As we begin the countdown to September 2, it's never too early to take an early look at the competition the Buckeyes will be facing in the Big Ten this upcoming year. As we march towards the summer months, better known as the "dead period" in college athletics, we'll start to break down the best of the Big Ten, unit by unit, so that you have ample time to learn the players who stand in the way of the Buckeyes this year as they make their run to a 2010 National Championship.
What better place to start than the quarterback position, where legends are made with success and public humiliation is often accompanied with failure. It is a position that is extremely important at Ohio State, as Jim Tressel once told a young recruit
"the two most important people in Ohio are the governor and the quarterback for Ohio State". With masterful quarterback play, teams can dominate on the offensive side of the ball, a la OSU in 2006 before the MNC game. Coaches are more willing to open up their playbooks with a good signal caller and the rest of the players on the unit feed off their quarterback's confidence when things are going right. On defense, stop an opposing quarterback and the chance of winning the game is better, but let him pick you apart using all his weapons (see: Oregon), and victory is a mere glimmer of hope.
The quarterback position can make or break the fate of many of the teams in the Big Ten this upcoming season, so why not start ranking the units from 11 to 1:
11. Indiana
Ben Chappell returns for the Hoosiers, who went 4-8 last year, leaving Bill Lynch on the hot seat in Bloomington for 2010. Lynch's senior signal caller enters this year coming off a 2009 season in which he showed decent growth, throwing for 2,941 yards and 17 touchdowns, but displayed faulty decision making with 15 interceptions. If Chappell were on another team he might have better results in his senior year, but with the Hoosiers' supporting cast, and the loss of his best lineman in Rodger Saffold, I think it will be another up and down season for Chappell and the Crimson and Cream faithful.
10. Northwestern
Dan Persa follows Mike Kafka as the man behind center in the Wildcats' spread attack and received limited playing time last season. In mop-up time in nine games, Persa threw for 221 yards on 20-34 passing with two touchdowns and two picks. He showed that Northwestern ability to scoot it from the shotgun, rushing for 167 yards, and his ability to run and pass should continue to give Pat Fitzgerald's team the same look they've had the past two seasons. Persa and NU could be a surprise this fall, but the unknown leaves them at the bottom of the rankings for now.
9. Illinois
The Eddie McGee era was supposed to begin this season upon Juice Williams' departure, but he's been converted to wide receiver, leaving competition for the starting to be left to Jacob Charest, Nathan Scheelhasse, and freshman Chandler Whittmer. Whittmer is
apparently trailing the two "veterans", with the belief that
Charest Scheelhaase is the frontrunner to win the job. Scheelhaase has yet to take a collegiate snap, but the red-shirt frosh shows great promise, as he was recruited by Iowa, Missouri, and Oklahoma coming out of high school in 2009. A tremendous spring performance helped him get a leg up on Charest heading into the summer. The 6-4/220 Charest threw for 382 yards and two touchdowns against two interceptions on 28-56 passing last season, but showed solid poise behind center and the Illini offense actually looked functional with him at the helm. He is looking the second string job right now, but provides a very solid back-up option for the Illini. Either player will give a more formidable passing attack to the Orange Crush this upcoming year, and don't be surprised to see McGee pop back in behind center to add an electrifying wildcat element to the Zooker's offense.
8. Penn State
This is an interesting situation as the Nittany Lion quarterback position has been known going into a season for at least the last 5-6 years. This year is unique, as it will be a
three-man race to see who gets to run Jay-Pa's Spread HD attack this year. Former Buckeye target, Kevin Newsome, should be the man to get the snaps come opening week, but Matt McGloin and early enrollee Paul Jones are making him sweat it out. No matter who the victor is, they will face a tough test in week two against the defending national champs and the battle for consistency at the position will likely carry on throughout the majority of this season. The future is not now for Penn State at quarterback and the team is likely to rely on Evan Royster to carry them to a respectable 2010 campaign.
7. Michigan
Yes, for the first time since Chad Henne graced our presence, Michigan has the edge on somebody at the quarterback position. Tate Forcier had Michigan fans clamoring for the freshman to get Heisman consideration after a 4-0 start, but fast forward to spring ball 2010 and the Maize and Blue faithful now want to see Shoelaces aka Denard Robinson run Rich Rod's offense. Add Devin Gardner's early arrival to Ann Arbor and Michigan also has a three man competition. I personally think Forcier deserves the starting job as he showed glimpses of greatness last year, while also suffering the bumps and bruises that a freshman should in the Big Ten. I think many times he showed a great understanding of the offensive system that is needed for success, something that cannot be said about his competition. Robinson is extremely fast, but might be better suited for wide out/wildcat quarterback, and Gardner should red-shirt this season to learn. With a mediocre offensive line and talent that is either very young or average at best at the other skill positions, it should be another rocky ride for the Wolverine lead men.
6. Purdue
Joey Elliott is gone, but Danny Hope receives a gift in the form of University of Miami transfer Robert Marve. I always thought Marve had a bright future for "The U" before he transferred, but nonetheless he walks right into a great opportunity to start this year, while having a full year last season to learn the offense while he sat out in accordance to NCAA rules. Marve has lived up to expectations this spring, but back-up Caleb TerBrush is pushing him hard. TerBrush starred in the
Boiermankers' Boilermakers' spring game, throwing two touchdowns to go along with 147 yards on 13-18 passing, while Marve wasn't too shabby going 11-22-160-1-1. Marve will have the job locked up come the fall, but TerBrush gives Hope a good option should anything happen to his starter.
5. Michigan State
Kirk Cousins and Keith Nichol are back, giving Mark Dantonio two very solid options to lead Sparty's attack this season. At this point, it seems Cousins is the clear cut starter, but we could see Nichol some at wide receiver like we did at the end of 2009. Cousins went 10-15 for 254 yards and a touchdown in the MSU spring game, looking sharp and taking command of the offense, while Nichol played primarily at receiver, catching 3 passes for 43 yards. Andrew Maxwell saw reps as Cousins' back-up and was 18-34 for 244 yards and a touchdown, but it would interesting to see if he or Nichol would get the nod should Cousins go down. Regardless, this is Sparty's best year at the position since Drew Stanton left and with Edwin Baker, Larry Caper, and a solid receiving corps, this offense should be much improved from last season.
4. Wisconsin
Anyone who watched the Ohio State-Wisconsin game last season knows Scott Tolzien can play. While he did throw two interceptions in that October 10th match-up in the show, I for one came away very impressed with his throwing mechanics and ability to run the play action very effectively. I think Tolzien can build on his 2009 season where he threw for 2,705 yards and 16 touchdowns (against 11 interceptions), and lead the Badgers to an 11-2 mark. With a solid offensive line, a speedy group of receivers, and Big Ten offensive player of the year John Clay all returning, expect big things out of Scott Tolzien and tickle me a little (just a little) frightened for the night game in Madison this year.
3. Minnesota
While Minnesota will likely not see a BCS Bowl anytime soon, but it hasn't stopped them from gathering a solid group of quarterbacks to run their offense. Adam Weber, a three year starter, is the man once again, but had a disappointing spring game in which he completed just 8 of 20 passes. The question is should Minnesota fans start to call for someone else to start after Weber's 2009 season in which he threw more interceptions (15) than touchdowns (13)? I personally think Weber is a very solid player who is trapped in an unfortunate situation, but if the program is to make any progress, he needs to step up in 2010. The players waiting in the wings are MarQueis Gray and Moses Alipate. Gray saw action last year, but was used more frequently for his speed on the ground than for his arm through the air. He completed a 38-yard touchdown pass for the spring game's only offensive touchdown, but it is yet to be seen whether he can overtake Weber for the reps with the first string. I think Alipate will be the best out of the three before it's all said and done, but his lack of experience due to youth will be a main reason you probably won't see much of him this season. He threw just four passes in the spring game, completing two for 14 yards, if that says anything about where he stands in Tim Brewster's mind. The three of these players give Minnesota a talented group of quarterbacks who bring a combination of experience, athleticism, and promise to a Gopher team looking to rise their heads above mediocrity.

2. Ohio State
I know, I know, you're all ready to pour down on me for putting the Buckeyes second on this list, but I'm trying to be realistic here. I love Terrelle Pryor just as much as any of you and I think the Rose Bowl TP you saw in January will show up more often than not this fall, but until he proves he is a master of Jim Tressel's offense, I cannot subject myself to falling for an inconsistency act. I think Pryor is coming along nicely, albeit slower than we all expected when he signed his NLOI a few years ago, but now is TP's time to shine. He is getting some more freedom to make calls at the line and it seems he has learned how to use all of the field this spring, spreading the ball around to the likes of Jake Stoneburner at tight end and Zach Boren at fullback. The Vest is noticeably opening things up a little and these are all good signs for big things to come, but remember this is a pre-season ranking and we cannot ignore the back half of the season in which Tress clearly didn't trust Pryor to do much of anything with the ball in the air when it counted until the Rose Bowl. I'm hoping that Rose Bowl game was indeed the turn around and I regret ever putting OSU second on this list, but for now TP and the Bucks need to continue the progress.
1. Iowa
America's newest patriot, Ricky Stanzi, returns to Iowa City this year after leading the Hawkeyes to a BCS victory in the Orange Bowl over Georgia Tech. Stanzi was masterful in that game, throwing for 241 yards and two scores, en route to a more convincing than the score shows win over the Yellow Jackets. He now comes back for his senior season with a healthy leg and on a mission to bring Kirk Ferentz his first national championshop. Stanzi gives Iowa the nod over OSU on this list due to his strong arm, good awareness, pocket presence, and more importantly, his knack for being able to get the job done when it's all said and done. The latter is what Buckeye fans hope Pryor is able to do this year and is what separates the two, just slightly on the list. Speaking of Buckeyes, James Vandenberg did an admirable job in the pseudo Big Ten Championship game at Ohio Stadium last year, going 20-33-233-2-3 in the overtime loss, and provides Iowa with a more than capable back-up should anything happen to Stanzi again. With an offensive line that can block a stable of bulls, an effective running game, a collection of slick receivers, and a defense that continues to keep getting them the ball, the duo of Stanzi and
Jonathan Moxon Vandenberg are in fabulous shape heading into 2010.
Comments
for the poll, the addition option of "none of the above" would be nice
also, Stanzi loses 3/5ths of his offensive line, including a first rounder at LT and the RT, it might be a little less comfortable for him in the pocket this year
Normally I would say that Stanzi's innate ability, as BHGP put it so well, to simultaneously keep his team both in and out of the game means that he concerns me less than Tolzien or gunslingers like Weber or Cousins, but if you think about it all of those guys have weird quirks/coaches that seem to cause the same phenomenon Stanzi does.
I personally think that the current Wisconsin team under the direction of our coaching staff could compete for a BCS spot. Unfortunately they don't have our staff. They've got Bielema.
I think TP should be an option. Be honest, his play scares the shit out of all of us more than any other QB.
I understand that, but the strength of Iowa lies in the trenches again in 2010 and the o-line is not rebuilding, it's reloading...a line of Reiff, Zusevics, Haganman, Tobin, MacMillan/Van Sloten isn't too shabby and if you're not familiar with their names, you may be by season's end.......I do think come the end of the year TP will be the clear cut #1 on this list, but we can't let one single Rose Bowl performance (no matter how awesome it was) dictate the view on an entire season last year
This may be the homer in me talking, but I like Michigan's quarterback situation a lot better than Purdue's.
1) Tate Forcier, in his lone season of NCAA ball (as a true freshman), scored a better passer efficiency rating of 128 than Robert Marve did (as a redshirt freshman, with more experience) with 107. Marve is also actually newer to Purdue's system than Forcier to Michigan's, meaning there could be growth there.
2) Michigan's and Purdue's respective backups last year (Denard Robinson and Caleb Terbush) both got limited time, but Robinson had the edge in that metric (31 passes and 69 rushes to Terbush's 10 passes and 2 rushes). Robinson also had better passing efficiency(!) at 91 than TerBush's 58. Again, TerBush's production came as a redshirt freshman, which means he had much more time in Purdue's system than true freshman Denard Robinson (who hadn't been in for spring, either).
3) Behind the top two guys (well, maybe not behind them for long), Michigan is bringing in an all-world recruit in Devin Gardner, with perhaps the greatest upside of any between the two schools. Purdue's third option is...?
It remains to be seen what happens on the field, of course, but I like Michigan's situation overall better than Purdue's. Also, Penn State's is awful and I have a hard time seeing them anywhere outside of the last spot or two.
I'd agree with putting Michigan's QBs over Purdue's, but I haven't seen Marve play. And while Forcier does have talent, I can't see him becoming a dominant force until the Michigan offensive line proves that they can protect him. I've heard he's put on a few pounds in the off season, although I'm not sure its going to be enough size, given his past concussions and tendency to get slammed. Gardner is the future at Michigan, but we have recent experience with all-world QBs who are very raw freshman and it sometimes isn't pretty. A redshirt would go a long way towards improving Gardner's future prospects and revitalizing Michigan.
Fun read, Alex. Due to supporting cast, I might have put Tolzien in any of the top three spots. For the same reason, I can't see any of the Gopher QBs performing higher than fourth.
stanzi isnt even top 3
Correct me if Im wrong here, but I think I detected a strong sense of sarcasm in Josh_Alum's comment on TP...and I couldnt agree more...Last season I was more afraid of Pryor hurting the Buckeyes than any other player on the field on either team! lol
calista forcier for heisman
they'll have to change the stiff arm to a limp wrist.
hey-oooooooo
ESPN Big Ten blogger Adam Rittenberg disagrees on the QB front-runner at Illinois. "Illinois didn't announce its starting quarterback this spring, but anyone who watched practice or talked with the coaches knew that redshirt freshman Nathan Scheelhaase took the lead. "
Lets be honest, Iowa is first on this list b/c Vandenberg's mom is a MILF.
zing!
Yea this is obviously very subject but I think I'd move these a bit. Ben Chappell is actually pretty good when he has time. I'd easily put Indy above the unproven prospects of Illinois and NW.
Stanzi is great in the clutch...but he was also the reason that he had to be great in the clutch multiple times.
Minnesota's kids aren't that good. I think without Decker this year we'll really see it.
And I agree with Tim having Mich over Purdue.
I agree with what you're saying slippy. I think Chappell will be pretty good this year and I would almost always take a returning QB over someone completely unproven. By the spring game results too, I read the Illinois had a major INT problem, while Chappell played pretty well.
Stanzi will be better this year. He has been focusing on limitting his intereceptions. If he gets that part of his game cleaned up, then he is definitely one of the best QBs in the conference.
you got me
RE: Ben Chapell - Did you remember to subtract 1 INT for the scUM game on that tuuuurrbblllle call? And what about that pinball machine one against Iowa? OK, that ones till counts though....
uh....no
I 2nd the "uh....no"
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I'm disappointed we failed to get a comment from Denny Mayo on this, the holiest day of his calendar: Cinco de DennyMayo.
You're right I think Scheelhaase does have the leg up now...
Great idea for an article and a good read. I'm an MSU fan so I have to stick up for the Spartans QB's, especially Kirk Cousins and say he should be higher on the list.
Of the returning QB's he is second in passer rating (basically tied with Toelzen), has the best TD/INT ratio, is tied for first in YPA and 3rd in completion percentage. All of this was in his first year as a starter, so I think there's a good chance he make a solid to big improvement. He also returns all his RB's, TE's and WR's besides Blair White on a team that scored the second most points per game last year in the Big Ten.
you forgot to mention one point: as a spartan QB he is an expert at snatching defeat from the jaws of vistory. see notre dame game 2009.
I don't know why people every question the Iowa offensive line. They seem to always churn out beast lineman out there. I only question Stanzi's ability to not throw it to the other team. As for Pryor, his play was pretty good when he had an offensive line blocking for him. He looked great in games like Penn State and Oregon. Purdue was horrible, but the dude was running for his life that game.
I'm surprised by the Bielma bashing. Wisconsin had a great year last year followed up by a good bowl game. The really outplayed the Buckeyes last year, just had a QB that kept throwing TD's to the OSU defense.
I agree to a certain extent BUT Wisconsin is a team that has been on the brink almost every year and picked as a "dark horse" to win the b10 multiple times.
Chappel actually led the Big Ten in total offense and Passing average last season. No he isn't amazing but he isn't THAT bad.
im sorry but "Stanzi gives Iowa the nod over OSU on this list due to his strong arm, good decision making, pocket presence, and more importantly, his knack for being able to get the job done in the clutch." read again, good decision making? there is a reason the term stanziball was used to talk about his grace of letting the other team have a decent chance. hes clutch and i wouldnt ever want to be a fan of a team on the other side of him but definitely not the best.
I 3rd the "uh....no"
+1
you don't 2nd my 2nd? therefore making it 4 votes for "oh....no".
I love that picture of Pryor...
Having "doesn't know how to tie his shoes" starting for OSU would scare the poo out of me and I wouldn't even be fast enough to make it to the head like JoPa did.
OSU D may have had a say in picking off those passes.
Spartans=Cubs.
I have a write-in for scariest QB's. James Vanderbeek.
he still doesn't want your life.
Stanzi was great in the 1st Q of the Orange Bowl, but then GT's d-cor - who otherwise had a tough year and got fired - actually made some nice adjustments against Iowa. For one thing, he figured out that Stanzi does NOT have a strong arm. Stanzi throws a lot of touch, mini-rainbow balls, with which he is very accurate. He throws an excellent long ball, because he can loft those and drop them in, but he's not able to throw the NFL-caliber lazer beams, on deep crossing routes, etc. After the 1Q, GT figured that out, started spying/doubling the RBs dump offs and circle routes, kept two safeties back deep, and dared Stanzi to make an NFL throw. He couldn't do it. That will be the blueprint defenses use in 2010, now. For that reason, it wouldn't surprise me if we get to see more of the MILF.
Stanzi also has had to play without the benefit of a real threat at running back (they were on what, their fourth string?). He's got a great line, but that only helps so much when you pretty much have to shoulder the offense yourself. He looked really sharp in their bowl game, too.
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I think it remains to be seen if Forcier, if he even starts, can finish the season without sporting a prosthesis and a long scar where his spleen used to be. I don't think he could get through a season unhurt, in that offense, if he weighed 230. And it's not going to get better: the good teams know what RichRod is doing, and he still doesn't have a Big Ten-caliber O-line.
Perhaps UM will play Robinson only because he's a step faster and will therefore only get tackled, instead of crushed.
It would be really great if Michigan plays another freshman.
My point is simple: several defenses in the Big Ten play disciplined, position football -- and they're physical and athletic. Look at what OSU and Iowa did to the two best oo-oo-oo-wah creative genius offensive juggernauts in the country, in BCS bowls. Paul Johnson may have experienced his worst offensive performance in 30 years, and Oregon was undressed. RichRod is not in the Big East anymore.
Vandenberg has a stronger arm than Stanzi, no question.
Still, I think you are confusing GT's adjustments with Iowa's conservatism. In the Orange Bowl GT had something like 30 yards total offense at halftime, Stanzi hadn't played in three months, and there was no reason to, as you say, challenge them with "NFL throws". In fact, it would have been stupid. The coaches just let Angerer, Clayborn, and Spievey win the game.
Iowa's offense is very simple, as everyone knows. If you don't rotate the strong safety up, we run. If you do, we go over the top. If teams want to play their safeties soft, fine, we'll run for 200. Really, there are only a dozen or so plays. The quarterback's job is not to zing it but understand where the defense is cheating a guy and then go right at the hole he creates. That's one reason why they loved Drew Tate: he walked onto campus after watching film for 10 years with his dad, and needed no instruction. (A personality transplant would have helped ...)
Also, Iowa's best teams in the last decade sported relatively soft-armed QBs: Chandler, Banks, Tate, Stanzi. Banks and Tate got NFL tryouts and were gone after a day: they didn't have the velocity.
I think this blog overrates the Iowa line and Stanzi, though. The line is green and Iowa won't do as well this year as last if Stanzi throws another 15 INTs. Stanzi's body of work puts him in the middle of the pack: great winner and leader, strange lapses, too many mistakes. There were some once-in-a-lifetime recoveries in Iowa's win column last year. The line is going to be smaller than it's been in years. They'll be technically strong, but they are green and untested.
Your enthusiasm for Adam Weber, disregard for Chappell, and disinterest in Cousins baffles. Pryor could be all-world or a complete meltdown, in my view. I guess you're rating him highly on the basis of the Rose Bowl, and his innate physical skills. That was one game, not a career. I don't think he even knows how to throw a good ball yet. They've come this far with him, so I guess they stick with him.
But here's my question: would Pryor be starting, much less ranked #2 in your list, if he'd had an average or poor game against Oregon? He had a lot more average-to-poor games last year than he did great ones. He's shown that he is, on average, average-to-poor.
Vandenberg won't play absent another Stanzi injury, or an epic Stanzi collapse. (I don't think Stanzi is capable of falling apart; he's got almost the ideal makeup for a DI QB.)
Yes, ranking Chappell #11 is just weird.
Does Bielema coach well, and win, the close games?
In the course of a tough game, does Wisconsin adjust well and take over, or vice versa?
Seems to me that Wisconsin does very well against teams that they physically dominate, and is just ok against those that match up physically. Ergo, coaching deficit.
The Iowa O-line offers the following depth chart at this time, left to right:
Reiff, Vandervelde, Ferentz, Gettis, Zusevics.
They're smaller than in several years, and offer two guys (Reiff and Vandervelde) who have started games. They're a project, and note that the second string RG (Hundertmark) was a DT as recently as last November. Vandervelde is the only senior; Ferentz hasn't played a snap.
So I think your praise reflects the prior performance of graduated players, more than current, projection-able results. We just don't know what they can do, and whether or not their speed will compensate for their diminished size. (This last item is what intrigues me: the best zone-blocking lines of the past 15 years -- Denver's -- were among the smallest in the NFL.)
Anyway, you've got some Iowa love going, but I would direct more of it toward the defense. This defense could be epic.
It just blows my mind that RichRod runs a scheme where a 175 lb QB gets hit EVERY SINGLE PLAY. It's child abuse.
yeah, whatever you say about their qb play/ kick coverage is bad no matter what
3 non offensive TD's is really lucky for us. replay that game 100 times and wisky probably wins 75 of them
this is the only case where the term "child abuse" is funny.
Haha I lived in Charleston for a year, and things are a little different down there. I'm in Charlotte now and you will see more buckeye gear and license plates then you do UNC gear.
Probably because non of those low-country uneducated southerners can get a job with Ohioans taking over.
PS- I;d put the quarterback rankings as follows:
1.Denard Robinson
2. Forcier
3. Gardner
4. Threet
5. Sheridan
Ya its a joke people, but Alex has it about right
Tell me more about these "Boiermankers." I am intrigued.
Seriously, though, just wanted to point out that Marve indeed had a year to sit out and learn, but he blew his knee out last spring and so he spent a lot of that time rehabbing and not practicing, etc. Just worth a mention. Agree with your assessment, just think that could be noteworthy, too.
Nice job playing down the homeristic tendencies by making Stanzi number 1. But seriously, who you takin??
You make several good points, but to follow up:
The Orange Bowl ended up getting much dicier in 2nd half than it ever had to be. GT went on a 12 play drive in the 3Q, missed FG. Got the ball back with a short field and scored a TD to pull within 17-14. At that point, it looked like the GT option was starting to roll a bit. Inexplicably, though, PJ called for a 1st down pass play after getting the ball back deep in their own territory, INT. Still, Iowa fumbled it back. Big turning point: Dwyer running backwards, 11 yd loss at their own 1 yd line. Iowa played excellent defense, but their running game (against 2 safeties back) was only so-so. Of their 170 odd yds on the ground, about 55 of those were on the final drive. So, as you suggested, Iowa tried to take what GT gave them after the 1Q, but didn't take very much of it against a suspect GT defense.
For one thing, Iowa's talented OL underperformed at times last year (although it played lights out against Ohio State), but maybe part of the problem was that Stanzi-type arms don't allow Iowa to full advantage of what the defense is giving them. Just hypothetically, what if Stanzi had played the 1Q and Vandy had played the remainder? Blowout?
With their defense, Iowa is going to win a lot of games even with a QB who lacks an NFL arm, especially if they get their run game going again like in 2008. But the better defenses can play 2 safeties back and still stop the run on early downs. Then, if your QB can't make all the throws, your offense can put into tight boxes.
Not to be impolite, but remember all the different types of throws Troy Smith in IC in 2006?
We played OSU in 2006? What?
That's what we used to say about Tom Brady and I think that story turned out well. Stanzi is a Brady clone.
In the Iowa and CMU (I know) games where he engineered drives to take the lead late, but MSU's defense couldn't keep the other team from scoring. Cousins is a very good QB, certainly better than Adam Webber, and I'm very happy with where MSU is.
And that comment sounds like something Desmond Howard would say.
..but with less gums
I dont know about that. But he DOES know how to win games. So i could see a Tom Brady sub clone species in that aspect
Its terrible what they do to him. Im guessin he wishes he wasnt in the same conference that produces the most physical defenses in the NCAA