Kalis De-Commits From Ohio State

By Alex on June 21, 2011 at 9:20p
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Bill Greene from Scout just confirmed that Kyle Kalis has de-committed from Ohio State. Kalis, a top five nationally ranked offensive lineman in the country, recently re-affirmed his commitment to Luke Fickell, but apparently has had second thoughts. This is what he said about his decision:

"I did speak to Luke Fickell minutes ago, and I told him I was de-committing from Ohio State. I want to keep all my options open, and will consider several programs going forward, including Ohio State. That's really all I want to say about my recruitment at this time."

This is a big blow for the Buckeyes as it seemed Kalis was headed towards being the "Mike Brewster of this year's class" and was going to help Luke Fickell recruit other players interested in playing for the Buckeyes. On top of this, offensive line is the greatest need for OSU at this time and to stab the knife in the back one more time, it appears that Michigan is now the leader for his services.

The Buckeyes are still in the mix to land Kalis, but after ultimately de-committing twice, I just can't see him ending up in Scarlet and Gray. This move could potentially open the door for other elite recruits to jump ship, and things may not head upwards for the Buckeye recruiting efforts until the final sanctions are levied and a permanent head coach is put in place.

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tampa buckeye's picture

I guess he doesn't want to be a winner.

William's picture

Agreed. It's his choice to do whatever he wants, but I think this speaks volumes about someones character, you promise someone that you're wholeheartedly in, and then you withdraw. Kind of shows that you for a lack of better terms have no balls. Curtis Grant and Braxton Miller don't fear uncertainty, and those are the type of guys I want playing for Ohio State, if you aren't in this with all your heart, leave, because you won't only hurt yourself, you'll hurt the program.

JakeBuckeye's picture

C'mon now William, I respect you a lot on here but let's be honest: The program Kalis commited to isn't the same right now. You can't be mad at him. These kids aren't like us, super fans that will stick with the program through the worst of times.

William's picture

I knew people would view my post as harsh, I wouldn't have a problem with this if he had come right out after Tressel's resignation and said "Look, I need to look around more, I'm unsure and feel that I need to be more certain about my decision." But he didn't do that, he made a promise to Fickell and reaffirmed his commitment, and then broke it. I find that lousy and shallow. I wish him the best of luck wherever he chooses to go, his heart better be in it, I don't want him to commit as a Buckeye unless that is where his heart is.

biggy84's picture

We need a recruit that is firm to rally these guys like the brew crew.

William's picture

Warren Ball maybe?

biggy84's picture

Good choice! Someone to rally the recruits. Murray and Perry seem firmly commited.

thetruth's picture

I'm not sure Buckeye fans had the same reaction when Boren transferred from Michigan. He was a savior with great character. You embraced him with open arms and now this kid is doing the same (which he hasn't committed anywhere yet) and you want to crucify him.

That speaks volumes. He just finished his junior year in High-School. Allow the kid to make an educated decision.

biggy84's picture

Terrible comparison.

Pam's picture

And makes no sense.

thetruth's picture

Ok I will simplify it for you.

Boren commits to playing for Michigan. Boren leaves Michigan breaking his committment. You guys love him.

Kalis committs to OSU. Kalis breaks his committment to OSU. You hate him.

You're right pam it doesn't make much sense

btalbert25's picture

I don't really think any of us hate him.  Infact, most of us kind of understand that we are going to lose commits because of all the uncertainty surrounding the program right now.  I think after the NCAA sanctions, whatever they may be come out, we see a little more stability, and who knows we may end up seeing Kalis come back. 

William's picture

I don't think we get Kalis, he's friends with Strobel, who just committed to UM, and he's headed up to Ann Arbor this weekend.. I stated above that I would have had no problem if Kalis at the onset of our troubles said that he needed to ensure his decision and look around more. Instead he publicly reaffirmed his decision, and gave his word to Fickell, to go back on something like that is lousy.

cal3713's picture

Actually, he probably doesn't want to play for a team that can't go to bowls or win national championships.

tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

at the most---I see a 1-year bowl ban, heck --- 1/2 the kids redshirt for a year, so not a big loss there. I think a lot of people are overracting.

biggy84's picture

No bowls or nc? Getting way ahead of yourself on those assumptions. You sound like opposing coaches and their scare tactics.

LeeNorthbrook's picture

At least he hasn't committed to UM. At least not yet.

What is it with kids who have a Buckeye offer but commit to UM? Do they not understand that they are from Ohio and UM is our greatest rival. Do they not understnd the level of betrayal? The good Doctor probably understood it best...

"It could be, perhaps, that his shoes were too tight.
Or it could be that his head wasn't screwed on just right.
But I think that the most likely reason of all...
may have been that his heart was two sizes too small. "

poop's picture

Here we go. I'm expecting more of this in the next few years.

741's picture

Not me. I think we are close to rock bottom right now at this very moment... Things will start looking up from here or very soon. I'm calling it.

poop's picture

If they take scholarships away, then it's going to affect recruiting big time. There's no way it can't. We need good linemen and this one hurts.

741's picture

I think the upside is we all are expecting worse punishment than will actually be handed down. This BMV closing the door on the improper benefits on cars canard is a big deal. There may be a little bit of sunshine cracking through the dark clouds that descended upon old Columbus town of late. I'm just saying...

Alex's picture

Going to be like this until December when sanctions are levied and a permanent coach is named.

Denny's picture

Luckily, there's booze!

Taquitos.

salberico's picture

I would imagine we'd try to save a little face and self-impose some sort of penalty before December with the hope the NCAA would agree with it.

 

To quote a bitter rival, "Those who stay will be champions".

Bucks's picture

Shame to see & I can only imagine the words whispered/emailed/texted to him about the sky falling & sun never rising again @ tOSU.

Certainly agree with pretty much everything here. Aggravating to some extent mostly b/c of him stating he was absolutely coming after talking to Fickell ... only to decommit a few weeks later.

Prob won't be the end of the losses but whoever goes, goes. We'll compete regardless.

 

 

Bucks's picture

Any rumors as of yet on this new coach? I believe Fickell hinted/stated that could be coming this week.

Jason Priestas's picture

We haven't heard anything yet. Which can only mean we're days away from the reintroduction of the JHC.

P-Rickles's picture

Hell's Horses that sucks. Like I've said a number of times, now we see who the REAL Buckeyes are...

Brandt can't watch, though, or he has to pay $100.

biggy84's picture

If he doesn't want to be here then good riddance. If an Ohio kid doesn't get what it is to be a buckeye, then please don't come. Tradition and desire to play here should be enough despite the tabloid media and their accusations.

flickster's picture

I can understand a kid having second thoughts and being nervous with potential sanctions, etc... but, what I don't understand is that if you are true "Ohio State" guy, how in the world is Michigan even an option.

biggy84's picture

Sanctions sure aren't hurting USC's recruiting.

blazers34's picture

i think they only have 6 schollys to give out this year

biggy84's picture

USC has way more than that, including the overall #1 rated recruit.

blazers34's picture

maybe i heard wrong, but we'll just have to wait and see.  from what i saw they only had 10 kids listed, and im sure they expect some attrition.  Once a coach is named, and sanctions are levied, I expect OSU to be fine.  It will hurt more with the depth IMO

poop's picture

USC recruits itself. Great weather, good school, ladies galore. It's harder to recruit to OSU based on geography alone.

JakeBuckeye's picture

And they have Lane Kiffin, which as much as it hurts to compliment him, he's a damn good recruiter.

Nappy's picture

And they have Lane Kiffin, which as much as it hurts to compliment him, he's a damn good recruiter liar.

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cal3713's picture

They also have a coach and kids know when the sactions will be over.  Those are HUGE factors.

blazers34's picture

I dont blame any of these kids, I just wish they would wait to see how things play out to commit

Bucks's picture

I certainly agree with two different sides here. I can't really fault kids who are unsure of what is going to happen, so want to wait to see. Not every kid that has come to play here was that Ohio State guy from day one, doesn't mean they don't become one.

In this regard though, do not reaffirm & publicly say that so clearly ... only to *poof* oh wait, changed my mind.

 

Buckeye Chuck's picture

That's easy to say when you're just a fan and your future isn't at stake, especially because it's very possible we won't have a definitive answer to how bad it's going to be by next February.

Not having a permanent head coach is going to destroy at least this recruiting class; and sanctions, if they come, will destroy the couple after that. We're going to need Nick Saban-recruiting from the next coach to keep this from being a lost decade.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

biggy84's picture

A look at the NFL rosters with OSU players seems to be a pretty good indicator of future.

Bucks's picture

Not sure if you were referring to my post or someone else's.

If it was to me, don't see where you're coming from. I stated I can see both sides & respect it, BUT if you are going to be on the fence Don't reaffirm after the head coach resigns.

biggy84's picture

Wasn't you. If Meyer or another becomes coach, i don't want to see these guys offered.

cal3713's picture

Ahhh... come on.  He's a fucking 18 year old kid and Fickell pressured him into saying he'd stay.  I'd like to see you tell Fickell something he doesn't want to hear and then hold up to his best persuasion attempts.  Did you know that people have confessed to murder even though they didn't committ the crime... just because the police are so good at getting people to say (and believe) what they want to hear.

Irricoir's picture

Eye roll. SMH

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

William's picture

I said I would have had no problem if he had come out earlier and stated that he needed to look around and ensure that he was confident in his commitment, but when you promise someone and ensure them that you are committed to them and their program, and only go back on that, to me that shows a lack of character. I'm sorry but his future can't be that uncertain, if he's the stud that everyone projects him to be, he shouldn't have a problem making the NFL, because even with sanctions OSU will still constantly churn out NFL prospects.

Pam's picture

"We're going to need Nick Saban-recruiting from the next coach to keep this from being a lost decade."

You mean like offering 10-12 more scholarships than you have? Let's see how Nick does now that the SEC has put limits that are more Big Tenesque.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

I was mostly referring to how quickly Saban rebuilt Bama after their own brush with the NCAA. We're going to need a proven recruiting monster in here, especially now that it looks like Michigan is taking advantage of our issues in a big way.

 

People can say "Screw 'em, we'll just be happy with the kids who know they want to be Buckeyes," but the key to building a great program is landing the ones who didn't know they wanted to be Buckeyes until you convinced them.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

biggy84's picture

Kinda, but not really limits.

JaxBuck2010's picture

I want kids who only want to be Buckeyes Powell and Murray comitted with no problem and not concerned with what was going on or what might happen to the program , when its all said and done there will be a scout from all 32 NFL teams when Ohio State a pro day and all of the games will be televised so there will be no lack of exsposure , and i realize tradition does not play as big a role as it used to but 105,00 screamng fans who would not wanna be apart of that , or that past buckeyes and NFL stars comeback to the program cause your pretty much always a Buckeye for life , If you wann de-commit from ohio state and go elsewhere thats your god given recruiting choce but i only want people who  W A N T to be buckeyes 100% its all or nothing !!!!!

 

biggy84's picture

I couldn't agree more!! Well said!

biggy84's picture

Kalis is reportedly a strong tsun lean according to scout.com.

original buckeye's picture

If a guy bolts when times are getting tough, perhaps OSU is better off without him.

Cross Village's picture

He'll be as confused an indecisive about blocking assignments.....  

He will be a sieve at Wolvertown and get several quarterbacks with buzzard winged helmets dismembered.

 

 

 

 

 

cal3713's picture

Perspective people.  Seriously.  We don't even have a head coach.  This is the most important decision of these kids' lives and we're pissed when they have second thoughts about joining a program with an interim coach and impending sanctions?? 

These kids aren't to blame for their uncertainty and desire to join a stable program.  It's incredibly sad to say, but if you want to blame someone, Jim Tressel is your man.  He fucked up royally and this is the consequence. 

tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

may be....but Smith and Gee have not handled this in the best way ....

Gene Smith says earlier in the week that OSU is considering hiring private investigators?

WTF --- this was clearly a p.r. move, in his view, that says "we're on top of this", but what it really may be is a red flag to the NCAA that OSU's complaince is non-existent and there is a failure to monitor, etc.  if you have to hire private investigators, etc.

 

How does Gene Smith still have a job at OSU?

tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

There is a lot of time between now and February '12.

But, if this kid signs with Michigan --- so be it.

Obviously, we want him at OSU, he's a 4/5 star recruit and he's an Ohio kid. But, wouldn't you rather have the kids that truly want to be Buckeyes?

This is strange, however, coming from somebody, who after talking with Coach Fickell a few weeks ago, was "100 % committed" .... I don't know --- he's just a kid, afterall --- a little emotional, perhaps. BUT, the main thing is , if he commits to Michigan , it's not the end of the world. I'm sure it will make headlines on eSECpn, but guess what --- there is a silver lining in all of this --- true, this would suck, but it would open a hole for another recruit who indeed does want to be a Buckeye. It's Ohio State, there will always, always be top-notch recruits coming to Columbus. Maybe for one season, ('12), the recruiting will be a little shaky, but there's enough stocked blue-chip talent, that the cupboard is not bare, and the recruiting will pick right back up.

Another piece of good news: Evan Goodman (O-Lineman), from Florida made an official visit is a real possibliity.

tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

one more thing: it's amusing to see the Michigan fans all giddy from what they perceive as good news, with an Ohio DL committing to their program and an OSU recruit decommitting and taking an official visit to scUM. But, it's not like they've really earned any of it. Theyre just temporarily benefitting from the current negative news and turmoil at Ohio State. ahhh....Michigan fans...a few recruits are not going to help your 112th ranked defense overnight. Ohio State will still beat Michigan this year, in what may be a "down" year for the Buckeyes. Then, it will be right back to dominance.

Ethan's picture

With Kalis' decommitment, does anyone seriously expect Brionte Dunn to be in the Scarlet and Gray come signing day? Kalis was a "lock" (just like Pittman and Strobel). Dunn has been flaky for months now. With a perceived leader in the class up and bolting, I'd put serious coin against Dunn being a member of this class when it's all said and done. 

Please, for the love of God, let's just land one of Washington or Odenigbo, and load up on guys who "want to be Buckeyes", then kick scUM and every other school in the throat next year after the 2012-and-beyond scene becomes more clear

Ethan's picture

SOURCE: OSU HAS "NO SHOT" AT DUNN, KALIS

Wow. This coming from the family member of an OSU player. These guys aren't just decommitting, they have written off going to OSU. Remember, there are current and former OSU players who went to the same high school as Kalis and Dunn respectively. Word going around at both St. Eds and GlenOak are that the Buckeyes have "no chance" at landing either of them.

 

 

From Biddle, read this morning. 

tampa buckeye's picture

Rod smith.  Problem solved.

Scott K's picture

It ain't over till the fat tackle signs...

Have to agree with what William has stated earlier though.  Dodson looks like the better prospect. 

February is a long way away....can't WAIT to see the REAL Buckeyes get back on the field and start stomping again.

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

O-H-I-Owe-U's picture

Would you sign up to play under Jim Bollman?

Pam's picture

That's enough out of you Herbie

GoBucks713's picture

+100 Pam

-The Aristocrats!

NW Buckeye's picture

Wow, a lot of varied opinions.  My 2 cents.  While this certainly creates a stir because he was a verbal commit and did the dance with Luke, it certainly is not the end of recruiting as we know it.  I don't know the kid, and I certainly can not speak to his character, but if there is this much indecision in his head concerning tOSU, so be it.

I think there are a lot of people on here who despised the roller coaster the TP put everyone through when he made his choice.  They continued to dis him whenever there was any question about his ability or conduct. Do any of us really want to bring in a talent who is waffling in this way?  OK, so he is not exactly doing the TP thing - different circumstances.  But wavering is wavering.  I have had enough of it and would really prefer recruits who act more maturely in the entire process.  Curtis Grant was a great example.  No hoopla, he had his list of favorites, did not commit early to any school, and come signing day he opted for where he really wanted to play. 

My most sincere hope for Kalis is that he finds where he really wants to be and makes that decision by next Feb.  But, please don't draw this out in the press and make a circus of it.  Quite frankly, I am sick and tired of that approach. 

Yes, the current situation will probably see more recruits abandon hopes of playing for the Buckeyes.  But, on the flip side there will be many who really want to be part of what the Buckeyes have to offer.  Maybe that is the silver lining to all of this.  The only thing the coaching staff has to guard against is offering a gung ho kid who really can not play.  Recent history would indicate that will not happen as there were many years that tOSU did not sign the full amount of scholarships they had to offer just to fill roster space.  And, they have proven to be very good evaluators of 2 and 3 star talent. 

I really don't want the mercenaries coming in here to just occupy space. And this circumstance will identify the mercenaries.  Those who truly want to play in the shoe will still be accepting the offers as they come.  However, even with that said, there will be a lot of uncertainty preached from every other school competing for these recruits.    

The real key to this is the requirement for consistency in the coaching ranks for recruits.  For right now, Fickell looks like the right guy for the job.  Nothing would be better than to see him win 5 or 6 games right out of the chute, and have him rewarded with a long term contract mid season.  That may or may not happen.  But, until we have a "permanent" coaching staff on board we will be seeing more stories like this.  I only hope that we can understand the going's on in the heads of 17 or 18 yr olds and wish them well in their pursuit of the holy grail. 

 

Irricoir's picture

For the betterment of the school can they not just name Fickell head coach and not disclose his contract? Be it 1 year or 3 years or what have you. At least he can say in good faith that he is THE coach of the Ohio State Buckeyes. He can also tell kids that he plans on being here long term which in truth is exactly what he intends. If there is some rule or law that makes his contract public knowledge then please excuse my ignorance.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

yes....this is another screw-up by Gene Smith

NW Buckeye's picture

This really was not Gene Smith's decision.  The Board of Trustees is knee deep in this. 

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

I think that since he works for a public institution then his contract would be public domain. unlike what happens at schools like U$C

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Irricoir's picture

Maybe the Buckeyes can leave his contract open then and have a gentlemans agreement as to what happens with Fickell will be determined by how he coaches this season? Just some ideas. I am sure those guys that get paid 6 figures have already thought of this stuff.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

there's no such thing as a gentleman's agreement in corporate america. don't be fooled, the university is essentially a corporation.

Banned from ATO since June 3rd 2PMish PST

Denny's picture

I understand the sentiment, but a one-year contract will do nothing to dispel negative recruiting surrounding the coaching status at OSU. Waiting until after the season is finished completely neuters recruiting. While I love campus and the university, it's the only constant that Fickell and Co have to sell to a bunch of 17/18 year olds right now. That's not going to be enough, and a one-year contract won't do anything to help.

Taquitos.

btalbert25's picture

Isn't it fair to say that the defections and recruits that are passing on Ohio State have just as much to do with the current uncertainty of what penalties the school is going to suffer more so than the coach at this point?  I'm sure Hoke, Dantonio, Bielema and others are out there saying yeah but think about this, you may not get to go to a bowl while you are there.  No national title.  Scholarships are going to be reduced, by the time you are a senior, there will be little talent so even if you are elligible, the team is going to be bad.

The coaching uncertainty doesn't do us any favors either, but I think the NCAA trouble makes a bigger impact.  I don't want to sign Fickel as a head coach just to appease a few recruits.  We don't know how this guy is going to be, and I certainly don't want to have to deal with a bad head coach for 3  years, just because we wanted to keep Dunn and Kalis.

NW Buckeye's picture

Agreed, that is really what my original post was getting at.  It is going to take at least a half of the season before the Board knows if they want Fickell as their guy.  Until then, or whenever the decision is made, don't sweat losing the likes of Kalis and Dunn - there will be plenty other good players who want to be Buckeyes.  And, it seems like everytime we lose one of these guys there are a lot of posters on here lamenting the fact.  It may end up being a down year as far as some are concerned, but there also could be a few like Laurinaitis, Hawk and Smith in the group (none of them were 5 star recruits).  And, remember, Fickell was the position coach for both Laurinaitis and Hawk (not to mention the numerous other LB's we have had in the last 10 years), so he just may have what it takes to make it as a HC.  People haven't started referring to tOSU as Linebacker U for no reason.   

tampa buckeye's picture

You know how you stop the bleeding?  You hire a coach that has won two NC's.  Maybe a guy from ohio that grew up a buckeye fan...if only there was a guy out there.

NW Buckeye's picture

Meyer is your choice, OK.   He may make a good choice, but I just can't understand the "God wants me to coach you" comments.  I think he was pretty much blasted on all the Buckeye blogs for that.  One could argue that OSU would just be jumping from the frying pan into the fire with him. 

tampa buckeye's picture

If fickell wins 10 games or more this year it won't happen.  I was just stating the way to stop the bleeding is with a guy that will turn heads.  These kids know of Meyer they don't really know what Fickell is all about.  I do think Fickell gets 10 plus wins but in the process we lose out on guys like Dunn and Kalis.

NW Buckeye's picture

The real issues with Fickell this summer is the one year interim label and the possibility of major sanctions.  I don't know that Meyer buys you much better at this point, and maybe not so much in the future.  I know there are bloggers (like the one below) who love the guy, but the "God wants you here" statements and the "I'm retiring, well on second thought no.... well that didn't work out so well, I will retire for, you know, health and family issues" could prove to be more of a liability in recruiting than, say, a 10 win Fickell.  Instability is instability whether by "interim" label or by past waffling.  Someone like Hoke or Dantonio would exploit Meyer's retirement fiasco to the fullest, just like they are doing now.  And, most likely it would take at least 2 years of Meyer on board to shake those perceptions.  I mean, I love the guy as a football coach, but I'm not so sure he would make that much difference to the Kalis's and Dunn's of the world.  I do realize my opinion does not matter as we are mere bloggers who will have very little to do with who is actually hired.  One thing I do know is that come December there will be a HC on board with most likely a 5 year contract with options in hand, and the NCAA sanctions will be known.  And, whether the HC is Meyer, a 9-10 win Fickell, or someone else, it will have a calming effect on recruiting and you may see some last minute commits come to the Buckeyes. 

Denny's picture

If Meyer legitimately has health issues, and I'm pretty sure he does, that gives me pause more than distaste in his statements/drama. It's the same reason I'm really reluctant to hope that Dantonio would become our coach, though Meyer is a far better coach than Dantonio is.

Taquitos.

Nappy's picture

My preferred choice is Gary Patterson.  I see similarities between him and Tress and think he would do well in Columbus.  He may not have ties to the state or OSU, but he has recruiting ties to arguably the most talent rich state, a solid history of winning with the less than heralded players and brings a defense first philosophy.  Plus you gotta think that if he would accept a position, the only place I see him bolting for is the NFL meaning it would be an easy sell to recruits that the program is stable.   

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tampa buckeye's picture

A college coach is only as good as his recruiting.  I think Meyer is a great recruiter and would bring a good vibe back to columbus. 

Now if we could talk about this years team a bit.  The Offensive backfield should be nasty with Brax, Smith, berry and boom.  

 T.Y."touchdown y'all" Williams  needs to step up at wr and with his 6'6" frame should be a nice target for Braxton in the red zone.  He could fill the void til posey gets back in the mix.  

D-line should be one of the best in the country.  Big Hank is going to kill it all year and playing next to Simon makes it hard to double him.  The d-line won't be as deep as in the past but they are def as talented.

Thoughts?  anyone interested in talking football for a change.  

biggy84's picture

Incoming freshman Smith may be able to upgrade the wr position immeadiately. Secondary and receiver are the areas that concern me the most.

Jason Priestas's picture

Yep. He is in a great position to get early playing time.

tampa buckeye's picture

Smith did have a big game in the "33" game last weekend.  I still would like to see James Louis start getting some touches as well.  

Secondary I'm not worried about we have the athletes.  Howard, Bryant, Moeller and Barnett are back even D Clarke looked good last season when Barnett and Chimidi went down.

Nappy's picture

He Ate Me and Simon are going to kill fools this year.  Ive been waiting since his commitment to see Sabino play and I hope Fickell brings out the best in him.  With Hall moving to receiver and Smith coming in, and the good chance we'll be running more bubble screens and quick passes, I think the WR will surprise some people.  And Rod Smith + Jaamal Berry should be fun to watch. Corner concerns me but Barnett, Moeller, and Bryant should be solid. My biggest concern is O-line.

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biggy84's picture

O-line depth is a concern. Interested in seeing Hall and Norwell take the next step. Who will be the 3rd linebacker?

Jdadams01's picture

The whole Urban Meyer topic boils down to this for most Buckeye fans (assuming he even wants the job):

-Are we willing to swallow every complaint we ever had about him to get a proven winner and a guy who is absolutely one of the top 5 recruiters in the country?

 

For me, that's a yes. In my opinion, the NCAA is going to vacate the 2010 season, place us on probation, and maybe give us a one year bowl ban. SI and ESPN articles aren't evidence of wrongdoing and so far we haven't seen any new evidence to support the allegations in the media. The players who sold property are already being punished. The coach has been forced out. And the icing on the cake is that every proven violation so far was self reported. Urban would take those sanctions (which I would be just fine with all considering) and run away with recruiting. Assuming he was hired by December, he'd tell recruits that the sanctions barely affect them, OSU is still OSU, and he's there to restore the Buckeyes to glory. He pulls in some high profile uncomitteds and gets a couple kids to swap back to OSU, we finish with a top 15 class and start on next season. The 2013 class has a lot of potential already and becomes a top 5 class. Braxton and the offense are unleashed while our defense stays beast. National Titles and scUM beat downs commence. The world is returned to normal and we all consider the spring and summer of 2011 to be some crazy dream we had.

...a guy can dream, right?

Hoody Wayes's picture

You're not dreamin'. It all sounds plausible, to me.

As far as as most Buckeye fans and the "Urban Meyer topic", it really boils down to the ass-whipping his team, put on ours.

These people need to get over it.

BuckeyeChief's picture

I hope Fickell works out great.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

JOHNBLUEMAZE79's picture

Smart move by this obviously intelligent young warrior de-committing from the ship wreck that's soon to be in Columbus. I'm pretty sure he knows that the sanctions that's due to come will probably have no effect on his class as far as bowl games, forfeited games and schollies etc. Therefore I'm inclined to believe that he took off his OSU shades and saw that the better university is actually up north and that its actually cooler when the grass is bluer on the other side of the gate so to speak. Ah Justin Boren, you know what they say about payback. Looking forward to a Dunn Deal next!!! Sincerely yours....

We got beef...You get your goons and I will bring mines, all 109,901 of them....

BuckeyeChief's picture

So Awesome you don't even know how to spell MAIZE right, unless you meant:

 

A maze is a tour puzzle in the form of a complex branching passage through which the solver must find a route. In everyday speech, both maze and labyrinth denote a complex and confusing series of pathways, but technically the maze is distinguished from the labyrinth, as the labyrinth has a single through-route with twists and turns but without branches, and is not designed to be as difficult to navigate.[1] The pathways and walls in a maze or labyrinth are fixed (pre-determined) – puzzles where the walls and paths can change during the game are categorised as tour puzzles. 

 

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Denny's picture

Ohio has some awesome corn mazes [via having a lot of corn].

Taquitos.

NoVA Buckeye's picture

you'll find more in iowa

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Buckeye in Athens's picture

At 11W we try to be welcoming, even to TSUN fans (besides, lately we've been busy turning on each other). We understand your schedenfreude. In fact, a bit of trashtalk is probably healthy for the biggest rivalry in sports. But, I hope you're ready for some haterballs being thrown your way for this mild bit of trolling. 

That said - I think it is true we might lose Kalis and/or Dunn. It's very possible. But even if we don't sign a single player rated over two stars in this entire class, we will be fine. There is no learning a new offensive system installation and our cupboard is very full. 

JOHNBLUEMAZE79's picture

Sticks and stones my friends :-)!!!

We got beef...You get your goons and I will bring mines, all 109,901 of them....

BuckeyeChief's picture

You must be really bored. I'm done talking to you.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Buckeye in Athens's picture

It's probably that banned TOSU guy.. 

Jdadams01's picture

Silly little scUM fans with their cute little football team.

NoVA Buckeye's picture

and their cute soon-to-be-named mascot

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biggy84's picture

How is your probation going? Do you guys (term used very loosely) even play H.S. football up there? Is there a reason that your best hope is that you can poach a recruit from Ohio? How about your new coach with a losing record that wasn't even your 4th choice? Ah yes, you all believe a %#*(@n man will save you. How did Carr do? Wasn't he a tsun man too? Still having trouble sitting after the ass beating Appalachian St gave your beloved in your own house? Still sore that Mississippi St beat your boys like a rented mule? I can clearly see why you think your team is great. Just wondering.

Jim's picture

Our probation is going just fine, thank you.  We appreciate your concerns and will be happy to share with you just how much fun this NCAA stuff can be.  Rumor has it that your fine institution of higher learning, relatively speaking, may be up for its own review of a few low profile issues like a coach, a trusted leader of men, lying. Our penalties, just in case you hadn't noticed, were minor and won't stand in our way much longer and are not impacting our recruiting.  But, hey, why worry when there are great memories of games  in the recent past against powerhouse schools like Purdue to lose.

On a slightly different topic, the one this thread is about, how can you blame these kids from not signing on the dotted line.  What you have right now is uncertainty in your program.  You don't know who your coach will be nor do you know who the next coach's hires will be.  Do you think maybe a kid would like to know whom he will be playing for?  Maybe he would like to think his position coach will be there for him for several years?  Or even know his name?  Minor stuff. 

You also don't know if you will lose scholarships and if so, how many.  Should you get the same treatment as USC, the loss of 30 scholarships is huge. While I am not saying that will happen, it is certainly possible. That would impact most programs for a decade and as much as you would like to think you are equal to USC, you aren't.  Columbus or Pasadena in January - tough call.  So, don't blame a 17 year old kid for trying to eliminate some uncertainty from his future.

GoBucks713's picture

Appalachain State = FCS > Purdue = B1G ??? Only a Meatchicken man would think this were true. Don't forget about Toledo in your own house.

Ill take losing to a conference opponent in their house any day of the week over losing to an FBS school or a MAC school at home.

I'll take beating an SEC school in a BCS game over Losing 52 to 14 to an SEC school in the Gator Bowl any day of the week.

I'll take Nine Inch Nails over Insane Clown Posse any day of the week.

I'll take Joe Walsh over Bob Seger any day of the week

I'll take Devo over The Romantics any day of the week

I'll take Dave Grohl over Kid Rock any day of the week

I'll take the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, the Black Keys, New Bomb Turks, WATERSHED, Guided By Voices, The Breeders, Afghan Wigs, Moth, Hawthorne Heights, or Bitch Magnet over any Indie Band from TTUN

TTUN can't even match Bone Thugs

And don't even bring Motown into the arguement because Smokey Robinson is the only one from TTUN.

 

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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Isn't Jack White from Detroit? Love everything he does.

Denny's picture

Mayer Hawthorne is from Ann Arbor too. Makes me sad, but he's got jams.

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GoBucks713's picture

Both of you need to turn in your Scarlet and Gray cards now. No praise is to be given to ANYTHING in MI other than it's demise. I don't even let Domino's, Little Caesar's, or Hungry Howie's pizza to be eaten in my house. Ann Arbor is a whore.

-The Aristocrats!

Denny's picture

Or we could be adults and just appreciate nice things?

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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

His comment made me avoid "Motown" but yes, Mayer is nice.

biggy84's picture

Well stated 713!!

Jim's picture

You should have quit while you were ahead and left it at App. State, 713.  If you weren't at that game, you don't know what you missed.

I live near Columbus and have also had an A2 presence for years.  Ann Arbor is known as a great college town, with restaurants that I will put up against any in Coilumbus in a town a fraction of the size. You have it all there, from Shakespeare to hard rock, and a major pavilion is just up the road near Detroit, called Auburn Hills, where the Pistons play.  You know, pro hoops, like pro football.  Sorry, pro sports in Columbus are indeed an afterthought.  Speaking of Detroit, they actually have a real airport, one that flies to the cities you really want to go to without three stops along the way.  Never heard of anyone in a hurry to move to Columbus, although it seems better than Cleveland.

Musicians...yeah, Michigan never produced any. Check this if you want to find a few:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Musicians_from_Michigan 

Then there is the little subject of academics...Michigan has about 200 majors. I think you know how most of their programs are ranked...save yourself the pain and don't bother checking, particularly the grad schools. That will hurt big time.  But assuming you actually attended OSU, why would academics matter.  That isn't why we go to school anyway.

I came on here to post about the topic at hand, but couldn't resist when you took the shot at the school up north.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

In summary, being close to Detroit makes AA better than Columbus.

hmmmmmm, google images disagrees with you.

 

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biggy84's picture

If Detroit is sooooo great, why do you live in Columbus? Your tsun education has prepared you for going on another team's site to profess your superiority? The rock and roll hall of fame is in Detroit?  Is ann arbor in Detroit Jimmy? How about the crime rate in your beloved Detroit? Thanks for clearing up those things.

btw, were you named after Coach Tressel?

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Ann Arbor sucks, so does the food and surrounding area. Traveling the entire NE US, AA was an armpit. E Lansing was much better than AA....or at least it was much cleaner.

The vast majority of the musician list was sad BTW. Maynard was born in Ohio so we get to, and will claim him.

I will admit to the Detroit Airport being one of the best I've been to.

Jim's picture

Dude, if you don't like Ann Arbor, you are letting your dislike for my team blind you.  It is a a great little city.  Don't take my word for it, look at just about every article that ever talks about small cities and see where it is ranked.  Great public school system, very safe, lots of good jobs, including high tech, a zillion excellent restaurants, probably the best bakery and deli in the US in Zingermans.  Ever been on Main Street when things are hopping?  Didn't think so.  What did you do, get lost and end up at the county land fill?

The only other town in the B1G that I think bests A2 is Madison, but it is six times larger and a ton harder to get in and out of.

As for musicians, you obviously didn't go through the whole list.  Check this one out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Michigan

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Denny's picture

FWIW, Ann Arbor is one of the three or four towns that are cited often in College Park as examples of great college-town communities. College Park as-is is a god-awful nightmare, but at least they're looking into how to improve. I feel like OSU's campus might be a better blueprint based largely on student body, shared history (exurb-located agricultural school founded in the late 1800s, only to be enveloped by sprawl later on), and campus size - but if the city wants to have a college-town feel, they could do far worse than look to AA as a model.

But I must say your claim of a 'zillion' excellent restaurants is quite dubious. 

Also, High Street hops plenty but I am sure you're being blissfully troll-ignorant.

Taquitos.

biggy84's picture

Dress up ann arbor all you want but it's like polishing a turd.

GoBucks713's picture

The Palace's back yard is a Garbage dump for God's sake. How in the world can you call that a major pavilion? All you have to do is go up the hill on Lapeer Rd and find that out. I lived in MI for 6 years. All they have Downtown Detroit are bad Casinos, and Murders. The least that city could have done was keep the old Tiger Stadium up and running, and that looks like the rest of the city now.  I tried to take the wife to a Concert at the Fox theater after a Tigers game and had a gun put in my face. The worst you get in Columbus walking downtown is a bum asking for change or a cigarette.

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Denny's picture

First paragraph aside, I don't think there's a much that can be said to refute what you've pointed out. I can't blame the kids for de-committing. Most kids commit to a particular coach more than the school. I don't think we'll get hit with USC-level sanctions, but the lack of a coach and the looming potential for sanctions combine to make an extremely uncertain situation.

On a purely analytical level, I can't be mad at the guys who are backing out for walking away from a future that's so cloudy. Throw in negative recruiting done by other schools (I generally despise negative recruiting, but uncertainty-type stuff given our current situation is fair), and the emotions of being 17 years old, and I don't think that we can reasonably be mad at these guys.

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Pam's picture

Over practicing is a major violation.  Lying about is too.  You don't get 3 years probation for "minor" violations. 

BuckeyeSki's picture

Over practicing is a major violation Pam, but scUM is a minor football program

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Pam's picture

Sad but true. Them getting popped warranted about 10 minutes of coverage.

btalbert25's picture

I saw a post earlier about if Ohio State fans would accept Urban as their coach, and I have to say living in a state where a similar coaching search took place, the answer is absolutely they would.  Before John Calipari was named UK's head coach, UK fans(in my experience anyway) always called Calipari a cheater and they hated all the "thugs" he recruited.  Fast forward a couple of years and in the state of Kentucky he is a saint who has never done anything wrong.  The commone response when his character is questioned is, "Well it was the kids who cheated, not him."  They defend him passionately.  The same people who were always bashing him 5 years ago.

In my opinion, there may be some grumbling at first, but once he delievers that first top 3 class, it will be largely forgotten.  We'll all gush over the relationship he shares with Braxton, or Ohio States version of Alex Smith or Tim Tebow.  Hell, some of the more devout followers may even FB message or Tweet recruits telling them God wants them to play at Ohio State.  I would say by the time he coached his first game at Ohio State, most of Buckeye nation would be in love with their new coach.

biggy84's picture

Calipari also embraced the culture and made a huge effort to reach out to the old guard fans (Wheeler's Pharmacy).

btalbert25's picture

No doubt, he has, but putting together 3 incredible recruiting classes with an Elite 8 and Final Four is what really matters.  If Urban is the guy in the end, and he puts together that kind of success in recruiting and on the field that quickly, Ohio State fans are mostly going to love him.

biggy84's picture

Agreed. Meyer will understand the fan base and culture. Most of my KY friends will readily admit that as long as Cal wins a title they don't really care about probation. I may not agree, but at least they are honest.

M Man's picture

 

Oh, Pam.  This is such a disappointment to me because you usually demonstrate a fine mix of good  information, passion, and reasonableness.

Michigan's "Stretchgate" was pretty much a joke, from start to finish.  The whole thing was initiated by a single newspaper story that was shown to be wildly inaccurate.  The real investigation showed nothing other than a hyper-technical violation of Countable Athletically Related Activities, with pre-practice "stretching" time having not been properly accounted for.  In mere minutes per week. 

The other violations had to do with two graduate assistants whose non-coaching official job descriptions should have disqualified them from observing some summertime voluntary drills organized by players.  And one graduate assistant who did give a false statement to investigators and who was in part rooted out by Michigan's own investigation team, was summarily dismissed but nevertheless provided further cooperation to the NCAA, including a voluntary hearing appearance after his Michigan termination.

It is so dizzyingly minor by all reasonable accounts, and by comparsion to any big-name collegiate football investigation, that it becomes all the more laughable the more anyone understands it.  Including, not insignificantly, the NCAA's abandonment of the charge levied personally agianst Rich Rodriguez that he "failed to promote an atmosphere of compliance."

As for the very sad end of Coach Tressel and the current investigation of OSU, I'm a lot more sympathetic to your cause, Pam, than you appear to have been to Michigan.  The feeling I got in hearing Coach Tressel resign is one of cold, sad, numbness.  And I share your rage at the way that Sports Illustrated and ESPN seem to be circling like media vultures.  My pleasure/schadenfreude level is less than zero.

All the best to you Pam.  I'm sure you will write more good comments in the future.

biggy84's picture

Selling your own belongings is a minor offense as well. They earned something and sold it. The ncaa wouldn't have had a problem if they had already graduated. Wild accusations, media condemning, other fan bases (not you, but many of your bretheren), lemmings that believe everything they read forget that.

Pam's picture

You are "disappointed"because I accurately called over-practicing a major violation?  It may be "minor" in our minds, but the NCAA classifies it as "major" hence 3 years probation.  I hardly see how that makes my contributions less of a "fine mix of good  information, passion, and reasonableness." I know all about what happened at UM, who said what and who got fired etc. I never post something I can't back up.

I have taken zero pleasure in UM's troubles on and off the field, especially on the field.  The rivalry has taken a huge hit and that is not good for either school, the Big Ten and CFB in general. I never thought RR was fit to shine Lloyd Carr's shoes let along fill them. I sincerely hope that Hoke can turn things around up north. I am more than sympathetic, I want games like '05 and '06 every year.  I love beating you guys but, the last few years have not been as satisfying as say the '05 and '06. 

 I have always had respect for you and consider your comments a "fine mix of good  information, passion, and reasonableness" If you read the post I was commenting on, you would see that not all M men share those qualities with you.

Peace

 

JOHNBLUEMAZE79's picture

Detroit as a city has done way more than Columbus and Cleveland combined in music, sports, culture etc etc. Your whole state has never won an NBA crown and your last hope pulled his drawers down and took a hot steamy crap all over the state of Ohio in front of the world...classic... Cleveland is a garbage dump on its way to looking just like Detroit and Columbus is no where close or even compare to a world class city such as AA! You representatives of that school in Ohio throw a million baseless shit shots and and hope something stick but its cool and hilarious because you see in the words of your shameful ex king LB, no matter how much you talk to make yourself feel good for now, you still gotta go back to your crappy lives in dealing with your nasty sanctions. You act like TSIO don't eat off our plate, Pepper Johnson,Vernon Gholston, Big John Hankins and don't forget it was a Michigan Qb (Craig Krenzel) who won JT his questionable 1st crown sooo... That high and mighty act is for them Nebraska cats who don't know how you Hicks operate yet,we know! Don't be mad because more Michigan guys are loyal and would rather go to USC than betray us and be seen in scarlet and grey and Ohio guys wanna escape the hillbilly life and wanna date girls who got all their teeth and don't share their last name. Ohio has nothing to offer and if wasn't for Detroit and Motor City, you guys a still be walking yours mules and trading your horses for Continental dollars. Cheers!!!

We got beef...You get your goons and I will bring mines, all 109,901 of them....

William's picture

Well considering that Detroit looks like Dresden after World War II, a lot of your claims are completely baseless and idiotic. Columbus is one of the Top 10 fastest growing cities in the US, joining the likes of Raleigh and Austin. While Ann Arbor is nice, I have relatives in Plymouth which is relatively close, Detroit is a complete shithole. And dealing with music, declaring that Detroit did more for music is all based upon preference. Joe Walsh and Dave Grohl are both from Ohio and I'd argue that Walsh did more with the Eagles and his solo career, and that Grohl has done more with Nirvana and Foo Fighters than most Michigan born artists. I would respect you if you were a civil commenter like M Man, who despite being a Michigan fan is able to post extremely well thought out and civil responses on an OSU board. You on the other hand have not provided any facts, but are making wildly ignorant claims. Get off this site and go back to your shithole of a state, it really is sad with what has become of Detroit, then again it is very representative of some of its inhabitants. You're the perfect posterchild for that city, wallowing in despair you lash out at those who are better than you.

biggy84's picture

Where was Bo from? At least you didn't talk about our nuts again.

NoVA Buckeye's picture

detroit is in the midst of an economic depression. therefore, your argument is invalid. get off our blog you damn troll

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JOHNBLUEMAZE79's picture

However I live in Marietta GA in a 3 bed 2 bath 2 car garage on the hill drive a Volvo and a mini van with a old school 77 LTD that probably cost more than your new school so I'm hardly wallowing in despair grasshopper :-) and as far as the personal choice in music being the base in how much more successful your music town is over ours is just plain weak, the numbers and history especially don't lie. Detroit is falling by the wayside, much like your program, because of politics but if and when the city decides its resurgence, it will blow any one of your major cities away. Hell its still more to do now in Detroit than there is to do in Cleveland or Columbus even with Detroit being in peril so what's that say about your town. We got hockey town, we pack the Big House with more than you, our Junior College buddies in East Lansing is better than your second best, our Pistons have 3 crowns your Cavs have... um.... our Tigers are better hell our Lion's are better we just a better sports town and an all around better class of personality my baby, peep game! You can't expect me to take shots and not throw none back I mean this is the hometown of Joe Louis, Tommy Hearns, Micheal Moore, and Floyd Mayweither and y'all got(birds chirping) oh ok so you know what's up. Its all out of fun but if you offended personally by what I write then I'm talking to you. Very funny about the nuts but every time I see a TSUN acronym I know you tasting Hokes just fine because you all wasn't even saying that until you realized he was making it known to the world that your name just wasn't worth mentioning :-)!!! Cheers

We got beef...You get your goons and I will bring mines, all 109,901 of them....

Denny's picture

Good thing Volvo's never promised that owning one of their cars would improve one's diction.

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SouthBayBuckeye's picture

I've never had any ladies complain about the size of my diction, sir.

 

-looks up definition of diction- wait, what?

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JOHNBLUEMAZE79's picture

why, because I don't write with my pinky out. I would love to keep it geared towards the rivalry and less personal than have you sophisticate my writing style Denny. Don't act like the dude who gets his new shoes stepped on 3 times by the same goon and just mumbles and curses under his breath, we all hate that guy...

We got beef...You get your goons and I will bring mines, all 109,901 of them....

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

I think I speak for everyone when I say that you don't make a whole lot of sense. Maybe you write how you speak or vice versa.

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JOHNBLUEMAZE79's picture

Maybe or just maybe the truth about your dysfunctional little program is hurting your little feelings more so than my cave man style of writing.

We got beef...You get your goons and I will bring mines, all 109,901 of them....

Nappy's picture

Are these the 109,901 goons you speak of?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E5gPKBD_tM

 

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SouthBayBuckeye's picture

the 109,901 goons that sit on their hands

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SouthBayBuckeye's picture

there are no feelings on the internet

 

or maybe it's your "caveman" style of writing maybe it's jack bauer and a volvo mini van house on hill michigan grady hoke.

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JOHNBLUEMAZE79's picture

ha ha good one, I got to let than one breath.

We got beef...You get your goons and I will bring mines, all 109,901 of them....

biggy84's picture

AA is so great that you live where? Easy E called and wants his look back.

JOHNBLUEMAZE79's picture

flattery a get you everywhere south bay :-)

We got beef...You get your goons and I will bring mines, all 109,901 of them....

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SouthBayBuckeye's picture

i know the internet is new in gerogia, but try hitting reply.

 

that little piece of advice is free.

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