OSU to Vacate 2010, Place Program on Probation

By Jason Priestas on July 8, 2011 at 12:46p
202 Comments

The Dispatch, citing sources close to the program, is reporting Ohio State will vacate wins from the 2010 season and place the program on probation for two years as part of self-imposed punishment in their response to the NCAA's Notice of Allegations.

Importantly, the school is not suggesting a loss of scholarships or any type of postseason ban.

The university submitted its response to the NCAA today, addressing allegations that then-coach Jim Tressel lied and allowed ineligible players to compete by failing to report that they had sold OSU-issued memorabilia to a tattoo-parlor owner.

Sources familiar with the university's response also told The Dispatch that Ohio State is admitting major violations of NCAA regulations, but says it should not face harsh punishment because no OSU official other than Tressel was aware of player violations. 

This is pretty huge as I imagine most of us were bracing for something much worse. Of course, the NCAA could come back and say the punishment is not enough, but given athletic director Gene Smith's relationship with the organization and the close level of cooperation between the school and the NCAA, there's a chance that the two sides are somewhere in the vicinity of each other on the punishment side of things.

In somewhat related news, Jim Tressel's $250,000 fine has been waived, contradicting a statement from Smith last month that Tressel would still be on the hook for the fine.

UPDATE: Ohio State's response to the NCAA is online. Enjoy your PDF-filled weekend.

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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I saw all those wins.......can't take that away

So what does the probation actually do then if it doesn't keep you from the post season?

Irricoir's picture

Hmm even the Sugar Bowl hmm? I don't care about the season so much as I do about beating the SEC. We all knew it happened but I would still like it in the record books. The NCAA allowed them to play, knowing that they commited infractions. It should stand. Just my opinion and I likely havent thought through every deatail, but I dislike the SEC more than _ichigan even, so I am a little bias.  

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Denny's picture

Big-picture though do you care more about NCAA infractions than one win over an SEC team? Framed that way I'll give up the Sugar Bowl in a heartbeat.

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Bucksfan's picture

I think a lot of us will be feeling that way, Irricoir.  I knew it was coming, but still stings like no other to hear it officially.  Can't believe we're back to hearing the "0-9" bullcrap.  Even when they talk about the Sugar Bowl in the future, it won't be without a verbal asterisk.

Guess when we encounter SEC fans, it's back to the ol' "Sherman was from Ohio, and he got us the only win we that ever mattered."  They HATE that.

cronimi's picture

I'm with you, Irricoir.  While the NCAA might have vacated the bowl win eventually, I see no reason to self-vacate it, as the players were already reinstated by the NCAA, so the only way I could see the NCAA reasonably deciding to vacate the bowl would be if it claimed to have reinstated the players under false pretenses. 

Anyway, 2010 will go down as the lost season....

741's picture

No worries - we will beat an SEC team in a bowl game eventually. Vacating 2010 wins is a small price to pay in the greater scheme of things. I for one will be psyched if the NCAA Infractions Committee accepts our proposed punishment and we move forward from there.

GO BUCKS.

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

Dislike scUM more. Everytime. Not even close. Hate. Mike Hart. Awful.

AcrossTheField11's picture

How realistic is this to be upheld?  Its almost as if we're just hoping there's no scholly redux or post season ban, and the only way to hold on to that thread of hope is to not include them in the self-imposed sanctions. 

If we are, in fact, on the same page with the NCAA and this is upheld without further punishment, I can't wait to see the hateflood that would pour from every media outlet and SEC fanboy across the country. 

I relish the hate.

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

RoweTrain's picture

I'd love for this to be all of the penalties but remember when Tress was only suspended for 2 games?  Didn't last long.

AcrossTheField11's picture

Right... But that was only because Tressel (after the media torched the 2 game ban) made a PR move and said he'd sit out the same length as his players.

Whether or not the NCAA had something to do with this behind the scenes is unknown.

The fact that the NCAA needs to "prove a point" and "make an example" is still concerning but maybe they've decided that the whipping boy can be UNC (whose infractions were much more severe but whose impact on the NCAA's pocketbooks will be a lot less substantial). 

Does that then send a message that some programs are too big for sanctions?  Who knows.  I can't hold out until August 12th to know what's going to happen.  This is obnoxious.

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

RoweTrain's picture

I agree, quite obnoxious.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

We give back that Wisconsin game from last year too, right?

Jason Priestas's picture

No. Losses stand, unfortunately.

Colin's picture

If this is how it ends I consider it the best outcome we could have ever hoped for. The vacated wins were a given but everything else is just a matter of how bad they thought it was.....which maybe it wasn't that bad after all.

....but I realize the NCAA could add on at the hearing, but I'm staying hopeful.

Buckeye in Athens's picture

You're absolutely right. If this is anywhere close to the punishment we get, I will be overjoyed. And recruiting season will just explode. Kalis, Dunn, Adolphus Washington, Dodson... 

elaydin's picture

Someone should look into what 10.1 cases usually result in for a school.

We did impose a post season ban with Jim O'Brien, FWIW.

Scott K's picture

posted by :justingoblue on mgoblog

Cal/ Bozerman- vacated wins, probation.

Minnesota/ Haskins- vacated wins, probation.

Baylor/ Bliss- no OOC games for a year, vacated wins, probation.

IU/ Sampson- probation.

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

elaydin's picture

Saw that (considering I asked there too)

Matt's picture

PROTIP:  NCAA will say one-year bowl ban, 5 lost schollies, one extra year of probation, and you got yourself a deal.

AcrossTheField11's picture

Even a one year bowl ban and a loss of 5 schollies would not be enough (I dont't think) to deter most major recruits that had tOSU interest.  Its when you start talking about multiple years that players start looking elsewhere.

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

We are also vacating Joe Bauserman's scholarship.

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Matt's picture

Don't need a schollie to win the Heisman Trophy #Hauserman2011

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SouthBayBuckeye's picture

It's a celebration, bitch.

 

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AcrossTheField11's picture

Ehh... don't celebrate until (hopefully) August 12th.  I have a feeling these are baseline sanctions and we are still gonna get slammed.  I hate to be the debbie downer but I don't want to get my hopes up only to be stunned in August.

Go Bucks.

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SouthBayBuckeye's picture

I'm talking about Joe Bauserman

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AcrossTheField11's picture

lol in that case, cheers.

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

M Man's picture

Is there a link to a .pdf of the Response yet?  Were there two responses?  One for OSU and one for Tressel?

Matt's picture

I believe this is all still being leaked by sources with no actual documents having surfaced

Jason Priestas's picture

Check the "UPDATE" portion of the post at the top of this page.

M Man's picture

Jason I gotta say; now that we can read it for ourselves, I am pretty stunned by the lack of content in Tressel Response.  Gene Marsh and Bill King are the absolute best in the business.  And they couldn't come up with anything other than how generous Tressel was with charities.  Which is of course true.  And it is true that it is really, really hard to let go of the notion that Tressel is a truly outstanding human being.

But gosh; he must have had no defense given what Gene Marsh wrote (or perhaps more precisely, what he couldn't write) on Tressel's behalf.  I'm disappointed.  I had hoped that Marsh and King would have had more to work with.  It's a sad response for Tressel.

Maestro's picture

I read it, and thought it was appropriately contrite.  What else can you say?  He got caught red handed.  Sure at first I think the federal case held some water in why he didn't act, but eventually he knew that he was toast I think.  Not much else to say.

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Jim's picture

If this is how it ends, the NCAA will end with it.  This is how OSU wishes it to end.  Ha!

I also don't get how Tressel resigned, then he was asked to resign and how he was going to pay the fine and now he is not.

And why the delay in posting the response(s)?  They don't want people to have to deal with this issue over the weekend?  

Keep up the good work Smith and Gee.

Bucks's picture

Not sure why you would have the belief that there is no way the NCAA could accept that response. Might up it a bit, but we just aren't in the category of USC/Oregon(allegedly)/etc. Coach is gone & so is the main player in all of this (Pryor).

Tressel resigned & it was no secret that he was asked/urged to. Not sure why it seems like that is news to you.

Don't know why the delay in response but it is hardly abnormal and as I said last night, a public release of the official response & announcement of filling the vacancy on the same day is a good move.

AcrossTheField11's picture

I agree that the media made this a much bigger issue than it was so the perception remains that the NCAA should go ham on tOSU.  Hopefully, the NCAA goes about this like a judge/jury in a major court trial putting on blinders to whatever nonsense the media has to say and focusing only on the facts of the matter at hand.  This way, hopefully the punishment matches the crime. 

If they're too busy reading Hooley articles and are too worried about saving face and the ramifications of the media if their penalty isn't "harsh enough for the public" then this could get ugly.  I don't have much faith in the NCAA for what its worth from an integrity standpoint, but we'll just have to wait it out.

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

btalbert25's picture

I don't by into this media byass stuff.  It was a huge story.  Then rumors about cars, signing memorabilia, free golf, sweet housing etc, all had some truth to them.  Their just wasn't a smoking gun.  No paper trail.  Why else would the compliance department say they are going to be more strict about policing this kind of stuff.  They are going to do parking lot checks and other things.  They know that things are shady.  These were all big stories.  Even stuff in the Dorhman article that came from annonymous sources and D-bag drug dealers probably had some kernals of truth to them. 

We can carry on all we want about the media failing to mention what was going on at UNC, or the rumors about Oregon.  The media was all over Oregon this spring, the the Ohio State stuff hit.  I remember them jumping all over Bama for what Textbooks?  If it's at a big name school with a big program it's news. 

rampageripster's picture

cue the pissing and moaning from every angle if this is upheld by the NCAA (which is a fairly realistic option, though I expect some schollie losses to be tossed our way as well)

Cause I couldn't go for three

btalbert25's picture

If the only thing the NCAA rules on is the Tressel issue, I can see this being prettty close to valid for the punishment.  Think about it, we have the 5 guys who are suspended for the initial problem.  The team lost it's coach and star QB.  They will lose all of their wins from last year.  That Sugar Bowl victory didn't happen.  And you add 2 years probation.  That may be right now the money.  No need to lose a bowl game if you vacate the one you won with inelligible players and a coach that cheated.  The only thing I think they could add is loss of some scholarships and an extra year of probation.

If looking into some of this other stuff like free golf etc, bears any fruit, then all bets are off.

Bucks's picture

I somewhat expect some form of show-cause order against JT, and potentially a 1 year ban. There is absolutely nothing that should result in scholly reduction, none. The misconduct was limited to Tressel & noone else, had nothing to do with recruiting (which a majority of these violations do), and JT is gone.

Of course, if the NCAA decides to look at tOSU as a repeat offender, it's going to be very bad. Just don't see them doing so.

Pam's picture

The letter from tOSU claims Jim Tressel is "retired" and since he is gone from the program, a show cause order would be meaningless.

Bucks's picture

I don't think that really matters whether he is retired or not? I would expect that the NCAA will rule against him for his actions regardless, even if it amounts to no bearing on his future.

Scott K's picture

He has "retired" so he can be/stay a Buckeye forever, and so that he and his family can be covered under Ohio retirees health insurance plan.

 

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

Ethan's picture

Tressel will always be a Buckeye to the fans. 

The Six Fingered Buckeye's picture

Watch. Since Tress' contract called for an Asst. AD position upon retirement, he'll be back. Not immediately, but within a few years you'll see him wandering the halls of WHAC.

Please, be honest. This is for science.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

Could be why he's attending the hearing...

 

it all makes sense now

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buckeyedude's picture

I have no problem with that, The Six Fingered.

 
 

Nappy's picture

I completely agree with everything you just said.

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beserkr29's picture

I think these are about in-line with what the actual confirmed/proven crimes were.  5 players played that were ineligible due to improper bennies.  Coach Tressel lied about it.  Tressel is gone, the player chosen as the scapegoat has left, and the other 5 players caught up in this Tatgate thing are keeping their mouths shut while working to get better.  OSU is putting itself on probation (I think we'll get another year or two of that from the NCAA), vacating all the games played by the ineligible players, including the Sugar Bowl and hoping for the best.  I can't imagine the NCAA really adding too much to these penalties, despite the ravaging OSU has taken from the media.  Unless the SI allegations had more truth than we've heard.  Too bad we have to wait a month to find out.

Jim's picture

The hearing is in a month where you get on your hands and knees and beg, hopefully with a muzzled Smith and Gee.  Then the NCAA acts upon the evidence and the penalty is imposed, but I don't think it will be in August.

TheSweaterVest's picture

I'd like to congratulate Eastern Michigan on their 20-73 victory.  Ohio Stadium is a tough place to steal a win, but to win while getting outscored by 53 is pretty rare.

Given that OSU played the season with players the head coach knew were ineligible and earned a postseason bid, I can't believe there won't be a postseason ban.

AcrossTheField11's picture

Thats why we're giving up the sugar bowl.  In effect, its saying that the game was never played by Ohio State, as a result of playing those players during the regular season.  The university is hoping that this will be enough to ward off a bowl ban going forward.

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

TheSweaterVest's picture

Giving up the check, too?  Or the check divided by 12, at least?

jbuckeye001's picture

The good news:  That loss to Wisconsin - never happened!

Jim's picture

As a Michigan fan, it doesn't matter. You clearly kicked our butts, regardless of what the NCAA or OSU or anyone else says.  That is why vacating the outcome of games played means little.  Anyone into the game knows the real outcome and hardly sees that as a penalty.

Scott K's picture

Exactly.  Vacating a win doesn't give the victory to the other team (which is what some fans of teams OSU beat last year are saying, which I find hilariously ignorant). 

A win is a win, and a loss is a loss.  Fans and players never forget.  Only the record books do...

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

Scott K's picture

Wrong.  tOSU's record for 2010: 0-1

The loss to Wiscy stands. tOSU vacates the wins, not the losses...

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

NYC Buckeye's picture

Honestly, I am a little disapointed we did not self impose either a small scholarship reduction, or one year post season ban...

I feel this would have been the appropriate pre-emptive response, and possibly provided the NCAA with the faith that our efforts to clean up the program and uphold our high moral standard were sufficient...

the NCAA is clearly not going to agree that this is sufficient punishment, and now the punishment length will be at their complete discretion...

AcrossTheField11's picture

It always was at their discretion... all we do by sanctioning ourselves with post season bans and scholorship reductions is guarentee that we'll get hit with both of those items.  Its almost as if the NCAA takes what we suggests and adds some extra mustard... the less we suggest the less mustard gets added.  I hope thats the case anyways.

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

RBuck's picture

I agree and it was a good move by OSU not to volunteer a postseason ban or scholly penalty. We're going to get those anyway. Let the NCAA save face and keep them limited.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

NC_Buckeye's picture

The NCAA was never going to rubber-stamp our self-imposed penalty. For PR sake they have to make it appear that they are dealing with us "harshly". They have to have a floor from which to add to. This is that floor. I think the NCAA is going to impose a small scholarship reduction for one year and leave it at that. If that happens, I forsee Fickell not missing a beat.

Our vacating the Sugar Bowl is clearly an attempt to allow us to play in a bowl this year... and also qualify us for the B1G CCG. This is very smart and might work.

However, someone correct me if I'm wrong. Can the B1G add to our penalty? Might Delaney prevent us from being eligible for the B1G CCG as a conference punishment? It would take a vote from AD's and I've got to say... we don't have a lot of friends in the conference at this point. That might happen if it's possible.

As far as a Show Cause penalty, does anyone know if that covers any employment by the university or does it only apply to the football program. I'd really like to see Tressel end up in the Athletic Department at some point. He is a great ambassador for the university.

btalbert25's picture

The B1G or Delaney wouldn't want Ohio State to be excluded from this game.  They want Michigan/Ohio State in it every year.  It's ratings gold.  Nebraska/Ohio State isn't a bad option either.  They want those programs in that game every year though.  Add Penn State I guess, but I can't see the B1G eliminating 1 of their 4 golden geese.  Those 4 programs will draw lots of eyeballs all the time. Removing one as an option great reduces the probability that they'll get that blue blood matchup in the championship that they want.

RBuck's picture

Delaney has already brought up that the Buckeyes might be omitted from the B1G championship game if they get a bowl ban. Sorry, I'm too lazy to look for it to provide a link.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

btalbert25's picture

If they get a bowl ban yes, but I don't see him omitting them if there is no bowl ban.

NYC Buckeye's picture

Good point on us setting the floor for them to add too...  I just dont feel like we handed this very well, and thought maybe a stronger self imposed penalty would show everyone we are holding ourselves accountable, which is better than pointing the finger at Tressel and blaming the whole thing on him (which is kind of what we are doing), and vacating wins, which lets all be honest, who cares...  

A stronger self imposed penalty might have upheld our moral standard as THE Ohio State University.... this seems like we are simply trying to minimize the penalty impact for "the university of ohio state"...Guess we will no longer be able to hold our noses up at the SEC, if you cant beat em join em!  

buckeyedude's picture

 Can the B1G add to our penalty? Might Delaney prevent us from being eligible for the B1G CCG as a conference punishment?

I have been asking that exact question since Memorial Day. If,(B1G IF, I know), Ohio State were to go undefeated in the regular season, and Delaney & Co. allowed some other team that OSU beat to the B1G CCG, wouldn't it be a bit of a farce?

 
 

Maestro's picture

Haven't read the comments so SIA stated, but this is essentially a retroactive post-season ban so to speak.  Hope it flies.

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Buckeye_Mafia's picture

SI is only reporting 10 wins (regular season). It said nothing g about the Sugar Bowl victory over Arkansas. We were 11-1, no?

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Buckeye_Mafia's picture

Nevermind....lame!

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nickma71's picture

I read one article that states the NCAA is intending on two years probation. About where I (and all objective people) put it. I can't wait to read Dan Wetzel's column over how 2 years probation isn't enough. Awsome. I don't even think Tressell did too much wrong. I would not have said one word if I was told it is a criminal investigation and is confidential. Bylaws are just that. They are not real laws, and don't take precedence over real investigations.

BuckeyeChief's picture

That's what no one seems to get.

 

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thetruth's picture

Ummmm, but Tressell did tell someone, and that someone was Ted Sarniak. He definately contacted people about the Tat5. Just not the compliance department

nickma71's picture

Nope. He said Pryor shouldn't be haning around with the people he is hanging around with, and didn't provide details. If he provided details, he would be in trouble legaly like the guy is who told Tressell in the first place. I read online he is under investigation for legal misconduct.

Jason Priestas's picture

*Definitely

I remember when you actually knew how to spell.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Just saw that a different player will also serve a 5 game suspension, but no name?

RBuck's picture

Yeah, saw that too. Anybody got an inkling on who it is?

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BuckeyeSki's picture

Sources indicate it may be Ken-yon Rambo

 

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GoBucks713's picture

Would it be Pryor?

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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

My guess is another tat issue. I just hope it's not a player from the SI story because that jackass will feel vindicated.

Scott K's picture

yep, me too...especially since that photo of him at fine line has surfaced....

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Matt's picture

I'd have to assume it was the only player of the 9 current players named in the SI article who wasn't cleared by the subsequent investigation:  those players were defensive back C.J. Barnett, linebacker Dorian Bell, running back Jaamal Berry, running back Bo DeLande, defensive back Zach Domicone, linebacker Storm Klein, linebacker Etienne Sabino, defensive tackle John Simon and defensive end Nathan Williams.

 

Oh please let it be DeLande no whammy no whammy no whammy...

Maestro's picture

or Bell

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Matt's picture

The more I ponder the mystery player, the more I think it's Bell, and it makes sense; if you compare pics of Bell to his pre-OSU times, he has a lot fewer tats, if any; he is from Pitt area and has at least that much connection to Pryor; he was suspended for the year without explanation; and he did not transfer to another school, which might mean that his eligibility problems will follow him wherever he goes.  Perhaps OSU is waiting to see what the NCAA says about his eligibility and then might decrease the season-long suspension.

Also, if you look at the very end of the OSU response to the notice of allegations, the last redaction refers to the mystery player's last name.  It is a very small block of redacted text, and it could reasonably be interpreted to say "Bell's eligibility status..." With the exception of maybe Klein, it is the only last name of the nine above that could fit into the redacted spot.

"The institution understands that seven student-athletes competed while ineligible during
the 2010 football season.  Six of the seven would have been withheld from greater than
one  game had  appropriate institutional officials been aware of their involvement in
violations.  The institution believes that  six of  these student-athletes would have been
reinstated no later than the sixth game of the 2010 season.  (At the time of the printing of
this response,  [Redacted] eligibility status had not been resolved).  As a result, the institution has vacated the all of the games of the 2010 season.  The University does not believe any games should be vacated for the 2009 football season because no institutional staff member knew of the violations during that season." 

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I'm trying to think of a funny way to call out the Detective skills......

Matt's picture

THIS IS THE LAST TIME I TRY TO PROVIDE CONSTRUCTIVE DISCOURSE

Maestro's picture

Hope you are right and it sure makes sense since he was mentioned in the SI article and has already been suspended for the entire season.  Could be reinstated by the NCAA and that would be cool.  Can always use good special teamers.

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Denny's picture

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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Thanks for posting the names. Do you happen to know which of these threatened to lawyer up? Maybe we can dwindle the suspect list a bit. I think Simon and Klein both said they would get attorneys.

Maestro's picture

I kept reading that 8 of the 9 were going to be cleared by the NCAA.  Please don't be Barnett, Williams or Simon that is the odd man out.  Even Klein would hurt pretty badly.

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SouthBayBuckeye's picture

Fromw hat I've read it appears to be Jordan Whiting. 1 game suspension and $150 fine(to charity).

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Maestro's picture

That had already been levied.

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SouthBayBuckeye's picture

Solomon Thomas?

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Maestro's picture

He is part of the Tat 5

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SouthBayBuckeye's picture

Pryor, Posey, Adams, Herron... oh.

 

well, wtf. Why leave the 6th name out?

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Maestro's picture

Well Whiting was always the 6th player, but since his suspension was only for 1 game he wasn't lumped in with the Tat 5.  So maybe he is this other players and people just kinda forgot about him already being punished for a game.  IDK, my head is spinning.

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SouthBayBuckeye's picture

plleeeeeease be Joe Bauserman pleeeeaaassseeee

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Matt's picture

Whoever it is got 12 free tattoos valued at $900.  That is a lot of ink.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

a lot of cheap ink..... $75 a tattoo...... will cost way more to cover up or laser off that cheap ink.

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nickma71's picture

I would worry too much about SI and their fabrications. They hate Tressell, because he isn't sanctimonious. What you see really is what you get. Everybody  that knows him personally says this.

Brutus's picture

This coming from the same guy that called 2 games and $250,000 the "sweet spot" of self-imposed sanctions. If that was the sweet spot, then why is JT gone now. It's clear in reading this response to the NCAA (haven't read it completely yet), that they made JT the villain. He was the problem. No one else knew. This was not a systemic problem with the OSU athletic department. That may very well all be true, but wasn't that true back in March as well when they first imposed those penalties. If so, why is the sweet spot then so different than the sweet spot now? I think it could be one of two things. Either through the course of OSU's continuing contact with the NCAA over the last few months, they realized that getting rid if JT was going to have to be a necessary part of any penalties. If so, then I'm inclined to think that Gene Smith and company may at least be close with the self-imposed sanctions. I think the other possibility is that now, just like back in March, Gene Smith has completely deluded himself into thinking he has hit the sweet spot again. There was an uproar when they announced the two game suspension and sarcastic snickering when they upped it to five. This will be much much worse and as much as I'd like to think that the NCAA can be a fair and unbiased body which will not be swayed by public opinion, I don't believe that is the case. I'm going to brace for much harsher penalties from the NCAA, but then again, I'm really the glass-is-half-full type.

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Say it ain't so Brutus.

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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Wut? If you truly are optimistic then I'm confused. Unless that was a joke of sorts. I do think you're dead on with the influence of public opinion, although it's an uneducated opinion, having an effect on the outcome of the sanctions. If there was more dirt it would have been found, and of course the school is going to say they are increasing their observations of student spending, game tickets, and cars when all that stuff came up and for the most part untrue. That doesn't mean there is more dirt that wasn't found. So we are going to get hammered for kids selling their own stuff, and the coach burying it? That's all that's out there right now, right? Did I miss something? The golf wasn't an issue, the cars were legit, and what else?

Brutus's picture

Sorry, meant to write that I'm the glass-is-half-empty type. I think we'll get additional sanctions but not near the death blow that everyone outside of Ohio is hoping for. I completely agree with RBuck above. Let's not volunteer more than we have to and give the NCAA the opportunity to tack on extra sanctions for appearances.

Scott K's picture

It's been posted (By M1EK) on today's skull ses, but it's def worth a read, if you have time, for a funny schadenfreude experience.  Man, tsun fans are such whinny little bitches...they are pissed, especially by what some of us are writing here at 11W.

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/osu-proposal-vacate-2010-no-scholly-losses-o...

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

billjones's picture

Full disclosure, I am a huge OSU fan.  Nevertheless, as a Michigan graduate (College of LSA, '90), I am qualified to say that Michigan fans are whiney beyotches.  I had a UofM friend tell me last week that he wishes Tressel remained HC now that his systematic program of allowing players extraordinary benefits (which gave OSU a clear advantage in recruting) has been dismantled. 

The punishment has to fit the crime - that is, 5 athletes accepted illegal benefits and the head coach covered it up.  Simple as that.  If rumors of shady dealings were punishable with losses of scholarships and bowl appearances, Northwestern would likely win the conference every year by default.  The media hysteria that has accompanied this (and the Administration's poor handling of it) has blinded folks into thinking that OSU is a rogue program - even OSU fans.  If someone presented hard evidence to substantiate all of the rumors, or, if someone makes a reasonable case (other than, "OSU's DIRTY!!!") based on the LOA why OSU should lose scholarships and forfeit bowl appearances, then I could agree with stiffer penalties.

 

Johnny Ginter's picture

i think that one thing the response does is try and make a really convincing case that this was all on JT, but frankly i feel like OSU's handling of this from the beginning contradicts that. up until JT was fired ("retired"), this was always about the players, and i don't think that's something that will escape the NCAA.

i dunno. i'm not going to complain if the NCAA somehow decides that what OSU has  suggested is sufficient, but personally i think a postseason ban and a relatively small scholarship loss is somewhat justified. JT represents the university, and he lied to the NCAA for basically an entire year. there was a clear chain of command which apparently wasn't followed up on, and part of that could easily be gene smith's fault.

buckeyedude's picture

Would it be unprecedented if the NCAA came back and said, "Uh...we(the NCAA) think you guys(DA Buckeyes) are punishing yourselves waaaaaaay too harshly."

 
 

Roger's picture

First time for everything? (PLEASE GOD!)

GoBucks713's picture

4 star DB Jarrod Wilson out of Akron is giving his verbal

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Ethan's picture

As many have said, I don't see a way where we avoid lost scholarships (5 per yr) and at least a 1 year post-season ban. All told though, even those penalties would be a lot more favorable than I had initially braced for. 

BucksfanXC's picture

You have to give the NCAA room to add on to your proposed punishment, makes them feel important, like they actually did something. So the NCAA will tack on some scholly bans. Not too bad. I'm happy

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

Maestro's picture

In related news WVU loses 3 scholarships and puts self on 2 years probation for Rich Rod and Stewart having too many coaches.  Deemed a failure to monitor by the NCAA and that's all they got.  I think that is encouraging for the OSU verdict.

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Scott K's picture

Man, has the the rest of the frickin world gone completely brain dead?  When, in situations like this, has the saying  "the time/penalty should fit the crime" not been more relavent?

Fact:  Coach committed 10.1 violation by lying on compliance form.

Fact:  Coach knew 2 players were probably ineligible (TP and Posey) for receiving impermisable benefits, which lead to the 10.1 violation

And that's IT.  From what we (and everyone else thank you) know, no one else in the AD knew about the players trading gear until it came out.  That is what you have to go on.  That's what the NCAA listed in their NOA.  I just read the whole 66 page response to the NOA.  No bombshells.  Sorry haters. 

One of the interesting things listed is about the as of yet unidentified player.  He received 11 free tatoos, but reported that he attempted to pay for each of them, but the artist at the shop, including Ed Riffe, refused payment.

 

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I've been asking what else we did to deserve such harsh penalties. Our kids sold their own shit and coach kept his mouth shut. Right? No golf issue, no car issue, nothing else, right?

Scott K's picture

Not in this NOA.  Now, if the NCAA were to revise or submit another NOA, then all bets are off.

Also, look at some of the history of 10.1 violations and the outcomes:

Cal/ Bozerman- vacated wins, probation.

Minnesota/ Haskins- vacated wins, probation.

Baylor/ Bliss- no OOC games for a year, vacated wins, probation.

IU/ Sampson- probation.

So where is the precedent for scholarship losses and a bowl ban?  Giving up the 2010 Sugar Bowl is effectively doing that (kind of).  I know it sounds like homerism, but this is the precedent, and I know everyone outside of Ohio wants a serious blow from the ban hammer, but other than an extra year or two of probation, what more is really deserved here?  There is no listing of lack of institutional control, OR failure to monitor in the NOA.  That's how you lose scholarships and post season play.

Truly, the biggest blow/penalty to the program is the loss of it's coach....even if you understand that he brought it upon himself.

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

Seth9's picture

This line of reasoning is flawed for three major reasons.

1. Precedents are not considered binding by the COI and the sanctions in the USC case were significantly greater than previous sanctions for similar violations. In addition, the noise about enhanced enforcement coming out of the NCAA is also ominous.

2. None of the precedents are applicable in this case because Ohio State is considered a repeat violator, as they conceded in their response to the NCAA, which was not a factor in any of the cases cited above. As a repeat violator, Ohio State will presumably be subject to more significant sanctions than non-violators in comparable cases.

3. The precedents you cite regarding Minnesota and Baylor are inaccurate. Minnesota lost 15 basketball scholarships (5 per year), had a year's postseason ban, took significant recruiting restrictions, and paid back 90% of their NCAA Tournament earnings from the years involving violations. This was tied to a LOIC charge because Haskins violations included organizing academic fraud and then covering it up. The Bliss violations, meanwhile, also included a one-year postseason ban, scholarship reductions, and significant recruiting restrictions. This is because Bliss committed flagrant violations in the fields of both NCAA regulations and basic human decency. 

The NCAA's newly increased commitment to enforcing regulations, OSU's repeat violator status, and OSU's atrocious handling of this situation all lead me to believe that OSU will receive some scholarship reductions (something in the neighborhood of 12 over 3 years) and possibly a one-year bowl ban (which would not be in effect for next season as OSU would definitely appeal on that count). However, with the NCAA apparently looking into the country club thing (and possibly other reports) and various media outlets looking around Columbus, the probability that OSU will escape another NOA is low.

Scott K's picture

I'm fine with that. I only lifted the info from a tsun blog, and didn't re-check it myself as I have no desire to waste that much time...

 

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

"OSU's atrocious handling of this situation"

Pretty sure they complied fully with the investigation, not sure where it's atrocious, unless you are referring to Tress covering up what he knew, and IMO it's hard to refer to that as atrocious. They protected Tress and then fired him once the mostly bogus SI story came out. That was atrocious. And how is it that OSU is a repeat violator? The basketball thing from a few years back?

buckfan77's picture

Your second point is an inaccurate representation of the facts. The NCAA notified OSU they could be considered a repeat offender, but they didn't not officially charge OSU with that violation/status. OSU was simply answering the inquiry as to why this possible charge should not even be considered by the infractions committe. Violations were committed in the past, but OSU corrretly points out how different the violations are in scope, length of time, and in nature. All of which typically places the school firmly away from being considered a repaet offender.

In terms of your conclusions you have let OSU's poor handling of this situation from a PR stand point influence your conclusions about what the final sanctions will be. I fully expect the self-imposed sanctions to be enough with the exception of adding 1 to 3 additional years of probation to the 2 we have given ourseleves.

What almost everyone is missing out on is the probation piece here. OSU is giving the NCAA an easy out to hammer them if any of these additional alligations prove to be true because those violations would be given penalities based on probation not a clean record. If OSU finds any of the other alligations to be true then the LOIC, Repeat Offender, or Failure to Monitor will be used and then the USC type sanctions will come. OSU must be fairly confident that everything else is clean to be taking this approach otherwise they would have asked for an extension and requested all violations/alligations be placed on an updated NOA.

RBuck's picture

Doesn't it have to be considered a major violation in order to break probation? Gene Smith seemed to indicate that yesterday. By major I mean by the institution and not an individual player.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Maestro's picture

77, I think an entirely new NOA would be in order in the case you mention above.  The probation is from this day forward.  Things that happened in the past would not be violations of the probation. 

If they find out more things about Pryor it would probably just lead to another NOA and potentially a postponement of the current hearing scheduled for August until Feb.

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buckfan77's picture

This is true, but if we are on probation and a new NOA is sent the violations that would be made this time will be as a repeat offender, LOIC, or Failure to Monitor. Penalities would be much harsher since OSU is already on probation and one of those charges will be upheld = USC type of sanctions.

Maestro's picture

It all depends on what they find.  If it's a round of golf that wasn't reimbursed I don't think anything requiring a new NOA and hearing will happen.  Remember that the golf accusations occured before TP had even suited up his freshman season.

Failure to monitor just got WVU a loss of 3 whole scholarships.  Not too harsh.

I don't think we are looking at anything close to what USC got because of the acts of our athletic department to cooperate and impose it's own penalties.  Remember that USC essentially told the NCAA in their reply to the NOA to go eff themselves regarding the football allegations.  Not exactly the same as vacating a 12 win season and firing the head coach.

Unless there is a litany of evidence found regarding TP I don't think that it's even worth considering a comparison to USC.

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biggy84's picture

People seem to forget that USC's violations were for 3 sports.

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

WRONG WRONG WRONG

Its would be the same case.  Just reopening the investigation.  Therefore no repeat offender. No LOIC or FTC.  

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Bucks's picture

For the life of me, I cannot fathom why so many people are convinced of a sholly reduction. There are absolutely no recruiting infranctions here, which has almost always been part of the violations count when scholly penalties come into play.

Scholly reductions also come into play when the Lack of Control or Failure to Monitor come into the picture. We don't have that on the docket.

The only way I can see scholly reduction coming into play is if the NCAA chooses to give this repeat offender status, which in that event scholly reductions are the least of our concern. Just don't see this happening.

https://web1.ncaa.org/LSDBi/exec/miSearch

 

^It is worth the time to familiarize with it.

Scott K's picture

This is what our buddy Mandel had to say about scholarships:

"Theoretically, the Committee can still tack on extra charges (two scholarship reductions for each ineligible player used seems within the realm of possibility)"  I have no idea where he gets these numbers, but if that is the case, then we'd be looking at 12 losses per year?  I can't see that happening with no recruiting violations and no LOIC or FTM charges.

I have to say, other than this bit above, this is about the most rational article I've read on the situation to date by main stream media.  i think they're finally starting to f-in wake up and get it.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/07/08/ohio-...
 

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Sorry, I am not as forgiving as you.  Stewey STILL implies the info in the Dorhmann article is legit and even refers to TP as a 'walking-talking violation' because of the 40k allegation. 

Nope.  Not renewing any subscriptions and will not give any of those bastards internet traffic unless it is absolutley necessary. 

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I think his buddy comment was sarcastic as it gets....but I agree that it's one of the more reasonable articles out there when compared to others.

Matt's picture

"In response to a question  on whether he was prepared to go  forward with the student-athletes participating even though he knew that NCAA violations  had occurred, Tressel responded that he understood that the institution was “going to get as our works deserve” and that “we were going to pay the fiddler.”"

Even under cross-examination, he talks like he's in a post-game press conference.  Love this man.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Did we vacate the Sugar Bowl just to look good or something?  I mean unless there is no real way to separate it from the rest of the season, I just dont see the benefit. The NCAA declared the players eligible for that game. 

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Bucks's picture

Not sure, but I will always remember the game so sorry NCAA/OSU/SEC ... it did happen, and we won :P

741's picture

People are forgetting that JT's prior knowledge of the potential violations did not come to light until AFTER the Sugar Bowl... Of course that win is going to be vacated whether we do so voluntarily or not. Totally logical.

Matt's picture

I didn't know the head football coach is the only coach at OSU who reports directly to Gene Smith.  If I was Thad Matta I'd get my whine on.

NeARBuckeye's picture

The media and everyone else can go eff themselves.

1. This is not worse than USC.

2. Did everyone suddenly forget about UNC and Oregon?

3. Oh wait they didn't, people just don't care about those two teams.

I don't get what the big deal is. We lost our Coach, we vacated wins, suspended players for 5 games, and lost our starting QB. What now? Even if we get scholarship reductions, the next battle cry is going to be for a bowl ban, after the bowl ban it's going to be a TV ban, after that it'll be dismantling the program.

The haters aren't gonna stop, but who gives a shit? Let spew whatever trash they want, but unless the NCAA hammers OSU harder than Oregon or UNC, there's no real unjustice here other than having to listen to them whine. We're still going to beat Michigan, so f*** 'em.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

AND WHAT ABOUT AUBURN? HUH?!?! HUH?!?!?!

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Bucksfan's picture

Eyes on the prize...beat Wisconsin, beat Michigan...get to the B1G Championship Game.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

So does this mean we can no longer run the ticker on how many days since we last beat Michigan?

Oh, and just because we offered to sacrifice the Sugar, does that mean we have to?  Sorry, I am just blazing mad that its on the table at all.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

BuckeyeChief's picture

I still have the fuckin' hat and dvd; wearing the hat all through NC/SC/GA/FL this summer. FTW.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

741's picture

Please, the ticker (days since Michigan last beat us) is still running.

#WINNING!

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Since they last beat US..

gawd

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buckeyedude's picture

I've always thought that that "countdown" was idiotic. I wish the Dispatch would finally stop that shit. 

 
 

buckeyedude's picture

Exactly how does one put one's self on probation?

 

Is that like trying to spank yourself?

 
 

Abe Froman's picture

Abe is okay with this since there will be bacon on the table in the morning...

Basking in the wake of mediocrity.....

Roger's picture

I spent an hour and a half today with one of the starters from last years team and discussed this briefly. He seemed to agree with the sentiment that "it doesn't matter, the games still happened". Also seemed pretty distant from the details for the most part.

JakeBuckeye's picture

So you're going to tell us you spent an hour and a half with a starter from last year's team but not mention who it was? Lol.

Roger's picture

It's probably better not to. It wasn't one of the five if that's what you're wondering.

JakeBuckeye's picture

That's not what I was wondering just naturally curious.

Buckeye in Athens's picture

Did he have anything else to say about the team next year? Who looks good, who he thinks should start at wide receiver, running back, or quarterback? How fired up the team is? Are they gelling with Fickell ok? 

Roger's picture

Didn't talk much football. I'll have to remember to grill him next time. :)

Roger's picture

Best tweet ever by Tyvis Powell:
"IDC if OSU get a billion years of Bowl game suspensions or if Bill Cosby is the coach IM STILL GOING TO OSU AND STILL GONE BEAT MICHIGAN!!!!"

http://twitter.com/#!/TyvisPowell_1/status/89504984005230592

Roger's picture

Now someone needs to photoshop the sugar bowl pic of Tress chest bumping Pryor to be Bill Cosby chest bumping Powell.

Maestro's picture

I think that's a SOLID VERBAL.

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biggy84's picture

Powell is awesome!!

MYBLUEHEAVEN's picture

Amazing... Osu deserves an authoritarian thrashing, but rather gave themselves a spineless reprimand that could conceivably be ratified by Gene Smith's cronies within the infractions committee. Whether or not the committees resolve is to punish you further has no baring on Michigan's current renascence, we're killing you on the recruiting scene, and maybe able to turn a few more elite level Ohio recruits before its all said and done. We just plucked Jarrod Wilson who, Duane Long predicts will be a high NFL draft pick, and Kyle Kalis will plausibly dwell as a silent commit to Michigan, just in case one of you crazy Ohioans get the urge to kidnap his dog for adopting the worthier university. So laugh now cry later Bucks!I figure I'll just get my sniffling out the way now!e Long predicts will be a high NFL draft pick, and Kyle Kalis will plausibly dwell as a silent commit to Michigan, just in case one of you crazy Ohioans get the urge to kidnap his dog for adopting the worthier university. So laugh now cry later Bucks!I figure I'll just get my sniffling out the way now!

I like that part in the movie where Joe Pesci stabs the Guy in the trunk while he's still alive... Classic!!!

Pam's picture

Question:  Did you read that mess before you sent it?  There is an "edit" button.  I suggest you use it.

MYBLUEHEAVEN's picture

sorry for the double post...

I like that part in the movie where Joe Pesci stabs the Guy in the trunk while he's still alive... Classic!!!

Pam's picture

That's the least of your problems

iball's picture

+1 Pam. Shut your face Michigan boy. Rich Rod cheated and you guys still suck. Go away.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

741's picture

Yeah, Pam! (hahaha)

Maestro's picture

OSU hadn't offered Wilson by the way.

All you have to do is look at previous 10.1 violations to see that what Ohio State proposed today is perfectly in line with what the NCAA typically hands out for that violation.

Bozeman paid a player and his family $30K.

Haskins paid players several thousands of dollars, approved tutors to do their homework, and oversaw a tutor doing 400 papers for players.

Bliss covered up the murder of a player, paid tuition for players, and committed several recruiting violations.

Sampson lied and lied and lied and called and called and called at 2 programs.

All these coaches lied to the NCAA.  All their programs received probation and vacated wins.  The coaches got show-cause penalties.  That's it.  Wake up and smell reality.

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Bucks's picture

Yep, you are absolutely correct. scUM has shaken the earth with their recruiting, except for they really haven't. Wouldn't know it to look through some of your board comments though, a guy with under .500 winning percentages, and only 3 winning seasons out of 8 is miraculously going to bring that laughable program up north back to the promised land. Good chuckle every time.

Also, yes ... Kalis is a huge blow to us. He is almost certainly silently committed to you guys and just waiting for the right time. Powell as well. He is just biding his time for the exit.

 

Black & Blue Heaven, a majority of your posts ooze you attempting to sound smart. Seperating thoughts, not using words you cannot define yourself & generally acting a fool do not help you in that regard.

Maestro's picture

If OSU doesn't get a multi season post season ban I don't see Dunn bailing, and Kalis might recommit.

The key is to get this whole punishment thing over with in the 2011 season.

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MYBLUEHEAVEN's picture

You right because attempting to sound unintelligent is a much better way to get my point across! You mock Hoke but, exactly how many games has Coach Adam Sandler, I mean Luke Fickell won yet??? Good luck entrusting your program to an unproven 1st year head coach there Buck. I'll take my coach with 3 winning seasons, 8 years HEAD coaching experience and his reputation of turning programs around with a smile, thank-you very much. y much.

I like that part in the movie where Joe Pesci stabs the Guy in the trunk while he's still alive... Classic!!!

poop's picture

You say that now....

biggy84's picture

You can take your coach who has a losing record, was the 4th choice, coached at MAC schools and gets recruits not offered by tOSU. You can take down your RR will rule the B1G shirt and hide it under your fab 5 won no titles poster.

MYBLUEHEAVEN's picture

You can take your coach, who is an inexperienced last resort. Who doesn't instill enough confidence to have the intern tag removed, and if proven unsuccessful, wont even qualify for anything other than a MAC head coaching position. James Ross, Terry Richardson, Joe Bolden, Tom Strobel, Kyle Kalis, and Chris Wormley were all offered by OSU, where you been? Ohio State fired men' s basketball coach Jim O' Brien for recruiting violations and self imposed a one year penalty, including a ban on post-season play and reduction of scholarships.
The Committee on infractions merely placed Ohio State University on three years probation for the violations, so you don't wanna go there. I can easily tell you what to do with your "Tressel for the Senate" t-shirts but with all the Terrelle Pryor for Heisman posters in the closet you probably wont have enough room.

I like that part in the movie where Joe Pesci stabs the Guy in the trunk while he's still alive... Classic!!!

Maestro's picture

Fickell has no interim tag.  Where you been?

To act like it's a unique thing for a player to be offered by OSU and Michigan you must have been living under a rock.  Some choose OSU and some choose Michigan.  See Brionte Dunn, De'van Bogard, Blake Thomas for examples. 

Oh, and by the way counting your chickens before they hatch isn't very wise.  Wormley and Kalis are not even Michigan commits yet.  See Dee Hart for an example.

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MYBLUEHEAVEN's picture

Kyle Kalis to MICHIGAN.... But don't give me Nostradamus credit just yet, just wait till its all said and Dunn :-)... What a way to start the week I tell you... Go Blue!!!Kyle Kalis to MICHIGAN.... But don't give me Nostradamus credit just yet, just wait till its all said and Dunn :-)... What a way to start the week I tell you... Go Blue!!!

I like that part in the movie where Joe Pesci stabs the Guy in the trunk while he's still alive... Classic!!!

Nappy's picture

You are retarded

Fan of bacon since 1981

MYBLUEHEAVEN's picture

Kyle Kalis to MICHIGAN.... But don't give me Nostradamus credit just yet, just wait till its all said and Dunn :-)... What a way to start the week I tell you... Go Blue!!!

I like that part in the movie where Joe Pesci stabs the Guy in the trunk while he's still alive... Classic!!!

Nappy's picture

You are retarded

Fan of bacon since 1981

Scott K's picture

I'm callin it right now: kalis gets beaten like a rented mule by the silver bullets in multiple years.  Can't wait to see the hammer fall on this guy...commit, re-commit, decommit....

Enjoy 4-5 years of mediocrity pal.

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

Bucks's picture

LOL. Little angry there black & blue? Feel the only way scUM wins against us slipping away? Too bad, so sad.

Like I said, enjoy your confidence in a mediocre to poor coach. I'm quite fine with Fickell, and it will be all the better watching a first year coach thump on your "savior."

 

Dingleberry posters like blackieblue go good with morning coffee :)

MYBLUEHEAVEN's picture

When OSU is thriving the rivalry is thriving and generally its better that both universities are immutable. For anyone to pray for OSU's downfall, is just being ridiculous and doesn't genuinely understand the national impact a failing giant such as OSU would wield. Although such a notion is implicit due to the universities history in corruption, it is however unwarranted amid more intelligent opinions. I believe your aversion of Michigan really stems from fear of Michigan's recent recruiting success and morale boost creating a momentum swing in our favor, impeding your domination of the rivalry. You feel your grip on the Ohio recruiting scene slipping, you fear the days of Heisman trophy winners from Ohio donning a Blue and Maize Jersey again, the "Hail to the Victors" fight song serenading Suckeye stadium after a Michigan victory every other year, and YES the dreaded day's of... gasp... JOHN COOPER returning... AH BOOGIE BOOGIE BOOGIE BOOGIE BOOGIE BOOGIE BOO! As far as being angry, what did you say to leave me in such distress??? The nickname you have given me is cute, but lacks witticisms. Such ignorant comments help to amass a negative light on OSU and contributes to the national conception of a state full of senseless, vindictive hillbillies, who like to wear their pants around their shoulders, and mix Jack Daniels in their coffee after a hard day of mopping floors and delivering pizzas.

I like that part in the movie where Joe Pesci stabs the Guy in the trunk while he's still alive... Classic!!!

Bucks's picture

Ahhh. Who is putting words that aren't there? I have absolutely no fear of the laughable team up north. Quite the opposite, I could really care less. I'm not the one repeatedly going to the opposing team forums and trying to fan flames, you are.

I did giggle with girlish glee though when in scUM stadium, watching while it filled, with wolverweasels being in the minority. Rocking that place to O-H-I-O was certainly a beautiful thing.

The hilarity of it, gives way to sadness for you. I would imagine deep down, you know as well as most people outside of scUM that you're the new Notre Dame for quite a few years. Very sorry for the disappointment.

I've never tried Jack in my coffee (Tequila only @ 4:00am even), my mother & grandmother mopped floors and cleaned for 40 years for almost nothing & I did deliver pizzas during my first 2 years in college. So what was/is wrong with that? I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the total ignorance of a post like that. Success breeds envy. Again, sorry for you being a laughingstock.

^^I'm sure you may have a hard time reading that, as it is seperated into different points & not one gigantic running paragraph. Take your time.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Good grief, are you an idiot.

1) Its 'perception' not 'conception', but hey, I guess you only learn that at Domino's orientation and not in places like Ann Abhor (and yeah, that was an 'on-purpose').

2) Just because you dusted off the Thesaurus does not make you smart.  Oh, wait I meant: Simply because you evidence a superior venacular during an episodic excorigation of our program while consulting the a prior written accumulation of said similar excises, there is no empirical evidence of your intellectual superiority. In fact, its more indicative an over-inflated sense of self importance.

Oh, and its 6:01pm CST, and Michigan still sucks.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I almost forgot:

Speaking of fight songs and such; how was it to be swallowed up by a sea of Scarlet? I personally found decible level of the O-H-I-O chant in that abomination of a stadium quite pleasing. 

That shit would never go down at the Shoe you silly little man.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

biggy84's picture

Bolden- not offered by OSU

Hoke- still the fourth choice

Scott K's picture

You must have received your eduation at tsun....it shows in your fab writing skills...

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

buckeyedude's picture

renascence,

 

 ^^^--------------WTF is that? Have you been drinking again, Michelin fan?

I remember all of the Michelin fans on Yahoo! Sports, Sporting News and other sports websites that said, "coaches that make the jump from D-II or D-IAA to D-I don't have a very good success rate."  I remember it like it was yesterday. I remember also all of the Michelin fans weak attempt at coming up with statistics proving their theory.

FAIL!

 
 

elloyd1681's picture

Ha.  Yeah, 'renascence' was my favorite one too.  Pure gold.

MYBLUEHEAVEN's picture

Renascence 1. A new birth or life; a rebirth.
2. A cultural revival; a renaissance.
3. Renascence Renaissance.

Why engage in a discussion of Renaissance that's beyond your comprehension. Stick to the stale sarcasm there Dude!!!

I like that part in the movie where Joe Pesci stabs the Guy in the trunk while he's still alive... Classic!!!

Denny's picture

You shouldn't use a word as its own definition. Not even Joe Pesci would do that.

Taquitos.

Scott K's picture

Beyond the fact that you shouldn't go proclaiming a renascence without one actually taking place.  You guys haven't done ANYTHING yet.  Hiring a new coach and getting a few recruits does not a renascence make...

Winning games over an extended period (say 5 years?) does.  I'd go as far as calling that a renaissance.

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

741's picture

Myblueheaven = nascent grammarian

elloyd1681's picture

Uh, okay, if you say so.  I suppose you are also one  who says 'irregardless'. 

 Hey, it's in the dictionary, it must be legit!

1-9.  Look THAT up in your Funk and Wagnalls....if you know what that is.

 

 

 

Scott K's picture

From the Plain Dealer:

Linebacker Dorian Bell, already suspended for the season because of a different violation, is the new player in Ohio State's response, according to a source.

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

Maestro's picture

Sad for him, as he has been a huge disappointment at OSU, but what a huge sigh of relief IMHO.

Maybe this wakes him up and he becomes a contributor.  Shazier and C. Grant decrease the likelihood of it being a major impact, but we always need solid special teamers and back ups.

vacuuming sucks

Nick's picture

Is it me or is this Will Lyles @ Michigan?

 

http://i.imgur.com/k7ZFA.png

biggy84's picture

Nice! I thought Lyles only associated with good tems. I was wrong.

NeARBuckeye's picture

I just want to point out that ESPN's NCCAFB front page is pointing out how we're 0-9 against the SEC again. 

Leanenaud's picture

Wake me up when ESPN is done sucking the SEC's cock.

biggy84's picture

Me too! I love how former jocks on secpn who were hired for football knowledge are now legal experts and the moral compass.

Leanenaud's picture

I cant watch CFB live without getting angry. I've decided to put it down until the season starts.

biggy84's picture

It won't get any better then either. My tv doesn't get secpn anymore.