Revenge Denied

By Chris Lauderback on September 11, 2010 at 7:32p
79 Comments

So much for the revenge angle. Looking to heal the wounds suffered eight seasons ago in Tempe, Miami simply didn't have the personnel stay with Ohio State as the Buckeyes rode a stifling defense and the back of Terrelle Pryor capturing a convincing 36-24 victory this afternoon in a raucous Ohio Stadium. If not for continued shoddy special teams play, the margin of victory would have been larger but 4 INTs from the defense and 346 total yards and two scores from Pryor left no doubt as to which program is currently superior.

It seemed like it might be a nailbiter early. After Devin Barclay gave OSU a 3-0 lead following a Nathan Williams interception of Jacory Harris, the Miami special teams exposed Ohio State as Lamar Miller got loose for an 88 yard TD return and a 7-3 lead. Ohio State failed to respond going 3 and out with Pryor looking shaky - nearly throwing a 3rd and 6 interception. The defense would hold but the Buckeyes again went 3 and out on a highly conservative possession that started from their own 11 yard line. Pryor was just 3/8 to that point and after a 32 yard shank from Ben Buchanan, the 'Canes were in business near midfield. Harris would complete just one pass on the mini-drive but Matt Bosher delivered a 51 yard FG pushing Miami in front 10-3.

Enter Pryor. Looking to shake off the slow start, Pryor dropped back and lobbed a perfect 62 yard teardrop to DeVier Posey putting OSU in the red zone at Miami's 18. Before I could even get concerned about red zone woes past, Pryor unleashed a back shoulder throw that Brandon Saine plucked out of the air amidst tight coverage tying the game at 10 with 12:23 left in the 2nd quarter. The two play, 80 yard drive took exactly 42 ticks and order was restored.

John Simon halted Miami's ensuring possession with a bull rush sack on 2nd and 8 putting Miami in a 3rd and long at their own 27. Realizing the D was too much, Shannon dialed up a two yard run and a punt giving OSU the ball at their own 35. Needing some separation, Pryor then led a 10 play drive featuring a lumbering 10 yard run on 3rd and 3 before confidently stepping into a 3rd and 14 completion to Dane Sanzenbacher for 18 yards. Pryor had his struggles on the drive, however, nearly tossing two picks before throwing an incompletion intended for Jake Stoneburner on 3rd down as Olivier Vernon raced in untouched. Though the drive stalled, Barclay delivered a 41 yard FG and a 13-10 OSU lead with 7:03 left in the half. The drive pushed OSU's total yardage advantage to 193-69 but Pryor was just 6/15 through the air.

After another pooch kickoff, Chimdi Chekwa picked off Harris on the first play from scrimmage setting up the Bucks at the 'Cane 18 yard line. The offense capitalized immediately as Pryor found Sanzenbacher on a 10 yard crossing route before Boom Herron hit paydirt on a 4 yard scamper putting Ohio State in front 20-10. How about Boom Herron today? The sometimes maligned 1A starter was the better alternative today as the holes weren't as gaping nor did they stay open for long. Boom attacked the line of scrimmage today whereas Saine was far too selective and dancy in the backfield. Granted he definitely didn't have much space to work with but Boom managed to average 4.7 (14/66) per carry behind the same hogs.

Before the fans had a chance regroup following the TD, special teams struck again as the pooch kickoff gave Miami the ball at their own 38. Harris appeared to finally find some rhythm picking on Torrence for a 20 yard completion to Travis Benjamin followed by another hookup to Benjamin for 12. Needing to stiffen with Miami at the OSU 28, Harris underthrew an open Leonard Hankerson with Chekwa in loose coverage before John Simon blew up a 3rd and 8 play forcing a rushed throw. Showing a chink in their special teams, Bosher pushed a 46 yard FG try keeping the score at 20-10 good guys.

The offense failed to extend the lead with maybe the worst possesion of the day, a 3 and out featuring Saine getting blown up for -3, a Pryor misfire to Posey that should have been picked and a 7 yard QB keeper on 3rd and 13 forcing a punt. Buchanan got off a decent 46 yarder but the gunners overran the play and before I could finish my profanity laced living room tirade, Benjamin had raced 79 yards to the house cutting the lead to 20-17 with 3:04 left in the 2nd quarter. Jordan Hall put his stamp on the game moments later returning the kickoff 47 yards to the Miami 28 yard line. The offense could only muster a 21 yard FG from Barclay as Pryor was just 1/4 on the scoring "drive" missing Boren and Stoneburner inside the Miami  however the points gave the Bucks a 23-17 lead with a minute left in the half and they weren't done yet.

After another short kickoff gave Harris the ball at his own 33, he took a quick drop on 1st and 10 and threw a laster toward the right sideline. Chimdi Chekwa alertly stole the pass away from a bobbling Benjamin and returned it 15 yards to the Miami 27 yard line. The offense again failed to step on the neck of the 'Canes setting for another FG (24 yds) from Barclay despite having it 1st and goal from the seven after a TP to Posey 26 yard hookup in which Pryor calmly stepped up and moved right in a collapsing pocket before hitting Posey on a crossing route. Horrible clock management killed any chance for six. On 2nd and goal, Pryor hit Posey for 3 yards on a slant then stared back at the bench thinking they wanted a timeout. No TO was called however so Pryor was forced to rush, take a snap and and sprint the right sideline for a 3 yard loss. The mismangement left just :02 left and Barclay's FG made it 23-17 at the half. Why not call timeout after the 2nd down play, throw it in the endzone on 3rd down and then kick a FG if necessary? Strange. I'm writing this prior to JT's presser so I'm sure what occurred will come out then.

The Buckeyes dominated the half outgaining the 'Canes 260-103 while holding them to 1.9 per carry with three turnovers.

The second half got off to an inauspcious start with Miami driving to the OSU 9 yard line but on 3rd and goal, Cam Heyward dropped back in coverage and picked off a Harris throw before plodding 80 yards to the Miami 15 yard line. Harris never even glanced Cam's way as he nimbly stepped in front of the receiver and made a textbook two hand grab. The Buckeyes were celebrating in the end zone two plays later as Pryor rolled right, stepped up and cut back across the left side of the field waltzing untouched to paydirt. OSU 33, Miami 17 with 10:16 left in the 3rd.

Heacock and company nursed the lead staying in more conservative base defense which contributed to a 14 play drive but Miami came up empty thanks to a holding penalty erasing a 17 yard catch, an illegal shift wiping out another huge gainer to the OSU 3 and later a false start on 3rd and 10. The drive was also nullified as Torrence blanketed Laron Byrd coming up with a big time pass breakup in the back of the left endzone. Torrence was playing the ball the entire play and got his hands in between the taller receiver. Great play. Torrence allowed some catches today but they were all in front of him and he also came up big in run support. After Jermale Hines forced 4th down with a bone jarring hit at the goal line to cause a dropped pass, Torrence struck again blocking Bosher's 39 yard field goal try. The senior also turned in a career high tying eight tackles. Hell of a day.

With eyes on putting the game on ice, the offense took the field and Boom sprung loose on a well timed shovel pass blazing 47 yards up the right side. Again inside the red zone thanks to a facemask penalty at the end of Boom's run, the line couldn't create any seams and both Saine and Pryor went nowhere. After a completion to Saine fell short of first down, Barclay delivered with a 24 yard FG expanding the OSU lead to 36-17 late in the third period.

Again, a soft D focused on chewing clock allowed Miami to move the ball with Harris eventually hitting Chase Ford for a nine yard score. Still, at 36-24 one minute into the 4th quarter, it was clear this one was over. The Bullets would force a turnover on downs at the OSU 39 midway through the period and the offense promptly ran out the final 7:31 as Tressel classily dialed up three straight take-a-knee's from the Miami six yard line. Game over.

ETC

  • Ross Homan was quietly everywhere with 10 stops.
  • As expected, Tress buttoned it up in the 2nd half as Pryor attempted just 4 passes after throwing 24 in the first half.
  • The special teams could be a concern all year considering the lack of depth on Basil's kickoffs. No question guys aren't staying in their lanes and are missing tackles but low kicks to the 10 don't help the cause.
  • The Bucks had tfour scoring drives under a minute (3 TD, FG)
  • Pryor's 233 passing, 133 rushing marked the 4th time in OSU history that the QB went for 200+ through the air and 100+ on the ground. Pryor now has three of those four games. And counting. 20 carries for 113? Sick.
  • Offensive turnovers through two games: 0
  • Takeaways through two games: 7
  • That's all we got for now. Time to go out and celebrate! Apologies in advance for probable rushed grammatical errors.
79 Comments

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SouthBayBuckeye's picture

B/R said Pryor played like doo... but that's standard crap from them.

 

honestly, i'm with you. no turnovers and a hell of a game on the ground and through the air. F comp % it's all about DA DOUBLE U!!!! haha

 

JaFOURy H4rris 4 Hesiman!!!

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flipbuckeye's picture

lol. da double u. sbb on a roll.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

I've been tappin the rockies.

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flipbuckeye's picture

Still, at 36-24 one minute into the 4th quarter, it was clear this one was over.

Disagree. No lead is safe when Jim Heacock is your DC.

cyt_buck's picture

yeah thats what i would say too...i was thinking o god this is where we let them back into the game

Chris Lauderback's picture

I know where you are coming from but I felt like we could lock them down if we wanted but heacock was just guarding against a quick score. Plus, I didn't think Harris/miami had the juice to execute consistently anyway.

yrro's picture

I'd say that soft zone worked exactly like it was supposed to today. It amazes me when people can bitch about a DC whose team had four picks, gave up 10 points (one in pseudo-garbage time when the oponent was down by three scores), and overall completely dominated the game.

Of the leads blown by the Buckeyes in the last two years, one we lost the game on a poorly done blitz and *overly* agressive play by a safety, and one we lost because USC's monster line went three yards and a cloud of dust down the whole field, converting multiple times on fourth down.

OSU's defense is the best in the country over the last five years, and *still* people bitch about Heacock... Sorry, I'm just not buying it any more.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

I'd say that soft zone worked exactly like it was supposed to today. It amazes me when people can bitch about a DC whose team had four picks, gave up 10 points (one in pseudo-garbage time when the oponent was down by three scores), and overall completely dominated the game

 

word.

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Chris Lauderback's picture

Well said, yrro. Scheme definitely worked today. The O and special teams are usually the culprits when we don't put away teams. Not the D

Eric Sammie Byrne's picture

Chimdi's 'picks' should have been completions for Miami.  Against better competition they are not going to be picks, but completions extending drives against Heacock's soft zone.

Williams pick was lucky.  Barnett crushed the receiver and Williams was in the right spot at the right time.  If that play is re-ran 99 more times Nathan doesn't pick another one.  It's just an incompletion on 2nd down (i think).

The only legetimite pick was Cam's, stepping in between the receiver and the ball.

Don't get me wrong, the Run D was awesom, but the pass D was inconsistent at best.  Against a better quarterback, the secondary will get picked apart because they play so soft.

It was a win, but Miami made the D look much better than it was.

Thumping your chest because the opponent dropped passes and ran wrong routes doesn't make your defense great.  Makes it lucky.

 

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

btalbert25's picture

What QB and receivers on the Ohio State Schedule will be better than Harris and his WR's?   I don't know of any, seriously.  That was the one strong spot on the team everyone was worried about coming in.

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

OSU is lucky they recruit better athletes than Miami.  Also lucky they have better coaches that teach them not to do stupid things that can lose a game.  And lucky they have been to more BCS games than any team in the country.  Just so damn lucky.

Eric Sammie Byrne's picture

And i'm sure USC, LSU and Florida were just lucky to move down the field at will against Heacock's defendes.

 

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

poguemahone's picture

I love how the "soft zone" meme continues to persist, even after Heacock's schemes completely pantsed talented offenses at Penn State, Michigan and against Oregon and Wisconsin. Yes, Ohio State frustrating deployed extensive zone coverage in the 3rd quarter, allowing the Canes to rack up yards and make the game look competitive, but when the game was in doubt, there was a healthy mix of man and zone that frustrated a probable top-15 offense to the tune of 3 points. Don't let second half stats against a prevent defense fool you: the defense dominated a team that most thought was good for 3+ offensive TDs yesterday. And that was even with Chekwa's first half struggles.

Simply put, if the special teams coverage units weren't terrible yesterday, we're talking about a 36-10 win and an all-but-assured trip to Glendale.  I find complaints about the ST and the offense's inability to score touchdowns in the red zone to hold far more water than anything about the defense right now.

Eric Sammie Byrne's picture

And did they 'pantsed' elite teams like LSU, Florida and USC.  Hate to bring back bad memories, but all 3 teams had huge passing games against Heacocks D.
It's one thing to 'pantsed' UM, MSU, Ilinois, Indiana, insert mac school here.  It's another to 'pantsed' elite teams.

Soft zone works wonders when your d-line can get pressure, something Heacock's teams have never been able to do against elite teams since he's been the DC.

When the game was in doubt in the 3rd quarter(up by nine) Heacock sat in the soft zone and Harris lead the team down the field until Cam made an outstanding play, on a zone blits where 5 rushed and Harris had plenty of time to deliver the ball.  An elite QB probably does not throw that pick.  Harris is not an elite QB.

The goal is to win national championships, not big ten championships.
Sorry, but Heacock proven that he is not good enough to win national championships.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

poguemahone's picture

Eric, I'm asking this seriously: is English your first language? 

Eric Sammie Byrne's picture

If you can't offer a counter argument to my points why respond?

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

poguemahone's picture

Fine, I'll respond, though I expect more than broken English in return: the defensive gameplan known 'round these parts as the "soft zone" hasn't been deployed extensively since the Florida game. Ohio State played plenty of man coverage against LSU, USC and Texas, and got burned doing so a number of times in fact. Off the top of my head: 

- Stanley Havili's touchdown catch against Marcus Freeman, in which Freeman was charged with covering the converted halfback and couldn't do it.

- Anderson Russell's flop against Texas came against a completely man-to-man scheme

- Stafon Johnson's long reception on 4th and forever against USC in '09 came with a LB (Spitler?) covering him man-to-man 

What you saw yesterday in the 'Shoe was little more than a standard prevent defense; the Canes needed to score 3+ times to tie it up, and Heacock, knowing they couldn't do it and likely believing he could continue to bring pressure with four, rolled the dice. The Canes ended up scoring a whopping seven points against Ohio State's prevent defense and everyone (except you, the Canes and scant few others) went home happy. 

LSU and USC were not lost because of this mythical "soft zone", but because Ohio State turned the ball over numerous times, giving the opponent a short field or touchdowns directly off turnovers (Maualuga's pick six, for example).

Through two games this season, the Ohio State defense has surrendered exactly zero touchdowns in its base defense. They have finished in the top-15 of total D each of the last five years. I think Heacock has an idea of what he's doing.

btalbert25's picture

Thank you for this comment.  I'm so tired of all the negativity surrounding this program.  Last year was a prime example.  After losing to Purdue everyone was ready to just write the season off.  Then we win a tough Big 10 yet people doubt we have a chance against Oregon.  Beat Oregon and that coveted "big game" and people still are bitching about the team, and saying we didn't really look that great.  That brings us to this year and the Miami game.  We beat a really good team yesterday, one that would be considered a big game, and still we have people not happy.  If this program wants the respect of the national media and so called experts, don't we have to get it from our own fan base first.  I have a feeling that we could win the BCS title and someone would still be on here complaining about Tressel or Heacock or Pryor.  Enjoy this team.  Yesterday, in my opinion was the best team we'll see until the Iowa game.

Matthew's picture

Canes Pundit.com: where you at, dawg?

Class of 2010

Tim's picture

Being at the game, kickoff and punt coverage was so hard to watch, and to make it worse, I had a guy in front of me screaming about how awful Tressel is every time we punted.  Other than that, and a couple overthrown lasers from Pryor on short passes, I liked what I saw from the offense and defense.

 

Question- I had 37-24 OSU in the prognosticating, and flipsaari2 had 35-24.  Do we both win?  There's no Price is Right thing where you can't go over, right?

Ill_Buckeye's picture

how about defense giving up an average of 5 p/g and offense scoring an average of 40.5 through the first two games

 

love it

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

Give the O a few more games to click and they'll be scary.

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buckeyedude's picture

Terrelle played a hellava game. IMO, without him, I'm not sure we win this game. He picked up a few first downs, strictly on his athletic ability alone, and kept the clock rolling.

Defense played well. Good call on Tressel's part to start calling for pooch kicks, after two plays, two touchdowns(kick return and punt return).  Heyward would have had 6 points, had he not turned inside after the interception.(keep running straight downfield! He had three blockers! He cut back to the middle, and was tackled. Oh well. He is defense oriented.) 

How can we have such a good defense, but yet, have such horrible special teams? I just don't get it. Numerous missed tackles on the kick return. I feel bad for the kicker, for Pete's sake! He's the ONLY one that has a freakin' chance. Pretty sad. If not for the special teams, I don't see anybody in the nation that could stand with us, toe to toe, this year.

But, it's still a convinciing win, and would have been a blowout, minus those two returns.

 

 

Chris Lauderback's picture

Red zone offense needs some work. Its like we don't have a plan especially
when we get inside the 10.

cyt_buck's picture

Our plan should be just let Pryor run three straight times. He has proved time and time again that he can get yards and first downs against anybody, if he has more than just one chance. Third and long won't always work out, but third and 3 or 4...easy.

buckeyedude's picture

Disagree completely. Would you like to see Pryor end up like McGahee? Watch what happens to that QB from TTUN, when they start playing BigTen teams.

 

 

yrro's picture

I don't know we should run him every play, buy I do want to know why Tress didn't once break out that dave fake rollout play in the red zone. You know, the one Pryor used to get the majority of the first downs on that last soul crushing drive.

I think out problem in the red zone came from them stopping our power game. We are still at heart a power run team, and miami was selling out to stop the run and doing an amazing job of it all game. The counter to that in our offense is the intermediate to deep play action pass, which Pryor did fairly well on when we had a long field. But we currently lack an effective alternative to our power game once we get close enough that we can't stretch things vertically any more. Personally I wonder why we don't run a few more screens.

gravey's picture

Where's the tight end?...another typical red zone option left on the table for us...

KCAlum's picture

Maybe it is time to go back to the Robust-T

osukdawg76's picture

Pretty solid performance all around.  I am really liking the way the defense is playing.  They're a bunch of ballhawks.  They want to kill whatever is holding the ball.

 

This game could have easily been a four touchdown blowout, had it not been for the aforementioned terrible kick coverage.  I'm sure Tressel will be spending some extra time over the next couple of weeks working on it, since we have Ohio and Directional Michigan #3 coming to the Shoe in the next two weeks.

 

All in all, I'm proud of the boys.  I'm even more excited for the rest of the season than I was two weeks ago.  They have the makings of a special group.

I, for one, welcome our new coaching overlords.

 

 

Poe McKnoe's picture

it should have been 60-3

Olentangy's picture

OHIO SPEED

How firm thy friendship

tampa buckeye's picture

Great win.  I think we should keep the 330 start times for big games

buckeyedude's picture

I like the 3:30 start times too. It gave me plenty of time to get my Cincinnati Style Chili ready and take the pooch for a long walk before the game(with my home OSU jersey on, to the pleasure of many passers by, tooting their horns, and the middle finger from the scUM fans, here in Toledo).  I would think the players would like it better than 12:30 or 8pm starts.

 

 

Dethsyth47's picture

I don't know if Miami saw Evil Tressel today but I'm pretty sure the Special Teams players are going to get a healthy dose in practice all week this week. Very Un-Tressel like Special Teams play today.

tampa buckeye's picture

the problem is we can't get the ball kicked to the goal line.  pooch kicks worked well.  the safeties were very good today.  any word on CJ?

flipbuckeye's picture

Postgame interviews, Tressel said the word was twisted knee or something which usually takes a couple weeks.

I've been a fan of Barnett since we recruited him, hope to see a lot from him this year.

tomcollins's picture

Barnett was awesome out there, always laying a big hit.  Hope he's OK.

Eric Sammie Byrne's picture

Guys take off the rose colored glasses, the defense was not Dominate. It was lucky!!!!!

Miami put up 352 yards of offense and gave us the ball 3 times.  A dominate D would only

Then D-Line, which is supposed to be the 'best ever' under Heacock only sacked Harris 2 times against an eleven warriors described 'average o-line'  If their o-line is so average and our D-line is so great, why didn't we get more pressure?

The pass rush and corners will have to get better for this team to have a chance later in the year against better competition.  Right now the Wisconsin and Iowa games concern me.  They both have good O-Lines, and if you give Tolzien and Stanzie time they could pick apart the secondary.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

btalbert25's picture

Don't both of those QB's throw the ball to the other team a lot too though?  I was under the impression that Jacory Harris was the best QB we were going to see.  I though the D looked good too.  A lot of those yards were gained when the D fell back into the soft zone.  They weren't blitzing a lot either.  If they would've pressed the issue more they may have had 7 or 8 turnovers in my opinion.

Eric Sammie Byrne's picture

7 or 8 turnovers based on what?
Miami's recievers continuing to do a trip drill during the game?
Harris throwing the ball to a spot on the field (even tough the receiver is not breaking to that spot) and a DB being in that spot (and not adjusting to where the receiever was actually breaking too).

Againts better competition, the pass D will struggle and Heacock will sit in the soft zone hoping the opposing team will make mistakes.  That's not a dominate D, that's a D hoping you make a mistakte.  A dominate D forces the other team to make mistakes, either by pass rush or tight man-2-man d.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

Roger's picture

I dont know what to tell you other than "the result speak for itself". It's very apparent that you either don't know anything about college football Xs and Os , or you're a bitter Miami fan.

Go find another top 5 defense to troll about.

Go Bucks!

MFA Buckeye's picture

First of all, the word is dominant. To dominate is a verb, and a word that describes a noun like defense is an adjective, which would be dominant.

Secondly, we weren't simply waiting for Harris to make those mistakes. While I agree that the D-Line probably should have gotten more pressure on Harris and done it more consistently during this game, most of Harris' turnovers were because there was a Buckeye breathing down his neck in the pocket. I'm not really sure what game you watched, but Harris made plays when he had plenty of time in the pocket, and made mistakes when we our D-Line finally got some pressure.

Heacock's defense gave up just 10 points yesterday. Against a talented Miami team, that is dominaNt defense. 

Stop blaming the defense for the special teams touchdowns, and you'll see the defense did play well.

Eric Sammie Byrne's picture

Just got done re-watching Harris's first 3 picks(don't have time to look for Cam's).  There was no pressure on any of them. 

Simon sacked Harris once, and rushed him another time into an incompletion.

But other than that Harris had time to step into the pocket and deliver the ball.

Defense did not dominate, and is not dominant.  There, that better.

Try watching the game, not just the football.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

E-roc's picture

Dominate or dominant? One is a verb, the other is an adjective.

Yesterday's performance was squelched by the fact that the KO/PR coverage teams decided to stay in the tunnel and not show up for the game. If the defense was sitting on a 3-TD lead (instead of a 3, 7 or 10 point lead), the defense would've looked very different.

The Vest and his motley crew (or Rascals) continued to show that in big games it prefers to be uber-conservative. The play-calling was of the high-school variety. Any of us could call man or zone coverage schemes for this ridiculously talented defense. 

I don't think the players or coaches sit back and HOPE the opponent makes a mistake. If that were the case, why would you ever practice or bother putting players on the field? "Hey guys, let's just stand here and HOPE the ball graciously falls in our hands. Hell, maybe we can HOPE that they tackle themselves too!".

Give the D credit for stepping up when it counted against the offense for the #12 ranked team in the nation; or did you already forget that the team in white and green wasn't Marshall or OU? They were dominant from the perspective that regardless of how many yards The whU collected, that none of it mattered as they only managed to score 10 points. 

Eric Sammie Byrne's picture

The corner backs did not step up (except for Barret).  They sat back and waited for the other team to either make mistakes or catch the ball and then tackel them.  Could be wrong but i don't remeber any passes defended/deflected during the game.

That's not going to cut it against elite competition, which Miami is not elite.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

buckeyedude's picture

So now Miami is comparable to Eastern Michigan? LOL.

 

 

JohnBoy's picture

I'm with you,

Our defense is average. Our D-line may really not be deep or explosive enough to apply consistent pressure against better teams. Good yes...dominate no. Living in SEC country, seeing LSU, and Alabama up close, the athletes on the defensive line are night and day to what we have. (Heyward being the exception) There are very few white boys playing in those positions down South. That's not a racist statement, African-Americans are superior athletes with greater amounts of fast twitch muscle fibers. It allows the huge guys to be so quick and explosive, like Heyward. It's what won us the last NC.  We need 6 more of him.  Miami had some success running the ball and Jacory made some unforced mistakes that gave us the opportunity to add points. Our secondary will have trouble playing man down the stretch I think putting even more pressure on the line, hopefully they will improve. They do hit hard though, delivered some great licks after the catch. We are not as good as 99% of Buckeye Nation thinks. Without Harris'  unforced mistakes this could have been a nail biter or a loss.

Greg McElroy won't make those mistakes.

Very sad for CJ...I assume that was a season ender?

Special teams is a coaching problem, plain and simple. Unbelievable.

#1 problem with this team and staff - RED ZONE OFFENSE! We will not get to or win the NC if we don't stop kicking fucking field goals! The time management, playcalling, and execution when it is time to strike in the red-zone is bad. Very bad. It's almost like they want to slow it down or something. We have to put more points up. We are some long drive stallin' mofo's.

I loved Pryor's touch on some of the passes and his broken play runs. That pass to Saine was sick.

Offensive line wins my performance of the day award. They looked great in pass protection. Pryor had lots of time and you could see he felt comfortable back there.

Thank you sir! May I have another?

tampa buckeye's picture

Our d is average? what are you smokin?  we held a very good offense to 10 pts, and the comment about afro-americans having more fast twitch muscles reminds me of Jimmy the Greek.  As a white guy that could 360 dunk I find that isn't the case.  Fast twitch muscles are developed your not born running a 4.3 out of the womb, it has to be earned.

RBuck's picture

I don't think that "an average defense" only gives up one TD in two games.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Eric Sammie Byrne's picture

When you play inferrior opponents you should not give up alot of points.

When the other teams makes 3 unforced turnovers, the stats will be skewed also.

The D will be among the top for points scored against simply because 80% of the teams they play against will be vastly inferrior, will fall behind and become one dimensional thus making it easier to play the pass.

 

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

MFA Buckeye's picture

"African-Americans are superior athletes with greater amounts of fast twitch muscle fibers."

 

You're dumb.

JohnBoy's picture

Scientific fact....google it.

Thank you sir! May I have another?

MFA Buckeye's picture

Scientific method....learn it.

Buckeye in Athens's picture

Is your avatar picture really what it looks like? Why? 

btalbert25's picture

I still want to know where this better competition is going to come from?  Who in the big 10 has more talented receivers or a better passer than Jacory?

Eric Sammie Byrne's picture

I'm pretty sure Wisconsin and Iowa have better o-lines, better quarterbacks and as good of receivers.

Not to mention who we'll play in the BCS game....

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

Eric Sammie Byrne's picture

I'm sorry, but i highly doubt we'll see 24 pick Harris in a BCS game.

 

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

JohnBoy's picture

I would have to agree with Dodd on this one. The Bucks have a long way to go.

Thank you sir! May I have another?

Bucksfan's picture

Same here.  Hell of a win, but the red zone woes are absolutely apalling.  When you have the chance to score over 50 points, but can't execute, it's a problem.

Now, I think the Miami defensive backs and D-line deserve some much-needed credit where they aren't getting it.  Our O-line did its job in pass protection, Pryor had all day to throw.  But the receivers were blanketed by man coverage the whole time, and could not break free from a very very talented secondary, and they made very good breaks on the ball to slow down the Ohio State rush.

It was supposed to be a tough day in finding the endzone against Maimi's defense.  And it sort of was.  To be the best, though, they need to find an answer if they're going to outlast an Oklahoma or Alabama in a hypothetical championship game.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Wow. That is all I can say to these comments. I believe the strategy was to keep everything in front of them and they did that. From where I was sitting the U recievers were running some seriously good routes and were TALL. But our D did a decent job of keeping them in front of them. If their recievers could catch while getting the unholy sh*t knocked out of them i would imagine the pressure would have been dialed up. While not convinced we are there yet I still think we showed really good signs of being close.

I was ticked that it was taking so long to get plays (defense) in to the players. They were still trying to get into position and looking at the sidelines when Miami was snapping the ball.

osukdawg76's picture

I've learned a lot from reading blogs and the comments that follow these past several years.  Our fellow Buckeye faithful like to be pessimists, no matter the situation.  Hell, during the 97.1 call-in after Marshall, I don't think I heard one positive comment....and they WON by 38 points.

 

I take it with a grain of salt.  People will find anything to bitch about.

 

Guys, bottom line:  We beat a very good Miami team yesterday.  Yes, there are some things to work on, but this is a team with all the makings of a special squad.

I, for one, welcome our new coaching overlords.

 

 

741's picture

Great win. The only thing this team lacks is a kick off specialist. I don't think "coverage" is the problem - it's just unpredictable, piss poor kick offs. I recognize we've been spoiled for years in this area with KR's putting the ball in the endzone (or out of the back of it) with consistency, but this is ridiculous.

There should be an open competition for walk-ons immediately if this is the best we've got with the scholarship kickers.

(Clearly we have no problems with FG kicking. It's just kicking off.)

Powers's picture

WE WON THE GAME PEOPLE.... i feel a lot better now then i did this time last year after the USC game

Eric Sammie Byrne's picture

I'm sorry, the goal shoudn't be to win a game. It should be to win the national championship.

In 2002 i had confidence that the D could step up and get a stop when it needed to.

Bottom line, if this is the best d-line Heacock has ever coached then he's not developing players as he should.

I don't have that confidence in the pass defense of this team (Run defense is solid).  Not because of a lack of talent, but because of the scheme implemented (specifically the soft zone heacock lives to sit in).  Man i wish Dantino would get canned from MSU so he could come back and replace Heacock.

 

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

Matthew's picture

Man, if only the National Championship could be won in week 2. Oh well.

Class of 2010

Eric Sammie Byrne's picture

Man, if only we could play Miami, or Vtech or even a MAC school in the national championship game....

Oh that's right, the non-elite teams get weeded out during the regular season so only the best of the best play for the crystal.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

PALM BEACH BUCKEYE's picture

Ok.. does anyone understand what Heacock and Fickell were trying to accomplish with that soft zone??

1.  It keeps the speed receivers IN FRONT of the Defense...  we all saw how fast they were on Kick returns.

2. It made Jacory Harris have to recoginze more coverage than just 1 on 1 and man coverage....  4 int's anyone??

3.  It put more players around the short route receivers to bat down or deflect passes...  again 4int's anyone??

4.  It made Miami take longer to score so they ate more clock....

C'mon guys...when is anyone gonna be happy.  We won, they lost and who cares.....  sure the special teams needs alot of work, but this is a great team. 

Bucksfan's picture

The soft zone prevent defense makes one very large assumption: that the other team is going to shoot itself in the foot.  If you have an elite team, like Florida, LSU, or USC, you can find yourself down by 30 points at halfitme because they're able to swiss cheese the secondary.

I hate the argument that such a defense milks the clock and that such a characteristic is why it is INTENTIONALLY employed, because it only becomes true when the offense makes mistakes.  If you have good receivers and a good QB, you can also score a TD in under a minute like that pass to Havili in the Coliseum two years ago.

Basically, we've seen that type of defense crumble on a major stage against truly good teams enough times to treat it with mistrust. 

Eric Sammie Byrne's picture

1. Are you saying their team speed is better than ours, cause i call bullsh!t on that.  Way to make the argument against the big ten.

2. Please re-watch the game and WATCH THE PASS PROTETCION.  OSU had virtually no pass rush when the game was on the line and Cam made an outstanding play on the one pick.  The other 3 were mistakes by the wide receivers.

3. And how many pass deflections did they have.  In the first half 1, which Chimde actually deflected to the Miami WR who caught it but was OB.  Haven't watched the last 25 minutes of the game but i don't remember any pass deflections.....

4. I the D was supposed to prevent them from scoring....

 

Against elite competition, Heacock's soft zone D will get torn apart.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

PALM BEACH BUCKEYE's picture

Agreed... but this was not an Elite opponent... just one with fast receivers.  It was a gamble... and it worked.  Look, I have cursed Heacock myself on Numerous occasions (Illinois, LSU, Florida, Texas(twice)...)  but for this opponent it worked because the gambled on the bad decisions by a mistake prone QB.  Take this win for what it is and only 10 pts given up by the D and move on. 

btalbert25's picture

See, 2 of the Texas games it would've worked just fine though.  It was poor execution that lost those games.  A TE dropping a TD pass and a safety dropping an interception lost both those games.  LSU was just better, and Florida well I blame IN and OUT, overconfidence, and post season banquet dinners for a lot of that.

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

It was great meeting everyone yesterday and making my trip up there a blast...I made it an easy convert for my girlfriend...ps... cornhole tourny next time? :p lol

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

btalbert25's picture

In my opinion, this team we beat pretty badly yesterday was much better than the USC squad that Ohio State got beat by last year.  The D-Line, is going to be fine, and I thought the secondary looked pretty good myself.  As for saying there interceptions were a result of the other team making mistakes, well I say no shit.  Aren't  they always?  Maybe they were bobbles, maybe they were off mistakes, but the guys were getting their shit rocked as soon as the ball got to them.

Miami is good.  Are they top 5 good, well no.  Can you honestly say that Tolzien is a better QB than Jacory?   Stanzi may be a good passer, but makes a ton of mistakes and there is no way Iowa or Wisconsin have better receivers than Miami.  Not to mention Miami has a great running game and it mostly didn't do anything.

Be happy folks, it was a really good non conference game that was just won and easily.  In fact, I would argue that the first "great" team Ohio State will play is going to be Iowa.  Wisconsin just doesn't look like a team that's going to get in the way.  I honestly don't think there is another team on the schedule who has the athletes and speed that Miami does.  That's not a knock on the Big 10, it's saying Miami has a lot of great atheletes with a lot of speed.  From watching the first couple of weeks, I'd say they are likely the best team in the ACC.

btalbert25's picture

Is there room for the Buckeyes to improve?  Yeah, but it's the 2nd game of the year and they just knocked off the number 11 team in America.  Some fans kill me.  They want a big game win but say well we didnt play that great against  Oregon.  So, then we beat a very good non conference foe, and it was only because the other team made mistakes.    Tressel teams typically improve greatly as the year goes on. Barring injury that will happen again this year.  This team is loaded and I for one can't wait to see them as they gel and go forward. 

Buckeye_Mafia's picture

Now all I am heading is that both Oregon and Miami wee obviously overrated. I agree with most that we will not beat Alabama if we face them in the title game, but to say that tOSU is not good and that those teams are overrated is absolutely rediculous. We have atleast ten more games to get better, and Tressel teams generally do.

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