Parsing the Case Summary Document

By Jason Priestas on July 24, 2011 at 6:00a
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DOING FINE, THANK YOUIt's been a while.

For a program that spent the better part of the last eight months taking body blows, Friday's release of the NCAA Enforcement Staff Case Summary document was nothing short of peanut butter and chocolate manna raining down on central Ohio.

Not only did the summary absolve Ohio State of the dreaded failure to monitor charge -- and by extension, the more lethal lack of institutional control -- but for once, the timing of the release1 worked in OSU's favor, helping the school effectively neutralize a breathless 10TV report2 that was nothing more than an EXCLUSIVE on what was present in the school's response to the NCAA's Notice of Allegations (page 2-12 if you're curious).

We are not out of the woods just yet. Ohio State must still appear before the NCAA Committee on Infractions August 12th in Indianapolis, but the case summary is an affirmation of the benefits of self-reporting, spawning additional investigations, taking corrective action and working closely with the NCAA. Contrast that approach with USC's path of sparing its football program of any self-punishment and doing things like questioning the authenticity of photos submitted as case evidence.

Teamwork:

The enforcement staff, institution and Tressel are in substantial agreement as to the facts  of both allegations  and that those facts constitute violations  of NCAA legislation.  There are no remaining issues regarding either allegation. 

On the subject of whether or not Ohio State actually self-reported the violations, which is known around these parts, but still not believed to be the case by the lunatic fringe in college football:

The institution conducted an initial investigation, including interviews of the then current student-athletes named in the letter [REDACTED] and [REDACTED]), and submitted a self-report of violations to the NCAA student-athlete reinstatement and enforcement staffs.

And the allegations made by SI's George Dohrmann?

After the notice of allegations was issued, an investigative media report identified other student-athletes who may have been involved with Rife. The staff interviewed each of the nine current student-athletes named in that report, one of whom, , acknowledged his receipt of preferential treatment in the form of free tattoos, as set forth in Allegation No.1.

Following its initial self-report, the institution conducted a review to determine if the violations were more widespread. Football student-athletes were required to indicate whether they had been to Rife's tattoo parlor, received any discounts or sold any awards. Based on those responses, the institution conducted follow-up interviews, but no additional violations were discovered and no other student-athletes were reported to have been involved in violations.

Not exactly 100% accurate.

Though the compliance department is set for an overhaul, the NCAA was satisfied with Ohio State's efforts on that front:

Additionally, the institution followed up on tips it received, through its online reporting portal or otherwise, and notified football student-athletes and staff regarding individuals and circumstances to avoid. On at least two occasions before the violations were discovered, the institution notified football student-athletes and staff regarding individuals who contacted student-athletes online to purchase memorabilia. The institution instructed student-athletes to avoid those individuals and informed student athletes that the sale of institutionally issued athletics awards, equipment and apparel could result in "serious NCAA issues."

Considering the institution's rules education and monitoring efforts, the enforcement staff did not believe a failure to monitor charge was appropriate in this case. Although the institution did not specifically provide education to football student-athletes regarding the sale of institutionally issued athletics awards, apparel and equipment until November 2009 (after many of the violations occurred), the enforcement staff did not believe that such omission rose to the level of a failure to monitor.

That also explains Gene Smith's statement about the athletes not receiving adequate education with regards to the sale of awards after the suspensions were made public in December of 2010.

Finally, what about Tressel's 10.1?  The NCAA enforcement staff, Ohio State and Jim Tressel are in "substantial agreement as to the facts of the allegation and that those facts constitute a violation of NCAA legislation". This will almost certainly mean a multi-year show cause for Tressel, but that's likely moot as his coaching days are, in all likelihood, over at this point, anyway.

It's laughable that so many are saying Ohio State is going to get off easy because the casualties of this episode are real: the departure of Ohio State's greatest coach in a generation, the early exit of a quarterback that had two BCS bowl game MVPs under his belt, five game suspensions for a half dozen key contributors for selling personal property (all totaling less than $15,000), a once-in-a-lifetime streak of Big Ten championships surrendered off the field and last but not least, the specter of hearing about how we have yet to beat an SEC team in a bowl game again.

While we're still many weeks away from any sort of absolute closure, the case summary may be just what we need to move on from our collective funk and ready ourselves for the popping of pads this fall. You know, the part of this we all love so much.

  • 1 Seriously, this was pure Swiss precision. The NCAA sent Ohio State the case summary sometime on Thursday, July 21st and by the time OSU finished with redactions and proofs, the iron was hot.
  • 2 The Dispatch obtained Tressel's NCAA interview transcript via a public records request and shared the document with its Dispatch Broadcast Group sibling 10TV. You should not be surprised that the local TV news outfit decided to get lurid. IS YOUR DENTIST RAPING YOU? FIND OUT AT 11! Seriously, can anyone tell me why 10TV was one of the outfits invited to Gene Smith's fireside chat two weeks ago?
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GoBucks713's picture

Great piece Jason. You should forward this to DURRmann just to show him up. I think buckeye nation let out a collective sigh of relief when the NCAA report came out Friday. 41 days until the Men of the Scarlet and Gray shock the world.

-The Aristocrats!

BrewstersMillions's picture

Excellent work here. It really is astounding when people write something based on facts and not on opinion. I'm pretty sure we won't get too much more from the NCAA, and if that holds true, has there ever been a bigger witch hunt that yielded less? Don't kid yourself, Yahoo and SI were looking for wholesale destruction of OSU football. How many times has something like this been SO publicized yet had such mild reprecussions? I wonder if an Alabama, Florida, or even Notre Dame 'scandal' would have made its way to the cover of SI....

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

buckeyedude's picture

You're exactly right. And one has to laugh when reading the recent article by Dan Wetzel about how "these violations are worse then what USC did." Laughable.

 

 

biggy84's picture

Don't forget that Wetzel is a TSUN boy.

NC_Buckeye's picture

No shit. Wetzel is a scUM alumni. I had no idea. Well, that makes sense now.

Hey, did you know that Dohrmann is a 1995 Notre Dame grad? I kept reading comments from ND blog posters prior to the May 29th article saying that tOSU was going to get hammered and professing to have inside knowledge. Apparently, Dohrmann was bragging to his buddies.

Hey, just noticed that Dohrmann's article is no longer accessible from the SI home page. Wonder if that is intentional.

biggy84's picture

Wetzel has a show in Detroit. Dohrmann was called out by Jason Whitlock, and Dohrmann's buddies (yahoo, cbs, si) came to his defense and started a twitter war.

buckeyedude's picture

As Johnny Carson would say: "I     did    not     know    that."

 

 

Atl-Buck's picture

You left ESecPN off of your list of witch hunters. In their report on Sportscenter last night, one of the first statements out of their mouths was: "Ohio State apparently has an ally within the NCAA." This of course suggest preferential treatment alluding to Gene Smith's work with the NCAA in the past. Not exactly unbiased "reporting". That loud sound you heard was Mark Mays throwing his chair through a the TV screen.

Nerkbuckeye's picture

Well, the Haters (in-particular, that school up north and the SEC) are definitively having a bad weekend. If you haven't listened to any SEC talk (A.K.A. Paul Finebaum) --his talk show was the place for all things bashing TOSU and JT. According to some of the "boys in the south" they should be sending divers into OSU area ponds and rivers to find all the bags of puppies JT has been lying about.  

All I can say that if TOSU was not a threat to SEC domination they would not be expending so much effort in hating the program.

As far as SI is concerned--bush league journalism-- won't be getting any of my attention in the future--and ESPN is not far behind.

 

Anybody have a good analysis as to why some sports journalist seem to have this strange hatred for TOSU football? and for that matter, TOSU?

Scott K's picture

It simply conmes down to $.  tOSU generates huge interest, both by lovers and haters.  Large numbers = large numbers of viewers and web hits, which translate into add revenue.

If you think that all the hacks out there have actual hatred for the Bucks, you're missing the point.  It's just popular to hate on them, and the haters outnumber the lovers.  This means that the more negative press there is, the more that both the lovers AND the haters will tune in.  If it's all just positive, the only ones really reading/watching are the lovers.

Plus, all of the Bucks' success over the past 60 years have made them one of the elite programs in all of cfb.  If you're not a fan of one of the elite programs, you probably don't like them much either.  See: USC, Alabama, Notre Dame (of the past), etc.

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

Nerkbuckeye's picture

I agree with the second point on being hated by other elite programs--but that doesn't explain why sports media hates TOSU.

With all do respect, your explanation on generating interest and $$ doesn't make much sense because if that was the case all the writers would have taken their noses out of Urban Myer, Nick Sabin and Gene Chizic's #sses and would have gone all midevil on Alabama, Florida and Auburn.

I can agree with you in that it just seems to be cool to hate TOSU

[Ed: No political talk, please.]

Scott K's picture

Why doesn't it make much sense?  It's simple:  for every hit or page view a website has, that hit generates ad revenue for them.  The more hits, the more money.  This is also used as a negotiating tool when selling ad space. Companies want to advertise in places where their ads will be seen by the most people.

Ohio State is consistently one of the top 3 larges universities in the US, turning out thousands of grads every year.  Buckeye Nation is one of the largest fan bases in the country (if not the largest), spanning the entire country.  Just as there are more Browns Backers clubs all over the US and World than any other pro team, so too do Buckeye fans support their team, no matter where they are. Buckeye fans travel better than ANY team in the country.  Period.

As far as Florida (only recently good) and Auburn and Bama, no one outside of their relatively small population areas really gives a rats ass about them.  Columbus is the 18th largest city in the US.  The greater Columbus area is about half the population of the entire state of Alabama.   The reach of Ohio State is far greater than that of any of those 3 teams, and I would argue it equals or exceeds those 3 teams combined. 

Unfortunately, when you're as successful as the Bucks have been, especially over the past 10 years, people who don't root for you start to root against you.  Why?  Because no one likes to see the same team, every year, compete for a championship.  Kinda like the Yankees.  You either like them, or root against them.  I take it as a compliment that so many "hate" on the Bucks.  It means they're good.  No one cares about mediocrity (outside of rivalries).  Plus, everyone except a team's fans loves to see Goliath fall.  This generates interest.

Yet another reason so many media outlets have driven this witch hunt into the ground is the situation itself:  Tressel preached doing things the right way, wrote two books on it, and then violated the basic integrity of those books.  The media has crucified him on this apparent hypocrisy, and as a coach this has extended to the university and team. 

Lastly, don't bring politics into it, most especially comparing The Ohio State University with arguably the worst president this great country has ever seen.

Regardless of politics, [Ed: No political talk, please.]...

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

cal3713's picture

+1 (except for bringing in politics after saying not to)

Scott K's picture

I know, even when just stating facts.

Regardless, i agree 100% that politics DO NOT belong on this blog. 

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

Nerkbuckeye's picture

In this thread--Sports IS politics---isn't that what we are discussing? the politics of sports media?

Buckeye in Athens's picture

true, but there's certianly a difference between the "politics" of NCAA rules/sports media and politics pertaining to political parties, presidents, or conservatives/liberals. There isn't a place for the latter on 11W. But the politics of sports media gets a thumbs up. 

Nerkbuckeye's picture

The point I was making was that many people have a un-natural hatred (and sounds like you are one) for [Ed: No political talk, please.], just as many have a un-natural hatred for TOSU. Politics is EVERYWHERE--Washington, Columbus--NCAA, ESPN, SI, Fox Sports, 24/7 College Sports, etc, etc, etc. 

The question is can you control it and be somewhat balanced--unfortunately, many cannot.

Scott K's picture

If you're talking to me, I'll tell you right now that I don't have an "un-natural hatred"  for anyone. I don't like lots of people.  But I don't hate anyone.

That said, don't bring politics in to any thread,  or to any analogy of tOSU.  At best it doesn't work/fit, and at worst it offends. This goes for me as well, of which I'm guilty for responding to the original analogy.  I appologize if I offended anyone.

We've all discussed how the politics of politics have no place on this blog.  Lets keep it that way.....or we all know the ban hammer lurks.....

 

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

BuckPirate1981's picture

[Ed: No political talk, please.]  This why we don't bring politics into these conversations, because now we have to listen to you go on about it, then me, then the next guy.  That having been said, you make for a beautiful point, good sir.  We have become the Yankees, as much as I hate to say that on so very many levels.  Here I'm thinking to myself, "you know, self... Auburn won a national championship.  That's kind of a big deal.  Right?  I'm sure somebody out there cares, right?  The media should be on fire!"  And yet after a google search of "auburn football investigation" just out of curiosity turned up such breaking news journalism as this from oh wait does that say February?  Surely there's something newer than that, oh cool, the NCAA is still investigating and Oregon cares (vacated means you aren't the National Champion, either, Ducks), hmmm this is interesting, but otherwise, nada.  To be fair the same google search on "ohio state football" didn't turn up a lot of breaking news either, just the juicy stuff.  Someone remind me how Google's search engine works again?  Oh and how much of a tool that commentary guy that works for the Dispatch is?  Check and check.  Juicy gets search engine hits and juicy sells adds.  And tools like the aforementioned gentlemen and certain other parties eat it up.  Side note, save yourself a few precious minutes of your life and skip to the bottom on that last one - not out of the woods yet?  I'm sorry but the woods they done come and gone, its all down here from here buddy.  We're Kenny Chesney chill right about now.  Maybe not beach time chill just yet, but I'll settle for football season chill at this point.  Now excuse me as I purge after having spent any time on an ESPiN website.  

Scott K's picture

Wow, that's a big paragraph....with lots of links.....

NO POLITICS ON 11W.  PERIOD.

STOP NOW. EVERYONE. 

THE. END.

 

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

buckeyedude's picture

We're Kenny Chesney chill right about now

 

Don't bring music into the conversation. Some people might get offended. I personally find country music and crap offensive. It needs to STOP NOW!

 

 

Scott K's picture

"...music is golden, and you can always choose your brand..."   Dave Katz/Ekoostik Hookah

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

biggy84's picture

The B1G creating their own network and giving secpn the middle finger probably has a lot more to do with it. By all accounts, Delany rubbed it in as well.

Bucks43201's picture

I defend "ATLBuck" --- I don't think he was "bringing politics" in to it as everybody is saying, with kind of a hyper-sensitive and hpyocritical reaction (see "Scott K")

But, rather, he made a point about JOURNALISM, and how the sports media is just like the regular media --- biased. That's not necessarily a political statement, but more a statement about the lack of professional journalists these days.

By the way, "Scott", if you do want to talk politics --- even though you say "don't bring politics into it", at least get it straight --- [Ed: Seriously, keep the politics off this site].

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

btalbert25's picture

So, I have to agree with people above, let's leave politics out of our comments.  It's irrelevant who you, Scott, the mascott, or myself think is a good president or a bad one, because it really has nothing to do with Ohio State football.

Bucks43201's picture

- 1,000 for being a foolish hypocrite.

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

Denny's picture

Exactly. Publishers are beholden to advertisers. That explains 90% of it.

Taquitos.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Two theories regarding that last question:

1) Lingering dislike of the school because of Woody Hayes and his frequent run-ins with the media. I don't know that there's much to this, since the number of current figures in the media who ever dealt with Hayes is small and getting smaller every year.

2) Continuing fallout from the way the 2006 season ended. That was such an embarrassing loss for the program that it's still commonplace to see people like Mark Schlabach snickering about how the Buckeyes can't win any big games, or win a bowl period, despite the obvious evdience to the contrary.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

Nerkbuckeye's picture

I can go with most of that--maybe hard to see as a Buckeye from the inside. Definitely plausible--but could be the way both of the losing Nat'l Champ games went. Guess that makes us an easy target. 

I just don't buy the money thing because if you can make a lot of money bashing Buckeyes-- couldn't you make more by picking on any big program or a number of programs that has rumors lurking about to gin up controversy?

Controversy is controversy--if it smells......it sells.

Baroclinicity's picture

Forgive me if someone has alredy said this at some point in time; I'm realtively new here.  But since we vacated the 2010 season, Dohrmann should vacate his Pulitzer for that shoddy piece of journalism.

What is it with journalists these days?  Throw a whole bunch of stuff against the wall, see what sticks?  Wish there was some sort of enforcement in that department.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Bucks's picture

Dohrmann was probably one of my bigger concerns when word came out we were the subject of a story by him. I kinda felt like "Here comes the cannonball," but as I read it I started giggling a bit. By the end I was lol'ing pretty loud. The cannon turned into a low end spud gun. The only way I can explain that trainwreck of almost nothing is believing that after their investigation they had almost nothing to report. SO, let's go back 20+ years & fill 3/4 of the entire piece with recycled crap!

Bucks's picture

If some of the general public going balistic would take the time do more than read something & believe it as 100% fact, they would all be better served.

I thought that basic premise of research, fact checking & drawing your own conclusion was part of every adults life lesson bucket. There are a ton though, who just don't seem capable. SI runs their deal? Gospel. Espin continuously runs some of the same stuff over and over again & has every anonymous source under the sun? Gospel. Terrelle is driving a different car every week & sweet discounts on cars institution wide? Gospel.

 

Oh well, the ones who love to detract won't change. tOSU has always brought a ton of ire from those who aren't fans. This entire debacle doesn't help obviously at all but I've never really given two shits about how we are perceived. We'll settle it on the football field.

Atl-Buck's picture

"If some of the general public going balistic would take the time do more than read something & believe it as 100% fact, they would all be better served."

[Ed: No political talk, please.]

Buckeye in Athens's picture

Yeah, sorry, but political discussions are extremely discouraged in comments. No harm this time, but just so you know for the future!

Atl-Buck's picture

At least the editor used the word please when stating not to bring politics in. No problem with that whatsoever. Others declare that I get a -1 (hello 1st grade) or warn me about my future comments. So much for courtesy and civility. Rude, just rude.

Buckeye in Athens's picture

It was not meant to be a warning - I was just letting you (and everyone else) know so one of us mods wouldn't have to edit future political comments. It's all good mate. 

Luke's picture

#teamfootnotes

NW Buckeye's picture

"Not exactly 100% accurate." (according to Doorman) (yes, misspelled on purpose). 

I love how Doorman is sticking to his story.  He has the only 100% accurate accounting of the tat parlor because of some anonymous sleaze source.  The NCAA couldn't guarantee him confidentiality.  Yeah, right.  That's why he did not come forward.  It has nothing to do with his claims being total BS.  Several of the players he accused provided hard fact evidence of no memorabilia traded, no tats received.  Yet Doorman says his source is reliable.  The boob did not come forward because he knows his lies would not live up to cross examination.  That is why we have due process in this country - to ferret out the wannabe heroes who are just liars trying to make a splash.  And, Doorman believing and publishing this source's story is just as grievous if not more so as the misdeeds by Tressel. 

NC_Buckeye's picture

Posted above.

Dohrmann's article no longer has a link on SI's home page.

Scott K's picture

I just did a simple search and found it.  It's up and working.

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

NC_Buckeye's picture

Yeah, the page is still cached in search engines. But my point is that SI no longer has a link to the story on their home page. It's been there pretty much since the story came out but not now. Just seemed strange that they'd remove the link since we're back in the news again.

I might be reaching for something though.

Scott K's picture

It's not just cached in search engines, it's still available on SI.  However, you're right that it's no longer available from a link on the front page, or even from the Bucks home page on SI.  Are you reaching for something?  Perhaps, but the story is almost 2 months old now. Also, the report back from the NCAA says that the SI investigation didn't have stong enough legs to stand up, so that's probably also a reason they quasi burried it...not wanting to look bad of course.

100% accurate my ass Dohrmann....go back to your 1Tb...

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

RBuck's picture

Anybody else hear this promo on the fan this mmorning (paraphrasing):

'On Monday we'll tell you about a new allegation on the Ohio State Buckeyes and how it might affect the NCAA's final ruling. Stay tuned....'

WTF anyway?

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

Question for the 11W staff...if you wrote a story that turned out to be false (think Gibson's free car that he is paying for), how would you handle it?

Jason Priestas's picture

I'd like to think we'd follow-up with a correction of sorts.

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

So you would do the opposite of what the Dispatch and SI have done. That's why I come here first.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

politics, where everyone sucks.

Banned from ATO since June 3rd 2PMish PST

Bucksfan's picture

The ESPiN allegations over the last 2 days that Ohio State has a man on the inside of the NCAA have me most upset.  Ohio State has no less than five guys on the inside at ESPiN: Herbstreit, Spielman, Robert Smith, Jay Crawford (even if it's just as a superfan), and Cris Carter, and there's no question that we're actually worse off in Bristol than anywhere else.  Totally unfair accusation.

I'm royally insulted, as should be anyone who has half a brain cell, to suggest that there is a conspiracy afoot in the offices of the NCAA that favors Ohio State.  The Big Ten should sue ESPN for its TV rights.  The conference is not doing itself any favors by allowing ESPN to make any money at all off broadcasting their games.  It does not help recruiting to have the biggest sports network continually bash the shit out of the premier programs.

And regarding the SEC, the world views of the people down south have almost always been on the wrong side of history.  They can suck it.

Denny's picture

Sometimes things are jokes: remember jokes? They're not so bad, sometimes.

Life becomes far better when you don't take everything so seriously. It's just people talking about sports on the tv.

Taquitos.

Bucksfan's picture

Yeah, there are jokes.  This isn't one.

biggy84's picture

They may try to spin the Gee-Emmerlich connection to further the conspiracy theory. I would think the NCAA would be getting tired of being called corrupt etc. I believe secpn needs the NCAA more than the NCAA needs them.

osukdawg76's picture

I really don't understand all of the hatred that has come out over the past several months regarding the issue.  To clarify, I get it when it comes from our rivals (scUM, Penn State, etc.) inside of the conference that basically are pointing at the NCAA and yelling out "CHEATERS! CHEATER! CHEATERS!"

 

While the NCAA is still a joke, and probably will be for many years to come, I think this investigation is far from the atrocity that most people are trying to make it out.  I know Mark May is probably crying himself to sleep because he can't hammer Ohio State in the long run, especially if the self-imposed sanctions are the only thing that we get.  That being said, he is going to do it anyways and just include the NCAA in his hate-filled spewing.  It's laughable that ESPN actually has allowed it to go on for so long.  Hell, it's the reason that Trev Alberts was fired:  Because he wouldn't be the mindless drone that ESPN wanted him to be.

 

As for Tressel, he's going to get a show clause for a few years, but as most have pointed out, that's moot.  JT is done coaching, especially after this.  We will let the dust settle and clear out, then we will thank him for the great decade of football that he gave us, which will essentially be a gigantic middle finger to the rest of the country once it happens.  We will see it as a day of honor.  The rest of the college football world will see it as if we saying "See?  This man cheated, got away with it, and now we are honoring his cheating."

I, for one, welcome our new coaching overlords.

 

 

Scott K's picture

As a 'Bama fan pointed out to me before any of the proverbial hit the fan:

"Buckeye fans shouldn't worry too much about what people think outside of Buckeye Nation.  The only opinions that really matter are your own."

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

btalbert25's picture

and he was absolutely right.  SEC fans don't care what the rest of the world thinks about their teams.  They are arrogant, ignorant, and intolerable, and they love it.  Maybe all the outrage toward the media is actually self loathing coming out.  There were buckeye fans in the ranks who blasted Tressel for all of this.  There were fans who actually felt ashamed about all this mess, and to an extent agreed with Herbie and others.  We don't hear much from them anymore.  Now it's just OMG ESPN isn't even putting this on their website.  Can you believe that it's the 5th link on their main page? CONSPIRACY CONSPIRACY.

I do think the coverage has been unbalanced, but the people covering this know exactly what kind of reaction and ho many of them they are going to get.  I personally believe that ESPN and other outlets probably have people who monitor blogs like these and see what kind of opinions fans have.  They know what to do to get webhits and drum up ratings. 

We've taken a beating, but also shown we are incredibly thin skinned.  We could learn a little bit from SEC fans.  I know it's not a popular opinion, but they don't give a damn.  Maybe we should follow that lead a little bit and stop caring so much about what the outside world thinks.

Irricoir's picture

You maybe right but I have to hate you for saying

We could learn a little bit from SEC fans.  I know it's not a popular opinion, but they don't give a damn.  Maybe we should follow that lead a little bit and stop caring so much about what the outside world thinks.

Anyhow, interesting view.

 

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

btalbert25's picture

It wasn't easy to say, just think as a fanbase we are quite thin skinned.  I'm not saying that this program has gotten a fair shake.  I'm just suggesting that perhaps the fan reaction, has given the media outlets a little more ammo to work with.

btalbert25's picture

You know why there is negative coverage about Ohio State?  Because people get on blogs, Twitter, email the "journalist" and harrass former Buckeyes in public when they don't agree with Buckeye nation.  Every time a story comes out about another program or a story about this program that is positive, a huge portion of the fan base run to ESPN, SI, CBS Sports and see who has it on their front page.

Here in Cincinnati, when the Doorman article came out, Lance McAllister took to the airwaves when the Reds were playing in one hour, and all he talked about was Tressel, and how he was a hypocrite and a cheat.   A ton of calls came into his show that day.  Most of them talked about ESPN having a hard on to bring down Ohio State.  They talked about how SEC schools cheated, they even ranted about UC.  Not one of them said ANYTHING about Tressel actually cheating.  So then you get the haters calling in.  Lance drug this stuff out for a couple of days because of how much attention it got.  The kicker is, I was ashamed of the Ohio State fans that called and the ridiculous stuff that they were saying. 

IF YOU WANT TO STICK IT TO ESPN, SI, LOCAL BLOWHARDS, AND ALL THE HATERS, IGNORE IT ALL.  DON'T GO ON THEIR WEBSITES, CALL THEIR SHOWS, EMAIL OR TWEET THEM.  THAT GIVES THEM INCENTIVE TO KEEP IT UP. 

It's so simple.  Save conspiracy theories and rants for buckeye blogs like this one.  You can hurt these outlets by just not going on their websites, writing their sponsors with something intelligent not just a rant and a bunch of non sense.  It's Buckeye Nation's response that fuels their uneven coverage, not the haters folks.

JozyMozy's picture

>Ignoring the bullshit

I agree. None of what they affects my life, at all, unless I let it. 

BuckPirate1981's picture

Because I can't help but link to things (I blame the pretty shade of red 11W picked for their hyperlinks, their web developer and google are my enablers... and maybe my ADD), I can't help but now link to  this Dr. Phill I mean Dr. Saturday article that really serves as a case in point, even after the NCAA came out with this statement.  As if they don't come off enough like a petulant child with their tag line of "Ohio State threw Jim Tressel to the NCAA wolves, and it may be working - How come?" the man then goes on to rattle on about how OSU's violations were, in fact, worse than USC, making this that much more of a travesty.  This, after coming across "Once all info is out, OSU saga will end" earlier today in the friendly Columbus media's take on when they'll stop with the shenanigans, essentially cemented two things for me.  1) Haters gonna hate, 2) "journalists" and media outlets will stop putting out OSU related tidbits when well, never - its never gonna happen because it gets them readers/viewers regardless so we may as well just get used to it.  Thankfully we have each other to vent as an internet support group along with things like thousands of days since M!ch!g@n beat OSU in FB to help us get by, keeping our personal anger sharks at bay.  

People tend to inherently find the easy way out of things they don't like to do or grow tired of, such as well their jobs, not to say journalists are any more lazy/douchebags than the rest of us can be. Okay maybe one for sure is.  But as one blog I came across while procrastinating nicely stated, the big loss of the Big Ten preseason awards & picks, rarely accurate despite the often favorable odds, were more a loss for the journalists than the fans.  And we all know they'll continue in our local papers as "what ifs", although maybe w/o the inflammatory appeal of "The Big Ten Hates/Loves Us!"  This is of course, as the blogger notes, because the poor writers and sports broadcasters are out an easy fluff piece, along with those hoards of readers regardless of what was said or written, best off with no thinking on their part actually required to produce.  More than any other day, one they can bank on phoning in.  Ladies and gentleman, OSU is the national media's year round equivalent to these now neutered Big Ten prognostications - guaranteed readers and viewership, with no thinking (other than maybe some hatin' --> OSU = grrrr!) required.  

NC_Buckeye's picture

BTW, ProveIt is on a roll over at OTE. He's really letting the haters have it. I predict that an Iowa fan's head is going to explode.

The guy is a real bull dog. What tenacity! Wished I could buy him a beer.

biggy84's picture

He certainly is on a roll. I love it!