Tuesday Skull Session

By Johnny Ginter on October 19, 2010 at 6:00a
68 Comments

Happy(?) Tuesday everyone, and welcome to your morning Skull Session. Many of you may still be feeling the effects of the weekend, but fear not! For behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy for all the people: it is Homecoming week, a revenge week, and at the end of this post I will enthrall all of thou with some of the most embarrassing promotional videos American colleges have ever produced. So hold your heads high, Buckeye fans. Now is not the time to panic, or to seek salvation in the golden calf known as the NFL. No, now is the time for level-headedness, preparation, and like the man featured in the picture and my muse for day, we must stay cool as ice.

Indeed, to paraphrase that great poet Robert Van Winkle, this coming Saturday we will get revenge for those wackheads playing baseball with our bikes in West Lafayette last year, as I am fully confident we will go into Ohio Stadium and schling a schlong.

So it has been said, and so it shall be done. But first!

  Depth Chart No changes this week, although truthfully that doesn't mean much. The status of Ross Homan is still very much up in the air, and it is unknown if he will actually play. Remember, Stoneburner was listed first on the depth chart for both of the weeks he was out, which again tells me that pretty much the only time you're going to see a significant change on this thing is if someone gets run over by a train or robs a bank or something. In semi-related news, Clyde Barrow (of "Bonnie & Clyde") was once captured in my hometown in 1930. He did not appear on Sam Willaman's roster that week.

  An Apology, And Some Stats During the aftermath of the Wisconsin game, things obviously got heated in the comments thread and personally I feel that I did not do a great job of keeping a level head, and for that I am sorry. As a contributor here part of my job is to make sure things are run smoothly in the comments and to keep things civil, and I didn't do that job. One of the things that got me way too riled up was the assertion made by a few people that Jim Tressel is an equal to or worse than John Cooper as a head coach at OSU. Instead of getting angry, I should've just posted this:

 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  Seasons Record Win % 10+ Win Seasons 4+ Loss Seasons Best/Worst Record Bowls  Big 10 Titles vs UM
 Tressel 10 100-22 .820 7 2 14-0 / 7-5 5-4 6 8-1
Cooper 13 111-43-4 .715 5 7 (!!!) 11-1 / 4-6-1 3-8 3

2-10-1

The numbers speak for themselves. You can claim a weak Big Ten helped Tressel to his success, but the plain facts are that for nearly a decade he has sustained a level of excellence unheard of in an Ohio State coach since Woody Hayes. I'm not suggesting that Tressel is infallible, or that some of his decisions shouldn't be questioned, but I am saying that by any valuable statistical metric Jim Tressel is not only easily a better coach than John Cooper, but it is probable that he is the second best OSU coach of all time (sorry Carroll Widdoes). I am also saying that given this, and the way he conducts himself on and off the field, I find it hard to believe that many of us would trade him for any other coach in the country. Again: infallible? No. Frustrating? Often. Pretty freaking great overall? Yes.

  More On This Week In Perspective People who can be infallible, according to Catholic doctrine: popes. Not covered under this stance are people named after popes, and EDSBS sums up Urban's discontent and Florida's current 4-3 record in one nice fake magazine picture. How does this pertain to Ohio State? Florida's 10-7 loss to Mississippi State dropped them out of the Top 25 for the first time in 89 weeks, meaning that no team is even close to matching OSU's current 91 week streak (Alabama is second at 40).

  Let's Be Honest, Gridiron Is A Pretty Sweet Name I've been sitting on this link for a while, but for all of you expats living in the UK or people trying to introduce friends to the greatest sport ever devised by man, this series of videos put out by the BBC is a delightfully sophisticated approach to educating the Queen's masses about our strange and glorious pastime. Narrated by Nigel Ficklebottom III, he uses elegantly carved figurines to haha no I'm just kidding, it's really a big scary UK gridiron coach talking over clips from a Dolphins/Cowboys game. Still, it's an interesting perspective because it's directed at an audience way into sports, but not at all familiar with American Football. Oh, and also there's going to be a game between Notre Dame and Navy in Ireland in 2012. That's going to be sweet.

  The Grand Finale Over the years a few colleges have made some utterly horrible promo/sports videos, and I think it's high time someone put em in one place. If I leave any out please let me know, but otherwise... "enjoy."

 

 

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Matt's picture

YOU LEAVE CARROLL OUT OF THIS

iball's picture

Johnny, this article has renewed my faith in OSU and everything about it. I didn't think a couple silly vids would put things back into perspective so quickly, but by Jove, you've done it.

WITCHCRAFT I SAY!!! Those UGA students merely disappeared into thin air while crossing the street!! They LOGICALLY weigh as much as a duck!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpMjakNhZTc

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

TLB's picture

In all fairness to Coop, he did inherit a team of slow white guys.

But the results for Tress speak for themselves.   It's just not as pretty as some other teams do it.  Then again, those other teams don't seem to have the staying power.  They are up and down, fighting for a title every couple of years, while tOSU has been fighting for one seemingly every year.  It just hasn't worked out the way we all want, but it beats being a mediocre Capital One Bowl team every year.

German Buckeye's picture

We will be that medicore Cap One team this year vs. the #2 SEC team. 

Denny's picture

The real question is: Which coach would MR COOL ICE prefer?

Taquitos.

Chris Lauderback's picture

I wonder if Mr Cool Ice is a member of the Black Widows gang that was after Clint Eastwood?

Natty Light's picture

i have been too upset to read anything in the wisco aftermath.  can someone give me cliffs on the rest of the season?

 

to win the B10 we need to win out and have iowa beat MSU and wisco?

to go to a BCS bowl other than the rose (assuming MSU is not in the MNC) we need to win out and have iowa beat either of them?

 

I can't imagine tressels's supposed most talented team ever not being in a BCS bowl at 11-1.  sucks we dont play sparty...we'd crush them

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

If Ohio State goes 11-1, there is no way they would be left out of a BCS Bowl.  Lets just say MSU goes undefeated and heads to the Rose Bowl...

The BCS committee would want Ohio State over an undefeated Boise State and TCU/Utah.

Alabama, Auburn, and LSU all play each other still so at best there would be an undefeated team coming from the SEC West.

So given that scenario...

OU and Oregon - NC

MSU and Boise State - Rose

Florida State and WVU - Orange

Alabama and TCU - Sugar

Ohio State vs Auburn - Fiesta

tomcollins's picture

Not sure Rose takes Boise with the #2 (or #1 pick).  Alabama, FSU would be locked in.

TCU would only go if none of Texas/Nebraska/ACC runner up were not eligible (assuming Boise gets an automatic bid).

Available at-larges left would be Ohio State, Pac-10 Team (Stanford or Arizona), Big 12 Team, ACC Team, TCU with 3 spots.

Assuming Oregon #1, it would be:

Rose: MSU vs. Pac-10 #2

Fiesta: Ohio State vs. ACC #2

Sugar: Alabama vs. Big 12 #2

Orange: FSU vs. Boise

Subject to eligibility of course.

RoweTrain's picture

If Oregon plays for the MNC, the Rose must take an eligible non-AQ for the second spot opposite of the Big Ten #1 this year.

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

I just can't see an 11-1 Ohio State, who, as of right now, is ranked 10th in the BCS, getting left out of a major bowl. It would be damn near impossible. 

If someone can come up with a scenario, I'd like to see it.

The only way I see it going down is if Wisconsin goes 11-1 and MSU goes 12-0 and somehow Wisconsin jumps over Ohio State.

tomcollins's picture

Even then, it's unlikely.  Remember, they don't have to take the higher ranked team (unless they are #3 or #4, or no one else is available).  It's about $$$.  While there is an argument that Wisconsin hasn't been there in a long time and their fans would be pumped up, it's virtually impossible to pass up Ohio State for them.

tomcollins's picture

Tressel has his issues, but anyone suggesting he is equal or worse than Cooper is hilariously misinformed.  There may have been a few things Cooper did better, but the day he was ousted and the day Tressel was hired were probably 2 of the top 10 days in Ohio State football this century.

iball's picture

Hindsight is always 20/20. If I remember correctly, most folks wanted Glen Mason or Mike Belotti.

Even with the stats Johnny posted, to say the suggestion that Tress is equal to JHC is hilariously misinformed, is itself hilariously misinformed.

Fans grew tired of losing to scUM every year and always being one step away from a title, my question is simply how long will Tress have before the majority grows tired of his teams coming up short? And no, beating Michigan this year does not make it all better. 

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

Kansas City Buckeye's picture

Don't forget Bob Stoops.  I remember people wanting Bob Stoops to "come home" back in 2001.  People in Oklahoma love him, yet he has blown more national Championship games (3) then Ohio State.

Johnny Ginter's picture

iball, in what tangible way is john cooper a better coach than Jim Tressel?

Matt's picture

He wore a Starter jacket, and Tressel does not. <-----BOOM BLEW UR MIND

Johnny Ginter's picture

damn you're right those were so freakin clutch

tomcollins's picture

Cooper had better offensive lines, possibly.  More NFL talent possibly?  I'd have to run the data.  I'm sure there are a few things that Cooper was better than Tressel at.  But not overall.

iball's picture

I never said Coop was better. I just said Tress is a penalty away from being JHC and everyone went ape shit. So far, the score in my book is Tress 1 - Coop 0.  Not a blowout. We're a championship school.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

iball's picture

Johnny, no more Mr. Nice Guy. In all honesty, you haven't contributed a truly insightful article since you were given the 11W license. You've displayed nothing but true homerism and thats just not the type of attitude that is healthy for the university or 11W. You've got about as much say in what goes on with Buckeye football as I do. Being an alumn doesn't place you higher on the pecking order either. Just read the comments in this section. Half the folks on here sound like they are on the fence about Tressel, yet you defend him as the second coming of Woody Hayes. I don't think he's that great of a coach. He is consistently unprepared in his gameplans, and a good majority of his wins are overrated. Why all the sudden does the BCS, which we all despise, suddenly back up your reasons for Tressel's excellence. Scratch the Notre Dame win for one. His defenses choked at least 3 times when big stops were needed under his reign. '04 Texas, '09 USC, '10 Wisconsin.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

Matt's picture

I've been reading and active with 11W since 2006, and I've always found Bup Bup Bup to have insightful things to add, first as Bup Bup Bup and then as the artist formerly known as Bup Bup Bup with full 11W overlord privileges.  I've also enjoyed your insights, I-ball, but the ad hominem stuff is just not necessary here.  I think you're taking the general disagreement with your opinions re: the team/Tressel/whither the Buckeyes way too personal.  Better to respectfully agree to disagree and move on with the season.

JakeBuckeye's picture

I think me and you have at the very least done a decent job from keeping it heated between the two of us despite our STRONG disagreements.

That being said, I have MANY things I'd like to say to you right now but can't bring myself to say over the internet, especially after reading this comment of your's.

poguemahone's picture

I don't think anywhere near 50% of the commenters at 11W, or even 50% of the people in the entire fanbase, are "on the fence" about Tressel. I'd wager nearly every one of them want JT as our head coach. Some may disagree with his decisions, some may want him to hire an offensive coordinator, but "on the fence" about him? Definitely stretching it.

If you're going to argue that Tressel's "not that great of a coach", I don't know what to say to you. By any measure of an elite coach, he's delivered: a national championship, countless conference championships, a Heisman winner, littering the draft with NFL talent annually. So he's lost a couple games the last two seasons that he shouldn't have. Is he any less of a Hall of Famer? Haters and doubters may think so, but realistically, it doesn't tarnish his status as a top-5 coach. If you're going to argue he's worse than Cooper, than well... I'm at a loss for words. You see the table above. It's not even close.

Denny's picture

. . . compared to all of the truly insightful articles that you have contributed?

I get it. Everybody is smarter, more well-versed, and handsomer than everyone else online than in real life. But lay off the 5-hour energy, man. It's a hell of a lot easier to knock people's work when you have no idea the amount of work that goes into it. It's pretty easy to set up a wordpress or blogger account (or Bleacher/Report-slash-WaPo LOLOL) and write your own shit and find your audience. Write good work, take the time to figure out how difficult, time-consuming, and mind-numbing it can be blogging. 

Just because you think Tressel is a complete failure at life doesn't mean that "half of the folks on here" agree. It just means you've distorted their words to back up your opinion.

And as one of those ALUMNI, who sit on our perch and look down at the unfortunate people without a degree from The Ohio State University, the fact that Tressel loves the UNIVERSITY and is the best steward he can be for Ohio's flagship public university means a LOT to me. Hiring some mercenary coach who cares not for the school is the last thing I want to see.

Taquitos.

BED's picture

I think we're forgetting that beating scUM always makes it better.  No matter how bad the season.

The Ohio State University, College of Arts & Sciences, Class of 2006
The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009

Poe McKnoe's picture

Jim Tressel never let a man named Tshimanga Biakabutuka run for 313 yards, and for that he is the winner.  Coop was good at getting talent, but he wasn't as good at the team thing.

bcWEcouldn&#039;tGOfor3's picture

+ Infinity

If I may, please let me make one addition....

 

6-6 Michigan State coming into Columbus to knock off possibly the greatest Ohio State team ever assembled.

iball's picture

Really, because in '06 fans were calling that the best OSU team ever assembled, and look what happened.

Addition denied, thanks for playing.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

gravey's picture

I can recall the Cooper years very, very distinctly.  I'm glad they are gone; but not because of the failures against Michigan, but because of the off-the-field stuff.   I can handle losses.  I can't handle shame.  Better look at that South Carolina loss, the last of Coop's if you want to feel ashamed of your Buckeyes.  I've never felt like that while Tress was coach.

 

Oh..and by the way, this isn't Tress' best squad.  That group was the one that beat down ND in the Fiesta....too bad they weren't fully together at the beginning of that season.

CDbucks's picture

Tressel's best squad was the team that went undefeated and beat UM in the 'game of the century'. I will always believe this. 

Unfortunately we got complacent (which I ultimately lay on the coach) during the break, came out unprepared (again, on the coach), entitled (ditto) and unlucky (ginn injury, troy's heisman bloat) and got our behinds handed to us on a silver platter. 

So while Tressel's players don't get in trouble with the law (his credit), when we come out completely vulnerable and inexcusably lazy like we did in that game I feel ashamed of the effort his teams put forth. And I put that on him. 

It is what it is.  

Sigh

taoduh's picture

I have a hard time calling 2006 Tressel's best squad.  Especially with UM getting exposed in the bowl game as well.

That defense was not nearly as special as several other units.  It was also relatively weak at OT but then that's typical unfortunately.  Best offense though, I could agree with that.

Someone else mentioned 2005.  That is a great contender.  That team was always good for a mental lapse or two a game - most especially fumbled punts - but in talent that might be it.

Bucksfan's picture

This team lost to Wisconsin...so what?  Nothing is guaranteed in this game, and you are far more likely to lose at least one conference game than to go through unscathed.  We knew that if this team was going to lose, it'd probably be against either Wisconsin or Iowa, both of whom are top tier this year.  Yeah it was a pretty good beat down, but a wise man once said:

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes.

Gotta hope the Bucks can pull it together and take down Iowa, perhaps earn at least a share of the Big Ten.  If not, I know a few of you are dogging the Capitol One Bowl, but there are only 3 realistic chances at playing an SEC team in any given season - NC, Capitol One, and Outback.  And now given the new Big Ten deal with the Gator Bowl, it might even become less likely.  So, it might be 3rd on the list of post-season priorities, but getting a 1 in the win column against the SEC in a bowl might go farther than actually winning a 2nd consecutive Rose...that is, if you're interested in what everyone else thinks.

JoshAlum's picture

Beating South Carolina or LSU or Alabama or Auburn in a bowl game would be a great end to the season. Not the greatest, but still pretty choice.

blazers34's picture

3 Star Dublin Coffman QB Cole Stoudt committed to Wyoming.  Good for him. Lot of talent in Ohio

Squirrel Master's picture

"That was a wicked googly! Watch as this backa droives roight inta that posh bastard before he releases tha futbol! He definitely deserves a red card penalty for that. Isn't that a load of bollocks Liam?"

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Matt's picture

Great, we won't have Christian Bryant and Ross Homan for the Purdue game, and likely longer.

Squirrel Master's picture

and Devon Torrence. Oh wait he was on the field, just not covering anyone!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Chris Lauderback's picture

Maybe Torrence was trying to throw a blanket on Chekwa's charred remains at the time?

Pam's picture

"Last night as I tried to distance myself from the anguish of losing to the Badgers, my mind began to wonder.

I recalled the devastating, colossal losses of Jim Tressel's career: Michigan 2003, Iowa '04, Texas '05, Illinois '07, USC '08 & '09, and of course, Florida and LSU. Each year owns an epic failure of this kind, where, less these events, another trophy might be collecting dust in the Woody Hayes Center; where each is punctuated with a theme of either one-sidedness or a grasping at greatness, both only to end with devastation. Cut to Ryan Hamby bobbling a pass in the end zone. Without much effort, it is as if each was made anew.

It is easy to follow the familiar path of indignation to the size of the loss and the unaffected demeanor of Tressel. And further dissatisfaction with another national exhibition filed under "Overrated". Dissatisfied with the disparity between expectations and execution. 21-0, two minutes into the second quarter. The number ONE team in the country. That really says it all. If you can't handle this, you don't deserve a chance to embarrass the entire state of Ohio against Boise State in January.

But as reason sets in, I remember two coaches at mid-field—reminding me of so many other, similar exchanges. I remember the now fired Tim Brewster embarrassing himself after a blowout loss last week, a thrown headset in Tennessee, Butch Jones's red face in Cincinnati, a sputtering John L. Smith at half-time in 2005, the rantings of Lloyd Carr, and yes, even the scene of a Clemson player on the sidelines of the 1978 Gator Bowl. Coaches with a style and demeanor more synonymous with a drunken soccer fan than someone who may represent me, or my school, or my favorite team, or my state.

Cut to another scene, as Jim Tressel walks across a field to provide genuine congratulations to his counterpart, and then go single out his opponent's quarterback and congratulate him, and then go back to the locker room and pick up the pieces. Then pick up the pieces when he gets home to Columbus. And do it again on media day. Call another play. Run another practice. Play another game. Guide another season to its close.

Suddenly my dissatisfaction has faded. 11-1 and a bowl game. Beat Michigan. Share a Big Ten title, maybe. Maybe watch an old friend take Sparty to a title game. Get Pryor back next year and reload. If he stays, he breaks every offensive record at OSU. Maybe a Heisman. Maybe another shot at the title.

In any event, we’ll always have a dog in the fight. A light of constant strain, whose staying power is seldom questioned, and an image which transcends trite idioms like good sportsmanship, mostly because he embodies that quality to a degree that might convince you he invented it.

Krenzel, Smith, Pryor, Doss, Gamble, Hawk, whose face do you remember best? I remember a grey-haired, unassuming coach with a headset, vigorously chewing gum, and wearing something called a sweater-vest."
http://blog.dispatch.com/wholf/2010/10/the_reality_of_the_situation_1.shtml

 

Jason Priestas's picture

Impressive: J-school at Northwestern, a masters in a journalism from Columbia and cute!

TLB's picture

Yeah.............but Neutron Man?

Squirrel Master's picture

Eloquent and well written. It is hard when you have high expectations to sit back and realize that Ohio State football has been a top program almost every year for a decade.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Pam's picture

I have said this many many times: There is only one man I want coaching my Buckeyes and that man is Jim Tressel. 

blazers34's picture

this x800,000 and probably more

O-H Kee Pa's picture

I'm a JT backer through and through. However, I'd like to bring up a professional scenario that I was in that might eventually apply to our football program. I worked for a non-profit in which the executive director was there for 32 years. Despite complete and utter mismanagement, he had the backing ($$$) of the community. He became more important than the organization, and his backers couldn't separate him from the organization. They were one and the same. I've never called for JT's head on any Buckeye board, but it's not totally inconceivable that we could be in a situation similar to this in a few years (or maybe not considering his contract is only through 2014). At one point can people separate the good of the program from the charming, Midwestern sensibilities of the HC that everyone has fallen in love with?

 

Again, not trying to cause anything. I'm just curious...

Pam's picture

But Jim Tressel has not utterly mismanaged the organization which is why he still has the backing of the AD, Gee and the trustee's. Ohio State football brings in enough cash to fund the entire AD.  About 900 athlettes are on scholarship paid for with football money.  Jim Tressel is, and I believe will be until he choses to leave, good for the program. 

O-H Kee Pa's picture

I don't disagree, Pam. The situation i was referencing could be considered similar to what PSU is going through now. Fortunately, we have a coach who's life isn't defined by football and OSU. JT will know when it's time...

Doc's picture

Pam,

I completely agree with you.  My problem is the let down EVERY year.  I'm beginning to believe that Pryor does not have the grey matter it takes to take us to the promised land.  He is a once in a lifetime talent, but not very smart.  Just listen to his comments, he seems to be searching for the next word.  I believe it is the same thought processes he has during a passing play.  Troy Smith and Krenzel, for sure, were more cerebral footballers.  Football is a thinking mans game and unfortunately TP doesn't seem to be a thinker.

I hope the Buckeyes can run the table.  I just don't think they are MNC game material against anybody.  Iowa is going to be a real fight, don't be surprised if it isn't a night game too.

Doc

"Say my name."

Pam's picture

My comment about Tressel being the only man I want to coach the Buckeyes has as much or more to do with off the field.  If the promised land is a NC every year, he is not the coach for you.  However, for me having a been a of fan of this team and of CFB for 40 years, I have come to see how important consistency, fairness, sportsmanship, humility,optimism, class and just plain decency, are.  I look at some of the coaches who act like total jerks and it is overlooked as long as they are winning.  But when they start losing (like Meyer) they are still the same jerk.  With Tressel is is truly what you see is what you get and I happen to like what I see. 

O-H Kee Pa's picture

Couldn't agree more. However, let me play devil's advocate. We're Ohio State. The promised land is/should be the NC game every year. We're not Little Engine That Could U. with a coach that represents our values. The "Go Team! Fight! Win Conference" mentality doesn't work anymore in the world of college football (as it's currently constituted).

Chris Lauderback's picture

Pam and Tressel sittin' in a tree...K-I-S-S-I-N-G :)

Pam's picture

I am not the least bit embarassed to admit I love me some Jim Tressel.  And considering that he answers my e-mail, I think JT loves me. 

btalbert25's picture

What program can honestly try to win a NC every year.  I have this awful feeling that if he beat Florida and LSU we would still be having this conversation right now.  People have complained about his style of play since day 1, though time and time he's proved them wrong.  Has this team lost some big games?  Sure, but they've also won games there weren't supposed to or shouldn't have. 

Again, every program has disappointment and most of them do every year.  Outside of Boise State.  Fact of the matter is, no teams have over 2 BCS titles.  This program is one of the only ones that for the last 8 years has been in the conversation basically every year.  Maybe that's where the disappointment comes from.  LSU, despite having 2 titles, really hasn't been a serious contender since they beat the Buckeyes.  Florida competes for a year or 2 then has a bad team.  Bama is kind of new to the game the last 3 years.  In fact,  Oklahoma and USC are the only ones to share the success and press the Buckeyes have.  So, if you goal is to be in the title hunt every year, I don't see another coach out there who really puts their team in a better position year in and year out.

tomcollins's picture

If we would have beaten LSU and Florida, you would be driving down Jim Tressel Avenue to get to the game.

Chris Lauderback's picture

Iowa is in November so it can't be a night game, right? At least I think that rule is still in effect?

tomcollins's picture

From what I know, that "rule" is more of a very strong suggestion more than anything concrete.  I could be wrong.

Chris Lauderback's picture

Agreed. I didn't necessarily mean to call it a rule though I'd be shocked if the Iowa game was a night kickoff.

Denny's picture

By mid-November, 3:30 games are more or less night games anyways. Last year's Iowa game was dark by the end.

Taquitos.

Chris Lauderback's picture

I agree they are night games from a lighting perspective. It's the hostile environment typically enhanced by true night starts that we want to avoid.

BuckeyeChief's picture

Good quote from the Senator regarding injuries in the secondary:

 

So the Buckeyes are now missing three of their top five players at the safety/star position. Tressel said the two most likely options to replace Bryant are to move starting safety Jermale Hines back to the star, which he has played in the past, in the nickel defense and play senior Aaron Gant at safety, or play junior Nate Oliver at the star, a position he played a lot in spring football while Moeller was out of contact drills and Bryant was still in high school.

Either way, the Buckeyes are dipping pretty far into their secondary depth.

"Someone's got to step up," Tressel said. "I mean, who cares how difficult it is? ... Regardless of how difficult it is, we've got to have someone ready. That's why you get to practice Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and have walk-throughs on Friday. If you want anyone to care that you've had three guys in your secondary hurt, you're coaching the wrong sport at the wrong school because we've got to be ready."
 
 

 

He sounds fired up...

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Pam's picture

Did he have a hair out of place?  That's ususally how I can tell he is fired up.

btalbert25's picture

Other than the Florida game, when has a Tressel team truly come up short?  His team was not expected to win against LSU, USC, and Texas in the bowl game.  The idea that he has only won because the Big 10 was down is absurd too.  Seriously, throughout his tenure, Michigan has been favored to beat the Buckeyes quite often.  Penn State has been as good or better as well.  Iowa and Wisconsin have been tough teams to beat.  Purdue has had a few good seasons sprinkled in.  There have always been a couple of teams out there that are legitmately good.  If anything, there were years this team has won the Big 10 that they absolutely should not have. 

You lose games like this once in a while, but are we really going to say this program is just mediocre?  Seriously?  There have been 3 losses that were not very close.  Any other "big Game" loss during his tenure were great games overall.  Even this game Saturday they drew very close to winning before the Defense failed. 

What team doesn't have disappointment every year?  How many undefeated seasons has Florida had in their run?  Are Bama fans ready to take down Nick Saban after they were embarrassed on the road by an inferrior team?  Were they after the were majorly embarrassed on national TV by UTAH, yes UTAH, that was worse than any big game flop the Buckeyes had.  I don't recall Surfer Pete being burnt at the stake for losing to a bottom feeder PAC 10 Team every year, despite the fact that he had a run for a few years of having more talent than some NFL teams.  On paper, they shouldn't have lost a game for 5 years.  Urban Meyer has had embarrassing losses, Michigan beat them, yeah the same year they l ost to App State.  Mac Brown and Bob Stoops have had trouble too.  I just don't know how loaud their fan bases have screamed to get rid of them.  I wasn't around for the Hayes years, but I wonder if people felt this way about him at times too?  He had bad teams and losses.  He did things that made himself and the university look like fools.  But to read comments on here, that was the Golden age when nothing was ever bad or wrong with Ohio State football.  At least I know Tressel will never make the institution look like a bunch of fools.  AND, he'll always put a good product on the field.

Kurt's picture

First of all the USC 08 game was ours for the taking.  We were as good or better than USC even without Beanie.  To me that was a major realization that Tressel had some significant faults and his coordinators weren't all that amazing.  

Secondly, the Big Ten has sucked.  And I mean look at the coaching withing the conference and innovation.  That's where the SEC has had us beaten for the past 10 or so years, even the Pac-10 of the past 5-8 years (Carroll, Sarkisian, Riley, Kelly, Stoops).  Tressel has been good, but somewhat unchallenged.  Now, I don't mean to say that if he had been challenged more within the conference he'd have been given a pink slip by now, not at all.  What I mean is that if Tress's OSU teams of the past 5 years had been challenged more within the conference we would not have seen those humiliating losses to Florida, LSU and USC. 

I really think that Bama and Texas, etc, generally compete in more competitive conferences (at least they've had a goddamn championship game) and so losing a game within the conference is more easily accepted or understood.  Whereas when you hardly work up a sweat within your conference then totally shit the bed in a bowl or a big non-conference game it's becomes clear that something is amiss.  

JakeBuckeye's picture

We were not better than USC in 2008, even with Beanie, LET ALONE without.

tomcollins's picture

 

2008 USC was one of the absolute best defenses of all time in college football.  We were definitely outmatched there.  2009 is another story.