Thursday Skull Session

By Johnny Ginter on May 26, 2011 at 6:00a
52 Comments
THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE

Happy Thursday everyone, and welcome to your morning Skull Session. Have you ever tried to get rid of a ghost? No? Well, let me tell you, it is no easy task. They stick around for generations, causing as much trouble as they possibly can, and scaring the daylights out of scantily clad co-eds until they are either forcibly removed through a combination of a mother's love and some sort of religious artifact, or everyone in the area just goes crazy and everything fades to black.

It's hard to tell what the ultimate outcome of Ray "The Ghost" Small's haunting of Ohio State will be. As he admits in the first item of today's Skull Session, he found himself in the doghouse more often than not during his tenure at Ohio State; and, incredibly enough, he may have worked himself right back into it despite no longer actually being on the team.

Small claiming that Tat-gate esque violations were common is surely going to met with a lot of derision. But there's something worse than Small coming back to voice his opinion about the current situation. It's Small coming back to voice his opinion about the situation and not being completely full of crap.

Not So Friendly The Lantern interview can be found here, and here are some choice quotes:

Small told The Lantern on Wednesday he profited off of memorabilia while at Ohio State, adding that some student-athletes "don't even think about (NCAA) rules."

"I had sold my things but it was just for the money," Small said. "At that time in college, you're kind of struggling."

"It was definitely the deals on the cars. I don't see why it's a big deal," said Small, who identified Jack Maxton Chevrolet as the players' main resource.

"They explain the rules to you, but as a kid you're not really listening to all of them rules," Small said. "You go out and you just, people show you so much love, you don't even think about the rules. You're just like ‘Ah man, it's cool.' You take it, and next thing you know the NCAA is down your back."

Lost in this will likely be that Malcom Jenkins is also interviewed in this piece, and he mentions that he never personally committed any violations but that he doesn't find them to be particularly bad. And in truth, I agree with him. But what Small is saying is damming, not because of who he is or what he's done, but because it is exactly the kind of thing that we as Ohio State fans have always assumed (probably correctly) that players from other schools do all the time. I don't think all, or most, or even a large percentage of OSU players are doing what he claims to have done, but OSU is on the thinnest of ice with the NCAA right now.

My point is this: I know a lot of people are going to dismiss this out of hand because it's either Ray Small or the Lantern. That's fine, and some of his teammates have come out on Twitter to voice those same doubts. The problem though, is that the powers that be do not care about Ray Small's history with the program, and this just gives them another excuse. Ignore his claims, question his motives, just don't dismiss the potential ramifications.

Insert Dismissive Hand Gesture Here I hate hate hate preseason polls. Aside from being useless prognosticators in general, they're also lazy ways for writers to squeeze out a column when they SHOULD be writing parody pieces using screencaps from children's movies about dogs that play sports. Even lazier is writing an article disputing the completely arbitrary order of another writer's preseason poll, especially when you're literally arguing about the difference between two spots. But that didn't stop Stewart Mandel from doing it!

Basically he thinks that Andy Staples should've ranked Alabama first instead of third. And then devoted roughly 1500 words toward voicing that opinion. And then I assume he sat back, lit a cigar, and went "HAW HAW HAW!" before beginning work on an article called "Les Miles: How Does He Do It?"

A Feel Good Story Because What The Hell Kenneth Lyons is the all time scoring leader at North Texas in men's basketball. He played for four years, bounced around various leagues, and found himself in the year 2000 out of basketball and without a degree. Lyons apparently was still more than a year away from graduating, so he's spent the last 11 years getting those credits, dammit:

His hand was guided, not held, through this process. He took on a job working in the university's bookstore to help pay for credits. This wasn't a PR push; Lyons failed an algebra course four times before finally getting through this past year.

That's perseverance, and the mark of a man who understands the true value of college. Way to go, Ken.

Continuing Our Obsession With Lupe I guess it's not all bad at OSU; Lupe Fiasco was the featured performer at OSU's Big Three Concert, and by the looks of things, he threw down:

 

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Denny's picture

I'm glad that you found an image of Small that looks just like the troll face.

Taquitos.

lhardeman's picture

This is what I don't get.  Regardless of whether or not you agree with the NCAA rules, why on Earth would you put all your dirty laundry out there for people to see.  If you received extra benefits why are you going to tell it so that your school gets into more hot water?  I just don't understand it.  As a player if you received benefits keep your mouth shut.  Of course the school shouldn't turn a blind eye to NCAA regulations, but players shouldn't say a dang thing about what they received or who got what, unless they are questioned by the NCAA on the specific matter.  Why add fuel to the fire by telling a news publication about what may or might not have happened.  I'm not saying players should break the rules, because they shouldn't.  But if they do, there shouldn't be a word spoken about it unless directly questioned by the NCAA, the university, or law enforcement.

Denny's picture

With Small I don't know if it has much to do with agreeing with (or not agreeing with) the NCAA rules, and has more to do with not agreeing with Tressel's handling of him while in school.  I mean, reading the full interview he sounds like he's got a bit more perspective than when he was in school - but I'm sure he's still got an axe to grind.

Taquitos.

Alex's picture

I'm sure Ray is telling the truth but STFU Ray....pretty embarrassing this guy was a Buckeye

AcrossTheField11's picture

Glenville has put out some good players and good character guys, but they've definitely produced some of the worst as well.  Ray Small = Trash. 

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

Jdadams01's picture

Agreed. And way to destroy what little loyalty Buckeye Nation may have still felt for him. Idiot. If he'd just kept his mouth shut most people would probably still have thought he had been somewhat a disappointment. But now they'll just think, "oh it's that bastard, Ray Small."

GoBucks713's picture

Ray Small = Cross Village??

-The Aristocrats!

Maestro's picture

Awesome

vacuuming sucks

J.Mo's picture

"You go out and you just, people show you so much love, you don't even think about the rules"
And how many times has Ray Small been suspended/in Tressel's doghouse/removed of his jersey number?

I think the reason why is because he never thought about the rules. Ray wasn't the norm - he was an exception. He was always in trouble. I think the other players who were fine and not getting suspended or being rumored to be in the doghouse did think about the rules. It's a special kind of stupid to be Ray Small.

BuckeyeSki's picture

Looks like someone COULDN'T WAIT to have his name talked about again....too bad unlike other former players we discuss, RayRay won't ever be remembered for anything he did ON the field.....

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Matt's picture

Even Ray Small, aspiring sociologist, knows that

 

SNITCHEZ

GIT

STITCHEZ

OHIOinME's picture

Rob Oller has it right, The NCAA must realize it's part of the problem.  They allowed college sports to be marketed, packaged and sold.  Everyone is making big bucks; the schools, the coaches, the leagues, the media, the BCS, everyone.  Meanwhile the players get fame, get handshakes, get lots of attention and everyone wants their autograph.  They are around all this glitz and popularity it is only natural they want to partake, especially when they supposedly don't get much to spend. They want to bite the forbidden fruit.  They want to get out of Mexico and cross the border.  They are basically being asked to stay celibate, like they are a freaking priest.  They are being asked to work their tail off in school, on the football field and do volunteer work.  They are highly restricted with the paid work they can do or how they get "support" and they aren't really given the time nor do they have the energy to get a real job if they could. 
Don't get me wrong.  The athletes know the rules and should obey them.  I'd say probably most follow the rules most of the time, but many don't follow the rules all the time.  Like Ray Ray says, they are kids.  Even more so, I’d say they are human beings.  Not everyone is built to live a life that others set up for them.  Besides, how many of you guys took back the extra French fries at McDonalds or noticed something didn't get charged at the grocery store or Target and to told the clerk.  Maybe got home and looked at all the stuff you bought and realized one bag full of goodies wasn’t yours, did you call the store?  Sure, maybe sometimes you did, but every single time your integrity was challenged did you make the right decision?  If you didn't, did you turn yourself in later?  Did you brag about it to your friends? 
If you Pay cops more money, you'll find less corrupt cops.  If you help Mexico and other similar countries become more stable and prosperous you'll find less illegal border crosses.  You sure won't eliminate the problem, but you'll give less a reason for people to steal their piece of the pie and therefor less people will do it.  I’m not an advocate for paying athletes big paychecks.  But a few hundred dollars a month to have a safe mode of transportation, go on a date and play would be nice.  You  know, what other college kids have.
 

OHIOinME's picture

Oh, to add...

In the past I often found myself feeling bad for Ray Small, for whatever the reason I'm not sure.  However, his lack of foresight and not being able to learn from experience is probably the worst I have ever heard of.  It almost makes me feel even more bad for the guy.  Is he just stupid or an overly honest good person trying to be bad or "cool"?

btalbert25's picture

I never liked Ray Small.  From very early on it was obvious he was lazy on and off the field, and he had a sense of entitlement.  I never could figure out why so many people were willing to give him so many chances.  Other than 1 punt return touchdown, what did the guy ever do that was so great?  Nothing compared to all the BS he pulled and distractions. 

There's no doubt in my mind that he's telling the truth.  I'm sure there are a lot of players selling their stuff.  The only question I ask, is why on earth does the NCAA allow players to get trophies, rings, trinkets, and swag from bowls?  If it's against the rules to sell the shit, why give it out at all? Ultimately, it's still on the player.  They are knowingly breaking rules, but c'mon. 

Ray was definitely the worst Buckeye in my lifetime.  At least with Mo C we got a championship out of the deal.  Ray all we got was disappointment, frustration, and a waste of a scholarship.

Irricoir's picture

Truth

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Luke's picture

Can't believe LantSECrn sold out OSU again. They've always had a conspiracy against us and they always will.

Matt's picture

Except this time, OSECU sold itself out.

Denny's picture

What do you expect? The Lantern is in the Journali$$$m Building.

Taquitos.

Jake's picture

Yet OSU no longer has a journalism program. Joyous.

btalbert25's picture

LoL.  I got amused yesterday at one of the links.  There was a comment that said ESPN can't wait for that article to come out and cover it non stop.  Well, yeah, you have a top 5 program, with a coach that is adored and respected by nearly everyone.  If there is a scandal that takes that coach down and it turns out JT wasn't the Aww Shucks kind of guy we all believed, that's a huge story.  It's going to get a lot of coverage, and it should. 

 

gravey's picture

Ray Small = First class douche bag

That, "everybody does it" logic is for total losers and is strong evidence of piss-poor parenting.  Right is right.  Wrong is wrong.  That doesn't change, even if you're poor.  I grew up poor and I didn't use it as an excuse to break the rules.

Coach Ginn...this is your guy?   Black eye on the Tarblooders as well.

I know there are lots of Buckeyes who do follow the rules, do care about consequences and aren't morally bankrupt. 

 

Irricoir's picture

Truth

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

COB's picture

Ray Small sucks.

Matt's picture

Mr. Fields sums it up well:

 

 

@Cfields80  Chris Fields
Damn Ray.
28 minutes ago via Twitter for Android

Jimbo's picture

I imagine SI is looking for Ray Ray as we speak so he can have his last 10 minutes of fame. This will give his dad a chance to air his gripes too.

Colin's picture

Follow the tweet section on the right of the homepage...this stuff is starting to get colorful. Former players calling RayRay out.

BuckeyeSki's picture

Thanks RayRay, you just made Ryan Hamby go up a few notches in my book

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Pam's picture

Listen I don't think what Ray said is as bad as we think.  He states that they are told NOT to sell stuff and they do it anywway. +1 for compliance.  He says they need money for rent "car notes" etc. +2 for not getting cars for free and that schollies don't cover everything that they need money for. 

Colin's picture

I think it was the "everybody does it" part that rubbed the players the wrong way. It makes the whole team look bad.

Matt's picture

Donte Whitner is a boss

Luke's picture

You're on twitter Matt?

Matt's picture

No like Garth Algar I fear change

Denny's picture

Looking forward to this fall's Jim Bollman 'Excuse me, I'd like to get by now' offense.

Taquitos.

Doc's picture

Here is something that will lightened your day.  South Park is taking a big jab at the NCAA in this one.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s15e05-crack-baby-athletic-association

Enjoy!

"Say my name."

BuckeyeSki's picture

Sirrah! How do you go about not paying your "student-athletes"?

 

Hilarious

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Buckeyebrowny919's picture

i am absolutely blown away at the lack of commitment and loyalty that ex players sometimes have for their alma mater. One begins to wonder if certain acts like this can start to be traced back to the top to leadership..

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

GoBucks713's picture

Herbie??

 

I think you have to look at the kids that are acting that way brown. MoCo and Ray Small were both "scorned" by the program because of their off the field issues, and those are also the first to say something negative. If you look at the replies that the players that have some class, they all love Tress.

-The Aristocrats!

RoweTrain's picture

Never want to see someone get hurt (dazed?) playing football but remember this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wL-4aYmMGk

 

Classic Ray-Ray.

matti's picture

damn it i was just think about poosting the same thing except to put "he was never right after this..."

poop's picture

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wL-4aYmMGk

Keep farking that chicken, Ray.

Edit: ^ Beat me to it.

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

In reference to Ramzy's column on Tuesday...can we officially call this SmallGate?

ih8rolltyde's picture

Never want to see a guy get injured, but it is therapeutic to see that guy get hurt.

Hurt = Pain

Injured = physically damaged

Ray Small feeling pain = Just deserts.

****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in.  FACT

Pam's picture

Malcolm Jenkins will be on CFB Live today.  He is pissed that the Lantern didn't use most of his comments that would have offset some of Ray's damning ones. Probably wants to set the record straight.

RoweTrain's picture

That's why Malc will always be one of my favorite Buckeyes.  Great player, hard worker and class act.

Pam's picture

I can't think of a better guy to rep tOSU and Ray Small is the worst. Malcolm grew up not far from where I live.  HS legend in these parts

RoweTrain's picture

Oh yeah, forgot to mention his intensity.  The first series against UM in 2008 when he and Greg Mathews decided to play past the whistle and Malcolm threw him to the ground like a ragdoll.  Pretty sure that got me fired up.

ih8rolltyde's picture

DVR type stuff right there. Jenkins was such a beast. It's pretty cool living in Saint's territory, although by default cause AL and MS are both way too shitty for pro teams, that two of their best three players on D are Buckeyes (W. Smith, M. Jenkins, J. Vilma).  One of my favorite facts to bring up when the SECtards get to telling me how there is no talent or speed in the B1G and/or tOSU and/or "up north".

****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in.  FACT

Roger's picture

Vilma is from Miami. But yes, there is plenty of talent from the B1G.

Matt's picture

Hence, 2 of the 3 players.

Roger's picture

Yes, reading fail. My mistake.