Define "Hurt", Please

By Chris Lauderback on June 11, 2011 at 6:00a
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33-30 record over 5 years? No thanks. 

Following news that NCAA investigators left the Ohio State campus over a week ago (I call 'no comebacks'), USA Today was one of many outlets examining how other big time programs have fared in the wake of major sanctions and suggested they are too big to be hurt.  

Specifically, the programs in Tuscaloosa and Coral Gables were reviewed noting Miami won the 2001 national championship following major sanctions levied in 1995 while the Crimson Tide captured the crystal in 2009 after having the NCAA rule book thrown at them in 2002. 

As shell-shocked OSU fans, it's certainly welcome news that these two schools were able to rebound and win a national championship in under seven years after the hammer dropped but that doesn't mean the return to glory didn't hurt like a figure four leglock applied flawlessly to both pride and record book. 

So, how do you define "hurt" or have you chosen to not give it much thought allowing your brain to rest from the potentially bad news? Let's look at some of the pain felt by each program. 

The NCAA took The U behind the woodshed in the form of a Lack of Instutional Control finding in December of 1995 resulting in a one year post-season ban, three years of probation and a reduction of 31 scholarships. The stiff penalties were the result of players receiving in the neighborhood of $400k in impermissable benefits in addition to another 141 football players receiving a combined $223k in impermissable financial aid. A lesser (and much cooler) finding noted players were paid $20 - $200 for touchdowns or crushing hits. 

Quickly digesting the penalties, the 1995 'Canes opted to take their bowl ban that same season, skipping what would've likely been an Orange Bowl appearance to end an 8-3 campaign, in case they pulled off an undefeated regular season in '96. The result? A hard to respect 9-3 record with losses to Florida State and Virginia Tech by a combined 32 points plus a 31-6 drubbing at home to East Carolina. I can't even imagine. 

Terrifyingly, the 1997 season was even worse as the 'Canes posted a 5-6 mark including 3-3 at home, becoming the first Miami squad since '79 to post a losing record. The bottoming out featured four straight losses, one a 47-0 shutout at the hands of Florida State. Rebounding with three straight wins against powers Boston College, Temple and Arkansas State, the 'Canes then lost two of three, one a two point loss at Virginia Tech and the other a 20 point loss at home to Syracuse to euthanize the season. Oh, the humanity. 

In the mediocre Big East, Miami went a decidedly meh 18-7 over the '98 and '99 seasons boasting wins in the Micron PC and Gator Bowl's "respectively", while getting swept by rivals Virginia Tech and Florida State each season. 

The 'Canes finally turned the corner in 2000 going 11-1 in a prelude to the undefeated 2001 championship season and won 12 more games in 2002 before OSU knocked them off in the title tilt. Miami even won another 11 games in 2003. 

So, big time Miami eventually did pick themselves from the mat but the hurt was far from minimal. 

Just as Miami was reestablishing their program, in February of 2002 Alabama was slapped with five years probation, a two year postseason ban and a reduction of 21 scholarships over three years, the result of nearly a dozen major violations. One recruit and his family received $20k worth of benefits including $10,000 in cash from boosters while another was given a car for his oral pledge to 'Bama. The wheels were later repo'd when the kid transferred to Florida. Another booster lathered a high school coach in cash after learning he was seeking $100k and two SUV's in exchange for steering Albert Means to Tuscaloosa. 

Ineligible for postseason play, the '02 Crimson Tide posted a 10-3 season but lost 17-7 to rival Auburn. The sting of the penalties would be felt much more severely the following year as Mike Shula's squad plummeted to a 4-9 mark featuring a queasy 16-19 home shocker to Northern Illinois, a 14 point loss to Georgia, and a 15 point defeat at the hands of Ole Miss before the defense surrendered 51 points in Tennessee's win dropped 'Bama to 3-6 at the end of October. 

Following a 38-0 victory at Mississippi State, the Tide dropped three straight to finish the year including a 27-3 beatdown administered by LSU, another loss to rival Auburn and an eight point loss at Hawaii. I think we can all do without that kind of November to remember. 

The 2004 season realized just slight improvement with Alabama registering a 6-6 mark capped by a three game losing streak including a 16 point win by LSU, another defeat at the hands of Auburn and a 20-16 loss the Minnesota in the prestigious Music City Bowl. Sounds like the Webster's definition of agony. 

A 10-2 mark in 2005 had Tide fans feeling the program was back despite again losing to LSU and Auburn (pay no mind to the fact all 10 wins would later be vacated along with 11 total from the '06 and '07 seasons thanks to mass violations related to free textbooks) but that wasn't the case as 'Bama dipped to 6-7 in '06 and 7-6 in '07, again getting swept by LSU and Auburn each season. Remember how it felt to be on the wrong end of a rivalry for so long? 

Having gone 33-30 over a five year stretch, the 2nd year of the Nick Saban era saw the Tide post a 12-2 mark and they finally beat Auburn (36-0) improving to 12-0 before falling to Florida and Utah setting up the perfect 14-0 championship season in 2009. 

The historical data points do suggest elite programs can overcome major sanctions to rise again but they also illustrate the recovery process can be far from painless. Just how far do you think the Buckeyes might fall? Can it possibly be as bad as Alabama's five year run of 33-30 football featuring two under .500 seasons, one 6-6 mark and five straight losses to Auburn? 

Maybe it's just my rose colored Woody glasses but I refuse to believe OSU will post a losing season on the road to recovery. Far from it. Am I on crazy pills? 

 

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Roger's picture

Tate Forcier is feeling salty: http://twitter.com/#!/Tforcier4/status/78891614973603840

So says the kid who was 0-2 against Ohio State and who showed off his quarterbacking skills to the tune of 1 touchdown, 5 interceptions and a fumble recovered for a touchdown in his own endzone. 

Dangle THAT out the window, diminuative one.

JakeBuckeye's picture

"Dangle THAT out the window, diminuative one."

C'mon now, Rog. I don't think that's a line that needs to be crossed. That goes far past arm strength and football skills.

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Bah!  His arm strength was ok.  He was able to hold on.

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Really? We are joking about this? This isn't a joke. The kid was apparently on the edge of killing himself. That's not funny in any capacity nor should we make jokes out of it whether we like Forcier or not.

RC's picture

It was not nice, but it was still pretty damn funny!

JakeBuckeye's picture

I don't think it was funny at all. There's no way in hell you can ever make something as serious as suicide funny. Tater Tot may be an enemy on the football field and he may not like us or our guys, but he is still a human being.

Bucks's picture

Ahh Jake, you go well with coffee. I'm fairly certain there wasn't malicious intent here. You even touched on it yourself. Probably not the best type of humor/jive but to each their own.

 

 

JakeBuckeye's picture

Sorry, but when your life is affected by suicide in even the slightest capacity making jokes about one's near attempts rubs you the wrong way.

Bucks's picture

I do not disagree with you sir, in the slightest. Big difference though between malicious vs comical. Still a poor attempt, at best.

Roger's picture

Not trying to offend a fellow Buckeye (or anyone for that matter). Frankly, since Tate didn't actually hurt himself in any way but did manage to get into the news for being the attention-grabber that he is, I feel like he's fair game.

BuckeyeChief's picture

If you go on to read he actually defends him.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

vidstudent's picture

Short answer:  yes, but we love you for it.

Long answer:  There's always the chance things go okay.  We have a lot of in-state love that will hopefully encourage some to come despite not having a chance at a scholarship if and when they cut us down to fifteen for three years.  Obviously, Stonum is not one of these.  Luke Fickell could be better than Tressel.  We could always end up like Auburn in its most recent episode - ever winning, but untelevised and ineligible for post-season play.

More likely, it does not.  The first season is fine, as we are only short ten.  It's that second season where you're short a quarter of your scholarships and the players that come with them that things look kinda bad.  The TUN being in turmoil helps, and we can still pick up one more year of taunting them; however, they would have a chance to improve in year two while we would likely degrade, and only be hungrier for a win as a result.

We cannot at this stage ignore that pain is coming.  We will remain faithful, but to ignore the problems and the coming storm is simply wishful thinking at its finest.

Nicholas Eckert

vidstudent

buckeyedude's picture

I actually hope that if/when OSU is banned from bowls, that the revenue in all of the bowl games is down, do to the fact they won't be making money off of the generous Buckeye Nation.

 
 

RBuck's picture

Define "Hurt", Please

 

Easy. Hurt=what we all have been experiancing for the past 5 or 6 months.
 

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

thorvath22's picture

Maybe I'm crazy but tOSU's "violations" or ignorance of violations do not even come close to the scale that Miami, Alabama, and USC's violations where at...to me there is a difference between handing out money to help in recruiting / rewarding plays on the field and players going out and making money off of their name themselves....

OSU may get "failure to monitor" but probably not "lack of institutional control"...unless evidence comes out of a massive cover up by the University you just can't punish a program based off of conspiracy theories. But nonetheless the crime isn't even in the same ball park as handing out hundreds of thousands of dollars to recruits and current players. This entire scandal is over blown by the media simply because they want to see the giant that is OSU fall and if OSU doesn't get dismantled by the NCAA they will bitch and moan about how it was handled without using anything even near this thing called logic.

I also doubt we will see positive press if OSU gets hit and then rises again like Miami and Alabama did.

cal3713's picture

I'm sorry, but I think we deserve an LOIC violation.  I mean we had a number of players taking illegal benifits from the community and our coach knew and did nothing.  Yes, we self-reported, but the subsequent investigation appears to have turned up a number of additional violations... and some circumstantial evidence suggesting we might have known about those and covered them up as well.  We've been bad and deserve everything that's coming.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

who invited gloomy gus??

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cal3713's picture

Ha!  Sorry, but it's been a dark and rainy off-season...

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

There has been nothing else substantiated outside of the original Tat 5 stuff we have already been sanctioned for. I know there is a lot of speculation, but that's all there is at this moment.

We do NOT deserve the LOIC because so far the only thing JT did was have a little too much faith in his QB. Nothing out about the cars and this whole TP fiasco is germane to only him.

We will suffer for Tressel's piss-poor 'cover-up' (I mean dang Jim, why couldn't you have gotten pointers from the SEC on how to cheat-those bastards have it down to a science), but I just can't see anything coming from the cars or the other various journalistic hack jobs we are suffering thru.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

cal3713's picture

I know we haven't seen any "proof" of external allegations yet, but let's look at the internal evidence.  11W posts that Pryor's OSU career is likely to be over due to additional violoations that will make him ineligable for the season, Tressel quits after recieving full support from the university 2 months earlier, and then we actually get a number of additional scandals surrounding Pryor taking additioanl benefits.  Originally people were thinking that the SI article would break a bunch of news that would explain Tressel resigning, but that article had nothing but bullshit.  I just think it's clear that the University/NCAA found out that (at least) Pryor really is guilty of much more than the Tat5 shit and Tressel had to resign because he's guilty of both lying to the NCAA running a program that incurred even more additional violoations unrelated to the Tat5 scandal.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

You are right and again, it is all centered around Pryor. In the cases of Miami and Alabama there were multiple players and a bevy of cash. Just think its too early for all the doomsday stuff.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

thorvath22's picture

Problem is you can't throw a man in prison without "proof"....speculation is not enough to convict.

The problem is that for some reason people think it's easy to keep track of 100 players and all of their dealingS outside of even the school...just because 5-15 out of the 100 took the wrong path doesn't show lack of institutional control, the athletic department cannot correct an issue if they didn't know anything about it in the first place. You could argue that they should have known considering how obvious things seemed but isn't 20/20 hindsight grand?

I am ready for some football and ready for the Braxton Miller era....we can only hope that Miller can at least have the chance to compete for a MNC.

cal3713's picture

I agree with all this, vut I just think that Tressel actively being caught lying to the NCAA is the part that kills the "you can't keep track off that many players" argument for us.  We did know, and we didn't tell...

Can't wait to actually see some football this fall. 

thorvath22's picture

Well Tressel knew and didn't say anything and you could say that he has been dealt with.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

OSU: 2016 CHAMPS!!!

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buckeyedude's picture

I'm really starting to hate this Dan Wetzel from Yahoo! Actually he's worse than Mark May. The prick actually says these violations, if true(regarding Pryor getting cash), are worse than USC and Reggie Bush.

 
 

NW Buckeye's picture

Wetzel' real target is the BCS.  Bring down one of the biggest proponents and players in it, and the demise is certain.  He will go out of his way to sway opinions against OSU.  And, regardless of what NCAA sanctions are handed down he is convinced that he will succeed in the eyes of public opinion.  Would love to find some skeletons in his closet. 

NW Buckeye's picture

"Maybe it's just my rose colored Woody glasses but I refuse to believe OSU will post a losing season on the road to recovery. Far from it. Am I on crazy pills?"

You may indeed be on crazy pills, but your ideas are not without some thought.  The article looks at Bama, USC and Miami.  Although young athletes may grow up wanting to play for those schools there are many choices for them.  Miami and USC usually bring in kids from all over the country.  A lot of those kids have no real allegiance to their chosen school, they just want to play for a winner (don't we all).   But, there are many choices for them once they start looking around, and the appeal of a winner not on probation may be much more appealing to them.  And, there are quite a few CA schools if they really want to play in CA.   The same could be said for Miami.  Bama is a different story, but you have Auburn right down the road.  OSU's nemesis will be MI, but OH kids who really want to be a Buckeye will still opt for OSU regardless of the sanctions (assuming we don't get the death penalty - that should be a good assumption as the NCAA really regrets what they did to SMU).  Add to that the fact that OSU has always been good at turning 3 star recruits into decent players, and maybe you did not overdose on crazy pills. 

Again, I am always a glass half full kind of person, and I do believe that when life deals you lemons you make lemonade.  Maybe it's the fact that I don't post from a gloomy basement, or maybe I can always find some good in just about any situation (I am facing a heart valve replacement soon and I really can't get too worked up about it.).  The upside of all this is that maybe we really don't have to look at prima donnas on the sideline anymore.  Give me a kid who wants to be a Buckeye any day over one who is just looking for a place to showcase his talent.  And, Ohio has a lot of those kids. 

 

buckeyedude's picture

 Give me a kid who wants to be a Buckeye any day over one who is just looking for a place to showcase his talent.  And, Ohio has a lot of those kids. 

 

Exactly, but I just hope we don't start losing the Elvis Grbac's, Desmond Howard's, and Charles Woodson's, if you know what I mean. 

 

 
 

GoBucks713's picture

Well, we don't have to wear god awful throwback unis like TTUN does this year. I don't think a soccer team would wear those pieces of shit. Too bad brown doesn't show up on dark blue too well, or else i would buy a few to use as TP.

-The Aristocrats!

Denny's picture

'I don't think a soccer team would wear those pieces of shit'

Clearly you haven't seen Chelsea's kits for next year.

Taquitos.

William's picture

Chelsea is awful, cannot stand them

GoBucks713's picture

they're still worse than those orange monstrosities that Chelsea wore this season.

-The Aristocrats!

William's picture

Arsenal and Man United always seem to put out the best jerseys.

OHIOinME's picture

 

Can anyone confirm this is TP's car? 

741's picture

lol. Definition of schadenfreude.

Colin's picture

We could if the license plate number wasn't blacked out.

Denny's picture

TIP OF THE CAP.

Taquitos.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

 

Thought he had temp tags anyway?  That tag looks like its behind a tag-frame.  Not sure people go to the trouble with temp tags--you just tape them in the window.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

Colin's picture

Well all the news people took pictures of his car when he pulled up in it for that player meeting and the tags were where these are. And comparing that picture with this one:

looks pretty dang close, especially the tag frame.

Denny's picture

Tag frame, rims, door handle - it's all very similar.

Feel like whoever's car this is they're a victim of the predatory off-campus tow trucks more than anything. Jackals.

Taquitos.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Yup. Looks like its his. So my next question is this: so what?

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

Colin's picture

Sooo it's ironic/funny? People aren't going to let him get away with the same old crap anymore while hes in Columbus.

poop's picture

Why? He can't hurt the program anymore. I don't give a shiat what he does as long as he stays away from the Woody Hayes.

cal3713's picture

Or, he just got maliciously towed by some guy who was pissed about TP ruinining the program.