over-whelmed and overmatched out there. The next two years, esp if Braxton keeps getting snaps, OSU will be loaded and national title contenders with all the young talent they have. Who the coach will be is the only question.

MFA Buckeye's picture

I think leave in Miller, Hall/Berry and Boren and run Navy's playbook.

Irricoir's picture

I support our guys. I love my team. Right now I am utterly disappointed and not optimistic toward the rest of the season. I will continue to root and cheer but I am honestly a shell of the man I was before watching this puke of a contest.  Let's take our lumps with Braxton. Joe is not the answer. I appreciate the hard work our kids put in but obviously there is something very important missing in the whole equation. I think the audition may be over, and to Fickel's credit, we do have a very young team. Some very questionable decisions on his part but I will let others call that out because I don't think I coan handle being trolled with out suffering the ban-hammer. I. AM. Angry. Bro. Great effort tonight on Hall's part. I have so much bile and hatered inside right now and I can't think of anything else constructive or positive to say.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Sgt. Elias's picture

I agree, and why is the ban-hammer looming? As long as the comments are normal RAEG!!1!, no banning needed. This is not acceptable tOSU effort, and I AM taking into account the qb situation and inept receiving. This is failure at the executive level. Bollman has to go, and Baus can't see another down. Fickell's seat is on fire, wish he had a better hand to play but he seems in over his head no matter how you cut it. Sigh...

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

Bucks's picture

I don't think Jason's statement of a banhammer was misleading, but also understand that there are comments not seen by people chatting during a liveblog session. With the first loss & the fashion in which it was dealt, I think he is just getting across to not degrade into things we all know aren't appropriate.

shortbuck's picture

While at work tonight I followed the game on an internet tracker and read the live blog.

Just looking at the box score I have 3 thoughts.

1. Joe B. set his position backwards by 5 decades.  13 freaking yards!!! My sister in Wisconsin was not only laughing but placing her "W" on the schedule next to OHIO STATE!!

2.  If this is the year we are hit with a bowl ban, it may not be a bad thing.  Play the frosh QB and cut bait with Bauserman.  6-6 maybe with him.

3.  Miami was not that good.  I hope the suspended players look at those free tats every day with regret.

 

If you'll excuse me I have a date with a ledge!!!

cal3713's picture

Yeah, I'm pretty pissed at Tressel and the Tat-5 for making us go through this shit.  All of these freshmen who barely know how to play would have been so much better in 2012-13 as Sophs and Red-shirts...

RadValtar's picture

This reminds me of the USC game 3 years ago when Boeckman had a bad game and Pryor started the rest of the season.  The funny thing is Bauserman isnt even close to Boeckman so it seems like a pretty easy decision to go with Miller the rest of the year.  Yes there will be growing pains but he has to go through them at some point so it might as well be now.

NorCal Buckeye's picture

You're right, I had the same feeling as that game except USC.  What makes it worse is Miami isn't nearly as good as USC was that game.  It's tough watching our team come out flat against non-conference competition.  And I wasn't even referring to Toledo....

:)

buckeyechad's picture

So if we get a one year bowl ban would we be able to use it on a season we dont make a bowl?

buckeyedude's picture

I think that is an excellent question. Cause the way things are going, OSU may not make a bowl this year.

 

 

btalbert25's picture

This team had a starting QB who had no business in the game and a coach who has no business coaching at this level at this point in his career.  Both were in way over their head, and it showed.  I know it was futile, but take some time outs those last couple of minutes when Miami is inside the 10.  I give the D some credit, they almost held down the fort, but they weren't even given a chance. 

He does realize you can't save the timeouts up for next week right? 

acBuckeye's picture

EXACTLY what i said. "Fickell, you can't carry those over to next week, bro!!" I'm DAMN proud of how the D bounced back after the slow unprepared start. Yeah Lamar Miller got a lot of yards, but he took a beating, and the D just wore out b/c they were on the field so long. Those guys fought hard..... now, if Christian Bryant had a pair of hands, along with the entire receiving corps, and if Clarke knew how to judge a ball in the air..... (sigh)

Roger's picture

We knew Bauserman was not going to be explosive at quarterback, but he's also not showing himself to be a game manager, so it probably make sense to start investing in the future (Miller).

Our offense looked scarily like Nebraska's offense last year.

cal3713's picture

I have now reappraised this as one of those teams where you just hope they win the last five games of the year.  Learn, grow, and finish strong.  I guess player & team development is really all we've got here...

O-H Kee Pa's picture

Amazingly, there will still be people who will say, "We're still in it in the BIG!" Go 8-4 or 7-5, beat Michigan, go to the Alamo Bowl or a comparable bowl, give the young pups a ton of experience, and officially begin a new era in 2012 with a new coach. Worst things have happened to OSU football.

Tommy's picture

We actually are still in the big ten race.  The schedule sets up well for us.  All we have to do is split with mich st and nebraska and we will control our our destiny to the rose bowl.  By that time, Braxton should have 3 full games under his belt and Posey, Herron and Adams will have made it through their first game back. 

The Leaders division is pretty weak this year aside from Wisc and we will get them at home.  We didn't look as bad tonight as we did at USC in '08 and that year we almost won the Fiesta. 

QB play is clouding your ability to see the positives from tonight.  The O line was actually really good for once.  The D played well enough to win the game and that was without our best pass rusher.

The biggest reason this season is not lost.. we are ridiculously young.  Between our youth and the suspensions, this is absolutely not the same team that will take the field towards the end of the year.

Menexenus's picture

My pre-season prediction was a 9-3 season.  I still think that's possible, but it's going to be tougher than I thought.  Let's face facts: we are going to lose to Wisconsin.  It sickens me to write this, but the Badgers are going to spank us hard in the Shoe.  It's going to happen, and the sooner I get used to it, the easier it will be for me to take when it happens.  Although I'm not quite as certain about it, I think that we will also probably lose to Nebraska.  But I think we still have a fighting chance against everyone else on our schedule.  If we beat all those other teams (including Michigan), we still end up 9-3 and go to the Outback Bowl (or some other pretty good non-BCS bowl).  At this point, I think that's the best we can hope for, and I don't think it's out of reach. 

I can live with 9-3.  If it gets worse than that, it will be a disappointing season indeed.

Real fans stay for Carmen.

acBuckeye's picture

Good points Tommy. With all the frustrations of the loss, its easy to forget the positives from tonight.

--Hall looked damn good, and could've scored on the punt return had he not cut back and ran into his blocker.

--The O-line played very well..... i mean, as good as they could with a one-dimensional offense.

--The defense settled down, and kept us in the game.... played well enough to win.

-- Effing Basil finally made two FG's. We will need him at some point this year and its good to get his confidence up, even if they were chip shots.

--Hyde was pretty solid, fighting for every inch he could get.

--and Miller, although confused, and sloppy with the ball (seriously, what would u expect from a true freshman), showed he can make plays and throws a beautiful spiral, unlike Baus's decapitated ducks.

-- and Sabino has been the real deal, minus a few missed tackles.

O-H Kee Pa's picture

MSU, Nebraska, Illinois, and Wisconsin are all toss ups. We will not be representing the Leaders in the BIG championship game.

Side note: Nessler and co. didn't beat suspensions, violations, and the state of the NCAA to death tonight.

Menexenus's picture

Good point.  They really didn't beat that topic into the ground like I thought they would.

Real fans stay for Carmen.

cal3713's picture

I thought they could have hit on it once at the end of the game... "And this folks, is what a team that's decimated by NCAA sanctions looks like."

toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

Bauserman couldn't move the ball down the street tonight. He winds up to throw like he's on the pitcher's mound! That's baseball throwing technique, Joe, not football. Miller is not the answer, either. You fans who think he's the next Pryor right now better quit looking at his game film from high school. He was so bad tonight that Fickell couldn't trust him, either. That botched handoff to Hall (or was it Berry?) sealed his fate for the night. He's a freshman in college learning the ropes. Maybe next year for him, not now. Just one ugly and horrible game on offense with little hope of the offense getting as good as it was last year.

The defense played too many minutes on a hot night, but they were great in doing it overall.  They tired at the end, and that's how the 'Canes got their last TD. It's also too bad the defense played the opening 7 minutes of the game like they did last year in Wisconsin. That put the horrible offense in a tough spot right from that point.

Thanks for messing up our season, Pryor and your tat friends.

acBuckeye's picture

Baus is not the answer, you are correct. However, Miller WILL be the answer, and WILL be BETTER than Pryor. He throws a great ball, although tonight, yes he was confused and out of his element. But how can you say he wont be good by watching him for what amounts to one full game?? And what the hell do u expect from a true freshman playing on the road on national TV against a fast defense? There's a reason why every program wanted this kid, and we were fortunate we got him. He's goin to mess up this year..... its what young freshmen do.... they mess up. But he is our future at QB, so you better get on the bandwagon.

toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

I'll reluctantly get on his bandwagon, mostly because I have no choice but to do it. His two completions came at the end of the game when Miami could care less about playing defense. I call them garbage yards. Might as well start Miller against Colorado and let the chips fall where they may. Let him learn on the job, get his on-the-job training to be the QB for next year. This looks like a lost season -- like 7-5 or 8-4 -- unless Miller turns into the next Pryor (the junior year version of Terrelle, not the freshman year one). He will have to do that quickly. Bauserman should be holding the clipboard for the rest of the season. No matter how the season progresses or regresses, Ohio State still must beat those fools from that town up north of me. By the way, I don't subscribe to the BS coming from recruiting services or other yahoos on Buckeye football sites who play know-it-all games with the fans. How does Boise State keep winning every year with 3-star recruits? Look at Wisconsin, another school that is mostly 3-star recruits. We have 4 and 5-star guys who don't develop into the players we need to win NCs.

thedecline19's picture

Luke, I wanted you to succeed, but it's not happening. You are at least partially responsible for the most embarrassing OSU game since the NC Game against Florida. Even during "Purdue Harbor" the guys made an effort. This game included zero effort, zero inventive strategy and zero respectable coaching decisions. You'll be a decent head coach one day, but which MAC school it will be at is yet to be determined.

cal3713's picture

I don't agree with this, the defense did put forth a lot of effort. 

thedecline19's picture

I agree the defense did put forth an effort, however he's a head man now.  He's got to get some of the blame for the lethargic effort on the other side of the ball.

BuckeyeCrew's picture

Just my opinion, but I think the D was absolutely incredible, given how long they were on the field, and what they were facing.  As awful as Jacory is with decisions, his O-line was fantastic, and the RB is a future NFL player.  How many times did our D come up with a 3rd down stop? A short yardage stop? A turnover? 

Our D was about as opposite in capability to our QB play, as one could imagine.

acBuckeye's picture

+1,000,000 for this

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

I feel for Luke being thrust into this position because it isn't going to get any easier.

With that said...can we please start pushing for Urban Meyer?  The dude can flat out win.

poguemahone's picture

Basketball

BIG TEN CHAMPZ?

Menexenus's picture

+200  :-)

Real fans stay for Carmen.

BuckeyeChief's picture

Damn, anyone see the Navy-S Carolina score?

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

SilverBullets's picture

Yea.  Navy gave them a hell of a game.  Sound familiar?

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

Viva La Zwick after what I saw tonight.

Roger's picture

People calling for Fickells head are being a bit ridiculous. The cupboard is pretty bare right now, and it would have been with Tressel at the helm too.

Could Tress have pulled out an extra win or two this year? Maybe. But that's the difference between a first-year coach and one of the all time winningest coaches in college football history.

Denny's picture

I don't think it's unreasonable; he totally gave up at the end. Sure - he'll get better, but it's damn near impossible to coach a game worse than he did today.

Taquitos.

Tommy's picture

I was ready to move on to next week with Fickell as coach and Braxton as QB until coach swallows his timeouts with 2 min left.

We all knew it was a longshot, but you just can't give up on a 2 possession game without using all your timeouts.  I'm with you, that was unacceptable.

BuckeyeChief's picture

The cupboard being bare has nothing to do with poor game management or shitty (and I do mean shitty) QB play.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Sgt. Elias's picture

It was the in game mgmt that was non-existant. Bollman is terrible, Tress carried his water his entire big-boy career. Fickell seems lost. Can Kenny-G suck that bad? I guess we'll never know.

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

Irricoir's picture

Dude, you sound like a Michigan fan right now. The cupboard is not bare. The entitled @ss holes that broke rules are not available and the biggest @ss hole (excluding Tressel from the @-hole comment but he is accountable as well) that we all put our chips on is earning money in the NFL. It all starts with a great QB. Without one of those, every team will be average (Maybe above average at best) regardless of the talent elsewhere on the team. Krenzel wasn't fantastic but he made plays against a better Miami team in 2003. Stoneburner dropped a touchdown that he should have caught, Verlon had multiple drops tonight as well. Even with those passes caught, B's performance was deplorable. Would those passes have given him confidence? I could care less? I hope to not see him in another game.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

acBuckeye's picture

I agree with everything exept Stoney. That ball was about 2 feet behind him after Baus DERPED one sidearm in there. He honestly had no shot at catching that ball b/c his momentum was taking him away from the ball and to the open spot.

argyle182021's picture

I don't agree about the cupboard being bare.  We still have tons of talent - just not experienced offensive playmakers with Herron and Posey riding pine right now.  I thought Hall looked good tonight, but rushing yds will be tough to come by if we can't show some competence with throwing the football.  So I think everything comes down to our QB play.  Bauserman can't do anything except hand it off or throw it into the stands.  We had ZERO first downs in the 3rd quarter.  Miller will make freshman mistakes like INTs and fumbles but at least he can move the chains and he already throws a better looking ball than Baus (or even TPeezy?).  He is the future and he has to be the one in the game.  I think if you let him get into the groove of the game he won't be as jittery and won't make the mental mistake fumbles in the backfield.  Hopefully he's learning he has to tuck the ball while running or someone stronger than him is going to punch it out.  

The D is tough.  They gave up a ton of rush yds but they were on the field pretty much the entire game.  And as much as we talk about our high hopes for Curtis Grant, I can't wait to see how Shazier develops.  He forced a fumble (that unfortunately we didn't recover) in one of his few (only?) plays he was in.  And if we had snagged that third INT from Jacory it would've been 17-13/14 with 6min left and a totally different ballgame.

I'm excited for the future.  With all the true and RS frosh we're playing, in a couple of years those guys are going to have a TON of experience.  But we're going to suck this year.

buckeyedude's picture

"The cupboard is pretty bare"

Are you serious, Roger? This Ohio State team is loaded with 4 and 5* players. I think the consensus is that Bauserman is not in the right league. Braxton is going to make mistakes. Better he make and learn from them this year, than next. QB play is the biggest difference between this year and last.

It makes absolutely NO SENSE to allow Bauserman to start. Hand it over to Braxton and come what may.  If Luke thinks playing it safe is going to allow him to keep his job, he is going to be very disappointed.  A coach has to be willing to make bold decisions. Did General Patton play it safe? I don't think so.

What's most important for Luke and the Buckeyes is how they respond to this loss.

 

 

Denny's picture

We've been really spoiled in that we haven't had to awtch anything that awful in a long, long time.

That was awful.

Taquitos.

BuckeyeChief's picture

That game has me quitting my diet and scarfing down candy corn.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

original buckeye's picture

Fickell showed tonight that he doesnt have what it takes. If he thinks Joe B is the best option, he knows nothing about football. Luke was totally outcoached tonight and if Gene Smith were smart, he'd be on the phone with potential coaches tomorrow morning.

Still can't believe Luke is that bad, but he is. I'd have more respect for him if he resigned.

NorCal Buckeye's picture

+1.  Especially on Gene calling potential coaches. (sorry Luke)  We need a coach that has giant balls who can bring our team into the 21st century.  When the punt is your best play....

Buckrific's picture

Wow.  My eyes are still burning.  I can't even type.

Colin's picture

I'm glad I wasn't online during the game to see how pissed off everyone is/was/will be forever, I don't think I could take it. This might be the most baffling coaching/offensive display I've ever witnessed. I'm actually at such a loss that I'm not even mad anymore. I'm honestly excited now to hear the backlash that will surely happen...because it is deserved.

For some reason I thought that apart from that long run at the beginning our defense played as well as they possibly could giving the situation...being on the field the entire game. I wouldn't think they gave up so many yards on the ground.

With all that said, I'm glad Bauserman was this bad on such a big stage, because now the coaches have no excuses for letting him see another snap this season.

I also think we can still have a good team if we stick with Miller, once we get the tat guys back I truly believe our offense will be strong. Our special teams were a pleasant surprise, and our defense was still stout...just winded.

Yamosu's picture

If I say, bauserman sucks, is that going to get me band? And how much of this am I allowed to blame on my girlfriend. We started dating a week after the sugar bowl. Since then crap storm.

BuckeyeChief's picture

HA! I saw my sister in law today. That always equals a loss (IN ALL SPORTS!).

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

Over/under 7 wins this season?

BuckeyeChief's picture

Under.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

ih8rolltyde's picture

Crazy. Over all day. Hit me up for that action.

****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in.  FACT

original buckeye's picture

Under. At this rate, we'll lose to Illinois, UM, Nebraska, Wisconsin, and one of PSU and MSU.

Menexenus's picture

No way, dude.  We definitely lose to Wisky and probably Brasky, too.  But I still think we can beat Illinois, PSU, and especially TSUN.  I think Sparty is the one game that is a complete coin flip.  I'm glad we have them at home this year...

Real fans stay for Carmen.

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

I think once Posey, Adams, and Herron get back, the offense will open up more.

 

I'm going with over.

Sgt. Elias's picture

Somebody has to throw to those guys though...

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

Buckeye Chuck's picture

I've been saying 6-6 for months. I may have been optimistic.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

ohiowhitesnake's picture

Bauserman=Boekman!

 

Luke isn't ready to be a head coach! i'm sorry but that was absolutely pitiful!

 

BuckeyeChief's picture

At least Todd could play if he had a line.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

OSUNeedles's picture

Oh no sir!... Baus isn't close to Boekman... I would cut off my left pinky to have Boek compared to Baus... Well, I would cut off somebody's pinky. Maybe not mine...

blazers34's picture

bauserman couldnt hold boeckmans jock

 

SilverBullets's picture

I can't believe we're now defending Todd Boeckman.  I've seen it all.

BuckeyeChief's picture

I choked on my candy corn laughing.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Sgt. Elias's picture

The irony is that the o-line we have now could prbly give Boeckman enough time to throw. Ha!

/slaps self, remembers we have no receivers either. These youngsters need to grow up really really fast.

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

SilverBullets's picture

Agreed.  Have to say you can't help but be impressed with their performance tonight.  And you have to think it'll only get better with Adams back.

Menexenus's picture

There were definitely some bright spots tonight (although it's hard to acknowledge them right now).  Aside from the first few possessions, the defense was stellar tonight.  Jordan Hall did a fantastic job running the ball (although I was baffled by his fair catch decisions on punt returns in the second half).  Carlos Hyde was good, although not great.  And like you guys said, the O-line really wasn't all that bad.  Baus and Miller both had time, they just couldn't do anything productive with it.  Now the good O-line play we saw tonight may be a result of playing against a quick ACC defensive front.  That may change when the O-line is facing a bigger, stronger Big Ten defensive front, but I think there are definitely some positives to keep in mind as we look to the rest of the season.

Real fans stay for Carmen.

buckeyedude's picture

I agree. The object, I believe, is if you are a receiver, YOU SHOULD CATCH THE FRIGGIN BALL! Gosh, where's Dane?

 

 

madhatterhater's picture

That is an insult to Boekman!

go bucks

btalbert25's picture

It bugs me that people think Fickell was just tossed into this position.  He decided to take the job knowing what it meant.  I'm not saying hire Urban Meyer or go after him, I'm just saying while watching the Akron game he said, this kid was the best player in the nation last year, he needs to be playing every snap right now.  He said it because a) he knows Miller is going to be awesome down the road and b) Bauserman is terrible.  Bauserman throws a horrible ball, it wobbles all over the place, He's not accurate either, and he can't move.  

Braxton may have some issues he'll have to work out on the fly, but he throws a better ball.  He can get the ball within 5 yards of the reciever at least, and he can keep the chains moving. Is he going to be TP?  Nope, but he ain't gonna be Bauserman either. 

original buckeye's picture

Bauserman also panics and takes a sack or throws the ball away at the first sign of pressure. He is worse than Boeckman at handling pressure.

btalbert25's picture

He and Boeckman are not even on the same playing field.  I honestly don't think Bauserman is good enough to play for Akron.  Boeckman had moments where he looked pretty darn good. 

We'll  never see that from Bauserman

cal3713's picture

Boeckman was a non-elite quarterback who could manage the game and complete the passes that he should.  He just couldn't be the guy who made things happen.  Unfortunately, it apperas that Bauserman's only quality is that he will not thow an interception or fumble.  Unless he's playing Akron, then he looks like Boeckman.

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

Did OSU even have 20 yards passing?

SilverBullets's picture

Anyone else secretly looking forward to the QB Ineptitude Bowl against Penn State?  Although I would hope by then Braxton is firmly entrenched and performing well.

MFA Buckeye's picture

I look forward to every game.

Marshall's picture

My heart aches over this stuff, but I've decided I need to unhook.  How many alumni/fans get to enjoy a decade like the last 10 years?  Very, VERY few.  And a degree from Ohio State actually means something!  Bonus!

But my 5 cent observation is that Jim Tressel was a lot of things:  winner, Michigan dominator, good recruiter, great talent evaluator, sometimes overly conservative, reluctant to step on a losing opponent's throat.  But one thing you never heard about was how he was an absolutely phenomenal QB coach.  He had Krenzel winning a national title.  He had Troy Smith (3 star recruit?) winning a Heisman.  He had Boeckmann in the national title game.  I think tonight's showing exposes what we're going to miss on the field without Tress running the show in practice.

It was fun at the time for Coach Fickell to hire Vrabel.  But has anybody else noticed how much experience or resume the current QB coaching staff has?  At a team that was this dominant for this long, to have such a pedestrian staff coaching such a critical position seems like a really bizarre decision.

Also, I think Coach Fickell just flat forgot about the time-outs at the end of the game...inexperience.

Again, I'm not going to whine and cry.  It was a great ride.  My scUM fan brother is euphoric right now.  He will never be able to take scores like 42-7 away from me.  Or 9*-1*.  Go Bucks!

Crafty and Sully are going to be sweet this year!

Marshall
2002 graduate of The Ohio State University
National champs.  Coincidence?

zander999's picture

Totally agree on this.  The offensive coaching (sans Tressell) is the root cause of this debacle.  In the long run, this exposure will be good because now we can get a high profile offensive coordinator who will take that side of the ball to the same level we have come to expect on the defense.  If that happens, this team will be good next year and a national contender in 2013. 

cal3713's picture

But my 5 cent observation is that Jim Tressel was a lot of things:  winner, Michigan dominator, good recruiter, great talent evaluator, sometimes overly conservative, reluctant to step on a losing opponent's throat.  But one thing you never heard about was how he was an absolutely phenomenal QB coach.  He had Krenzel winning a national title.  He had Troy Smith (3 star recruit?) winning a Heisman.  He had Boeckmann in the national title game.  I think tonight's showing exposes what we're going to miss on the field without Tress running the show in practice.

~~~~~

These are really great points.

Defend Youngstown's picture

*sobs uncontrollably in the shower, clothes still on*

BoFuquel's picture

We survived 1966, we'll survive this.GO BUCKS!

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

Matt's picture

Top 5 Worst OSU football viewing experiences of past 10 years:

1)  OSU - Florida 2007 -- not even close in my mind.  the ultimate in OSU butt hurt.

2) Purdue Harbor 2009 -- we had no business losing this game.  none at all.

3) OSU - USC 2008 -- almost as helpless of a feeling as the Florida game, but not unexpected without Beanie.

4) USC-OSU 2009 -- i was at this game.  this was before we threw off the 'can't win the big one' in the rose bowl.  tore my heart out with the final drive.

5) OSU - Miami 2011  -- i expected a loss.  did not expect us to be so very awful.  and for fick to look like a lost child.

Buckeye in Athens's picture

This seems a like an accurate list. 

Yamosu's picture

98 msu upset. Cost us national title.

MFA Buckeye's picture

List of the last 10 years, but that one was indeed devastating. On my list for sure.

Denny's picture

'Of the past ten years'

Taquitos.

Yamosu's picture

Sorry, I just watched bauserman for 3 hours. It's hard to read with my eyes bleeding.

SilverBullets's picture

Good list although I'd jump USC 08 above Purdue Harbor.  I think the 05 Penn State/Texas games as a combo make the list with as good as that team (esp. Defense) was.

Blake's picture

Yeah pretty solid. The loss to Texas in the 'shoe in 05 also burned me very hard. Mainly because that OSU team was wicked and that game was there for the taking before the Limas Sweed TD. The Zwick fumble on the final drive just further drove the stake through the heart. I know Texas was a great team but I still felt numb after that game.

Marshall's picture

Not to belabor it, but reading posts from others, I don't think the QB situation improves much without improvement in the QB coaching situation.

I heart tOSU.  Go Bucks!  Hurts to speak unfaithfully.

Marshall
2002 graduate of The Ohio State University
National champs.  Coincidence?

Rfahncke's picture

I would much rather watch a freshman learn on the job, than watch a senior be lost on the job.  I can also take a 3 or 4 loss season if its with a freshman QB, but a with a senior is flat out insanity. The two turnovers Brax had tonight are silly, but at least he has the ability to think and make a play.  Baus is a day late, dollar short, and concrete quick.  His decision making is non-existant.  Throwing it away is a good play for him while  those same plays are 3 to 15 yd gains for Miller because of his feet.  Also the defense can overcome mistakes like 35 yard interceptions or fumbles on the opposite side of the field, but we cant overcome not moving the ball. 

Gotta hand it to the Defense for sucking it up after getting punched in the mouth.  They gave us every chance to win the game tonight after the first 8 minutes.  No excuse for not giving them some more support.   

 

"Have you earned your buckeye today?"

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

36 net yards passing!

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yamosu's picture

Does bellisari or Stanley Jackson have any eligibility left?

Two Bucks's picture

Why not give the kid a shot. It's impossible to do worse.

Defend Youngstown's picture

Just run the wildcat with Jordan Hall for the rest of the year.

Menexenus's picture

I second the motion!

Real fans stay for Carmen.

Rooster Buckburn's picture

I can't think of worse QB performance in my years of being a Buckeye fan.  Maybe Bellesari, Moherman are two that come to mind maybe??

Yamosu's picture

2001 ucla game. Bellesari goes 5-23 with two interceptions for 45 yards. So three times as many non garbage yards, but twice as many interceptions...

acBuckeye's picture

How quickly we forget Troy "In-N-Out" Smith against Florida. Remember that suckfest??

NCBuck1's picture

How much of this game can we blame on Fick? What about Bollman? While I agree that Miller not seeing the field and giving up at the end is totally on his shoulders, the offensive play calling is about the worst I've ever seen. When your qb(s) are struggling, you give them some easy throws. What about the flare we tried once or a simple stop route to the receivers? Our o-line played great tonight and the running game was on. But Bollman just could not figure that out. If anyone gets fired for tonight pukefest, it needs to be Bollman. Anyway, let's hope we've seen the end of the baus. My vote is for Miller for the rest of the season. I'd rather see aggressive mistakes by the qb rather than the pitcher who was desperately trying to balk on the mound. Excuse me while I get sick again.

Buckeye Black's picture

HIRE A NEW OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!  FICKELL WHY THE FUCK DID YOU QUIT TWO MINUTES LEFT...... We should never quite even if we're down 40.

Marshall's picture

Who better than Ramzy to explain it:

http://twitter.com/#!/ramzyn/status/115243362256289792

Marshall
2002 graduate of The Ohio State University
National champs.  Coincidence?

poop's picture

Never understood that hire. Can't Ohio State do better than that?

Buckeyeholicwompa's picture

I would have to say that for the rest of the season, if someone on the coaching staff doesn't step up and get the offense in order, then this is gonna be one long season. Its pretty obvious that Fickell doesn't have a lot to say on what the offense is running or their game plan. Tressel and Bollman were the offensive master minds all this time and now the one pretty much in charge of the offense now is probably Bollman. Not that I know anything but based on how things are going in the game, it seems that way.

 

Fickell is going to have to take the initiative as the head coach of this team and turn the offense around. He's obviously a defensve guy but somehow with the help of Bollman and other coaches input, they're going to have to get it together. 

Johnny Ginter's picture

this site probably just got one hell of a bump in traffic tonight: http://www.firefickell.com/

blazers34's picture

lol, did you go to that site?  wow, some crazy comments

Johnny Ginter's picture

i'm not in favor of firing fickell right this second, but i'll be honest; this staff is donezo. that was a horrible, awful performance on offense in every possible way except jordan hall and pretty much any negative comment people want to make about that performance is 100% true.

blazers34's picture

agree with ya there, i said as much in a comment above.  that site brought out some crazies is all i meant.

Buckeye in Athens's picture

Re: Kenny G - The thing with Kenny is that he has a ceiling athletically. With Miller, we at least know that with development and experience that he can become great. I'm not saying that Kenny would be awful - he could be much better than we think - but I do think Miller is the long-term answer. I think sitting Miller hurts his development and cripples us in 2012. 

Jim's picture

The bad news is that Miami is not a terribly good team.  The good news is that neither is most of the B1G.  I thought your D never gave up and didn't play badly at all.  As for your offense, good luck without a QB. Most freshman QB's suck and make mistakes.  Fact of life.

danthomp78's picture

and the phrase "shock the world" now finally makes sense....

 

Irricoir's picture

Irricoir on 10 September 2011 - 7:23pm #

 If we don't start Berry and Miller against Miami, we lose that game. Btw, I called the offense to score 28 points (against Toledo). I knew there would be a let down today at the hands of Bauserman. We won't see Miller again this year unless we are up big or are desperate and that is just not a fair situation to throw him in to. Start him against Miami. If we get behind by 14, go back to the guy you stuck with all day today. Give him a shot, I dislike Meyer (maybe that'll change if he sports the scarlet and grey)but even he said give him a shot. In another post I predicted we would lose by at least two scores to Miami.

 

 We are going to need that mobility this Saturday. What could it hurt to give him an honest start and see what happens. Worse case scenario we get down 14 due to takeaways, wipe the slate clean and get back those turnovers committed by Miller when J. Harris throws his, and get Bauserman to show us why he should be the starter. If Bauserman starts, we get down early and fast. We can't afford a slow start down there. If I am wrong feel free to check back with me and I will admit it with great humility and thankfulness. If I am right, well I'll be back here to chew Fickel's ass for not reading 11W and taking me seriously.

Our defense played well aside from 2 or 3 big plays against Toledo. They better sure up their assignments and tackling because Miami has more than 2 big play people and more speed on average than Toledo.
 

Now I should have said Hall as the starting Running Back but other than that, it is scary how accurate I was. Truth is I bet that a large portion of the fan base believed the same. Why couldn't Fickel see it? 

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

acBuckeye's picture

We can only wonder. I can't even begin to imagine how much pressure a HC at that level is under, esp Fickell by having to follow up the Tress era of success. I can only assume that he took the "safe" approach by starting Baus b/c of his "experience(?)". I bet if we'd have lost to Toledo, Miller would have started. Fick's almost in a no-win situation in that case. Play the guy who has way more ability, but will make a ton more mistakes..... or play the guy who started you 2-0, and knows the offense better, but has no upside and is a total stiff??

I suppose had he started Miller from day one, he could've avoided that decision. But maybe Fick wanted to let the senior who "earned(?)" his time and paid his dues have a chance b/c he felt obligated to do that. I have no idea, but i guess thats why Fick's wearing the headset (even if his arms were crossed, and eyes in a daze) and i'm on my couch.

I wanted Miller to start from day one too, but we have no idea about everything that a coach has to deal with that we the public never hear about. Decisions by coaches piss me off sometimes too, but thats when i have to swallow my tongue and trust the coach knows his team better than i do.

osukdawg76's picture

I love that our receivers didn't catch a single pass tonight.  That's really all I've got to add...

I, for one, welcome our new coaching overlords.

 

 

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

Silence the...........................doubters?

Nappy's picture

When was the last time we weren't ranked in the top 25?

Fan of bacon since 1981

Sgt. Elias's picture

Well, it's deserved at this point. Good question though, and I'm tooo runj to internet the answer. Bleh...vomit-ball at it's finest. It will be intersting to see what shakes out. How does Bollman have a job, I still can't figure that out. I've wondered for years.

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

argyle182021's picture

Nov 28, 2004

 

This is also the first road loss to an unranked non conference opponent since Pitt in 1988.  Ouch.

Nappy's picture

Thanks

Fan of bacon since 1981

btalbert25's picture

I'm still kind of surprised Hyde is getting no love.  He had some really nice runs, saved the botched snap play and wound up getting what 8 or 9?  Later in the game it looked like he was stopped at the line of scrimmage and he had an 8 yard gain out of it.  I saw at least 1 catch and ran nice after the fact.  

Hall definitely surprised me as a runner, he looks like he beefed up some since last season.  Hyde, though looked really good again tonight.  Why is he not getting any love?  Those 2 could be a GREAT 1-2 Punch

 

Blake's picture

I think Hyde was okay. Still pretty clear the guy isn't a patient runner and too often sprints right into the back of his offensive line. He did have a few good runs where he kept his feet moving....but there was clearly a massive dropoff in dyniamic play from the RB position when Hall was off the field. Hyde also blew it once when he was split out wide and they had to burn a time out because he didn't know what he was doing.

btalbert25's picture

I'm just saying, we're 3 games in and he's basically averaging right around 5 ypc.  Hall looked way better than I expected, but as I said he looks like he's bulked up.  I really think Hyde is going to be a hell of an RB for this team and no one is giving him any love at all.  Hall was 14 carries for 80+ yards, clearly he was better, but Hyde just seems to get 4 or 5 yards every time.  He struggles on the short yardage, but on the barely first down that was more on the O-Line than him. 

Sgt. Elias's picture

Hall and Hyde are fine. The gimped receiving corps and lack of any substantive QB play will screw us repeatedly. If Fick wants a job he'll need to turn the ship around 180 degrees, fast. Suddenly Colorado is not a gimme...ugh. Go away Bollman, you're not good at your jerb.

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

danthomp78's picture

the only thing that matters now is the michigan game. 

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

Michigan's secondary sucks but Bauserman sucks more.

OSU loses.

jbirmmd's picture

I am definitely inclined to agree with this sentiment.  The only thing that I can see keeping this from being one of the worst seasons in the past 30 years would be a victory in AA to end it.  I don't know how this team makes it to .500 with these QBs. 

 

cronimi's picture

There needs to be a housecleaning in Columbus, starting at the top. Tress made all of the other coaches look good, and now we see their true ability. Fire gene smith, and bring in an established head coach (e.g. urban Meyer) who will bring in or find his own people.

argyle182021's picture

I agree with need to do something about the offense.  But if we clean house we lose Heacock.  I don't think he stays if we start ejecting fools.

jbirmmd's picture

Heacock is the only coach I would want to keep. 

Sgt. Elias's picture

Heacock has to know Bollman has jumped the shark without Tress to carry his water. Right? I hope.

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

Somewhere deep in the ESPN studios...while watching the OSU/Miami game...Urban Meyer does his best Mr. Burns impersonation.

 

Exxxxxcellent!!!

jbirmmd's picture

I still don't get why everyone thinks it is some foregone conclusion that Meyer wants or is going to take the job at OSU.  He had a dynasty at Florida and walked away.  Why would he want to come to OSU after that? 

LABuckeye's picture

I agree, except there were times it sounded like he was auditioning for the job during the Akron game. I am anti-Fickell after today's fiasco, but I don't like Urban... don't think that will change, even if he becomes our head coach. 

Menexenus's picture

Did you notice that he had a picture of Woody prominently displayed in his den (for the whole world to see)?  I thought that was a nice touch.

Real fans stay for Carmen.

Jugdish's picture

We need to build for the future and that means to stick with Miller and back him up with either Guiton or Graham. Miller should get a pretty good handle on the offense by the time that the Tat 4 come back. Baus is not the future of this team and does not really give us a chance to win this year. Let's take our lumps now and let the younger talent develop.

As far as Fick, he is not ready to be a head coach. I think that he will develop into a good coach as the young players grow. He seemed to be like a deer in headlights tonight and looked lost for making correct decisions.

Those were two of the worst football teams and the game was a real stinker.

Remember to get your wolverine spade or neutered. TBDBITL

jbirmmd's picture

Ditto.

Ditto.

and Ditto! 

Couldn't agree more.  Bauserman shouldn't see the field again.  Fickell never should have been put in this position in the first place.  He should be kept on staff if he wants, but not as HC. 

Also, this year will really knock our program back.  This will probably be a lost recruiting season as well as the losses on the field  May be 5 years before we get back the level we were the last 2-3 years. 

btalbert25's picture

Dude, with the talent on this team, they could be back to that level next year.  They just need a coach who knows what to do with the talent.  Think about how many true freshman, sophomores and redshirt freshman are getting a lot of PT right now.  They are going to have so much experience coming into next year.  If this team gets a coach who knows what he's doing, they could be as good as anyone in America next year. 

argyle182021's picture

I am worried about future recruiting as well, but 5 years?  I think once Miller gets experience it shouldn't be as ugly as it was tonight.  And all the young WR will get better too.  We may lose some this year (Bri'onte Dunn?) or next, but I don't see such a huge dropoff after all our young guys get experience.

acBuckeye's picture

Jbirmmd.... are you serious right now?? Why are ppl overreacting? EARTH TO EVERYONE: AS BAD AS WE LOOKED TONIGHT, WE WERE STILL IN THE GAME!! We still have a damn good team. They are young and will take their lumps, but didn't we know that already? We'll be fine!!

mr.green's picture

 

nothing left.

 

buckeye20's picture

Bauserman looks like Clegg on Eastbound and Down.  Did you see him laughing on the sidelines?  Fickell has the John Cooper deer in the headlights look...I read his lips one time tonight and he asked his assitant in the booth..."Do you think Mrs. Howell ever banged Thurston Howell III in real life?

btalbert25's picture

To me, Fickel didn't even look like he was interested in being there.  It wasn't like Tressel was a fiery coach but at least he looked like he was cared about the game or wanted to be there.  Fickel just isn't the answer folks.  I've been saying it since they removed the interim tag.  He's here til the end of the season to be sure, and he may get better but I don't see him getting good enough in one season.  

You really appreciate just how great of a coach Tressel was when you see what bad coaching looks like.  I don't much care for the situation he left this program in, but you can't deny how great he was on the field. 

Colin's picture

I honestly don't understand the people who think we will now go like 6-6. THIS TEAM IS NOT THAT BAD. Jesus, if we just let Miller in after those interceptions when we were controlling the game (and throw of course) we could have probably come back easily. We can't expect the defense to keep up that kind of pressure if they were always on the field.

Once we get the 4 suspended guys back we will be a VERY GOOD team. The only thing holding us back right now is the coaching decisions...stick with Miller, let him throw and get better. Running game will take care of itself.

acBuckeye's picture

Agree.... as usual, many ppl are overreacting. The reps these young guys are getting now, the payoff will be immeasurable down the road.

Now, if Baus keeps starting, we may go 6-6. But with MIller, we at least have a chance, even with the mistakes.

cal3713's picture

If we'd just left Miller in that whole time we'd probably have scored 3 or 7 more points and had two additional turnovers.  That may be what we needed from a player development standpoint, but lets not delude ourselves into thinking that magically turns the game around.

NolanFickas01's picture

I'm willing to endure a 5-6 loss season to see a change in regime. Watching Fickell coach just doesn't give me a good feeling. Believe it or not everybody, but OSU could have a bad Head Coach, that is very possible. Fickell looks in over his head. As far as the offense, that was hard to even watch. If Bauserman can't find anyone to throw to and throws the ball away (even when he had all day to throw) why is he even in there? Atleast Miller can make something happen. I get it that Bauserman has the most experience(which really shouldn't have been considered experience) and knows the playbook the best out of the qbs but the fact that he knows more about the offense shows how bad he really is. 

 

Nappy's picture

Put me in the Bob Stoops category

Fan of bacon since 1981

buckeye20's picture

Actually, Fickell and Bauserman aside...I like this team.  Our defense played well after we got down and really, if we can't score more than 17 we don't deserve to win.  (Last drive doesn't count...game over).  Our RB's are good, the O line opened holes and gave QBs time to throw.  Defense is gutsy and young. 

So...Fickell gets the job handed to him on a platter and he decides to interview for years 2-5 with Bauserman.  DUDE. If I'm Smith (who should be fired) I'm making phone calls Monday morning to start the process.
 

 

LABuckeye's picture

I'm usually pretty level-headed about this stuff, and supported Fickell until tonight, but I agree. What he did with Miller tonight was evidence enough that he needs to go.

buckeye20's picture

How do you pull Miller after the botched read option play?  Let him stay in and make-up for the mistake.  He's a freshman.  He will make plenty of mistakes but he will learn.

matti's picture

i am with everyone who is looking at bollman seriously after the half the adjustments went to never lining up in the i form and running fake jet sweeps. i hope to see miller (not carry the ball like a loaf of bread please) start the rest of the season which isnt going to happen people. have a feeling sadly we are gonna see the baus again againt colorado. also after looking at the stats the baus averaged 28 inches per pass attempt!!!!!!!! that is horribly awsome

NorCal Buckeye's picture

Unfortunately, I think you're right about Baus starting against Colorado.

Colin's picture

One last thing, what the HELL was up with pulling Miller for Bauserman after one unsuccessful play? I mean after he bobbled the read option then Bauserman basically came in and told him to get the fuck out.

I thought that was possibly the biggest dick move, and worst possible thing the coaches could have done. Not only did it extremely piss off Miller at the time (you could tell, and it is understandable), it probably will cause him to lose faith in his coaches to make decent decisions. 

buckeye20's picture

That was a dick move for sure.

Jdadams01's picture

Anyone else notice that o.Johnson got replaced by Christian Bryant in the second half? I like that change.

I agree with all above that Fick basically just showed he's in over his head. I still think tall of 6-6 is a but much. 7-5 feels right. Hello outback bowl.

acBuckeye's picture

Yes, O Johnson was driving me crazy. Bryant needs to start, which is what i said at the beginning of the year. Although it would've helped if he had a pair hands... he makes that pick and its 14-13 with 5 mins left, or even tied.

AeroBuckeye2001's picture

Some thoughts:

1) Miller may be a freshman, but he has much better form and throws a much better ball than Bauserman. We need to just throw this kid in and let him make plays and learn at the same time. He is the future at tOSU.

2) What happened to Jordan Hall's carries in the 2nd half?

3) As shitty as the offense was, this game was still winnable thanks to our D. Hall almost broke that return for 6, and we should have had that pick 6 at the end.

4) How did we not adjust our passing game to include more short tight end stuff, wheel routes, short dump offs, etc?

 

The Ohio State University Class of 2001
BS Aero & Astronautical Engineering

acBuckeye's picture

Good stuff....

1) agreed 100%

2) wondered the same thing..... i think being down two scores  played a part, plus the offense was hardly on the field.

3) agree again on everything here

4) With Baus it seemed like it didn't matter what was called. If his primary guy wasn't open by 10 yards, he was lost. Up into the 3rd row it went.......

buckeye20's picture

Didn't Bauserman used to be a bartender at Sh-Boom Sh-Boom's??

Kenny F$%&'in Powers

 

 

William's picture

This was a perfect display of how inept Fickell is as a coach. The playcalls were terrible. Bauserbitch averaged 28 inches a pass. We abandoned the run, another terrible decision. Miller should see every snap from now on. I would rather have Cindy Loo-Who suit up for OSU than Bauserbitch. He doesn't deserve a scholarship. If he plays against Colorado I will boo.

LABuckeye's picture

I hope he never plays again, but please don't boo Ohio State players.

William's picture

I'm sorry as an OSU student I pay to see a winning product and when an asshat like Bauserman is standing, laughing there on the sidelines, I will boo him all I want.

acBuckeye's picture

Dont know about booing.... but seeing him laughing on the sideline pissed me off.

LABuckeye's picture

Boo paid pro players all you want. Booing college kids is classless and makes OSU fans look bad.

LABuckeye's picture

I should say, even if you are a college kid yourself.

cal3713's picture

Don't boo you stupid, self-entitled, dick.

Colin's picture

Fickell said either last week or the week before that he has almost no input on the offensive play calling whatsoever. Who you should be mad at is Bollman...but the non-time-out calls at the end of the game were on Fickell.

buckeye20's picture

At least Cooper had Musak playing in both ears not just one.  If you are going to look like a deuche on the sideline...do it right.

TheHostileDwarf's picture

Ugh. That was a horrible game between two bad teams. Unfortunately, ours was worse.

I so wanted Fickel to rise to the occasion this year, grab the head coaching job with both hands, and never let it go, but it's becoming abundantly clear that he's in over his head and that he has a long way to go before deserving to head a premier program. Many of the personel decisions were baffling. The play-calling was just as bad. Even if he's not directly involved, he has to demand the appropriate adjustments. The throwing-in-of-the-towel at the end would have been infuriating if it hadn't been so depressing and a foreshadowing of what may come this year...

Braxton did not play well, but he was never really given a chance to get into a rhythm. It's clear that this team is full of young, talented players who have no idea what they're doing yet. The best way for them to get better is to play, to develop some chemistry amongst themselves, and yes, to make mistakes and to learn from them, i.e., the Miller fumble and interception. I saw that fumble coming a mile away with him carrying the ball so flippantly in one hand, but I expect he doesn't make that same mistake again. This shit ain't high school anymore, and I'm sure he learned as much from that play. The interception was his fault too. Yes, the pass was tipped, but he threw the ball right into coverage as if he never saw the linebacker who tipped the ball. Again, that's how you learn. It's how Pryor learned, and Braxton has more pure football acumen than Pryor ever did, so he will too.

I fear the problem is that Fickel's interests with this one year audition don't align with what's best for the team, which is to give Miller a chance to grow. Bauserman will clearly make fewer mistakes this year (by throwing the ball into the 3rd row), but he has so little upside overall compared to Miller, only one year left, and he's not even giving the team a chance to win in the meantime...*sigh*

I hate Urban Meyer with a burning white, firey passion that is typically reserved for Michigan, the Steelers, and the Yankees, so I cannot stand the thought of him becoming the next head coach. So, um, if Tressel somehow miraculously avoids a Show Cause...I know, never going to happen, but one can dream, I suppose...

Need more alcohol...

elloyd1681's picture

Great post.  I, too, wanted Luke to take this job and run with it.  But, I'm now left wondering if he has the sort of 'on your feet' intellect it takes to manage a game.  There isn't a coach in America who would let the clock bleed on that last Miami drive.  If for no other reason than to give your gassed defense a break.  Seeing Luke's face as he raised his hands part way trying to decide to call time out or not gave me the feeling that he wished someone else was in charge.  

We can still save this season.  Our defense is very good.  I thought they were fantastic all things considered.  When we get the three offensive players back that will be a huge help.  Blackledge was so right last night - if you don't have a pro level qb in the college game, then you have to have a duel threat.  We have to let the kid play and accept his turnovers.

 

NolanFickas01's picture

 

How about Bauserman blowing his load early on that pass to Stoneburner in the Endzone. 

acBuckeye's picture

Baus on that throw = DERP!!

buckeye20's picture

So Bauserman gets the chance of a lifetime to be the starting QB at Ohio State and he grows that deuchey beard.

NICE move Clegg. Go back to Sh-Boom Sh-Booms.

 

LABuckeye's picture

I'm surprised no one mentioned Mark May stating after the game that he expected OSU to lose three more games. I figured he'd say a lot more than that.

Menexenus's picture

May singled us out on College Football Final as the team that is worth than he thought they were.  But this drew derisive laughs from Rece and Lou with Rece saying, "Worse than YOU thought?."  Mark May's hatred of OSU has become so obvious that it is now an inside joke among his ESPN colleagues.

Real fans stay for Carmen.

osukdawg76's picture

I, for one, welcome our new coaching overlords.

 

 

MFA Buckeye's picture

I think an important thing to remember is that this team that played against Miami is not the same team that will be playing against the bulk of the big ten schedule, especially scUM. A few games of experience for Miller (please) and the return of the tat5 will change this team significantly.

SouthPlainfieldNut's picture

I was expecting Ohio State to lose this game, so given that, I was actually quite surprised by some aspects of the performance.

1) After getting off to a rough start, I thought the defense did a marvelous job, specifically in the damage control department. They consistently provided the offense with good field position and an opportunity to get back into things. They progressively got more disciplined, made better tackles, got into better position. I like the resiliency. There's some damn good players on that side of the ball

2) Given the strking inefficiency of the passing game, I was AMAZED that we were able to run the ball with such success. Jordan Hall is a man, and Carlos Hyde is already making great progress. O-line showed up as far as run blocking was concerned, that's for sure.

3) Our punting game is nasty. 

4) Obviously, quarterback is the glaring issue. Maybe Braxton isn't ready, maybe his head is getting big and the coaches are trying to teach him a lesson, I don't know. But what I do know is that I've seen enough of the Baus. He's not going to get any better. I said earlier in the week that I was TERRIFIED of him throwing into this Miami defense, and it's clear that my worries were justified. He's just not a big-time talent. Braxton, even with the mistakes he will make and the learning he will go through, gives this team a much, much better chance to be successful. Get him in there and get him experience, because this team is going nowhere fast with the Baus under center.

madhatterhater's picture

On the bright side we were 2 for 2 on field goals.  I actually thought that was what was going to cost us the game.  Bauserman is the only QB that I know that creates his own pressure.  I hate to try to be a coach, but only getting 25 yards passing against this Miami team is sad.  I would walk in to the first practice and say the QB position is now open who wants it.

go bucks

pasadenabuck's picture

If we don't get the QB situation figured out we'll be lucky to beat the bottom dwellers in the Big Ten.That was like watching a train wreck. But I give credit to the defense. They manned up after the first two TDs.

A fool and his money are soon parted.I would pay anyone a lot of money to explain that to me. -Homer Simpson

madhatterhater's picture

You have to give credit to the O line too.  A 175 yards rushing with only 35 yards passing.  It is clear that Miller even with the errors is the best option.  Get rid of this two Qb crap and give him the majority of the practice snaps.  Miller had no chance in that game to get into a rhythm.  Bauserman showed for the second week in a row has and never will have rhythm.

go bucks

rampageripster's picture

Positives...

 

1) Michael F-ing Bennett: Dude is the next Heyward and some... think he might end up as one of the best D-Lineman to ever play at Ohio St

2) Paul Buchanan: He is a heck of a punter (given protection) and will be essential when we get into the field position battles we are destined for in the future

3) Jordan Hall: Playmaker... straight up palymaker who will onyl get better when he gets more carries.

4) Drew Basil: 2/2... can't ask for anythign better

Cause I couldn't go for three

acBuckeye's picture

Paul Buchanan = Ben Buchanan. Sorry, couldn't help it.

Hall looks bigger and stronger too.... me likey.

5) Sabino has been a monster so far..... despite a few missed tackles.

rampageripster's picture

damn... I knew I screwed that up when I hit submit... I will go edit it...

Cause I couldn't go for three

Type G's picture

The Good:

Defense, O-line, Special teams

 

The Bad:

BauserBum, Bollman, Fickell (emphasis on the first two!). *Miller was awful but he really didn't get much of a chance or into any rhythm. Two QBs = Zero QBs.

 

The Ugly:

The look on my face during just about every one of our offensive possessions. *Honorable mention to BauserBum's "I suck at QB" facial hair.

"No time for love, Doctah Jones!"

acBuckeye's picture

With all of this said.... Jacory Harris hasn't changed one bit. He still blows.... unfortunately, Baus blows harder. When Baus was named the starter for the season, my biggest nightmare was that he would DERP us to death, and we'd keep winning close games in spite of him, and then the bottom would fall off when we were undefeated and in the top 10. Well, the bottom fell out earlier than i expected, and thats a good thing. Now maybe Braxton will get the nod, and we can take our lumps and move on.

Of course, if Baus KEEPS starting, i will curl up into a fetal position and cry myself to sleep.....

NYC Buckeye's picture

Was at the game.. The Miami fans (who were actually decent), were complaing and yelling about jacory for the first half..but after watching bausermann, they all offered their sympathy and realized they were in fact lucky to have a QB who can play..

Hate to criticize a college kid, but good god Bausermann is awful..

acBuckeye's picture

Its easier to criticize him when he's old enough to be a grandfather.....

Type G's picture

With age comes wisdom... but not for the Bowser I guess, on the football field that is.

"No time for love, Doctah Jones!"

Type G's picture

What are the chances BauserBum starts again next game? LOL!

Is Bollman the worst OC in college football? Unreal... my mind is blown. I can select better plays with my controller in a video game, blindfolded. Maybe a new HC next season means a new OC as well...

"No time for love, Doctah Jones!"

madhatterhater's picture

Sadly it will also mean that Heacock is gone too.  I agree something needs to change though

go bucks

Bucksfan's picture

Sorry, but no TD's means you don't deserve to keep your job, not with that kind of talent.  You don't prepare them to play, and you don't know how to put the best players in position to win the game.  This is the 2nd time in 4 years they failed to score a TD on the road in a nationally televised game, you just don't deserve to be at Ohio State anymore.  End of story.  Get the MUTHAF*CK OUT OF MY BOOTH!  Bollman, Heacock, all y'all need to go far far away from this place.  I don't care if it sets us back a few years, it's time for change.  I'm done with expecting you fat, old *ssholes to finally do something other than dictating our failures on a national stage as if we're FIU or FAU or some other talent-less Sunbelt team.

6 f*ing points?!  6?!!  Get the f*ck out of here!  PA-THE-TIC.  We expect better out of the Buckeyes, even in the worst years.

AGL's picture

EZ to point fingers. What did we expect when Luke was named HC ?  Come in and fire entire staff ?  WTF,  he has been able to hire 1 coach,  and we all seem to agree that was a great addition to the staff.  We all have been craving/wishing for bollman to get the F outta there but what could Luke do,  do  not know stipulations of his HC assignment.  BTW,  I hope Luke along w/Drayton and Vrab's keep their jobs next year,  seeya later to the rest except 4 S&C coach.

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

I'm on board with putting Miller in and taking said lumps, but there has to be a reason this has not happened. The coaches are not stupid. They see the talent/potential he has over Joe. This leads me to believe there is something going on that the fan base is not aware of. Its the only thing that makes sense. Again, our coaches are not dumb. Issues in the locker room, class room, practice field, something other than their 'gut feeling' on which QB to play. Something is not adding up.

Hoosierbuckeyedaddy's picture

Dismal...there is nothing more to say about the game...Move forward from here. In doing so, my $.02.

Baus is the #3 QB from this point forward.

I was not at the game so this is simply from what I saw on TV, but the entire sideline appeared flat all night, no excitement..kinda deer in headlights look.

D was OK..too slow to arrive, then worn out at the end.  Solid in between.

QB play was poor, but when a ball hits you in the hands, there is no excuse for not catching it.  A couple of those actually caught, we are talking about how the Bucks looked terrible but escaped with a W.

Bucks should be a MUCH better team by the trip to Lincoln.

I think Fick honestly forgot to call TO...no excuse, but rookie thing.  Let's be honest, the offense was not going to make two miracle drives in the last 2:00.  But the "never quit, never give" up mentality took a big hit!

IMHO the WORST thing I saw from Fick was removing the headset with time on the clock.  NEVER QUIT, NEVER! You expect it from your players, LEAD BY EXAMPLE coach.

I want to like Fick, I really do.  I want him to be successful and get the contract, but I am not sure if he is the answer.  Honestly, any new coach will make questionable moves, so let's ease up on him until he gets his feet under him.  I know that sounds bad, but it's true.

Finally, this is a MUST.  If Fick is not the guy, Please, I beg you Please stop the Urban love fest!  Urban is not the face we want on tOSU program.  My stomach does flip-flops every time I hear someone mention his name related to tOSU.  HE IS NOT THE ANSWER!

Next week should be very telling, let's hope we see huge improvements.

GO BUCKS!!!!