Howard, Hall and Brown Suspended for Opener

By Jason Priestas on September 1, 2011 at 5:12p
157 Comments

Defensive backs Travis Howard, Corey Brown and running back Jordan Hall have all been suspended for the opener Saturday for accepting improper benefits per Ohio State. The university says the three took impermissible benefits of $300 or less at a charity event earlier this year.

OSU has filed for the players reinstatement for the remainder of the 2011 season.

AD Gene Smith:

"We take this matter seriously. Our commitment to institutional integrity is steadfast, and we must hold everyone associated with our athletics programs accountable for lapses in judgment. We believe in transparency with the NCAA, all regulatory bodies and all of Buckeye Nation."

If you're counting along at home, the Buckeyes will now be without the following players for the opener: Posey, Adams, Herron, S.Thomas, Whiting, Linsley, Hall, Howard and Brown.

More as we know it.

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Matt's picture

QUICK SOMEONE THINK OF A WAY IN WHICH WE CAN BLAME THIS ON TRESSEL

Colin's picture

IT WAS PROBABLY AN EVENT THAT TRESS ENCOURAGED THESE PLAYERS TO GO TO! RABBLE RABBLE HIS LEGACY IS JUST GETTING WORSE AND WORSE RABBLE RABBLE.

francosutrack's picture

Please tell me this is some sort of a cruel joke...

Bucks's picture

Sigh. This is the worst timing, not b/c I am concerned for the game but c'mon. Absolutely terrible to see.

SouthPlainfieldNut's picture

Watch the NCAA suspend them for four more games.

Seth4Bucks's picture

Wow, can this offseason end already? I want to watch some football . . .  

 

Over under for how long it takes for ESPiN to make this their front page?

BucksfanXC's picture

Hey quick guys, you still have another 90mins of offseaon left, go do something else bad. 

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

Colin's picture

Thank God our fullbacks, tight ends, and kickers behave themselves...

KenK's picture

Yeah, and golfers, tennis players & swimmers...

Johnny Hooker: "He's not as tough as he thinks". Henry Gondorff: "Neither are we".

dmurder's picture

what the F#$K!!!

Well, looks like carlos hyde will get the start and we will see roderick smith a lot more.

But sucks we don't get to see Howard. This is kid has been promoted to all american by everyone before he has played. Looks like roby and clarke? or roby and allen? or roby and grant?

 

But seriously haven't these players learned or was this awhile ago?

"We have always had the best damn band in the land, now we have the best damn team in the land"- Jim Tressel 1-03-03

BrewstersMillions's picture

Seriously. Lets get off the ESPN paranoia\conspiracy bandwagon. For eff's sake, what part of DONT DO THAT don't these guys understand? Are they that arrogant? Stupid? Ignorant? It has to be something. "Oh God, no, I can't take that". How easy was that?

And what the hell. Who is going up to these guys with a cash handshake? I mean how have we not learned our lesson at this point....

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

NYC Buckeye's picture

Im not even sure what to say at this point...

Bucks's picture

This is very early on so I am trying to be careful in how this is phrased:

Depending on the details of this, I might demand in my own mind (which counts for nothing admittedly) that a statement suspension is made by Fickell.

I'm past tired of this. Summer is not something that can be claimed as ignorance. $300+ is not something to be excused.

dmurder's picture

I would let it be known that from a certain date (the day fickell took the job) that if any violations come out after the time i have been hired there will be severe consquences regardless of who, what, where, and why.

 

Now they may come back to hurt us in the short run.

however, I guess this sort of looks good that we are self reporting. Let's the ncaa know we are looking at the smallest things now, and we are going to self report.

"We have always had the best damn band in the land, now we have the best damn team in the land"- Jim Tressel 1-03-03

Bucks's picture

There comes a time where self-reports don't matter to me anymore. This may be one of those times. We lead in self-reporting.

If there were benefits over the repayment limit & took place during this summer after all this crap, I could care less how valuable the player is ... you better be gone for many games.

I'm just tired of this.

Another Jason's picture

Um... it's LESS THAN $300 not $300+.  And it was at a charity event, so it could be something as simple as food and t-shirts.  Is it too much to ask to wait for more details before you start cursing their names?  The fact that we're basically required to be over-cautious about this stuff now and it's still just a one-game suspension suggests that it's not really that bad.

The Stanley Jackson 5's picture

Agreed.........like the level-headedness............

Bucks's picture

Yep, you are correct. I misread. Apologies on that, but you aren't placing cursing their names on me.

Imperm. benefits are not foreign right now & weren't then. If it's under $100, still not happy. If it is over that NCAA benchmark, it is FLATLY INEXCUSABLE. Defend all you like, but the university has confirmed the suspension & I'm tired of it.

Another Jason's picture

You're entitled to your view and I get where you're coming from.  I just like I can be a little more understanding here considering the nature of the event at which it happened.  If it was cash from other attendees, then yeah, that's inexcusable.  If it was a couple plates of grub and some charity-themed swag, then I see how they messed up.

You don't always learn from someone else's mistake.

741's picture

Amazed at people's willingness to jump to irrational conclusions based upon minimal facts (some of which they somehow still miscomprehend). I acknowledge its difficult, but can we try and relax people?

Bucks's picture

Wow. It is fairly simple here. It isn't irrational. University admits secondary violations & players are suspended.

50 people could come along and try to morph my words into something different, but the bottom line is ... the time for violations by benefits are over. I'm tired of it, and coming after the beginning of our offseason is worse.

There is no projecting. There is not drawing conclusions that aren't there. We admit additional secondary violations & suspend due to it. How hard is it to say you're tired of it?

 

741's picture

So if it turns out for sake of argument that the extent of the violations are that three guys had a couple of cheeseburgers and some sodas at a charity event that they had clearance from the OSU Department of Athletics to attend, will you still feel entitled to be morally outraged?

William's picture

Agree with Bucks on this one. The players are informed of what impermissible benfits are. My grandmother works with Sportcourt and she had hired several Georgia Tech Tennis players to install courts for her over the summer. When she offered to buy them lunch, they refused stating that it was an impermissible benefit. It seems like only the football players at Ohio State are boneheaded enough to repeatedly make such mistakes. In the end this isn't that big of a deal, it's only for the Akron game.

741's picture

I don't agree or disagree with either of you. I just choose to wait until there are more facts before I'll assign blame and criticism in this matter.

P.S. There are allegedly 72 boneheads in Miami, and some more at Boise State, some at North Carolina, a couple noteworthy ones at USC, and I believe I have heard of a number of additional pending investigations...

Bucks's picture

Just to differentiate on this, we know it isn't "burgers," unless they cost over $100.

I could care less about other schools right now. This body of athletes knows the problems & wherever the issues took place, they need to be dealt with firmly.

741's picture

Unless you have access to a different press release from OSU than the rest of us the only thing we know is that the amount was "less than $300" so I wonder how you've determined the benefits were "over $100"?

Bucks's picture

Read the statement & understand the difference in the NCAA rules?

"The university says the three took impermissible benefits of $300 or less at charity event earlier this year."

If all 3 were under $100, it is a simple situation that occurs daily. Under that amount is simply repaying the amount to charity (most often). We admit that the bar is set under 3 bills, not one. 

741's picture

Reading comprehension has generally been a strong suit for me. I take the university's statement to mean that each individual obtained an impermissible benefit of between $0.01 to $299.99 in value.

Bucks's picture

For the university & the repercussion possible, it would be beneficial to advertise under $100 if true. Going to the mark they did, shows it isn't. You may have that strong suit, I don't disagree.

builderofcoalitions's picture

I mean, it's not like they haven't seen this before. They probably thought they were in the clear since there were no tattoos or hookers involved. 

Because we couldn't go for three.

buckeyedude's picture

Jesus. The players can't even have a hamburger at a charity event? There is something wrong with these rules.

 

 

Riggins's picture

It's reported that each player accepted ~$300 in improper benefits.  We're not talking about a hamburger here. 

NW Buckeye's picture

300 or less.  That is the first bench mark for the NCAA that draws a one game suspension - could be 0.01 up to 300.  The only thing we do know is that it was under 300. 

OhioKris's picture

what the f---? seriously 

Shock-G's picture

Earlier this year?!? Wasn't it pretty damn clear after December that this type of behavior can't be tolerated?!?!

Let it be made clear, you can't get away with it!!

tampa buckeye's picture

The question is why doesn't Ohio State tell these kids to stop going to these type of events?  

tampa buckeye's picture

Bryant gets on the field at corner which is good.  More carries for the three best running backs on the team. step it up.  What other team could lose 2 running backs and not miss a beat?  

I'm glad we caught it and reported it.  Shows the NCAA we mean business.  Cause if the NCAA finds anything else on their own it could mean bowl ban.

flipbuckeye's picture

I thought we will only have two running backs available since Berry is injured.  We'll have to rely on our bruisers.

Poe McKnoe's picture

Official Depth Chart release fail.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

after all the program has been through the past year, there's no way these guys thought they'd get away with it.....

 

I'm just glad it's against Akron...

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SouthPlainfieldNut's picture

For now. I have a hard time believing the NCAA won't tack extra games on.

Alex's picture

You guys don't realize that these guys aren't as stupid as you think...they probably went to the charity event and either got something there that everyone else got (such as a free buffet meal or something along those lines) or something they didn't realize was a violation.....OSU may have not even reported or acted on something like this in the past, but due to the way this off-season shook out, they have to show the NCAA they are willing to crack down, even on the minor things

Pam's picture

Those events usually give the attendee's gift bags to thank them for coming.

slippy's picture

Then wouldn't it not be a violation if everyone at the thing got it?  If everyone at the event got something that means these guys were not given the gifts/meals/whatever for being athletes at OSU.  Or is that not how the rules work?

KenK's picture

Not sure. But, for example, if the event were a golf outing, yes everyone gets "goodie" bags. Since there is an entry fee for these events (it is a charity event after alll) and the players were comp'd, then you could probably construe that it was because of their status as OSU players.

Of course, since I don't know any details of this particular event, I'm talking out of my arse. 

Johnny Hooker: "He's not as tough as he thinks". Henry Gondorff: "Neither are we".

Elika's picture

Not necessarily, if their attendance at the charity event in the first place was due to their standing as a student athlete, then they're not necessarily allowed to take what's given at that event.

Much like when Drew Tate hit a hole in one at a charity golf event several years back and had to forego the prize that would've been offered to anyone there that hit a hole in one. I think it was like $25k or something too.

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

tampa buckeye's picture

Is that how the rules work?  I'm not sure if the NCAA even knows how the rules work.

Elika's picture

They likely don't, which is why they cover their rears by saying that one case has nothing to do with the other. They basically give themselves an out in having to keep up with their own idiocy. All that said... I'm pretty sure that is how that rule works, unfortunately.

Found the link to the story I was referring to:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2471422

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

Tony's picture

"[Tate] said, 'No, not really because if it weren't for football and the university, I wouldn't be playing in this outing anyway,'"

There's most likely your reason he wasn't allowed to take the prize.

Elika's picture

Exactly.

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

NYC Buckeye's picture

Agreed, its just getting annoying/frustrating at this point... 

AcrossTheField11's picture

If I didn't still have hope that we could win the conference this year and it turns out that it in fact was blatant disregard for the rules, I'd say ban them all for the entire season and send a message to the entire team that this taking benefits crap will not be tollerated. 

If you get caught with over 17 oz of marijuana in Singapore you are considered a drug trafficker and you get hanged, no questions asked.  Guess what?  Singapore doesn't have a drug problem.  Same results would (hopefully) apply. 

Losing a couple guys now to prevent a possible FTM or LOIC down the road is a solid investment IMO.

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

slippy's picture

Portugal has decriminalized most drugs and their drug problem has decreased dramatically.

Denny's picture

Yais.

Taquitos.

AcrossTheField11's picture

Yes because OSU decriminalizing taking illegal benefits would totally drastically decrease the problem... got it.

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

BED's picture

Your comment is idiotic.

The Ohio State University, College of Arts & Sciences, Class of 2006
The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009

AcrossTheField11's picture

how?

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

BED's picture

1) Comparing this situation at all to drug prohibition.  Especially when the point you're trying to make is directly contradicted by all evidence on the efficacy of prohibition in the first place.  It never works, in any case.

"Improper benefits," unlike drugs, is such a loosey-goosey concept that even the NCAA can't apply the rule uniformly.  So even if it were punished harshly, where is the line?  Is getting into a nightclub without waiting in line an improper benefit?  That has the monetary value of your time, since you could've used it working at 7-11, instead.

2) There has been no suggestion that OSU go easy on players that actually do things which we would consider objectively to be wrong.  Paying players for their performance by whatever means, straight cash (/CamNewton'd), jobs they don't show up for, or free cars (/Oregon), directly strikes at the amatuerism of the sport.  

Getting a free round of golf or a meal or a gift bag where the shit's worth under $300 at a CHARITY EVENT--where the players were probably there to help BOOST THE F@CK!NG MONEY RAISED for the charity, not themselves--does not.  Don't get me started on the whole selling your own shit isn't cool thread.  Looking the other way in this situation is the RIGHT thing to do.  We're not talking cash-handshakes here.

 

The Ohio State University, College of Arts & Sciences, Class of 2006
The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009

AcrossTheField11's picture

First of all, its not an issue of prohibition.  Receiving illegal benefits is already prohibited.  It's an issue of zero-tollerance and harsh penalties as a consequence.  This can be applied to many topics from drugs to sexual harassment to weapons possession.  Breaking team or NCAA rules is no exception. 

Furthermore, (and this is important) I'm not talking about the NCAA... I'm talking about Fickell setting a precident for the program that HE runs.   

And again, I'm not talking about your "loosey goosey" situations.  I'm talking about a blatant disregard for the rules.  I can guarentee you after this offseason that the players are very very well-versed in what they can or cannot do.

I guess what I'm trying to say is if after all thats happened, players are still blatently accepting benefits, it may be a good chance for Fick to lay down the law with some excessive punishment to avoid another hellacious offseason like we just had.  Rumors have it Dorian Bell got kicked off the team for just that.

 

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

BED's picture

The Bell event happened after this stuff, so I'd say that's enough Draconian punishment.  The stats still prove that shit doesn't work, but whatever.

And this was very much one of those situations that are loose.  Word is they took a t-shirt, a coffee cup, and a mouse pad at a charity golf outing.  i.e., the free shit you can get by walking around the Oval on any nice day.

The Ohio State University, College of Arts & Sciences, Class of 2006
The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009

BED's picture

Also, sorry if I'm being too harsh.  Between this and the Miami shit, I'm so full of rage that, my frail old ass wants to suit up and fuck someone up on Saturday myself.

Sorry for the ad hominem attack.  Go Bucks!

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The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009

joejoekl's picture

goddamn kids with your music. they just don't get it.

Bucksfan's picture

Let me get this straight, they get a door prize for being at a charity event...something that every single Ohio State student would receive by participating in events like Buckeyethon, Habitat, etc....and these kids can't participate in their college football game?

WHEN WILL THE MADNESS STOP?!?!

Bucksfan's picture

You know what this means, though?  The Carlos Hyde/Rod Smith era at Ohio State is about to take off and not look back.

SouthPlainfieldNut's picture

Also means we're without our No. 1 corner. I hate being pessimistic. All we can hope for is that it's for this game only.

tampa buckeye's picture

C Bryant is our #1 cb.

buckeyedude's picture

I am PERFECTLY FINE with the Hyde/Smith era to begin. These guys are going to do some damage.

 

 

The Stanley Jackson 5's picture

The big winner in this?

Akron fans fan..........

 

 

Matt M.'s picture

I stand corrected, the universe will stop me from supporting Jordan Hall this Saturday. I knew I shouldn't have made that post this morning. SOB!

tampa buckeye's picture

I'd rather see a legit running back like Smith, Berry or Hyde.

Denny's picture

Goddammit.

Taquitos.

Tim's picture

You beat me to it; that's exactly what I was going to say.  I guess it's still the off-season for another day and a half, though, so we shouldn't be too surprised.

poop's picture

Think there will be some tickets available Saturday? Think they'll be going below face value?

 I farkin' do'

Nappy's picture

Someone wake me up at noon on Saturday.  I cant take any more. 

Fan of bacon since 1981

flipbuckeye's picture

Who was the backup and now starting KR/PR?

William's picture

Chris Fields/Doran Grant?

Poe McKnoe's picture

Bo Delande Era has begun.

SilverBullets's picture

Hits a little too close to home here....

buckeyedude's picture

I think the worst thing about this is the two weeks of documentaries on ESPN about "what is going on at Ohio State."

If this crap keeps up, I think Vrabel and Fickell are going to have to suit up.

 

 

Nerkbuckeye's picture

Dear Lord--Please wake me from this nightmare!!

Riggins's picture

Well, that pretty much kills tonight's little mini-celebration of kicking off the 2011 season.

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

Good news is none of these guys will get hurt Saturday.

TheHostileDwarf's picture

As a Slayer fan, "God hates us all."

40 hours and 43 minutes to go...

BuckeyeSki's picture

Hopefully Saturday afternoon it will be "Raining Blood" and Akron will be sent "South of Heaven"

\m/

Banned from BlackShoeDiaries since 2008. Crime: Slander/Defamation of Character Judgement: Guilty

blazers34's picture

couldnt be more upset, even if it doesnt affect the outcome of the game.

 

i expect a lot out of travis howard.  i really hope this was a misunderstanding. he seems like a good dude

3 Yards And A Cloud of Dust's picture

Too much speculation about the circumstances and "gifts."

Stupid is as stupid does, sir.

William's picture

Rumor is that the impermissible benefit was a goodie bag they received at a Stephanie Speilman Breast Cancer Awareness event. Unbelievable that they would be suspended for that, players receive goodie bags when they go to bowl games, BECAUSE of their status.

BED's picture

If it was the Speilman foundation, I hope Speils rips off the head of the NCAA commish and shits down his neck if there is even a game suspension from that.

The Ohio State University, College of Arts & Sciences, Class of 2006
The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009

Johnny Ginter's picture

THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS

3 Yards And A Cloud of Dust's picture

Bowl game "goodie bags" typically contain "gifts" from NCAA approved sponsors - meaning the NCAA already got its cut.  They don't make a dime off these other fundraiser/charity events.  Don't get me wrong - some of this is soooo ridiculous.  But, its the NCAA's rules.

BED's picture

So much this.

The Ohio State University, College of Arts & Sciences, Class of 2006
The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009

Riggins's picture

I just hope this is all new information that they uncovered.  If we find out later that OSU was sitting on this information when all the Tressel stuff was going on, just kill me now.

Elika's picture

Highly doubt they intentionally hid these violations while being upfront with the rest. Just a hunch.

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

Riggins's picture

Don't get me wrong. I think it's very unlikely. But after this offseason from hell...I'm a tad cynical.

GoBucks713's picture

Would it be bad if I tweeted them and asked them in the Antoine Dodson voice "Y U So Dumb?"

-The Aristocrats!

acBuckeye's picture

"U R very dumb!!"

Ethan's picture

First off, this is ridiculous. I agree wholeheartedly with everyone above who said that the players should get hammered. How stupid can you be? I don't care what the circumstance. At this point in the offseason, after everything that has happened, I wouldn't even let someone hold a door for me if I was on the team. 

On another note, can someone clarify why the university has to apply for reinstatement for the rest of the season for the players? Is this the same thing that Miami was trying to do? 

Riggins's picture

Same thing Miami was trying to do.  Ohio State declared them ineligible because they broke an NCAA rule. So the NCAA has to declare them eligible now.  If they broke a team rule, i.e. curfew, then it's not required to have the NCAA rule on when they can come back.

At least that's my understanding of it.

Ethan's picture

Thanks for the clarification. That makes a lot more sense now

jfrank373's picture

Just a guess- is this the open issue the NCAA was referring to in the letter to "Shep" that might uncover more infractions resulting in LOIC charge?

BED's picture

No, that was just Lawyer CYA language.  There was no real "open issue" to begin with.

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The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

You know, when I first heard the reports I, too, was pissed.  Then I heard the idiots on WKNR here in Cleveland foaming at the mouth (is there a worse sports talk show on radio in America than R & R?  Give me Bruce Hooley over those two idiots.  And just so you know, I have a contract out with Danny Greene for Bruce Hooley) and I realized that WE DON'T KNOW SHIT YET.  

Then I read these comments and as bad as I wanted to puch Travis and his boyz, I really want to bitch slap a few of the commenters.  Look.  The only thing that is known is that the charity III got something of value worth between .01 and $299.00.  Thats it .  Thats all we know.  They could've appeared at a Special Olympics event and been given a tee shirt.  So pay the $10 bucks for the tee shirt and watch the zips get crucified from the bench.

Now, if they all got hundred dollar handshakes, then yes, I agree, some draconian Singapore hanging Judge should be brought in for punishment.  But we don't know that yet.  SO STFU ABOUT THIS STUFF UNTIL WE KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh and if indeed they got a swag bag for the Stephanie Speilmann Cancer Fund fundraiser; a charity that is virtually part of the Ohio State football community, then all that means that its time to storm the ramparts in Kansas City and burn the effin NCAA to the ground.

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

Pam's picture

If it was an event for the Stephanie Speilman Cancer fund, Speils would've been there and should have made sure the guys didn't get the gift bag.

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Do you honestly think that CS is going to even pay attention to three people football players at a fund raiser of hundreds of people in his beloved wife's name?  

 

I didn't think so.

Come back with a real cogent thought.  Thanks for playing.

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

Pam's picture

Pump the brakes kid.  You don't have to agree with me, but don't give me a smart ass reply. Come back when you get some manners.

theDuke's picture

+500 Pam

theDuke

Pam's picture

 I have donated thousands of dollars to the Speilman foundation. I am blessed to have had the opportunity to meet Stefanie and Chris on the Cruise of Cancer. I don't need someone telling me how beloved she was to Chris. I also know that at fund raisers Speils works the room and knows who is on the guest list.  If there were Buckeyes attending, he would know it. 

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

but he wouldnt be baby sitting them either <rollseyes> congrats  on the donations.  <golf clap>

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

Pam's picture

Not sure why you are being such a dick, but nothing I have said should have caused you to react like one.  I have never been disrespectful to anyone here. Like I said, you don't have to agree with me, but you are out of line with your responses.

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Dick?  hahahaha.  So much for you staying on the high ground.

Maybe you were just the last stupid overreacting post in the night of many stupid overreacting posts. Many on here, including you, are acting like they already know what happened and invoking the death penalty.  The facts are mighty thin to be making accusations and assumptions about this.  

 

And then your weak attempt at adding credibility by name dropping Chris and Stephanie pretty much disses every other poster on here who have donated to the SS Fund or some other Cancer Fund.  You have no idea who I am or who and what I know.  I have no idea who you are (nor do I care).  So you could proclaim that you are Chris Speilmann's sister and it would mean nothing.  

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

Pam's picture

Have a nice holiday weekend.

Go Bucks!

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

If noone else will say this...Todd..shut the fuck up, dude...you need to relax

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

NW Buckeye's picture

Yes, indeed Pam, you are correct.  If this was a charity event hosted by CS, he is as responsible as the players to make sure no improper benefits were handed out.  As a Varsity O Football member he has a signed compliance form on file with the University - it is updated every year.  Sorry, Todd, but you are out of bounds on this.  And, I don't think Pam was over reacting to this situation.  There are many posting here who believe the players should be put on the sacrificial alter and made an example, Pam was not among them.  That stance is not only reactionary, but asinine as well.  Should the event really be a CS sponsored event, CS could face harsher punishment than the players (witness the $500 benefit Troy Smith had - he got a couple of games suspended, his benefactor received a life time ban).

This is a MINOR infraction that the compliance office is handling the way they should.  There is a possibility that the players could be reinstated before the game, but that is highly unlikely.  Afterall, they received trinkets instead of $200,000 delivered to their parents.  And, this is OSU, not some trivial school like Auburn.(intended sarcasm)  The NCAA rules are such that few of us really understand them completely (including me).  And, the rules on charitable events can be conflicting - "I can do this is one situation, but not the other situation."  As for the SS foundation and benefits, the players probably do get to receive mementos when it is a University sponsored event (the spring game where they all wore pink numbers).  It is easy for us to say that the players should just "say no" when it comes to anything that even resembles a hand out.  But, I can understand some confusion here.  The best that we can hope for out of this is that it is a learning experience for all the athletes at OSU. 

741's picture

Great post. Thank you.

Pam's picture

Thanks you for getting what I was saying. I am not sure why I was lumped in as wanting these guys crucified when I had said nothing to indicate that was my position. I didn't respond because I didn't want the snarkfest to continue. 

While the hater's will see this as an example of LOIC, it is quite the opposite. Compliance found out and dealt with it immediately, which by definition is Institutional Control 

Let's play some football shall we?

BigBuck623's picture

They're told not to do this literally every week.  Not figuratively, literally.

 

I do not have any pity for the players.  I also refuse to believe that their roster spot wouldn't be better served with a player who isn't this stupid.

 

Who wants to be the first to have the scholarship yanked for doing this?

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

BigBuck.<rolleyes>  Before I call you a name, please tell me what they did that deserves them to lose their scholarship?

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Kalamazoo Steve's picture

The days of power for the NCAA are nearing an end if this is related to a finding a cure event.

Buckeyejason's picture

Hate to sound generic but...SMH

We went from 5 backs to 2 for saturday. God forbid Hyde or Smith gets hurt and we have....1!

BUCKEYES BABY!

NCBuck1's picture

Then it will be Bauserbombs away, and Miller Time. Heck we could feed the ball to Boren all day and still win. Come on people, if there was ever time to rally behind our team, this is it. Go Bucks!

Abe Froman's picture

Buckeye Ranch is on its own.  I am pulling my charitable contributions.  If it wasn't for the swag I got for attending events, I would never go to them.

Basking in the wake of mediocrity.....

Cross Village's picture

How much more stupidity from Jeannette PA can we absorb?   Should be off limits for OSU recruiting.   Central Ohio has become a homeless shelter for dopes from Jeannette.   Enough.

Pam's picture

How many players have come from Jeannette? Is it enough to qualify it being a "pipeline" like Glenville?

Colin's picture

2, Terrelle and Jordan...people are just having hissy fits because more suspensions makes us look worse than we already do. When in reality I don't consider this that big of a deal because if they were going to be suspended this would be the game to miss.

Cross Village's picture

Pipeline to NCAA probation........

Baroclinicity's picture

4 catches, 50yds so far for Dane tonight...

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Colin's picture

Just had a punt return TD that was called back for holding. DAMN IT

Johnson's picture

When is it time to put the blame where it belongs, Gene Smith. Isn't he the head of the athletic department? He is is either the biggest liar to come down the pike, the dumbest person on earth and/or the worst administrator in college sports. You would think he would be more interested in his biggest money maker.

Riggins's picture

All the exaggerations?

ALL THE EXAGGERATIONS.

 

I believe Gene is a good AD.  OSU has the biggest athletic department in the country by a wide margin, and while I agree that football should be his chief concern, what more do you want from the guy?  He can't be with these guys 24/7. All he can do is educate and self-report whatever violations come up.  Other than that horrible press conference (mostly due to JT rambling), I think Gene has handled this offseason pretty well.

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

What exactly do you think Gene's job discription is with regards to individual athlete's?  My god people, at least think about the subject before you post.  The old adage about better people think I'm and idiot than I open my mouth and prove it applies to the internet if you replace open my mouth with type random words.

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btalbert25's picture

Maybe, take your own advice, you are doing a good job of making yourself look like an idiot tonight.  You may have some valid points, but your attitude toward other posters is unacceptable.  Show some respect for other people.  You don't have to agree with everyone that would be boring.  Is it neccessary to treat everyone like crap though?

Cross Village's picture

Amen ........ cubed.

theDuke's picture

u just proved it. thank you. now take it ez and watch the indians replay. we're only 36 hours away from kickoff and we've made it this far. stick together like true Buckeyes.  

theDuke

Jdadams01's picture

I honestly won't react until I know what they did. If they got a plate of food at a charity event with hundreds of other people getting it, they probably didn't even think about it. The NCAA rules are very gray in that area, on what kids can accept while they're donating their time. If they are volunteering, the rules allow them certain things. If they are being paid for work, the rules are different again. If they were just there to appear, it's yet again different rules. It would be very easy to confuse what they could and could not accept. It all depends on why they were there and what they accepted. If it comes out that they were volunteering time for a charity and are in trouble for taking the charity tee shirt, I won't be mad at them one bit. Just wait for the circumstances people. Also, yes the kids messed up, yes they should have asked, but don't act like you know every NCAA rule about every situation either.

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

+1,000,000,000,000

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btalbert25's picture

At this point, any time the players are going to do anything at a public event, why is there not someone from compliance escorting them?  They may be told every week don't do this don't do that, but have you ever considered that they may have gotten the ok to attend a charity event?  The improper benefits could very well have been a free lunch and a T-shirt as someone said above.

The troubling thing is, none of us know any of these players, yet many feel the need to talk about how stupid they are or that they are morons and we'd much rather have a smart kid take their place.  Then people are verballing attacking other posters (well respected ones I might add.

Bashing kids you've never met, who by the way were trying to help a charity and better the community,  says a lot about the character of the person ranting.  Being an ass to a nice person like Pam when she did nothing to deserve it, says a lot about you.  Identifying yourself through a college football team, really says a lot about you.

Damn, this used to be a nice community to come to but anymore it's a douchefest.  Everyone is entitled to their opinions but lately we have people who don't respect others on this site.  We have others who consistently are on a high horse and feel free to judge every player as a loser, thug, idiot, or whatever other negative name you want to call players, even though they do not know or never have met them.  We also have those who just need to get up out of their parents basement, put on pants that have a waste band that isn't elastic, and get a freakin life.

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Ohio State already had the largest compliance department on the planet and now you want to  burden it even more by following 100 football and basketball players around every time they donate their time.  Remember how Tress basically drilled into these guys that they should constantly be doing that in their spare time?  For example, do you think the Charity 3 were the only ones out that day making an appearance somewhere?

There are three facets to the solution.  First, no one should be making any judgements based on the facts that are known as of now.

Second, the kids need to held responsible for their behavior, not given an out by saying they should have a baby sitter from compliance.

 

Third, the NCAA needs to be blown up and rebuilt from scratch.

 

By the way, I am a basketball referee.  All my black pants have elastic waistbands.  They're double knit too.

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btalbert25's picture

Isn't the compliance department basically going to get overhauled because it hasn't been adequate?  Honestly, when Football and Basketball are bringing so much money into the athletic department, yes I believe the compliance department should be burdened to make sure those guys aren't getting some sort of illegal benefits.  Look how much this Tat 5 mess and Tressel's lies have cost the university.  I think 1 compliance person attending a charity event that 3 guys are showing up at is probably adequate. 

 

Bucks's picture

I struggle with the description of being inadequate. That seemily implies in over their head and/or deficient. I don't want to go that far (and don't think you implied that either).

I do think the university is potentially taking pro-active steps that are unique. Could be a blueprint for some big programs across the nation. Unfortunately, that blending or centralized start can't be judged for probably years.

 

 

btalbert25's picture

Maybe I should've said efficient.  They may have had the resources, but weren't utilizing them to the fullest potential.  The move to centralize may very well be the model that every other school uses.  My point was just because it was a big compliance department doesn't mean it was doing a great job.

Bucks's picture

Yep, agree with you ... was just attempting to clarify where you stand good sir.

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Its unrealistic to have the compliance department following all football players around like stalkers.  Remember, the compliance people can't drive them to the events...that would be a violation.  I picture them parked outside the apartments like the cops staking out Axel Foley and then Terrell pretending to stall his 280Z at the light....

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btalbert25's picture

I'm simply saying that it's reasonable to believe these guys get permission to attend charity events.  So, if they go to someone associated with the team and ask or get clearance to go, then a representative from compliance should be on hand for the event.  I'm not suggesting each have a compliance buddy who follows them around everywhere.  I'm just suggesting anytime a guy is going to make an public appearance, that has been cleared by the athletic department, someone from compliance should be there so these situations are avoided.  It wouldn't stop Tat5 type stuff, but at least stuff like this doesn't happen.

Jdadams01's picture

Two things: 1) I appreciate everyone being willing to share their opinions. I love the varying thoughts and discussions on here.

2) Can we please stop tearing into each other and arguing about this stuff? We are a day and a half away from Buckeye football awesomeness. Let's focus on that and we'll handle this new situation when we know more.

O-H

theDuke's picture

i-o!!!!!!!!!! man i am pumped up for saturday!!!!! Don't like the suspensions, but man I got a feeling about this bunch... damn it, i say that every year. Guess that's a good problem to have.  

theDuke

amk1616's picture

is there any chance these guys are ruled elligible by the NCAA tomorrow?  Heck, Cam Newton was inelligible for a day last season.

Bucksfan's picture

Sigh...pretty pathetic thread.  Devloved into paranoia-induced rants and boatloads of anger.

My God, did anyone see what Wisconsin did?  The last thing we need are fans arguing with one another over this nonsense.  You can't control it.  So, on to Akron down a few players.  We need the backups to get all the game reps that they can.  Depth and competition, not seniority, should rule at Ohio State.  If players take themselves out of the lineup, so be it.  I'm sure there is someone behind you ready to make sure you never play another down of football in the Horseshoe.

I would love for Carlos Hyde or Rod Smith to go in and never come out of the game for the rest of their time at OSU.  SOMEBODY STEP THE HELL UP!

Jim's picture

The point is not to try and play a weasel game with the rules, but to look at the reality of the situation.  It is very obvious that the program, in terms of players knowing the rules and reacting to same is in trouble.  Blame whomever you want, Tressel, Smith, compliance officers....there are only two conclusions that can be drawn.  First, either there was abject disregard for the rules by the players or second, the players were never taught the rules by the staff or the staff never brought home the message that you actually had to follow the rules.

My guess is that it was some combination of the two.  The timing couldn't be worse with the NCAA determining punishment for tatgate. 

Being a Michigan fan, there is a little enjoynment watching OSU going through the suffering.  You sure enjoyed our little "day in court" although in retrospect what we did was a fly on an elephant's ass compared to your ordeal.  But once I get past the point of that little smile, I really don't get much pleasure out of watching this unfold.  There is stain that is both upon the conference, which I very much respect and upon the game itself.

What I don't understand, and this may sound arrogant but I believe it is valid, is if this were Michigan, I honestly believe that by now not only would the coach be gone, but the AD and possibly the university president, particularly when Gee seemed at the center of the controversy in terms of his support.  As a Michigan alum, it would be a cold day in hell before I would make a contribution supporting my school until the program was cleaned up.  How some of you keep trivializing these events without calling for heads to roll is simply incomprehensible.

 

 

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

Maybe our guys should do more of the 'stand naked on a sorority front porch' thing intead of helping with charity events.  NCAA seems cool with that.

CGroverL's picture

Do you really think that the Ohio State faithful enjoyed watching Michigan have their "day in court"? You Michigan fans really are lost. Well...besides the fact that you finally figured out that you needed someone from Ohio to bring you from the depths of disgrace. Too bad that you picked Brady Hoke, a man with a 47-50 overall record in his career and a 1-2 bowl record to boot. Yeah!! Good luck with that one, bud. 

Sorry about the animosity, but the Buckeye Nation wants nothing more than for Michigan to have a classy program that does everything right. We also want that Michigan squad to be successful. It can be really tough to make the BCS when you play a pansy on the last regular season game of the year. We want to kill a strong Michigan team, not some team that loses to FCS schools and has coaches that don't know how to read a watch.

I understand that you are a very cool guy. Don't listen to me. Jim Tressel is gone...Terrelle Pryor is gone The bulk of the Ohio State firepower is suspended for the first 5 games of the year and now 3 players including 2 starters are suspended (by the school) for the first game of the year. How many more heads need to roll to make you happy? Would you like it if Smith and Gee were gone? I just want to know what you would want done if you were a Buckeye fan. Most of us Buckeye fans just want to win games. We aren't quite as fancy as you people from TSUN. Please educate us. Really. You teach us that and maybe we can teach you to win football games.

"I hope they're last in everything"

Thanks, Urb!

Roger's picture

You think it was a "fly on an elephant's ass" compared to our ordeal, the NCAA didn't (five major violations later). 

The_Lurker's picture

Former Buckeye Jon Thoma had a conversation about charity event benefits and how confusing it is for a player to know when something is ok and when it isn't (i.e. sometimes you can have a t-shirt and sometimes you cannot). Jon doesn't know the specifics in this particular case, but was speaking about his own experiences, having gone through compliance training and still being confused. You can listen to it (it's fairly short) here.

http://bit.ly/n0gsyB