The football gods have spoken, and behold: They have appointed unto Ohio State a date in the desert with a team angry about not having been invited to the national title game, and sporting a Heisman Trophy-caliber quarterback. Goody, goody.
Fiesta: The Party BowlThe Longhorns might be upset about not being invited to the BCS title game, but it’s somewhat apropos that they be invited to the Fiesta Bowl – a game started by people upset about a lack of bowl invitations. In the late 1960s, the WAC found its champion staying at home on New Year’s Day; invites were hard to come by in a bowl system dominated by the major conferences. In 1970, after conference champion Arizona State was relegated to an appearance in the Peach Bowl, the WAC decided to quit waiting for an invitation to a major bowl. It picked up its toys, went home, and made a bowl game itself. Voila! We had a Fiesta Bowl.
The Fiesta Bowl started small, but established legitimacy with visits by Penn State and Nebraska in the mid-70s. In 1978, the WAC tie-in ended, but the game continued to draw teams from the major conferences. In 1981, the Fiesta Bowl Committee elected to play its game on New Year’s Day, and scored a huge boost when Penn State beat Miami 14-10 in an unofficial national title game in 1986. The Bowl Coalition and Bowl Alliance – predecessors to the BCS – incorporated the Fiesta Bowl into their arrangements, and the Fiesta Bowl became a permanent part of the BCS system in the late 1990s.
With all that in mind, let’s take a quick look back at Ohio State’s appearances in the Fiesta Bowl over the years.
1980 – Penn State 31, Ohio State 19
Before there was Good Rex/Bad Rex, there was Good Art/Bad Art. A year after having played USC for the national championship in the 1979 Rose Bowl, the Buckeyes entered the Fiesta Bowl against Paterno’s Lions with a 9-2 record, including losses to UCLA and Michigan – both in Columbus.
Things looked good in the first half. Penn State’s Curt Warner took the opening snap 64 yards for a touchdown, but the Buckeyes roared back with 19 unanswered points. Schlichter completed 15 of his first 22 passes for 244 yards and three touchdowns, two of which went to wideout Doug Donley. Penn State picked up a field goal at the half, but things looked very good for Ohio State.
And then, something happened. Penn State consistently drove the ball on the ground against Ohio State. NFL-bust Todd Blackledge scored a touchdown on a keeper in the first five minutes of the third quarter, and the Lions added two more touchdowns on the ground in the fourth. Ohio State had no net yardage – zero – in the third quarter, and were held to just 73 total yards in the second half.
It was the first of several years that gave “Old 9 and 3 Earle” his nickname.
1984 – Ohio State 28, Pitt 23
From the start, this game appeared to be a matchup between teams of comparable talent. Bruce’s Buckeyes entered the game with a record of 8-3 and a #14 ranking, sporting a win at Oklahoma and losses to Michigan, Iowa and Illinois. Fifteenth-ranked Pitt, coached by Foge Fazio, had a record of 8-2-1, but no Dan Marino. It started methodically, but the game did not disappoint.
Ohio State scored early on a keeper by Mike Tomczak. Pitt tied the game at 7 apiece with a touchdown pass to wideout Clint Wilson, but Keith Byars put the Buckeyes ahead 14-7 at the half with an 11-yard touchdown run.
No one scored in the third quarter, as both teams tried to ride their running games, generally throwing the ball only off play-action, but the fourth quarter was a whirlwind.
Byars hung with the Electric Boogaloo crewPitt running back Joe McCall fumbled the ball forward – into the end zone – at the Ohio State 1-yard line. Clint Wilson pounced on the ball allowing Pitt to tied the game at 14. On the ensuing kickoff, Keith Byars scampered for a 99-yard touchdown, but Pitt answered that with a nice drive that ended with another touchdown pass – this time to Dwight Collins. For some reason known only to him, Fazio went for two, and failed, allowing Ohio State to keep a 21-20 lead. Pitt held Ohio State to a three-and-out on its next possession, then drove to an apparent game-winning 37-yard field goal with 2:39 remaining.
Trailing 23-21, Tomczak drove the Buckeyes past midfield, then hit Thad Jemison on a 39-yard touchdown pass with only 39 seconds remaining.
A boring game that had folks heading for the exits in the third quarter ended with offensive fireworks. The two teams combined for thirty points in the fourth quarter.
“The way we came back at the end of the game with the last-second touchdown pass was amazing,” said Keith Byars. “We just banded together, and it was definitely an Ohio State day.”
2003 – Ohio State 31, Miami 24 (2 OT)
If you’re a regular visitor to 11W, you already have this game on DVD, and it’s probably playing in the background as you read this. You probably have a Fathead of Craig Krenzel on your wall, and still get a little bleary-eyed when you think of Cie Grant singing “Carmen Ohio” at the post-game pep rally.
If you don’t, I’m assuming you’re a Kansas State troll, looking for something to get riled about.
2004 - Ohio State 35, Kansas State 28
Speaking of K-State trolls, we covered this game last week and at risk of offending the entire state again, we'll just point you back to the original post if you want to read up on it.
2006 – Ohio State 34, Notre Dame 20
Jim Tressel’s Buckeyes had a tough year. Widely expected to be national title contenders, they stubbed their collective toes twice: once in Columbus against Vince Young and the Longhorns, and again in Happy Valley, against #18 Penn State. The team recovered well, though, as Troy Smith settled into the quarterback position and guided the Buckeyes to a #4 ranking and six straight wins, including a thriller at #17-ranked Michigan.
Regrettably, the Buckeyes had their work cut out for them. Notre Dame was coached by Charlie Weis, an offensive genius who was widely credited for inventing the pro set, the hot route, three-wides, the delayed draw and the very discovery of fire. The Irish came to Tempe sporting a #5 ranking and a pretty boy at quarterback.
Crystal, gold -- it's all good.Notre Dame started off quickly, and took a 7-0 lead off a 20-yard touchdown run by Darius Walker. Then Ted Ginn took over. He snatched a 56-yard touchdown pass from Smith, then ran for a 68-yard touchdown off a reverse. Smith threw an 85-yard bomb to future Ricky Williams-wannabe Santonio Holmes, and Ohio State led 21-7 at the half.
At halftime, Charlie Weis ate an entire living cow to motivate his team, and the Irish responded: another Darius Walker run cut Ohio State’s lead to fourteen. Two Ohio State field goals made the score 27-13. A third Irish touchdown from Walker brought Notre Dame to within 27-20, in a game where the score belied the physical beating Ohio State was administering on the field.
As the fourth quarter winded down, Ohio State went to the ground game, pounding Notre Dame into submission. Antonio Pittman tore off a 60-yard touchdown run, and Ohio State went on to win, 34-20.
All told, Ohio State stands 4-1 in the Fiesta Bowl, with Texas on the horizon. Having disposed of Colt McCoy once before, let’s see if Ohio State can do it again, and reestablish the program’s reputation in postseason play.
Comments
What about 2004 in the desert? Ohio State 35 - Kansas State 28 to put OSU's record at 4-1.
we dont mention that game anymore, due to fear of poop-slinging kansas state fans. shut up your face before something bad happens...
I am with Mark...why no KSU-OSU???
excellent reporting.... I think the K-State game was covered a few days ago-http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2008/12/the-buckeyes-and-big-12-fiestas-past.html#more-3155
but I do believe that the record in the fiesta is 4-1 (soon 5-1). We will not mention the 2006 game vs UF since it was not the acutal Fiesta Bowl game.
Shhh... come on guys, you're gonna set off the KSU Hater Patrol Alert System.
LMAO at 'Charlie Weis ate an entire living cow to motivate his team'. Cracks me up and his fupa is now visible in my head...
We covered KSU last week. I don't want another 364,768 posts about it. :)
I should have mentioned it in the record, though. My bad.
Yeah doesn't everyone remember the KSU fan invasion that happened within MINUTES of the blog being posted?
Its alright Joe. I mean who's really counting anyway? Oh...wait... we are.
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Good work on the Weis coverage Joe, but I also believe he left the team at half-time to get a quick snack at the all you can eat Chinese Buffet near the stadium..
took some sweet and sour shrimp back with him to eat on the sidelines.
LOL I am Brian! I'm counting it!
Ya good call leaving out the K-State nonsense. Not enough energy to do "Internet Battle" today.
But if it comes down to it, I will. All the confidence in the world with Joe "I killed men in WWII" Fox on our side.
Cheeseburger Charlie catching a quick bite during a tailgate party:
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That's a great photo. That'll be me on my honeymoon in February unless I get back to the Y.
I e-mailed Jason and asked him to make the record 4-1, and to put a pingback to the KSU review last week, presuming he has time to do so. As I said before, I decided to leave it out (although almost 200 posts can't be bad for a blog, I suppose).
The reason I made the record 3-1 in the Fiesta Bowl is that I crossed the KSU game off my list, then did a couple of revisions last night, just before the deadline, and forgot to add the KSU win back in. It's my fault.
"All the confidence in the world with Joe “I killed men in WWII” Fox on our side."
What the devil? :)
HAHAHAHAHAHA PB. That pic is awesome
Dont act like your not a hardened war vet Joe. Your like 80 yrs old. Modesty is the devil LOL
I'll bet charlie can kill a burger like that in less than a minute... a mere apetizer for him and his supergenius IQ to engulf. He is gonna have an awesome time at those Luau's!
Is that Mangino?
Personally, now that this season is done, im glad that a bit of normalcy is back. No more USF and Kansas in the top 15. I would look at the polls the last 2 seasons and be like WTF! Are you kidding me? Good to see that the ship has been righted, with the exception of the Boise State 'dynasty' that is.....
I want to win. Go Bucks.
We all want what you want steve. We all want it.
I have a bet with a Texas fan in my office. If Texas wins (ugh) I have to buy him a Fiesta Bowl victory T-Shirt. But when we win, Ill get one. SWEET!
Kind of off topic, but just saw that Mike Doss was signed by the Bungles. Injuries have kind of ravaged his pro career, but he is one of my all-time favorite Buckeyes. Even harder for me to admit is that I have always been a Cincy kind of guy (Reds, Bengals) & not a Cleveland fan. I hope Doss gets it back on track and can make an impact....
Easy on the Mangino jokes, that man may hunt you down and eat you.
I hate picking on the man because he is a fellow Youngstown man.
Lets be fair Robb, Mangino is easily two men
Ohio state is Total shit. Does any one in Ohio even watch other College Football Teams. The Buckeyes are lucky to get to be able to get there ass handed to them this year by Texas. OSU's Defense is Shit! and it showed the last few years in the BCS Championship games. you are young to get pwned and We all at K-State will laugh because the Ohio State Luckeyes are no match for the big 12.
One of them came back
Thats funny. We cant even find the motivation to watch K-State get their ass handed to them in whatever 'consolation' bowl you drew.
Once again, enjoy your life of mediocrity as a K-State fan douchebag. Guys, if tOSU ever gets so bad, that I need to fall back on the ENTIRE big ten conference for bragging rights, please put a bullet between my eyes. Thank you and good night
Notre Dame would beat K-State by 2 TD's. and that my friends is pathetic
I see Ohio State is still playing off a bullshit NC win in 2002. and getting away with many NCAA violations nice vette Pryor
I love the hate. Man, Siberia MUST be more boring than watching Ron Prince coach his old "team"
What year did K-State win the National Title? Ohhhh thats right, you didnt. EVER. or should I say NEVER?
At least we have a conference to fall back on. The Little 10 is shit. you won't ein a single bowl game.
Nothings as boring as watching maurice wells up the middle for -1
Being a K-State fan is like investing in a company you know is going down from the start. At least you can sell the shares of your company when it plummets, but being a K-State alum means a life of rooting for a 6-6 season.
they hate their own team so much that they have to fall back on the super-powers. Even tho Chokelahoma will get SLAUGHTERED by Tebow of Nazareth, and Texas, well we know what happens when Laurinaitis his McCoy in the mouth. Would you like me to send you a link of the '06 get together?
Ski, whoa man. Your giving them way to much credit. 6 wins?? Do they play in division 2 now??
I would rather root for a 6-6 team then a team that chokes every year. hows LSU and Florida's Cock taste.
LOL sorry. I was giving them credit for the Fiesta Bowl appearance a few years back. Who did they lose to again?
Your team doesnt even put itself in a position to choke my friend. Your arguement is dead from the start........
Its ok Buckeye fans I will send you a box of tampons for January 5th. you might want to start planning your excuses for this one.
so you'd rather fall back on your conference than have a team you can be proud of? that's just sad
Darren Sproles is better then any running back you have had in the last 25 years.
Thats funny. Hey there K-state. I have to give you props for putting up 35 against Oklohoma. To me, that means Florida is good for at least 70. Can you see the ass beating coming for Oklahoma. I can. Its gonna be ugly.
I fall back on it because we play Real Football. in the big 12. look at where Texas, Oklahoma and Texas Tech are ranked and look at the sorry big 10
Ok, who are you really K-state. You cant be serious about Sproles. Please, come on who are you really?
Darren Sproles is a lifelong backup. I would love to see Beanie mash the face of your best defender as he galloped for an easy touchdown...........
yeah Perdue was a sweet team this year too huh?
How many Heisman trophies has your school produced? 0. thats right. NONE.
No, real football requires you to play defense. The big 12 plays flag football. Tackling is forbidden
His team sucks so badly, that he has to claim the teams the RAPED his own during the regular season. Also, they are known as your rivals. I would never claim TTUN or PSU, no matter how much the Buckeyes sucked that year. But hey, a bad year for us is 10 wins. I couldnt imagine being a fan of a team that is expected to finish sub .500
Brett Powers is the greatest Quarterback in Ohio State History almost as good as Austin Mocherman. but only Slightly better then Marc Garcia and Scott Mcmullen
If you are a lifelong diehard, you might as well kill yourself now. Ease the pain
Your best QB was Roberson, and he should be doing time for Rape. Thats right. Even football players in Kansas cant get laid
at least our Quarterback doesn't pay a hooker. I mean police officer
Henton never even started a game. Mopup duty only. Thats what happens when your 3-4 deep with 5 star recruits at EVERY postion
and Rape is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better than soliciting a prostitute........take what you want right? Too bad your team can never TAKE a national championship or heisman winner
Have fun with your Smog and Crappy Air quality. While I breath fresh Kansas Air.
In the late 1960s, the WAC found its champion staying at home on New Year’s Day; invites were hard to come by in a bowl system dominated by the major conferences.
Thank god we got rid of that system...
I think they made the wrong decision in choosing OSU over Boise, and I think Boise got the shaft by playing in the Poinsettia Bowl.
But I will still support the Buckeyes.
Its not Rape its Surprise Sex.
Boise State is gay
The guy's a troll, just ignore him. Unlike other people that come here, he has nothing relevant to debate. Just flamebait.
alright guys, we've had fun with our troll for the day. Now let him go back to his own stadium, which barely seats 20,000 ppl
Shut up already. You remind me of a bunch of middle school girls screaming for the Back Street Boys or something.
Back Street is back Pogue, Alright?! LOL
Thats what happens when you play at a highschool and have to break out the folding and lawn chairs.
Re enforcements are on the way. You guys are up on the K-State Blog
Keeping McCoy between the hashes is going to be incredibly important. Somebody pointed that out yesterday, but it truly will be a big decider in the outcome of the game. He is deceptivley fast, and if we let him get the corner, well see Juice 07
"Keeping McCoy between the hashes is going to be incredibly important. Somebody pointed that out yesterday, but it truly will be a big decider in the outcome of the game. He is deceptively fast, and if we let him get the corner, well see Juice 07"
I hope Colt meets Mr. Gibson many times that day if he try's.
I agree he is a lot quicker then he looks.
K State??? What the hell have they done since that game vs Ohio State,,,,, oh yea... they tanked. And now they want to bring Snyder back out of Mothballs to coach from the crypt?? Weak , weak!! Name one win against a ranked opponent since that Fiesta Bowl for Kans ass state??
Take thee purple jerseys and stick them up your Kans ass rears........ you can chirp if you have done something in the last few years... all OSU did was finish in the Top 5 the past 2 years and get to a championship game. Most teams would kill for that.... yea we lost, but our time is coming again. No chirping, no crowing, just show it on the field. Lets see a non-conf matchup between K-state and OSU next year....
OSU 45 KState 6
Let him run. I'll love to see Hines put the crown of his helmet under McCoys chin strap. Example: Ask Ohio's Starter
is Bob Huggins among the reinforcements?
LOL @ Bob Huggins
Hines knocked out YSU's QB too. Not a huge accomplishment, but kid brings the wood either way. McCoy, good as he is, got his ass knocked around against A&M's D, and they are ranked like 112 out of 119 in total D.
Kansas State 6 points. I wouldn't even give them that.
Whats with the Kansas State people on here? And the all of a sudden rivalry with them? Brief summery, if it can be Brief?
they read the summary last week from the Fiesta bowl in 2004 (Jan) and the synopsis of the win.... they all flooded the blog like locusts and they are back now
We beat them badly in the only game that mattered in the entire history of the 'university' a few years back. Since then we have gone on to win 4 more Big Ten titles, A national championship, and two more appearances in the big game. Meanwhile, K-State has done a whole lot of NOTHING. Their fans are having trouble letting go...........
K-State wouldnt even win the WAC championship
the last 2 K-State Games:
SEASON BOWL OPPONENT RESULT SCORE
2006 Texas Rutgers L 10-37
2003 Fiesta Ohio State L 28-35
2008 record 5-7 (2-6 Big 12)
2 wins in their own conference.... I say it again, you can't chirp if you suck worse than Notre Dame... they went 6-6.
Wow! Thanks for bringing me up to date... Its sad when your football team is so horrible, that you have to go to another teams blog to cause drama.....
I'm New to this site. I just found out about it a few days ago. Was kind of intimidated to post on here but you all seem very welcoming. Will be looking Forward to talking buckeye football with you all.
Uncle buck.... you are way more than welcome...... glad to have you. This site is a blast!
you have to bring in notre lame yall are dumb
y'all??? WTF is that... isn't Kans ASS state a college??
and they are better than you. Sad but true. Their coach will eat your coach too.
how can Kstate football rule?? Rule what?? Not Div I or the Big-12..... maybe if they played in the SunBelt conference.
What I saw: 86 comments
What I assumed: Texas trolls
What I got: K-State tards
No PB, they would still only get 2 wins in the SunBelt too buddy
Nah, the Texas fans are pretty respectful up to this point
Even tho they are favored, they have to know its no gimme
Kansas State is easily the worst combination of program and fanbase, judging from the last few weeks. Ohio State fans are by and large classless assholes (raises hand), but at least we have a relatively healthy program to fall back on.
K-state tards are tards and tards only. No program to speak of.
Also, Buckeyeski: I know Texas fans are typically good sports, but every fanbase - EVERY FUCKING FANBASE - has trolls.
Hey Pogue...Tards???
That's offensive to me.
the internet was made to offend quite frankly. But I will not use the word if it does so, just because you are a bucks fan.
Do we really want another 86 comments about what's more offensive, the term "tard" or "fag"?
LOL no we can use the fag word freely
Come on dude...Tards is really not offensive to me but you gotta admit you should cut me some slack now.
LMAO! This site always gets better after lunch
i think the proper way to avoid offense is to create a new word: fagtard.
fagtard (noun): one who takes part in needless chirping
I would like to see Navy dropped from the schedule next season. Then add Kansas State. But then again. Navy would beat Kansas State. So it really wouldn't be an upgrade.
In all seriousness, I'm facing a moral dilemma right now. I always assumed 'tard wasn't that offensive because retards typically uh, don't understand it. Fag is more offensive because "fags" understand derogatory slang directed their way. But that's fucked up. I must ponder this for a while.
Kansas State? Do we really want another Div 1AA team dragging down our SOS?
I respect the armed forces to death, but playing Navy on OUR schedule is only a losing situation.
ski... how bout the colonial Athletic conference?? these guys have balls to talk smack with nothing but their little dicks to fall back on.
Uh, excuse me? Navy is just as much of a trap game as Ohio and Troy. If we get caught looking ahead to SC the next week, we'll lose.
Come on Pogue...come clean. Apologize to the retarded faggy Cicero Buck.
Fagtard is one of the best words created.
Agree with you there Ski. I'd rather schedule Cincy
I wasn't meaning to bash Navy at all. I was just trying to get a mythical match up with OSU's new rival. I do agree, it is a trap game. The thing I worry about for next years USC game is.. How will all the new guys play. Will we be able to reload like years past. Or is the USC game a little to early on the schedule next season.
Never too early to play USC in The Shoe. It will help the new guys grow up quickly.
Thats true. But if you think about it, most of the "new guys" have been playing this year already. Not gonna be too many brand new faces out there, bar Jamaal Berry and Marlon Brown (please!)
I've always been partial to the term "fucktard"
USC's defense suffers some pretty heavy losses in the offseason. They'll reload of course, but they'll have new guys too.
We'll have new starters at the following positions:
RB (Beanie is gone, people)
WR (Someone opposite Hartline, new slot guy or possibly Ray Small again)
OT (Mike Adams, ideally)
OG (Connor Smith?)
LB (Sabino and insert-OLB here)
One corner spot.
Defense should again be a strong suit.
Mobley will probably get that other spot so the LB core will be Sabino, Homan, and Mobley. Hines will prolly man the other corner if D. Washington commits career suicide and goes pro, leaving Moeller to fill the Star position....not looking too bad fellas
can not wait to replace the O-line. I put full blame for The Todd's demotion and SC/UF/LSU blastings on the o-line.
No question losing some dead weight on the O-line will be nice. Hopefully they send the Dead Weight king, Bollman, packing too
When I read that Bollman doesnt even have the line using the blocking sled in practice, my jaw dropped like a K-State fan watching their team win a game. I couldn't believe it
Uh, isn't Mobley slow as fuck for a LB? Wasn't he recruited as a DT?
Mobley was recruited as a DE
Oh wait, I think your right Pogue. My bad he is a DT. See what happens when Tress doesn't return my emails. Im forced to guess LOL
Out of curiosity, whatever happened to Mark Johnson? I don't see him on any of the rosters I'm looking at.
44 Mark Johnson DL 6-3 250 Kind of light to be a d-linemen. Is he supposed to play end?
So he's still on the team? Chances are good he or Brian Rolle will land that other OLB spot. I have the feeling I'm missing someone though. Can Sweat or Sabino play outside?
Its going to be interestin next year to see who is in at LB. I think Sabino and Spitler will most definetly play. Then depending on where we want to go from there. We have Dorian Bell coming in but I think he may be stuck on special teams. We have Andrew Sweat. He plays inside like Sabino. Then there is Rolle and Moeller. And dont forget Homan. So many options to choose from.
Im thinking they all get looks. Might even see a few 3-4 sets with all the LB talent we have.........
Hey Pogue I like the idea of maybe having Homan or Spitler on the inside and maybe have Sabino play outside with his speed. I dont know how fast Sweat is.
The only thing with a 3-4 is we would need a d-line that eats up blockers. We really dont have that right now.
I'm thinking the most likely outlook is
OLB - Homan, Rolle/Bell/Hines chimera, with Hines coming in on passing downs
MLB - Sabino/Sweat for the Navy game, your starter for SC is whoever a) has a better offseason and b) looks good against Navy
I'm not sold on Mark Johnson staying on the D-line at that weight. Perhaps he's our backup Leo guy?
If Johnny Simon is a dominant a DT as I've heard, he might be the guy in 3-4 sets. Problem is, he seems kinda light and tall. Might be a candidate for a move to DE. This would suck, because we're stacked at DE and Calista Flockhart thin at DT.
*as dominant
Thats true, but in 3-4 you can rush that extra backer from a different spot every time. Teams have no idea where that extra rusher is coming from.
Doesn't matter if they know a quick HB dive audible will net 5 yards every time against a 6-7 270 LB DT.
If the guy is 6'7 then adding 30-35 pounds wouldnt be a problem. The question is will Tressel let him play that big
Ski, get back to work! What have you done today, anyway?
Well, then why hasn't Doug Worthington hit three hundy yet?
We also have Fellows coming next year at end. I dont see him getting much playing time ahead of Gibson or Williams unless he absolutely dominates.
I work for the State Education Dept. bossman, you do too. We dont do anything....obviously
I dont know Pogue. That is one thing that confuses me the most about our d-line. The last two years we have gotten slaughtered by our opponents d-line. Dorsey was over 300 lbs and dominated our line allowing other players to smoke Boeckmen. I dont see how Tressel cant take a few notes about those games and do the same thing. I really think if we had a 300+ man on the line that was still able to move then do it. I dont think the Vest sees it that way.
Quite honestly, nearly every truly great defense has one nasty motherfucker at DT who routinely detonates the offensive line, absorbing multiple blocks to free up the backers or knocking the offensive interior flat on its ass and draggin the ballcarrier down in the backfield. Florida had many of these guys, LSU had Dorsey, and USC has Moala. The moment Tressel realizes this is the moment I start believing this defense is truly dominant again.
Yeah Pogue, but when was the last time we had that? Pitcock? I guess.........tOSU has always prided the D on solid LB play, and a second-to-none secondary. But getting that beast @ DT would be huge for our LB core for sure
Who here would love to see Dan Mullen the Florida offensive coordinator become the offensive coordinator at OSU rather than a head coach at Miss. State?
Pitcock wasn't that guy. He was good, but not good enough to routinely fuck with whatever the opponent was trying to do. I'd say the last guy like that was insert-dude-from-2002-D-line here.
I wouldnt mind that
i think Dan would rather go be a head coach then be the O Coordinator at OSU with an asterisk next to his name. We all know tressel calls the offense and I am sure he knows that too.
Mike - er, who wouldn't? But that's a lateral move, might even be a move down (lesser athletes at WR, weaker conference, no big bruising QB to save his ass on 3rd and short)
Yea there is a brainbuster for you guys. When was the last time tOSU had a dominant force at DT or Nose Tackle? Might need to go back to the dark ages for that one.....Joe Fox to the rescue! Joe I know that you know at least ONE!
Who was our d-linemen during our rose bowl win over Arizona State?
the fact that Tress calls the plays is the reason that we cant get a top notch O-coord. in columbus. Not slamming Tress, just the truth. Who would want to come in and be shackled?? Walt Harris might take the gig?? Not sure if he is a good fit though
Tim Anderson was our best lineman ever. Way underrated.
Well its obvious he would rather be a head coach as well as the whole tressel makes the calls issue BUT if we had a guy to replace bollman that is like Mullen then when you really think about it, it comes down to an OC that can really work with pryor and teach the offense (and linemen) to play aggressive as well as a spread which we all know were going to when Beanie leaves.
What about Dan Wilkinson at DT for us. Had to go looking to find him.
The one thing that only gets me is if we lay another egg in our bowl next month and its because our offense lacks the spread attack it needs then Tress has got to do something about it, either bring a guy in to work on the offense or Tress is gonna have to change something in his style which looks unlikely. I mean If I were Tress I would love having a OC who gets my offense in high octane fashion just like Florida's. It would only make Tress look better as a coach and not outcoached in the games when we face other high octane offenses.
If anything, I'd consider hiring whoever the hell Okie State's offensive coordinator is. Not a big name yet, but runs one hell of an offense.
Before we go bananas over a move to the spread - remember the '06 title game? We were running a spread offense, and it got all of 82 yards for us because the line couldn't block. At all. The moment we went to a the old reliable I, Antonio Pittman scampered for a TD. We then spent the rest of the night trying to wake up the spread ghosts, and it didn't work. No offense works if your line is fat and lazy.
What about the guy out of Ball State. He has done a great job with the QB they have there. They run a pretty solid O as well.
I've said this before. But I would take a S and C coach before anything. Wouldnt mind swiping a guy from an SEC school or USC.
A new strength and conditioning coach is a must. If we were given a choice of new coordinators with same old same old S + C and new S + C with these coordinators, I'd take the latter. The offensive line is an embarassment for a team predicated on a power running game.
S & C is def. a must pogue. Would like to see the O-line dominate again sometime before the end of the decade
Mike Barwis pees sitting down so hes out
I wouldnt even mind if it was a top named S&C coach. I would take one of his assistants that would pretty much do the same thing.
Orlando Pace is retiring, lets get him back home and have him teach these O-linemen how not to suck so much incredible ass.
thats too good to be true.....
Does Barwis have a sister?
She probably pees standing up. Still want her?
Texas is going to thump the shit out of you guys. However, in arrogance, both teams will always be tied.
Well, we mention Kansas State, and garner close to 200 posts again. That, my friends, is internet traffic gold. Gold, I say.
I hope no one listens to the notion of dropping Navy. I've been looking forward to that game since it was announced.
I am flying up to columbus from Florida for the Navy game... that is awesome to play a service academy. It has the feel of old time football and the academies are gracious guests to our stadium. They will be a welcome opponent as opposed to some of the a-holes coming to OSU soon (Miami Hurricanes 2010).
Upcoming Premieres:
"Tressel Goes To Cleveland"
"Meyer Returns To Columbus"
"Kelly At ND"
"Saban, Up North In Ann Arbor"
Haha now that is a change that would send the midwest in chaos but Urban Meyer is an incredible coach and after all he is an Ohio guy. I like Tressel but wouldn't mind if Meyer was our coach. He would obviously be a guy to light a fire under the linemens a$$es as well as the whole team but honestly if we want to compete on the national stage with the most elite teams then that's exactly what we need.
I love Tressel but he wouldn't last a day in the NFL.
Flip,
I think OSU is definitely a destination job for Tress, his personality, teaching, and coaching style is all wrong for the No Fun League.
What about Urban Meyer though? I cant see him retiring as a Gator, and already knowing Fickel is some kind of coach in waiting, do you think there is any possible scenario wher he could be the man in Columbus??
He also would never fit in the NFL, his offense is like Dick rod's.
iball,
I hate Urban Meyer, but he does not run a dickrod offense.
Poe,
Im just sayin its full of gimmicks and wacky formations, at least with Teblow.
I realize it was a little more conventional when he was at Utah. But, as it is now, it would be a drastic change from the norm in the NFL.
Tress is our guy for at least another 10 years, so it's hard to project anything that far in advance, but i would think that Meyer would be at the top of our list at that time.
Meyer would be 54(?), still young enough to take over the program and coach for a dozen years. It would be hard for OSU to pull him away from Gatornation, but if there is any team that could do it, it would be the Buckeyes (...and thats more of his words than mine...)
It will be a sad day when Tress hangs up the vest (a day that I don't look forward to) and I hope that he chooses to stay close to the University in some sort of roll.
I don't think Tressel lasts for 10 more years. It's a brutal job, he's not a spring chicken, and his father died young. Maybe 7 or 8 years. Probably less. And I think if he times his exit correctly (i.e. going out on top), he can have a huge influence on the heir apparent. I don't see Urban Meyer coming back to Ohio, but maybe to Notre Dame. I think Tressel would make a push for D'antonio, assuming he continues to put up 9 and 10 wins seasons at Michigan State.
And he has chosen to stay close to the university; in his most recent contract revision, he was guaranteed an academic teaching job upon retirement at Ohio State.
What's the deal with the Kansas State thing? Is he for real? Seems random. That's like an Purdue fan trolling a Texas blog. I fail to see why KSU would even care about Ohio football.
Oh well, good memories, nonetheless. Back to the Desert!
This is awesome...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
After watching that, I want to go Kroger the shit out of something. Anything.
Dantonio won't be a spring chicken in 7-8 years.
FYI in regard to next year...Mark Johnson is gone. Left the team at some point this season.
Jim, if I wasn't such a nerd, I wouldn't even know who he was. No sleep will be lost, unfortunately he was a big, fast LB recruit who never really saw the field and I think got moved to DE.
PS: If 54 of you are planning on getting a hooker in Arizona, I better get there early.
http://www.amazon.com/New-Gold...
Are you f'in kidding me??? Who the hell would buy this?? What rise to glory?? Has the world gone mad??
Penn State is now down to one scholarship QB for the coming year (D-Clark), as Pat Devlin has been confirmed by PSU to be transferring to D-1AA, and the other scholarship backup is graduating. He will not play with PSU in the Rose Bowl. Watch out, Clark; Rey is coming for you. If they have to go to the 3rd string graduating QB, then the Lions have no chance in hell.
http://pennstate.scout.com/2/8...
This could have an impact on PSU's ability to recruit a new QB. A hot-shot recruit would likely start as a RS-Freshman in 2010. I think there's an excellent chance that 5 star recruit, still uncommitted (and scheduled for OSU official visit) Kevin Newsome will end up at PSU now.
Wow that sucks for them. Landing Newsome would be a huge get, but I read other sources feel that he has been a lock for VTech for quite some time.
Speaking of Kevin Newsome....
http://hamptonroads.com/2008/1...
Give Jenkins a boost, fellas. Currently trailing the Berry by quite a few.
Jim Thorpe Award (Defensive Back)
http://sports.espn.go.com/chat...
Everybody go to that link and vote. Send jenkins out with what he deserves. Eric Berry is good and all, but his team sucks even with him.
It surprised me to see that Berry was in the lead. I wonder if it was because he had 7 interceptions. Two of those returned for TD's. But, did any of those two he returned win a game for Tennessee. He led his team in tackles because no one else could on that defense. I would rather see Mays win it then Berry. At least he played for a legit D. The only thing about USC's defense is the fact they played a shitty schedule. I almost want to compare there defense to the Big 12's offense. Was USC's defense so good because no one in the PAC 10 has a decent offense. We all saw what a good ground game did to USC. The other OSU beat them with one. Stanford stayed in the game longer then I thought this year by using there running game. If Penn State can get a running game going I really like there chances.
Oh and everyone better be voting for Jenkins.
"Yea there is a brainbuster for you guys. When was the last time tOSU had a dominant force at DT or Nose Tackle? Might need to go back to the dark ages for that one..."
In my opinion, the most dominant force at defensive tackle was Jim Stillwagon, with Bill Willis just behind him (though some would differ with that).
Wilkinson was terrific, but only good for every other play. He'd have been well-nigh unstoppable if he could have kept his switch in the "on" position on every down. I talked with his position coach with the Bengals a few years back, and he told me that he had never in his life seen a player who was as dominant and unblockable as Dan Wilkinson - but only on every third or fourth play. This was a guy who had coached Bruce Smith, too.
Spellman was loaded with physical talents, but bat-crazy.
Thats why everyone loved spellman tho Joe
Remember when they had to pull Spellman off the field against Louisville? What was it? Three offsides in a row?
Crazy.
Mc Nut was crazy! Remember that guy? Mc Nut for Heisman. Serisously though, He wasn't a lineman but my favorite defensive player was Nai'al Diggs. I don't know that he hit his full potential in college but man when he decided to turn it on he was flat nasty.
WTF, anyone see where the congressman from Texas plans to introduce legislation that would force college football to adopt a playoff system???
How the hell can govrnment have anything to do with CFB playoffs??
Oh yeah? I remember one hit he made, I think it could've been against Minnesota, where he just literally jumped over the line to hit the QB, it was pretty awesome.
Iball, I saw that too. I agree with the WTF, but there's no way that any legislation can get passed for that. He's just a hacked off Texas fan with a little power. There is way too much going on with this country right now to waste time and money even talking about this in congress.
McNutt for Heisman. Fucking classic. Brings me back. Reminds me of natural light induced Catshit Biffs pizza vomit and other assorted joys of being a young OSU undergrad. Oh, I want to go back, I got to go back.
http://media.www.thelantern.co...
That article is hilarious, they did a TV spot for it on one of the games the year too. I remember that. Didn't Mc Nutt get hurt or leave the team right in the middle of that season?
Yeah he was injured. But stayed on as a student coach, and now just began coaching for the Cleveland Browns. McNutt keepin' it locked down.
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com...
Talk about your 15mins of fame lol. That's the way to be a bench player, be the man the fans all love lol.
I just got a text from a friend that said that Nathan Williams got picked up for shop lifting. Can't confirm at the moment, but it doesn't sound good...
You got reason to believe he'd be privy to that info? Your friend, I mean? Not a good way for our future vanilla vernon to finish off his frosh campaign
Never mind. You're right.
http://www.daytondailynews.com...
Shit.
WTF!!!!!
Well, that means no bowl game, and probably no USC game, shit shit.
Did that article say he was a DARE role model?? WTF WTF!!!!!
Yeah Bro...he DARES you to call him out for shop lifting. If I was that Macy's manager...well, 6'4", 240 pounds, I'd let those Affliction t-shirts go and call it a wash.
[...] According to the DDN, Nathan Williams was arrested yesterday for allegedly swiping three shirts valued at $80 from a Macy’s in Beavercreek. (HT: Matt & J.B.) [...]
Well, let's not forget that DARE is simply a benficiary of the Po-Po stealing property from recreational drug users. They are themselves a product of theft.
Great timing by Nathan, not that it's ever ok. He gets to miss the bowl game (and a few games next year) for nothing more than a few shirts. I hope this is just a case of being young and making a really stupid decision.
iball and Brian:
That Congressman from Texas is a Texas A&M grad. have no idea why he's miffed, it's not like he or his constituents care terribly about UT.
BTW, since when does K-staters troll OSU blogs? How did this happen? Is there some sort of rivalry that I never heard of?
not really, but they seem to think so, lol
Tex Fan Joe,
Thery're not KSU fans, they're probly douche bag Cincy fans just feeling big cuz they got a bowl bid for the first time in history, we've been getting alot of shit from those fuckstains too. You from Texas or just a fan?
damn iball. calm the anger down my friend. Cincy fans dont know that much about their own program let alone KStates
Kstatefootball is the most obvious non-kstate fan ever...or real...either way, a total waste of space. I would say just kill yourself but your "it's not rape, it's surprise sex" comeback for Ell Raperson is clever and I will not suggest suicide, just deep and throrough evaluation of time management.
I'm a UT fan. I really look forward to this game. How's yall's left tackle? The best matchup of the game will be our all-world DE vs whatever 6-foot-8, 350-pound, 5-star, all-conference behemoth you guys trot out there.
our best linemen is our left tackle so have fun
Orakpo-Boone should be even, regardless of Boone's past struggles with quicker D-linemen. That match-up might determine the game, actually.
I'm not one that thinks Pryor is God, or that his feet will save us always, but I'm not so worried about 1 D-lineman getting pressure with Pryor in there. I mean if 3 or 4 guys are in the backfield every snap, then yeah that's a problem. I'm not saying he's the same as Vick or at this point Vince Young, but when things broke down, that's when those guys were at their best. Get Pryor on the move some. He'll get his yards on the ground, but it's the buying time and being on the move that often leads to huge plays down field.
I'm very interested to see if one of the young receivers or Small, you know the receivers with some good speed, actually have a break out game in this bowl. It seems like, except for the last 2 years, there's always been a player have a break out game in a bowl. Or like Gamble against K-State, you look and say damn, we're going to miss that guy. That could be Beanie. At any rate, I'm not so worried about the O-Line getting destroyed. I just don't think it'll happen.
Will Orakpo line up across Boone though? Aaron Maybin mostly played across from Browning and well you know how that turned out.
To me this game is more on Boone to prove himself more than any other senior. Animal has played big, so has Malcolm Thorpe. But, Boone to me should have taken a way bigger leadership role than he did in his career. Especially with the expectations of him coming in.
What about our D? If we sit back in zone and wait around, McCoy will surely shred us to pieces. It will be on them to get turnovers by forcing McCoy into mistakes.
With all the coordinators getting jobs around the country, why isn't anyone beating down the door for Heacock and Bollman?? Oh yeah, its because they SUCK!!!