Thursday Skull Session

By Alex on December 16, 2010 at 10:00a
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Will Al be Golden?

 Golden Opportunity? So Miami hiring Al Golden has been a hot topic the last few days, as some feel that the former Temple coach can be the savior in South Beach, while others think he's not the man for the job. I'm not sure what will happen, but Golden has certainly set the bar high with his plans for the Hurricanes and took a page out of the "Jim Tressel interviewing with Miami book" by writing his own 300 page manual on how he plans to turn the program around. It all looks good on paper, but until it becomes a practice, it appears recruits aren't buying it. The firing of Shannon and hiring of Golden has left "The U" with just 2.5 commits as of yesterday. And you thought this class was looking weak?

 Going Bowling Ohio State bowl practices kicked off this week and excitement around the Sugar Bowl is starting to build up. Doug Lesmerises writes that the team is confident going against Arkansas based on their past defensive performances lately in bowl games. Bill Livingston discusses how Terrelle Pryor may use the lack of attention from the national and regional media to fuel an epic bowl game performance once again. Finally, bowl practice is a time for some of the younger players to show the coaches what they've got and one guy who has stood out amongst the rest is Rod Smith. Smith will have to battle with Boom Herron, Jordan Hall, Jaamal Berry, and Carlos Hyde for playing time next season, but if he's as good as advertised, I can easily see one of the aforementioned leaving town in the not so far future.

 New Logos, New Laughs Yes, we've all gotten a glimpse of the new Big Ten logos and division names, and yes, we all expected the rest of the country to have a good laugh over it once it got out. Well that moment has happened, and once again the haters get to poke fun at the conference. Quite frankly I don't care what our logo looks like or what our division names are, as long as the Buckeyes win football games and the rest of the conference represents during bowl season. Apparently Jim Delany feels the need to defend the conference's decision, further making him look like a fool in this process.

 Freshman Love Rivals came out with it's All-Freshman team and five Buckeyes made the cut. The honors went to Andrew Norwell, Jack Mewhort, Jonathan Hankins, Christian Bryant, and Jaamal Berry. I understand four of the five choices, but Mewhort? I mean I think the guy is going to be a good player and will likely start next year, but he barely played. Regardless, we'll take it. Adam Rittenberg's All-Frosh team also included Norwell, Hankins, and Berry, while Phil Steele's only had Norwell listed as a fifth teamer. 

 Hoops Hype The Dispatch's Bob Baptist says that despite popular belief, Thad Matta is trying to build the basketball Buckeyes a bench. I have watched every game so far this season and have to disagree. Other than in blow outs like last night's game, Matta is very tentative to throw any of his freshmen in tough spots, other than Jared Sullinger and Aaron Craft. McDonald's All-American DeShaun Thomas, Lenzelle Smith, Jordan Sibert, and JD Weatherspoon, on the other hand, have yet to gain the trust of Thad and until they show more consistency I believe that will continue to be the case. I don't know everything, but what I do know is that this team will not win the championship playing only six or seven players.

Flipping over to women's hoops, the Lady Bucks did suffer an upset on the road against Syracuse, but have a chance to avenge that and more this weekend as they take on defending champion UConn in Madison Square Garden. I will be on hand at the "Mecca of Basketball" on Sunday as Jantel Lavender, Sammy Prahalis, and the rest of Jim Foster's team try to deny the Huskies a chance to tie UCLA's record of 88 straight wins under John Wooden. Catch the game Sunday at 2:30 PM ET on ESPNU. 

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BuckeyeChief's picture

Q: I recieved 2 Buckeye hats from a scUM friend of mine...one is pretty sweet and matches my AJ Hawk road jersey...jinx if I wear it for the Sugar Bowl?

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

Buckeye Black's picture

Deshaun Smith should not get the coaches' trust.  Every time he touches the ball he drops his head and tries to score.  He is not a team player yet.  If the other freshmen want to play, they need to step it up on the defensive side of the ball.

RoweTrain's picture

Combination of Deshaun Thomas and Lenzelle Smith?

Buckeye Black's picture

Haha, oops, meant Deshaun Thomas.

tomcollins's picture

Why would Alaska care?

Nothing pisses me off than SEC coattail riders.  Arkansas has done exactly jack shit in the last decade, and now wants to take credit for LSU, Florida, Alabama, and Auburn.

Sherman should have gone further.

Hoody Wayes's picture

Typo. You're right. AR, not AK.

Irricoir's picture

Ignorance is not a typo. Fat fingers cause those. The R and the K are nowhere close to each other on a keyboard. /joking really. I don't even care.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

But Sherman was a humanitarian.

nickma71's picture

Arkansas has done something. They took the league's best running back, and played USC home-home. Oops.

There is no reason to even talk about football with those hilibillys. No loss ever happened. On ESPN, somebody said something about Florida not playing out of confrence road games, and the response was yes they do, the last was 41-14. So naturally, I said ok, then during Supermans heisman trophy year, they lost to a Michigan team giving up 41 points and 500 yards, but that doesn't count right? Don't count on an SEC doing a home-home in Columbus until all the survivors have passed along following LSU's loss to a 4-6 Cooper team.

Irricoir's picture

I don't know if it's real or not? It looks a little too well written. And unless the writer was being factitious, they don't call it pop in the south. It is either a coke, the word that encompasses all flavors, such as "What type of Coke do you want?", or a soda, being the lesser used term. Either way, I hope the Buckeyes approach this game with controlled aggression. I'd hate to see a repeat of the LSU game where we went into it with rage and left it in defeated supported by penalty after penalty. I am willing to take bets on how many false start penalties Shugarts makes!

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Colin's picture

root beer flavored coke...ridiculous!

Alex's picture

That is not the real letter JT posted to the team. That letter you see was done by the site to try and get some laughs and is sarcastic/satirical. 

I'm sure there is a real letter from a JT-downer saying you can't beat the SEC blah blah blah.

Buckeye Black's picture

Hmm, not sure if that is real or not.  Nobody in the south calls a carbonated drink "pop."  Everything is a "coke."

tomcollins's picture

Excellent detective skills on the pop/coke.  100% fake.  Could be motivational, though.  The name searched in google comes up with no hits besides that email, and it looks really fake.

Irricoir's picture

Even being fake, I assure you that that sentiment is shared amongst the southern fan bases. It is indeed accurate.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

tomcollins's picture

Oh, I don't doubt that's real.  This is the most important game for the team since 2007 IMO.

Irricoir's picture

I live in Alabama and you could imagine what I hear every day. I agree that this is even more important to win than the Texas game and on par with the Rose Bowl. Winning won't change the way we are perceived by haters but it will be a foundation to debate with. It's hard to say we can do something when it's never been done. But if you have done something once, then it can be done again. Let me lay it out for you the way this willl unwind: We get beat by Arkansas and it's a victory for the entire SEC. We beat Arkansas and we just beat that team, we are still inferior to the SEC. Different standards and everyone Ive argued this with agrees that this is how things shall come to pass. Do I really care what they thnk, I'd lie if I said No. Everyone wants respect and in todays age, people think they are entitled to it. You take it by earning it. When they fail to respect you, you beat them over and over again until it happens. It works for dog handlers. The canines need to understand they aren't the Alpha Male and so does the SEC. So let's put a leash on that part of the country.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

tomcollins's picture

My cousin lives there too and is an Ohio State fan, he never hears the end of it.

I agree with you that the way they can cling together when it's strong, but distance themselves when one team loses is highly lame.  Hearing it from a Florida or Bama fan is one thing.  Hearing it from Tennessee fans like they are a part of the awesomeness of the SEC is what is hilarious and pathetic.  

Yeah, their middle/bottom tier teams are better.  I really don't give a damn about who has the best 8th place team.  The cockiness about the top being that much better is what is the most disturbing.  Hopefully that ends this year.

btalbert25's picture

Even worse is when you live in Kentucky and one of their Idiot fans starts preaching about their superiority in football.  Tennessee at least has a past, UK has maybe 3 wins in the history of their program they can be proud of, and a few music city bowls sprinkled in.  It's hard to believe but UK football fans could actually be more obnoxious than UK basketball fans.  At least the basketball program has a history.

tomcollins's picture

Kentucky has football fans?  This is news to me.

btalbert25's picture

I guess their the same people as the basketball fans really.  They just know absolutely nothing about football, and think SEC=GOOD=UK=GOOD.  They are a desirable team for bowl games though because the fans flock to go see them.  There's just nothing more obnoxious than a UK fan talking about football. Kinda of like when you are watching a college basketball game and Dick Vitale shares his opinions about College football or the MLB.

MirrorLakeJump's picture

Fayetteville seems to be strongly "coke" territory, though "pop" is apparently used just across the border in Oklahoma.

http://popvssoda.com:2998/countystats/total-county.html

Poe McKnoe's picture

Sure, the division names suck, but you just have to read them and say them.  They are not this abomination.

Shield your eyes!!

MirrorLakeJump's picture

The logo graphic is OK, but that color is horrible.

RBuck's picture

Yep. Carolina blue. A tribute to Delany's alma mater...shees.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

gwalther's picture

I HAVE BEEN BLINDEDDDD!

Class of 2008

BuckeyeChief's picture

I feel dumber for reading that.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

gwalther's picture

I feel dumber for reading that.

Class of 2008

Mike Sanders's picture

The logo is poorly designed and ugly. We're going to have to look at that eyesore for the next twenty years or until the conference expands again. Still, it's not that important. 

I totally disagree about the importance of the division and award names. They're important because they indicate the Big Ten's branding and marketing strategy. I emailed Robin Jentes, the Big Ten's director of branding,  about my dislike for the divisions/logo/trophies. She gave me a really sincere, detailed reply and invited me to call her, so I did and had a 15-20 minute conversation with her on Tuesday night. This is part of a branding strategy for the Big Ten which is trying to highlight past prestige (Legends, trophy-names) and portray us as excellent now & in the future (Leaders). They're trying to do this big, grandiose image marketing through division names and trophy names, which hurts the conference's perception if done wrong and accomplish nothing if done right, which everybody nationally think is arrogant and everybody regionally dislikes or hates. This is a needless PR issue, which they could fix by letting fans vote on a logo and division names. That would be nice, except Ms. Jentes said that the Big Ten wants people to "give the names a chance to grow on you" and that the complaints were discounted because the fans react poorly to change. When I asked her for a rough timeline for renaming if the complaints continued, she had nothing. She was wonderful to talk to (and an OSU grad!), but the Big Ten should be addressing whole fanbases publicly, not some schmuck like me privately.

Buckinnc's picture

Jim Rome refers to beers as pops.  Maybe the writer is unoriginal and stupid like JR.   GREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!

btalbert25's picture

This just in, Mark Cuban is going to give NCAA football a playoff.  Doubt anything comes to pass on this but he does have a ton of money and despite what Delaney and others say, money is important.  He could just make it worth their while to pursue another option.  He doesn' thave to have all the conference either.  He could set it up to where say the Big 12 and Pac 10 want to go to the playoff, then the BCS has competition.  Again, I doubt anything happens but here's the link.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Finally-Mark-Cuban-has-a-plan-to-put-the-BCS-ou?urn=ncaaf-296649

It could potentially set up a situation where his playoff would be the desired post season the the BCS crumbles.  Again, doubt it, but never know.

tomcollins's picture

He's smart in that he gives absolutely no details on specifics, therefore no one can actually opposite it.  "durr, we're gonna have a lot of money and a playoff".

Some plan there, Mark.

There are a lot of fantastic playoff ideas.  There are even more absolutely terrible ones, though.

btalbert25's picture

I honestly don't think it's a terrible idea for someone like him to get involved though, if people truly want a play off and not the joke of a system that's in place now. A few things we know about Cuban, other than being weird and obnoxious, the man knows how to make money, and he knows how to draw a lot of attention to whatever he is doing. 

College football fans are a weird bunch though, so it's hard to tell if they'd want someone like Cuban involved, even if he could really help improve the game. 

tomcollins's picture

I have no comment about his plan since there isn't really one, but my concern is if it is controlled by outside interests that only care about money, it's more likely to drag on and be some kind of terrible 16 or 32 team monstrosity and kill the regular season.  I'd really like it to be in the hands of someone who would be looking at the sports best interest.  Not sure who that could possibly be, though.

Irricoir's picture

Delaney?    Sarcasm

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

9/11 "truther" Cuban = Redacted. Therefore, a lot of CFB fans wouldn't want him anywhere near their postseasons.  

BuckeyeChief's picture

97 Rose Bowl on ESPN Classic

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

Bucksfan's picture

Concerning Pryor's comments about other teams' systems.  It certainly sounds like a shot at the coaches to say that they're not running the schemes to help utilize his talents.  Or, it could be interpreted that he feels the other teams have superior athletes to what he has at Ohio State.  Or it could be that he's just straight up wrong in his assessment of his own abilities or anyone else's.

I like the last one, even though all of them are equally awful.  He is frankly terrible in the red zone for a guy as highly touted as he was.  Where Troy Smith was a genius at finding open guys for TDs, Pryor throws picks, hesitates, scrambles for minimal gain, and generally doesn't rise to the occasion for points.

The guy is so irritating sometimes.  Cam Newton's passes are crisp, tight lasers, and when he lets one go downfield it's a flippin' bomb.  Pryor tends to Krenzel his throws, and come up short on his distance estimate.  They're similar in size, but not in domination.

It annoys the shit out of me when he comes off thinking he's better than anyone else.  He has beaten 1 team of consequence so far in his career...Oregon in last year's Rose Bowl.  He has let clowns like Matt Barkley and Penn State's backup outshine him in big moments.  The game planning against this year's Wisconsin team was shoddy not to establish Boom Herron in the 1st quarter, but that only means they GAVE IT TO PRYOR TO MAKE A STATEMENT and he did not take advantage of it.  He also floundered in the 4th quarter.

If you need Terrelle Pryor to win a game, you have a 50-50 chance he'll do it.  Against elite defenses, he looks remarkably average.  He's no Colt McCoy racking up 414 yards through the air when the running game is neutralized.  He's no Vince Young.  He's no Cam Newton.

Bucksfan's picture

So, watch for him to be efficient against Arkansas, but I wouldn't expect him to do anything great.  Boom Herron and the power game will be showcased, only needing an average Pryor day...200 passing, 70 rushing...to win.

Irricoir's picture

Why? I am interested. You can't just say you are wrong and leave it at that. You could but no one is going to give you much consideration. I don't agree with every point he made but I see some truth behind some items. T. P. has beaten some quality teams. He has also looked pedestrian against many. I for one am tired of his imature comments. I thought he had moved beyond all of that but he proved my suspicions right. During the "Calm" period he was just trying to say the right things and be more Tressel like. He sounded coached and in reality, likely was. He certainly has a large ego. I am not a complete hater. I am happy for the time he has spent on this team and at times he has been very deserving of praise.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

JakeBuckeye's picture

"Concerning Pryor's comments about other teams' systems.  It certainly sounds like a shot at the coaches to say that they're not running the schemes to help utilize his talents.  Or, it could be interpreted that he feels the other teams have superior athletes to what he has at Ohio State.  Or it could be that he's just straight up wrong in his assessment of his own abilities or anyone else's."

Its not a shot at anybody. He's saying he would be a statistical monster thus giving him much more awards and honors. He also said that he just wants to win in that same interview, saying that what Ohio State does works just as well or better for the team then becoming the Ohio State Terelle Pryors. I don't get your interpretation at all. If you think he's wrong in his assessment that he would dominate statistically in a Cam Newton/Vince Young/etc. etc. system then perhaps you don't know too much.

"I like the last one, even though all of them are equally awful.  He is frankly terrible in the red zone for a guy as highly touted as he was.  Where Troy Smith was a genius at finding open guys for TDs, Pryor throws picks, hesitates, scrambles for minimal gain, and generally doesn't rise to the occasion for points."

This is just your classic Ohio State fan completely forgetting the trials and tribulations Troy Smith had on and off the field before he became a star. I can't really respond to this kind of comment.

"The guy is so irritating sometimes.  Cam Newton's passes are crisp, tight lasers, and when he lets one go downfield it's a flippin' bomb.  Pryor tends to Krenzel his throws, and come up short on his distance estimate.  They're similar in size, but not in domination."

LOL. Someone hasn't seen some of Cam Newton's throws. The only times Newton throws the ball well is on play action passes in which he starts to run forward as if he is going to run then pulls back for a pass. Terrelle Pryor doesn't have this because he rarely ever runs by design. And Pryor would be the same in "domination" in Cameron Newton's offense.

"It annoys the shit out of me when he comes off thinking he's better than anyone else.  He has beaten 1 team of consequence so far in his career...Oregon in last year's Rose Bowl.  He has let clowns like Matt Barkley and Penn State's backup outshine him in big moments.  The game planning against this year's Wisconsin team was shoddy not to establish Boom Herron in the 1st quarter, but that only means they GAVE IT TO PRYOR TO MAKE A STATEMENT and he did not take advantage of it.  He also floundered in the 4th quarter."

I'm sure it was REAL difficult for Barkely and Devlin to hand it off to their running backs on their respective winning drives. Pryor didn't flounder the Wisconsin game, the defense did. Pryor played great in the second half despite drops in both halves.

"If you need Terrelle Pryor to win a game, you have a 50-50 chance he'll do it.  Against elite defenses, he looks remarkably average.  He's no Colt McCoy racking up 414 yards through the air when the running game is neutralized.  He's no Vince Young.  He's no Cam Newton."

I guess this is why I failed at math. You see, I thought a 30-4 win to loss ratio was better than a 50% winning percentage but hey, you must know better then me.

tomcollins's picture

Mostly agree with you, but you missed the part that you needed him to win a game.  In how many of those 30 wins would Bauserman been able to win?  It's probably easier to put the ones where it might be close:

2010- Miami, Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa (3-1)

2009- USC, Purdue, Iowa, Oregon (2-2)

2008 (only Pryor starting games) - Wisconsin, Penn State, Texas (1-2)

Looks very close to .500 to me.

Even so, that's 6 wins that we might not have if we didn't have Pryor.

btalbert25's picture

That's by your assumption that Bauserman would've been adequate enough to not F up games.  He may put the team in position to screw the pooch against more crappy teams by his inability to move when there is pressure and we really don't know what kind of passer he is either.  Maybe outside of those close games, the others Ohio State should not have lost, but there's no way to tell if Bauserman is competent enough to win them.  That would mean he would have to be better than Boeckman and I'm not sure he's even close which isn't saying a lot.

tomcollins's picture

If we can make a national title game with Boeckman, we can win 8-9 games with Bauserman.  You can hand off every play against teams like Minnesota and Ohio and win by 20.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Just to clarify, Pryor didn't start the Texas game in 2008. I say we lose Miami, Wisconsin, Iowa (of the 2010 games) with Bauserman. As for 2009, I think we'd lose 3 out of those four. I hesitate to say we'd lose against Iowa with Bauserman because Pryor did so little, but I do recall TP making a few big plays at critical moments in that game. You also didn't mention the 2009 Penn State game.

tomcollins's picture

2009 Penn State we absolutely dominated them with our defense.  They legitimately scored 0 points, and with the refs rigage got 7.  I would think that Bauserman would be able to get more than that in most cases.  We had the most vanilla gameplan known to man in that game and still cruised easy.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

It could also be, at least partly, that TP's not yet a really precise, politically-correct communicator. He hears Tressel/Siciliano say to him, "don't worry, those teams run hurry up offenses, they're in shoot-outs all the time; their offenses are designed without much consideration of the symbiosis between offense and defense; and they're willing to overexpose their best players. Thus those guys are given more carries, pass attempts, etc., with which to rack up sick numbers."

Pryor hears that and translates it into, "I'd dominate the nation. What those guys do, that's what they're supposed to do in their offense. They carry the ball 30 times a game. I carry the ball maybe five times. There are times I didn't even run the ball in a game. You put me in any of their offenses, where I can run the ball and have a choice to throw, I would dominate college football."

It comes across as TP throwing his coaches/teammates under the bus, yet TP is much smarter than he is media savvy at this point. He knows damn well that he couldn't run the ball any more during the last 3 reg season games in 2009, or for several games after the 2010 ILL game.  

IMO, Oregon and Auburn win the same number of games this year whether or not they run hurry up, and/or regardless of whether they had managed their QBs more conservatively. Auburn was fortunate that Newton never went down. Try that in the NFL, which is where JT is trying to help TP get to.  

Irricoir's picture

True

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Irricoir's picture

He finished remarkably against Iowa. That should have been a Touchdown pass that Taurian Posey dropped. When he couldn't trust his most frequent target to catch the ball, he relied more on his legs and continued the drive. Just a point that he is very capable. He was outshined by Barkley, a true freshman, Vandershnoot (Dude from Iowa, w/e his name is), and McGloin in the first half. All quarterbacks don't click on all cyclinders the entire game. I'd still rather have him than Cam Newton. Cam has physical abilities but he is a liability. Other than TP's mouth he has not disgraced our program the way Scam Newton likely will.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

btalbert25's picture

I would even counter that his mouth is really not that big of a problem.  I think he's mostly misunderstood.  Guess what, Denard and Cam dominated the nation, so yeah Pryor likely would've as well.  He never said those guys suck, his coaches/team are terrible, or did he say those guys didn't earn they accolades.  He just said he would also be dominant in that system.  People read way too much into stuff like this.

His comments about Wisconsin, under a coach like Cooper, would've never been criticized because Cooper spouted off at the mouth about other teams all the time.

I just don't see any of the comments he's made being that big of a deal to other fan bases and other teams.  I suppose there are just some people who wont' like him and haven't since he was being recruited.  This team will really miss TP when he's gone, it's not going to be so easy as just putting Guiton or Miller in that first game and the team is as good or better.  This program will really miss TP when he's gone.  Even if the fans wont.

btalbert25's picture

I would even add that Terrelle Pryor will not disgrace the program as much as Troy Smith did. Don't get me long I love Troy, but he had some pretty serious indisgressions. 

btalbert25's picture

I get tired of it too, but people won't be convinced otherwise.  If he were such a cancer on the team, after 3 seasons it would be pretty obvious.  That's the bottom line.  What has he ever done that has actually jeopardized the team?  NOTHING.  Players like him, coaches like him, and he's never been in trouble.  His grades have never been an issue, and despite other players love for it, he has seemed to stay away from the chronic.  He's done nothing here to ever give anyone ammunition to say he's bad for the program.  Yet people keep on thinking it anyway.

I don't know what it is about him.  Perhaps it's because he hasn't lived up to completely unrealistic expectations or if we just like our stars to be modest in Ohio, but there is a large population of the people who just won't like TP for one reason or another.

Irricoir's picture

Again, don't mistake me for a TP hater. I wonder to myself, how many times a questionable comment can be written off as misunderstood. I see your points behind the comments he made. He in truth likely didn't say anything derogative about our coaches and thats not the way I took it. The kid is too centered on himself. People wondered why a third year starter did not make the Captain list? That is the reason. I think the fact that he didn't make that list humbled him at the beginning of the year. He seemed to be saying many of the right things and sung praises toward the rest of his team. About midseason, he broke that mold. A leader is supposed to lead by example. I prefer my leaders to be outspoken, yet humble. I'd prefer them to replicate our head coach. People will follow a man that appears to care more about them than he does himself. I keep hearing about how hard TP works. Whom does he do it for? I know every kid plays for the chance to make it into the pros. So I expect them to have some personal goals included into that work ethic. When a leader wants it more for the team than he does himself thats when he is embraced. I have heard the stories of TP talking about wanting to win for the seniors. He just sounds like two different people talking. Troy had a lot of transgressions early with Ohio State. I don't know how much truth there is to the whole "sleeping with your buddies Girl Friend thing is" but after Troy moved past that stage, he didn't appear to regress. The comment about no one being able to fill his shoes with 10 pair of socks? Come on dude, while probably true, is it necessary? All of that said, and reading what I posted it sounds as if he is my enemy number 1. That isn't true. I admire his abilities and I am thankful for his dedication/contributions to our team. Moral character and leadership qualities aren't traits that are removable like costumes. They have to be demonstrated at all times. That's my biggest complaint about him. Just because you can say something and I'll go so far as to say just because you are right about something, does that mean you should actually say it? I also want to add that I am thankful for his ability to stay away from agents, drugs, and bad grades like others ahve posted. There is a lot of upside to him. The things I see that I don't like are just personal peevs that are important to me. That's just me and I am not important in the whole scheme of Buckeye football.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

btalbert25's picture

You really do have to watch what goes out on Twitter especially when you are a person who is in the spotlight all the time.  However, I think comments posted on Twitter need to be taken with a grain of salt.  We don't know the context they are being used in.  That could've been addressed to media types that picked Ohio State to lose, it could've been at fans, or it could've been to some of his buddies that were giving him a hard time.  Same with the Herbie is a fake Buckeye comment.  We absolutely have no context there at all.  It reads a certain way but I'm willing to bet Herbie and Pryor have had dozens of talks/interactions over the years and like it was blown out of proportion again.  I'm giving him a pass for putting the stuff out there, because well it's just not a good idea when a bunch of 25-50 year old men are following every move you make and word you say, but at the same time it's Twitter, and we have no idea who he is addressing any comments to on there.

Irricoir's picture

True. If I was the ole ball coach, Twitter would be banned during the season. I am ultra conservative though.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

btalbert25's picture

I'm not really convervative at all but I definitely wouldn't want kids on my team tweeting.  I remember seeing Hines' Twitter last year and thinking man I would be really embarrassed if I knew thousands of people were reading my tweets and this crap was on my page.

Ultrabuckeyehomer's picture

I'd rather have Cam on the field. But if you told me there is a chance he'd get us on probation, I want no part of him.  Who knows how that story will likely end. 

It's not like TP stinks, either.

Bucksfan's picture

Jeez, you guys really missed my point.  When you start to minimize the accomplishments of the best players in the country in a year when you only played one team that finished in the top 25 (and lost that game) you open yourself up to criticism!  Yes, even from your own fans who don't want to hear it...like me!

Jake, I seem to recall our Pryor-led Buckeyes having to settle for 5, count 'em, FIVE red zone field goals against Miami.  They had a chance to go up 14-0 against Oregon (this happened right in front of me AT the Rose Bowl, btw) after a 1st and goal at the 4-yard line...and the drive stalled at the 3 after a botched handle by Pryor, and 2 straight runs by Pryor that yielded a net gain of 1 yard...that's right, to the 3! One yard in 3 downs from the 4, with all those big game woes.  Where's the killer instinct?  Also had a 1st and goal at the 10 yard line in the 2nd quarter...Pryor went 1) Incomplete to Posey, 2) Complete to Sanz for -3, 3) Incomplete to Posey.  Another 3 straight downs with the ball in Pryor's hands in a big game inside the red zone. I realize he came up big in keeping the ball out of Oregon's hands...but why can't you find paydirt inside the 10 twice in 1 half?

And yes, he was terrible in the 1st, 2nd, and 4th quarters of the Wisconsin game in the air.  It's an undeniable fact, check it out for yourself:

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=302890275
They put the game in his hands early, and he choked.

Pryor is a good football player, and he shines really great against really shitty teams.  But he's not in the same league as those who deliver the statistics on the biggest of stages.   I actually agree with him that the coaches don't utilize his talents.  I've been saying it for years.  But I don't want to hear it from him.  If you think you're the better QB, then shut the f up and go throw for 350 a game.  Right now he's a servicable QB who is the best in the nation at picking up 15 yard gains on 3rd down (but doesn't apply to the Red Zone).  Great stat, and it will go a long way against Arkansas.  He doesn't suck, and I love his fire.  I'm just sick of his whining.

You can beat Arkansas without whining.

JakeBuckeye's picture

He was asked these questions. Its not like he held a damn press conference just to get this off his chest. He's sick of getting disrespected just because we aren't the Ohio State Terrelle Pryors, unlike the Auburn Cam Newtons, the Michigan Denard Robinsons, the Northwestern Dan Persas, etc. etc. and when he was asked he got a little carried away. He probably shouldn't of said what he said but he doesn't deserve any venom for it.

He never minimized the other guys accomplishments either! I'm really starting to believe you didn't read the entire article. This just smells like you read one quote on a hate article and took off.

As for every thing you mentioned about on the field play, he would put up those statistics in big games if he ran the ball! Cam Newton is not much more impressive throwing the ball than Pryor. When he is, as I broke down earlier its because of his play action step back throws which Pryor can't possibly have in his arsenal unless/until the play calls let him. So all of that leaves running the ball, which Pryor rarely gets to do by desgin (which is the opposite in the case of Cam Newton.)

I also will not forget to once again mention how much Pryor's recievers (except Sanzenbacher) have repeatedly let him down last year. I even remember last year in the Rose Bowl Posey had one or two big drops.

Blame everything on TP, whatever, that's fine. Blame the Wisconsin game on TP (clearly you need to rewatch that game or watch more football in general if you think that game was his fault). Keep drooling over Cam Newton too. Soon enough Newton won't even exist according to NCAA records.

Bucksfan's picture

Well, I certainly gave you enough examples of where he didn't live up to his expectations.  You can take it or leave it.  But don't bother telling me I need to watch more football.  Tomcollins already did the analysis on the 50:50 thing for me, I already gave you in-game examples after you told me I was 100% wrong without saying why...there is plenty of football watched around these parts.  I don't just come on here and post an opinion without watching every minute of Buckeye football.  He's called upon to run in the red zone plenty.

Pryor's in no position to delve into hypotheticals.  Go out there and score TD's...that's his job when he's in the red zone against good teams.  That's why he was the #1 recruit.  If he doesn't execute, it's not because he wasn't given a running play.  Quit getting sacked, quit throwing for loss of yards, and quit getting picked.  Until then, he has no capital to put himself in the shoes of the national leaders, asked flat-out or not.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Do you remember Troy Smith's seasons? Specifically 2006? Pryor's numbers will actually be better by the end of the bowl game. You want this guy that throws for 350 a game with 70-100 rushing yards. Troy Smith never did that on a consistent basis. Heck, did he ever even do that in a single game? My point is not to trash one my favorite buckeyes ever in Troy Smith, but to prove to you that is nearly impossible to have the TP you expect under Jim Tressel. Its truly ridiculous of you to want Pryor to throw and run for what you say you want Pryor to throw and run for.

Attempts: 196 Completions: 298 Yards: 2551 Completion %: 65.8 YPC: 8.56 TD's: 25 INT'S: 11 Rating: 158.0
Attempts: 203 Completions: 311 Yards: 2542 Completion %: 65.3 YPC: 8.17 TD's: 30 INT's: 6 Rating: 161.9

The above is TP's junior year stats, while the latter is Troy Smith's senior season stats. Keep in mind this is comparing their respective junior and senior years. TP has yet to get a senior year. Also keep in mind that Pryor still has a bowl game to play in. These stats also don't even include each players running stats in which Pryor dominates Smith.

gwalther's picture

If you think TP's better than Troy, you're out of your goddamn mind.

 

Statistics don't come close to telling the whole story, in fact it's really easy to lie with them, but there is one stat up there that's very interesting: Pryor's 25tds and 11ints versus Smith's 30tds and only 6ints.

Int's like the one early in the USC game that they scored a TD off of; like the one that Iowa returned and punched in to take a 17-10 lead which necessitated our comeback; or INTs like at Wisconsin where Pryor was a whopping 14-28 for 156 yards, with 1int, and no TDs.

Outside of the Oregon game, that is what TP has done against top competition. I think THAT'S why people have a problem with him. His stats usually come against weak defenses: like the 334 against Indiana, the 270 against Purdue, and the 247 against Ohio.

 

It's telling to me that Terrelle Pryor is a third-year starting quarterback and he still isn't a Captain. That means somebody thinks there are leadership issues there; there weren't leadership issues, whether he was declared captain or not, when Troy Smith was on the field. Another big difference. Maybe it's just me, but I don't remember Troy throwing any tantrums on the sideline when Tressel decided to kick a field goal instead of go for it on 4th down (see: Pryor, Terrelle; Iowa game). These are some of the problems people have with TP.

Class of 2008

Buckeye Black's picture

It is extremely rare to see a non-senior captain at Ohio State.  Also, I don't know about you, but I was screaming to go for it on 4th instead of the FG too.  TP is a competitor, and a winner, who stays out of trouble off the field, and that makes him good in my book.  He has a chance to be 2-0 in BCS games and a shot at the national title next year, what more do you guys want?

btalbert25's picture

I don't see where he said TP was better than Troy, but perhaps that he's not as far off as people think.  Troy's Jr year, his weapons were Santonio, Ginn, and Gonzo with Pittman running the ball.  Posey or Sanzenbacher would've been the 3rd or lower option on that offense.  Pittman was a very good back, despite his shortcomings in the NFL but he Boom may be about a push, I'd still give the edge to Pittman. 

In now way do I think at this point TP compares to Troy as a passer.  Troy was quite a good passer at this point in time, but I don't think that TP is light years away from Troy as a QB either.  I think that's the common belief among some.  I think everyone remembers that Fiesta Bowl game against Notre Dame and a stellar senior year, but doesn't remember Troy F'd up now and then too.

JakeBuckeye's picture

"I don't see where he said TP was better than Troy, but perhaps that he's not as far off as people think."

Exactly. When did I say that? As for the rest of your reply, you hit the nail on the coffin.

gwalther's picture

Uh, you didn't. I guess how I structured my reply it seemed like that first comment was related to what followed. My bad on that.

 

The statement: "IF you think TP is better, then you're out of your mind" was a stand-alone statement. If you were to think that, you would be crazy. Get it? The rest was a reply to your statistical argument.

Class of 2008

btalbert25's picture

He delved into hypotheticals because he was asked the question by a reporter. 

gwalther's picture

Yo BUCKSFAN - I agree 100% with your take on Pryor:

 

"If he doesn't execute, it's not because he wasn't given a running play.  Quit getting sacked, quit throwing for loss of yards, and quit getting picked.  Until then, he has no capital to put himself in the shoes of the national leaders, asked flat-out or not."

Class of 2008

JakeBuckeye's picture

Cool. And when we all miss him at least I will be able to say I appreciated him.

btalbert25's picture

I'm just going to say this.  When it's all said and done, he'll probably have the most wins in a 4 year span by a starting QB, he's going to be one of the better passing and rushing QB's in Ohio State history, which I know longevity and basically starting for 4 years will give you some of those numbers.  He'll be 4-0 against Michigan, He'll get the SEC monkey off our back.  At worst he's going to be 2-2 in BCS bowls.  He could be the Heisman winner next year, and they have a shot to be in the hunt for the BCS title again.  Oh yeah, and claiming shared titles he could have 4 Big 10 titles under his belt. 

Most will probably say it was because of the defense, but teams achievements and shortcomings at any level of football, right or wrong, get placed on the QB.  He'll be one of the most successful QB's to ever play at Ohio State and yet a large percentage of the fan base will never give him credit for anything.  He was right when he said we couldn't fill his shoes with 10 pairs of socks.  It's easy for us as guys sitting on our duffs at work commenting on kids we've never met or known absolutely about.  It's not so easy when you are the kid who has 1000's of people on the internet talking trash about you.

tomcollins's picture

At worst 2-2 in BCS bowls?

You might not understand worst case scenarios.  Worst case we lose against Arkansas and don't make a BCS bowl next year.

btalbert25's picture

I made the comment on the with the belief that Ohio State is winning this bowl game.  When they do, the worst he will do is 2-2 in BCS bowls, because they will be in another one next year.  Mark it down now, it's going to happen.

I guess I should've said in my opinion, at worst this is how it's going to be.  I figured everyone would've been able to understand that, guess that's what I get for assuming.

Irricoir's picture

I agree with the majority of what you said, I offer you this though: If he were more humble and talked less (Controversially) he would have less haters. He hasn't done one particular thing well aside from winning and thats what matters. You can't hang your hat on his running because there are those used more for that scheme that produce a lot more than he does and he is not the best passing quarterback by a long shot. His passes in the short to intermediate range have a higher than expected incompletion rate. He is working hard to improve those things but he needs to understand that you only get the credit if you earn the credit. He is a great winning quarterback but he has no stats other than a record to state how good he really is. His ability to make a first down on 3rd and long with his legs is his shining accomplishment. That sole mark isn't great enough to win awards and accolades which is what is upsetting him so greatly. I take nothing away from his accomplishments. He just needs to shut his mouth and prove folks wrong with his improvements and accomplishments. If he can't say things correctly, regardless of his intent, then he needs to recognize his weakness in public speaking and let his abilities and production speak for him.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

btalbert25's picture

Perhaps, but even if he was putting up huge numbers and the team was winning people would still have a problem with him and things he says.  I just don't see it being an issue at most schools/states.  For whatever reason Ohio seems to like their stars modest super modest and buttoned up.