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What's the Point?

Judging from yesterday's poll, the majority of you agree with us that poor point guard play is the biggest concern facing the basketball Buckeyes as they head into the final 12 regular season games.

Sure, Lighty's injury was a major setback but without an effective floor general his absence is not the reason the Buckeyes find themselves 3-3 in conference play while ranking 9th in Assist/TO ratio and 8th in scoring offense.

The juco transfer duo of Jeremie Simmons and P.J. Hill have combined to shave years off my life thanks to erratic, yet contrasting play.

Though a small portion of you continue to disagree, Simmons is clearly the lesser of the two evil's and by far the more productive player. Considering this team struggles to put the biscuit in the basket, his ability to actually get off his own shot is reason enough for Matta to give him the bulk of the PG minutes.

Those in the Hill camp point to his defense and intangibles which is usually a veiled attempt to ignore the numbers. I agree Hill plays hard but I don't think he's playing any harder than Simmons - it just looks like it because his dreads are flopping all over the court. I will never change my opinion that some are confusing his spastic bouncing around at the top of the key as good defense. He's moving, but he's not really doing anything.

Of course, no argument is worth anything without some type of proof so let's take a look at the numbers.

Since there's a wide disparity in minutes played due to Hill rightfully riding the pine before Crater's mom derailed her son's hoops career, I broke the stats down by minute instead of by game.

Name Minutes Pts/min Asst/min TO/min Asst/TO Stl/min Reb/min FG%
Simmons 439 .28 .12 .05 2.3 / 1 .03 .07 32.7
Hill 115 .12 .10 .10 1.1 / 1 .02 .09 28.6

As you can see, Simmons has the edge in every statistical category excepting rebounds per minute which is really inconsequential since nobody from the school of logical thought is concerned about the number of rebounds provided from the point guard slot.

In the stat that matters most when it comes to PG play, Simmons is far superior in assist-to-turnover ratio at 2.3 to 1 compared to Hill's paltry 1.1 to 1.

This is important in that many of the Hill supporters love to incorrectly prop Hill for being a true point guard claiming he's on the floor to distribute the ball whereas Simmons is just a gun.

The PredatorHill: "He plays hard!" (D. Harker)

Cue Lee Corso - not so fast my friend. The truth is Hill is incapable of scoring so the perception is that he's out there looking to distribute when in reality he adds virtually nothing to the offensive cause. The object of the game is to score points and he neither scores points nor sets up his teammates to score at a rate that effectively offsets his turnovers. How's he been lately? Try one assist and six turnovers in his last four games.

Conversely, Simmons not only more than doubles Hill's A/TO ratio but he's also capable of at least making the defense account for him in the half court. Simmons' .28 points per minute dwarf Hill's .12 and for those that jump on Simmons' shot selection, he's actually making a higher percentage of his shots (32.7%) compared to the Predator (28.6%).

In conclusion, I want to make it clear I'm not attempting to sing the praises of Jeremie Simmons. The fact of the matter is Simmons is really a legit juco combo guard trying to play point guard at the D-1 level but he's still a much more effective player at this level, and on this team, than P.J. Hill. It's not hate, it's fact.

Therefore, I think it's indisputable Matta is correct in giving Simmons the bulk of the minutes because he is clearly a bigger asset and has far more potential. We've seen Hill's ceiling and it's not as good as the current version of Simmons and he'll likely improve somewhat with continued minutes.

The bottom line is we must live with the fact this team will likely, ultimately, be undone by poor point guard play until Matta can bring in a more suitable option but for now Simmons is the best he's got.

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Scott on 22 Jan 2009 - 3:17pm #

Excellent work on this breakdown. Couldn't agree more with you on the Predator.

However, prepare to feel the wrath of the Tampa Buckeye!!!

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TankTyler on 22 Jan 2009 - 4:00pm #

Simmons points/min should be .28, not .89. Otherwise a very solid analysis, I agree Simmons needs to continue getting the majority of the minutes.

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iballbuckfan on 22 Jan 2009 - 4:07pm #

Simmons jumper is much more fluid and natural than Hill's. Although, there is some validity to Hill bringing energy to the floor when he's out there.

I still think Simmons is going to improve with every game. Thad is doing a good job with the cards he was dealt.

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Corey on 22 Jan 2009 - 4:07pm #

Good call TankTyler, Chris must have been drunk off the Northwestern win over Michigan State last night!

It has been fixed, before it got too out of hound!

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Wil on 22 Jan 2009 - 4:31pm #

So we get to choose between "bad" or "worse" ........this reminds me of one of my favorite quotes:

"There are no good options, we prefer to call it embracing the suck."

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Chris on 22 Jan 2009 - 4:39pm #

My bad on the pts/min error!

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Chris on 22 Jan 2009 - 4:45pm #

I know! I can't believe Tampa hasn't chimed in yet. Everyone's entitled to their opinion and I respect Tampa's but I can't help but think he's somehow related to the Predator. The numbers dont lie but the floppy hair does :)

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Julius Erving on 22 Jan 2009 - 4:50pm #

It's like choosing between Busch Light and Old Milwaukee. You don't really want either of them and neither are really very good, but since there aren't any good imports availabe, let alone any Budweiser, you go with the Busch Light and hope for the best. Too bad Coors Lite got disgruntled and transferred as some of that might have been OK for a change. Wait, what was I talking about?

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lancelott on 22 Jan 2009 - 4:55pm #

will we make the big dance this year (considering we are 7th currently)? i don't know/remember how many teams the big ten projects getting in...

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iballbuckfan on 22 Jan 2009 - 6:25pm #

The minimum the Buckeyes have to do for this year to be a success:

Finish top 5 in conference, make dance, play well in opening round or win.

What's everybody say?

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TLB on 22 Jan 2009 - 6:34pm #

I see 6th as our best finish, behind Mich St., Wisc, Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota.

That said, Penn St and Northwestern are playing pretty good ball right now so wins we normally count on might not be as easy as in the past. But one of them is offset by an awful, awful Indiana team.

The Michigan win on the road was big and we may have to win at Iowa to get 9 conference wins.

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flipbuckeye on 22 Jan 2009 - 6:41pm #

LOL. As I was reading I thought the title of the post should be renamed to "Dear Tampa Buckeye"

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Wil on 22 Jan 2009 - 6:57pm #

If we are top 6 we get in
if we are 7th we MIGHT have a slim chance if the Big 10 continues to impress

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MikeLew on 22 Jan 2009 - 7:14pm #

I really think that if OSU is sitting at 7th in the Big Ten, we need a day one win in the BTT to get to the dance. To be 7th in the conference, we'd have to finish 10-8 or 9-9, I think. If we can hold court at home(say, only 1 home loss) and steal one, maybe two on the road, we should be fine, NCAA-wise. The wins over Miami, ND, and Butler are really going to help our case when the selection committee starts their work.

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Moses Malone on 22 Jan 2009 - 11:36pm #

Hey Dr. J, shouldn't Dom Perignon still be running the point for this team?

Oh crap, I forgot, he's lacing 'em up for the Memphis Grizzlies.

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Andrew Toney on 23 Jan 2009 - 1:31am #

I'd take an Old Mil over Budwiper any day.

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Dave N on 23 Jan 2009 - 3:21am #

"I’d take an Old Mil over Budwiper any day."

HERESY!

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BuckeyeChief07 on 23 Jan 2009 - 9:09am #
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Chip on 23 Jan 2009 - 7:43pm #

teams have to at least guard Simmons' on the 3 pt arc unlike Hill. Hill provides no threat inside or outside which really allows teams to turn up the pressure on the Diebler elve and our bigs inside.

sometimes it seems he gives a spark off the bench, but the analysis above and the minutes distribution thus far are both right on.

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tampa buckeye on 24 Jan 2009 - 5:17pm #

HAHA Ok guys sometimes I wonder if anyone on here has ever played even "pick up" level basketball. PJ Hill's defense is better than Simmons Offense. I couldn't disagree more with the "PJ just looks like he's playing good d" comment. He is always in position and will take a charge or get on the floor for lose balls. He is cut out of the Chris Jent mold and those guys are just as important to a winning team as the guy that scores 20 a game. The problem with Simmons is he isn't a great shooter he just thinks he is and his defense is nothing to write home about. He wouldn't start on 7 out of the 11 teams in the league and he shouldn't be starting for Ohio State.
That being said Matta should get away from the zone defense and play full court man to man. This team has the athletes to run up and down the court with anyone. Mullens and Dallas are both mobile bigmen and Buford, Diebler, Turner all can turn on the jets.
Not having Lighty is hurting this team alot more than anyone expected. We lost a great defender and a guy that could get into the paint. Turner needs to get back to shooting that 15 footer. I thought he forced it to the basket too much last game.
This team doesn't really need a point guard to score and if Matta wanted to he could go big with buford, turner, diebler, BJ, Dallas. That line up would be very hard to match up with. One of the bigs would have a mismatch in the paint but its not like we would feed the post ever ha ha. Go Bucks

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tampa buckeye on 24 Jan 2009 - 5:23pm #

It should be Titled "Matta sides with Tampa Buckeye!"

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Chris on 24 Jan 2009 - 5:54pm #

It might be hard to play full court man and run up and down the court with a seven man rotation but I agree that showing a little man to man would at least be worth a look.

Also agree Turner has been pressing leading to turnovers and bad shots. Seems like he's looking for a foul call after every drive when he could've just pulled up in the lane as you suggest.

As for Hill...agree to disagree, as usual :)

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tampa buckeye on 26 Jan 2009 - 11:06pm #

Ohio State built a 13 point lead in the first half with my boy PJ on the floor. The majority of the points Lucas got loose for came with Simmons on the floor. I know you guys like numbers. Tell me How many points lucas had with PJ on him and tell me how many with Simmons.

Buford needs to get out on the shooter alot quicker. He is too good of an athlete not to be playing d.

PJ even hit a bonus 3 for us and forces a few turnovers. Good Job PJ keep playing hard. If the rest of the team played with your energy we would be undefeated.

Last but not least when you play zone all the time you will get out rebounded. If not for 2nd chance points Ohio State wins.

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