A taste of their own medicine.....It's definitely been a long weekend in sports and now it's finally Sunday and everyone can sit back, relax, watch some NFL football and take everything in while we wait for bowl games to take place in the next few weeks.
Things have certainly been interesting in the sports world over the last 10 days. Tiger Woods has taken a step away from golf to deal with family problems which have him tied to six, eight, ten, possibly thirteen mistresses and have shifted our view of one of golf's best ever to one similar of Justin Boren's view of the Michigan football program.
Brian Kelly has left Cincinnati to go to his "dream school" in South Bend after apparently lying to his players' faces. Kelly may be able to bring his magic to the Golden Domers, but for now he looks at a 6-6 team that loses its two best offensive stars and has a lot of work to do on defense. Kelly's quick-fix may have worked against the Syracuses and Louisvilles of the world, but with the players they have and against the schedule the Irish face, it won't be that easy.
As the weekend went on, we saw our Buckeyes drop one to Butler that they easily could have won. It was a scrappy effort as Chris mentioned, but the Bucks couldn't find offensive consistency without The Villian leading the way. They do have three cupcake games coming up before conference play to work on their chemistry without ET, so we should be all fixed up to play four of our first five Big Ten games on the road, right?
Finally, the Heisman Trophy was presented to Mark Ingram last night for his performance in the SEC Championship Game 2009 season. Don't get me wrong, Ingram had a great year, but I thought Gerhart was the best player in college football all season long and deserved the award. Looks like next year we'll have to hope TP steps up and can help preserve Archie's record yet again.
So vent away at any issues you have, enjoy the rest of your weekend, and keep the 19 day countdown to Pasadena rolling as there is sure to be a ton of fun in between now and January. Don't worry we'll be here throughout your wait and we promise, we are not going to talk to Notre Dame or Kansas about any blogging vacancies.
Comments
Ingram deserves the Heisman. Best player on the best team. Without him, Bama would have lost to VaTech and not made it to the SEC title game.
What did he do when they almost lost to auburn in the iron bowl? NADA....I like ingram point was Gerhart showed up EVERY game...its best player in college football and not best player on best team in college football
Yea.. I have been trying to be a good sport about UC this year, but then Friday night, flipping through my radio dial I came across 700 WLW (AM station) out of Cincy. They actually have an entire 30 second spoof about (with Fight the Team playing in the background), "(paraphrasing) So, who's the best team in Ohio? This is easy! Ohio State...Nope. Are they undefeated? Nope. Two losses. We at UC will soon have a new coach who will run new plays with new flair! You guys!? Nope. Same old sweater vest running the same 10 plays he always has. Hop on the train and enjoy the ride on the caboose, Buckeyes (toot-toot)! Congrats, Bearcats on an undefeated regular season!"
Okay, so... the gloves are off. Here's something you should know UC. 1) If (and when) tOSU goes undefeated again, all me to make you a rock-solid guarantee ... WE will be in the BCS title game. 2) Whoever is hired as your next coach, should he succeed, will bail for the first next (BETTER) job. He will gleefully make his escape from Northern Kentucky and never look back.
Congrats, UC, on being undefeated and STILL being a doormat.
all = allow (fast / p--sed off typing = mistakes) Sorry.
Suh or Gerdhart should've "one" the Heisman...and we should've "one" against Butler. Out of Hound, huh?
This was a weekend for some big vists right? Any news on the possible new commits?
The award is to "the best player in college football," not "the best player on the best team." It's great when those overlap, but they definitely didn't this year. Suh or Gerhart should have won. Anything else was (and is) robbery.
Do we think it "possible" Terrell Pryor will win the Heisman?
I would definitely call it "possible." IMO he'll need to develop the ability to consistently complete 7-10 yard passes. With his speed, etc... he'd be lethal if he could (a-lah T. Smith to Ginn and Robiskie) consistently hit the 7-10 yard sideline pass.
I see what you did there.
Possible yes, probable no.
thanks
its possible TerrellE pryor could win not sure about Terrell though
And I spelled Gerhart wrong. By mistake.
2010 Heisman fluff, TP listed as number 4. CollegeFootballNews
http://cfn.scout.com/2/928552....
Shame on me as a Buckeye fan, especially. When you write in a public forum, you understand why editors are indispensable.
Ingram didn't show up once in a big situation for Bama. It was always mcElroy! Im done with this award. Unless a Buckeye wins of course. But in that case, given the national hate these days, for a Buck to win would have to be a run away. (Troy Smith)
I heard Mack Brown was in town visiting Jordan Hicks.
Thoghts on the Bengals:
1. 6-0 as the underdog this year.
2. Defense allowing a sparse 82.5 rushin yards per game.
3. Vikings have played 1 team better than .500 all year (Zona) and got crushed.
4. Brett Farvra followed his usual late season MO by looking old in that loss.
5. I'll take the Bengals and the 6.5 all day long.
Thanks for the post, from which I excerpt:
"4. Terrelle Pryor, QB Ohio State
He's due to become the superstar everyone has waited for. He'll have the talent around him to finally live up to the hype."
If we win the Rose Bowl, it's impact could be incalculable.
The 2010 schedule has a strong MNC-quotient.
I don't feel Terrelle needs to have the Heisman in-hand to achieve our ultimate end, however.
I have no problem with Ingram winning the award. He had some huge games where he single handedly one the game for them. I thought Gerhart should get it, but lets not kid ourselves, Troy Smith won on a year where Brady Quinn had better all around stats, and Darren McFadden may have been the BEST player in college football. Troy truly benefited from being the best player on the best team. I'm happy he got it, but not convinced the year he won it, he was the best player. He definitely was the MVP of Ohio State but to say he was by far the best, I'm not so sure about that.
just joshing all good fun....
Terrelle Pryor 2009 = Vince Young 2004? Shaky start, strong finish, Rose Bowl win, carries momentum into 2005 and wins MNC (close in Heisman)....all the signs are there
The only thing worth listenning to on 700 are Red's games, if it weren't for them, I'd never turn that damn radio station on. They are all a bunch of blow hards and idiots. I had Ken Broo on there talking about how UC would dominate Ohio State, and I sent him an email to give a counter argument to his points, I gave stats and hard data instead of fan talk. He sends me one back saying I look at things through an Ohio State prism and that he didn't make half the points I called him out on. The ones he denied were the ones he had no come back on.
It's a shame we'll have to wait a couple years for the game, but when Ohio State spanks them by 30 we'll see who's number 1.
I think he will be a stud next year. He's improved a whole lot since the beginning of the season. I won't argue with anyone about it just wait anxiously to see what you all say after he rips up Oregon in the bowl game.
I don't see how the Bengals will run on the Vikings interrior, and with as bad as their pass blocking has been I think Palmer gets sacked 5 times at least. I hope they win, but as dependent as their offense has been on the run this year, I think this is going to be a really tough game to pull out.
Troy was the best player, by far, that year. They threw the ball all over the place and he threw, what, FIVE int.? Again, too lazy to look it up, but didn't he beat three second ranked teams? That 'no way I'm letting this team lose' play vs. Penn St.. Don't let the title game sway you. He was hands down the best player.
Who was better? Brady Quinn? Not a chance.
Yeah, that year he was the best player by far, all we tend to remember was how bad he was in the NCG. But he was crazy good all year long, hell he won by the 2nd largest point differential in the history of the award.
Good analogy, Alex!
I have heard that Hicks is a virtual lock for Texas. That's okay. I don't mind losing recruits as long as we don't lose them to scUM or State Penn. Also, we are LOOOOOOAAADED at LB for the time-being.
You guys at 11W got any thoughts on the BigTen expansion? Maybe that's coming in a later post. I have to admit it does have me very curious and intrigued.
The biggest concern I have is "What does it do to 'The Game?'" If OSU is in the South Division (say) and UM is in the North, we could still play, but there would be a chance we would play twice a season (with the second meeting being the the Big 12 Title Game).
FYI....We'd need a new conference name (Attn: 11W Staff... I smell a contest!)
If we were in the same sub-division we'd only play once a year, but never for more than the right to go to the Conference Title Game. Hmmmm... I am anxious to hear if I am missing something/what others think of this.
Also, please don't even ask Notre Dame to join so they can snobbishly (yes, I know, that's not a word) decline. Ideas on who (not Notre Dame) to ask to join?!
It will either be Rutgers or Syracuse....have some inside and 100% reliable sources that know everything....Notre Dame would be first choice, but they have said no when invited...think about the country TV-wise...West Coast is too far and is covered for CFB, Southwest is covered with Texas, etc, south central covered, midwest is covered, southeast is covered, where is the untapped market? The northeast---college football is liked but not HUGE and can be huge with a team added to the big ten....syracuse's football program is not that strong and Rutgers is growing...RU is an AAU school which goes along with the Big Ten educationally and located in NJ they can tap the NY market (think BTN expansion as well).....according to my sourced rutgers just needs to sustain for a while that they can provide a competitive football program and they will be in the B10 as long as ND doesn't cave in first....I know you guys may not want to hear Rutgers but if they sustain 8-4/9-3 type season the next 3-4 years or so they will be in the conference...if the conference wants to move sooner i still think RU will be the choice but they don't want to jump the gun
see below, but as for The Game that is actually a legit concern with the Big Ten ADs...they look at models like Texas-Oklahoma, Alabama-Auburn, UF-UGA, etc. but they do look at this as different as (pre-rich rod) The Game usually decided the conference title. I think they would put them in the same division so they play every year but not play twice as if OSU beat UM in reg season then lost in champ. game it would not be good for conference....It def. would taint the game a bit and you could end up loading a division like b12 south....I would split it:
Iowa, Minny, Wisco, PSU, Ill., NW
OSU, UM, MSU, IU, Rutgers, Purdue
I know PSU doesn't make sense with those teams geographically but it would provide good balance
Alex...fear not, RE: PSU. It took my dad an hour to explain it to me when I was 10 and thought it made no sense for "The Victors" to end with "the champions of the West."
and it still doesn't really make sense
the champions part of course
I know this is about the money a conference championship game would bring and the addition of a 12th team facilitates that by adding numerical balance.
But, I sentimentally argue for keeping the Big Ten nameplate. It could still be the Big Ten if the "Big Ten", literally, equated playing ten conference opponents. This would make for a thirteen-game regular season schedule, including a three-game, non-conference slate.
very interesting. Yeah, I'd say Rutgers doesn't get me terribly excited.
Is it totally asinine to think the Big10 won't look at geographic extremes at all? I know as fans we think it would be absurd to pursue a Boise St or TCU, but would it? I don't know. It seems contrived....but no less contrived than the Pac10 gunning for Texas several years ago. If Boise St provides more west coast exposure and strengthens the talent of the conference (admittedly looking at football only here) then who knows. And TCU definitely is a great school with access to texas HS talent.
As a fan, I feel like these kinds of options are a little silly, but I'm not sure anything geographical gets me excited either, outside of ND or maaaaybe pitt. But pitt will help us in basketball as well.
Not silly at all in terms of competition but you have to remember Travel expenses....we're not only talking football here as the conference wants to bring a team in who will join all/most sports...travel is expensive for those other sports (baseball, women's hoops, etc.) in addition to football and MBB....it's unfortunate that it's probably going to be RU, but as I said my sources are VERY inside the situation and that's reality
I think geography serves the identities of the other conferences. Since 41-14, the SEC and the press have been extolling that conference's superiority over ours.
Regional flavor would only raise the stakes on inter-conference competition and may - ultimately - play the biggest role in securing a playoff.
1. Heisman: I still think C.J. Spiller was the best player this year. Like Ingram, he had his best game in the conference championship game (albeit in a loss): over 230 yards rushing and gobs of receiving and return yards.
2. Butler game: Need to play better defense and that starts with some defensive rebounding. I'm still amazed that we can get out-rebounded 33-27 against a smaller team. The Bucks were scrappy, but not scrappy enough in my book.
3. Expansion: Why do we need a 12th team? Go to 2 divisions as is: 5 in one division and 6 in another. Continue to play an 8-game conference season by mixing in B10 teams from the other division. This is not rocket science. And I still think it would shame the BCS if the B10 went to a 2-game playoff for the conference championship. They would have the time if they scrap the worthless bye week idea.
It will be nice to get a good coach like Schiano in the B10. Rutgers ended up playing very well this year, the early season loss to UC sorta took them out of any conversations. Also, I can see Rutgers being on board because moving to B10 plus their recent stadium expansion means that Schiano will be less likely to bolt for a better job. Maybe thats why he turned down Miami a couple years ago. Any school that can challenge PSU's recruiting dominance of the east coast is alright in my book.
Ingram didn't deserve to be the winner. He wasn't even the best running back in the SEC (see Anthony Dixon).
Troy Smith 15 Yard TD run
per NCAA rules, you can't have a conf championship game with less than 12 teams, which would make it pointless to go to two divisions
I think Brady Quinn had more TD's and more yards that year with games against USC and Michigan that year. Stat wise Quinn was better against a tough schedule.
That year they beat 2 number 2 teams, lost 42-24 against the other.
41-14 sorry
When you expand the conference, shouldn't you add a team that will improve the conference? Syracuse and Rutgers would just add another bottom, to lower 3rd type team. Much rather see ND, Missouri, Pitt, someone like that. Hell even steal Boston College away from the ACC, they were talking about going back to the Big East.
I wanted to go ahead and do my homework on my point that in that year Troy wasn't overwhelming the best, but benifted from being undefeated.
Troy Smith: 203/311 2542 yds 65.3% 30 TDS 6INT.
Brady Quinn: 289/467 3426yds 61.9% 37TDs 7INT
To me, Troy benifited from playing on a team that was undfeated, and I'm glad he did. Texas was number 2 at the time of the game, but I believe they lost 3 or 4 games that year. So again, while Troy was great that year, it also helped that he played on the best team. Not to mention, Brady was throwing to a tall slow white guy and Troy was throwing to Gonzalez and Ted Ginn Jr.
Hasn't Hicks been pretty strong toward Texas the whole time? I remember reading over the summer that he wanted to go to Texas. Doesn't he have family from Austin or something?
Hicks liked Texas as a kid or something like that, but many think him and his mom moving can lead to OSU coming in and swooping him up...he really likes Fickell so keep your eye on that situation and don't be surprised if UF jumps in and surprises.....on another note, looks like Hankins will be a Buckeye in the next few weeks...if we can get him and Floyd our DTs will be LOADED
I think Rutgers could stay in the top half of the B10. Recruiting will improve. They were a tad underrated this year. The season opening debacle really cast a negative light on the team. But, they finished strong and are in a bowl game. Thats the important part. id take them over Syracuse. Can't see Mizzou leaving the B12 North.
Why not West Virginia?
West Virginia is the team that appeals to me. They have been consistently above average for long enough whereas Rutgers has not and 'Cuse has dipped in to irrelevance.
how are WV's academics though? Serious question, just cuz it's in WV doesn't mean it's automatically crap, i just don't know though
Academics, I think some people don't realize how important that is, not only as how good the school is but in what kind and how much money they bring in with research. There is so much more that goes in to picking a school than just of field success.
Gerhart for Hesiman...wait, I'm late? Crap.
on field not of
Academics and TV Market are the two things they are lookiing for...WVU has neither...Mizzou is no better than Rutgers in football right now so they're out anyway....ND won't jump b/c they think they make SO much more $ on theit TV contract which could eventually be in jeopardy and conference sharing in B10 is better anyways over time, especially when you dont make BCS bowls.....Pitt would be good as they are solid in FB and Very good in BB, but they aren't really looking at Pitt due to wanting to expand their TV market....
Being that I live 15 minutes from New Brunswick, NJ, I just can't see Rutgers fitting into the Big Ten. Now I understand that the team has vastly improved over the course of the last four years specifically, and I think as long as Schiano stays there, they will continue to draw talent from Florida and keep some of Jersey's best athletes around. However, from a culture standpoint, I just don't see how Rutgers fits into the Big Ten. Also, don't be deceived by Rutgers' record this year. Three of their wins were against Howard, Texas Southern and Florida International. They lost to all of the best teams they played (Cincinnati, West Virginia and Pittsburgh) and they also had an awful loss at Syracuse. Their best win this season was against Connecticut, and it took a last minute touchdown to do it.
To me, it's Notre Dame or don't bother. West Virginia is the only other team I would consider, but I can't see them leaving such a winnable conference.
I would rather keep the amount of teams, take away two out of conference games and play every team in the conference instead.
Also, I can't really say West Virginia's academics are really up to the standard set by the Big Ten.
yeah, I looked it up, turns out WVU isn't in the AAU, so there's no way we'd ask them.
The public universities that are adjacent to the B10 and in the AAU include:
Buffalo
Iowa State
Kansas
Missouri
Maryland
Nebraska
Rutgers
Pitt
Virginia
Not sure any of the private schools would really fit besides Syracuse.
Terrelle is going to be VY II next year absolutely guaranteed with the schedule, although the pass yards might not be as high. 2nd in the voting to a RB though
The only thing that bothers me about the heisman is that the favorites are picked and its about impossible for any other players to get their names in there. This year was different since Bradford was hurt at the beginning of the year. His name dropped right away. Tebow being hurt and playing that cupcake schedule should of had his name dropped right away. But do to ESPN kissing his royal A$$ all year long he stayed in the hunt. We can thank Ingram and the Bama defense for saving Archie's record. Gerhart should have won the award but since he plays at Stanford and the only game anyone saw him play was the ND game that hurt his stock. Quite frankly I think the heisman favorites shoudnt come out till the BCS rankings come out. By then we will know who is a legit runner. Of course, I also think the award shouldnt be given out till the bowl games are over.
Stats aren't everything Brian, Brady finished 3rd in the voting that year. Was Troy on the best team, yes, but he made it the best team. He actually only had 5 int's going into the NCG, I believe he added 5 rushing TD's. He had Heisman moments where he stepped up at big times in big games.
Did you go to High School with Brady or something? I get that he is a Dublin kid and was good that year, but when you finish with 13 first place votes compared to 801 I don't get why you are even trying to have the argument.
Half your points were incoherent. And as I recall, your were arguing history and the subject was current events. The topic wasn't about last year or the last three decades or next season, it was this year.
If you're giong to use my name, get your facts stright....and have the courage to use your real name.
The Heisman should go to the player with the best college CAREER, which is why McCoy should have won. He has the record for most wins as a starting QB for a very good reason: He wins the game in the end. Period. Oh, and the bUCkeye state just became THE Buckeye State once again.
The Heisman is college football's "Oscar." It's silly. None of our gridiron "heroes" got there alone. Winners should melt their Heismans down into miniature - "Gold Pants-sized" - Heisman dudes, for all their teammates.
New Big Ten: Add Pitt
South Division: PSU, PITT, OSU, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois
North Division: Michigan, MSU, Minny, UW, Northwestern, Iowa
Basketball: Losing to Butler is not acceptable. I don't care if your best player is hurt. Put somebody else in and march on. Get it together Thad.
I hope Florida beats them by 100. Cincinnati fans are the biggest jokes in the US. I guess they found their latest bandwagon to hop on. Once they return to mediocrity, Nippert Stadium will go back to being half-full, which is quite impressive since its already the smallest stadium of any BCS school.
"Cincinnati is the most insecure city in the nation. It has no idea what it is or where it belongs."
Also can't wait for the Bungles to backdoor into the playoffs then lose to a 9-7 team at home.
Please no 12th team. It would destroy The Game.
ugh. this is such a bad move. there is no market for rutgers in NYC. none. rutgers as a commodity is brand new. it has no established market presence in NYC. how far along in this are they? have they actually made some kind of quiet/confidential inquiry with the rutgers folks to feel them out?
there is a bigger UConn footprint in NYC than Rutgers. if they want NYC they would be MUCH better off with Syracuse.
A+ Gimmick Account.
"this year" is so historical. how about "right now" - as in right now, your team does not have a coach. so quiet down child.
Another internet coward weighing in, afraid to use his real name. Classic