SS RichRod, Under Duress
Huh?So distracted with the offensive shortcomings of our favorite team, it’s easy to forget about just how awful of a sesaon Rich Rodriguez is churning out in Ann Arbor.
Saturday’s loss, to Purdue on quite possibly Tiller’s last trick (or as Poe put it: Tiller selling snake oil to the Michigan secondary) was their 5th in a row and Michigan’s seventh of the season.
Gone with that one trick play were Michigan’s national-best streaks of 40 winning seasons and 33 bowl appearances. The seven losses already tie the 1962 and 1934 teams for most in a season and the Wolverines must go to Minnesota this weekend, catch Northwestern at home next week and finish in Columbus to end the season. Not once in the proud 128-year history of Michigan football has a team suffered eight defeats in a single season and Team Rod 1.0 has a really good shot of getting to nine.
Had they not pulled a miracle out against Wisconsin, this could easily be a one-win team, with that lone victory a three-point win over a 2-6 Miami. But they did. So two wins it is.
Wolverine fan anger is directed at defensive coordinator Scott Schafer:
“The defense switched to a 3-3-5 stack for this game and that only made things worse. It’s pretty clear that Scott Shafer has lost control of Michigan’s defense based on the switch to a 3-3-5 alone.”
Giving up 48 to Purdue — and 25 or more to every non-MAC opponent — seems to indicate that MSC has a point, but the problems on this team go straight to the top. From telling recruits about his resignation ahead of his team, to shredding documents and lawsuits. Whether it be players transferring to rivals and decrying the lack of "family values" to the steady stream of de-commits in his first full recruiting class, Rich Rodriguez has been a disaster of Weis-ian proportions.
Though some of the faithful can already see this, others aren’t quite willing to go that far just yet. Somehow a team that went 11-2 and 9-4 (banged-up) the previous two seasons had left the cupboards bare… or it’s his pattern of having rough first seasons before bouncing back with a strong year two… or his system takes 745 days to learn. Whatever. Great coaches do not flop this bad their first season on the job. Consider the following table:
First Season on the Job
| Coach | Year | School | Record | Previous | Win +/- |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Woody Hayes | 1951 | Ohio State | 4-3-2 | 6-3, Wes Fesler | -2 |
| Bear Bryant | 1958 | Alabama | 5-4-1 | 2-7, Jennings B. Whitworth | +3 |
| Joe Paterno | 1966 | Penn State | 5-5 | 5-5, Rip Engle | 0 |
| Gene Stallings | 1990 | Alabama | 7-5 | 10-2, Bill Curry | -3 |
| Mack Brown | 1998 | Texas | 9-3 | 4-7, John Mackovic | +5 |
| Bob Stoops | 1999 | Oklahoma | 7-5 | 5-6, John Blake | +2 |
| Pete Carroll | 2001 | USC | 6-6 | 5-7, Paul Hackett | +1 |
| Jim Tressel | 2001 | Ohio State | 7-5 | 8-4, John Cooper | -1 |
| Les Miles | 2005 | LSU | 11-2 | 9-3, Nick Saban | +2 |
| Urban Meyer | 2005 | Florida | 9-3 | 7-5, Ron Zook | +2 |
| Mark Dantonio | 2007 | Michigan State | 7-6 | 4-8, John L. Smith | +3 |
| Nick Saban | 2007 | Alabama | 7-6 | 6-7, Mike Shula | +1 |
| Rich Rodriguez | 2008 | Michigan | 2-7 | 9-4, Lloyd Carr | -7 |
Granted, there are many factors that contribute to the success of a coach in his first season on the job, but every single one of the coaches in the above table finished .500 or better year one. And a good number of them actually improved upon the win total of their predecessor. Rich, not so much. Best case scenario, he wins two of his last three and finishes -5. More realistic case: he wins one of his last three and is still looking at -6.
Early odds he doesn’t make it through is first contract?
As the cliche goes, “the grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence”. That is so true outside of the sports arena, too.
Cooper was -2, I believe, with a bunch of slow white guys.
I doubt RichRod is going anywhere. They’ll give him a chance to play his recruits.
I think if anyone’s on the chopping block it’s going to be Shafer. He’s an easy scapegoat, and how do you give up that many points to Purdue?
My “Michigan Sucks” poster has never been more appropriate than it has been this year. My only concern is that our Bucks dont overlook them because they suck so bad. Ugh, forget I even typed that actually….beating Meeeeeeeeeeechigan is enough to make this season worthy of rememberance(sp?)
I hope Tressel puts the cleats to the throat, if you will, and doesn’t play Tresselball against them. Who cares if they are down, put up as many as we can, and do it for Woodrow.
Rodriguez was 3-8 his first year in Morgantown.
Four years later, he was throttling SEC champ Georgia in a de-facto home game in Atlanta.
Michigan and OSU are two programs heading in opposite directions if Bollman and Heacock remain on our staff. RRod WILL turn Michigan around. You don’t pair a great coach with a great program and get bupkis. Don’t forget that RR runs the exact type of offense that gives us fits. Once that team gets an offensive line and reasonably good safety and linebacker play, it will be unstoppable.
Oh, and did I mention our golden boy is 0-2 against SEC champions?
Btw, Michigan is also starting one returning starter, three walk-ons and a freshman on the offensive line right now. Their back-up right guard was a defensive tackle at the beginning of the season.
It’s funny, as bad as their offensive line is, it’d take some convincing for me to believe they’re really THAT much worse than our own.
Pogue-
Meeeeechigan optimism will not be tolerated here. LOL You have been warned…..
Can’t wait for Beanie to absolutey shred that stupid 3-3-5 defense.
I think they give RichRod 3 years to right the ship (including this year). He isn’t a Michigan man in their eyes and he won’t get the benefit of the doubt that Les Miles or any other guy of that mold would have received. There’s definitely a good heaping of elitism that goes on up in Ann Arbor and a Hispanic guy hailing from the mountains of West Virginia ain’t exactly Michigan’s cup of tea. They’ll get too embarrassed soon enough and boot his ass.
I think Michigan will revert back to the 4-3 to stop a run-based team.
And yes, I know it’s fun to knock Michigan, being an Ohio State fan, but people need to step back and be realistic. It’s going to take some time in Ann Arbor, but they’ll be back, and when they are, we better hope Ohio State has hired a defensive coordinator who knows how to defend the spread-option.
poguemahone, we’ve been hard on Ohio State and the coaches this year, but you are taking things to another level.
I pointed out in the post that Rodriguez typically suffers disastrous first seasons before turning things around in year two, but the point I was trying to make is that good coaches come in around .500 their first season regardless of circumstances.
Pete Carroll would not go .500 with that offensive line. Long graduated, Boren transferred, two guards quit football, and Schilling actually stuck around. Schilling was the worst OL on the team least year, and he’s the best one this year. That’s a problem.
I’ll be on the same bandwagon you are if the team hasn’t improved at all next year. The line will have a year of seasoning (assbeating, but still experience) and competent back-ups after their huge OL class finally settles in. But right now, given the attrition on the offensive line and the fact that the skill position guys are either former career back-ups or freshmen, I’m willing to give Rodriguez a chance.
Also, I don’t think I’m being too hard on the coaches, any harder than anyone here has been at least. Both need to pack it up right now or we’re going to be in the same position Tennessee and Florida State find themselves in right now: consistent mediocrity. The descent has already begun.
Of course, who is to blame for the fact that they lost Boren and two other guards, or that their qualified quarterback transferred? It had to have been well known that Carr was likely to retire that year among the players.
Perhaps acting like a jackass to your players and planning to replace your entirely competent drop back passer the moment you recruit a freshman who can run “your” one trick offense isn’t the best way to try to run a program.
poguemahone, your argument would hold more weight if they hadn’t put up 40+ on Purdue over the weekend. Remember, the defense was supposed to be the side of the ball they leaned on this season.
Oh, and everything Mike just said.
Boren and the guards couldn’t hack it in the conditioning program. Can you blame them? Mike Gittleson, the former S+C coach, once told his OL to eat an entire pizza to prepare for a game. I shit you not. They were not ready for a program that asked them to do a lot of work. Both guards claimed to have lost interest in football, and Boren, well - I don’t think it’s a good sign for OSU’s S+C program. if a kid who couldn’t hack it in Barwis’ top of the line program transferred here for a respite. There is no evidence to suggest that aside from Boren’s “family values” BS that Rodriguez had much of anything to do with “forcing” anyone out.
And why would Rodriguez want to run a totally different offense from the one that brought him success in the past? Why would he, who most will agree is an offensive guru, want to re-learn an offense so it fits Michigan, when that old offense was consistently one of the worst in the country anyway?
As far as a “one-trick offense”, that offense gashed our supposedly great defense last year to the tune of 28 points. At home. And it wasn’t even that offense, it was that offense’s retarded little brother coached by the Zooker, of all people.
Yes, the defense was expected to better. So was ours. The fact is that their linebackers are bad, and their safeties are awful. The defensive line is a killer and the corners are above average. If you believe it’s a scheme issue, I recommend you go over to MGoBlog and read some of Gsimmons’ diaries on the subject. It’s a personnel issue for the most part - Michigan has had attrition at the LB position due to various reasons (and bad recruiting under Carr) and the safety play is an issue that has bled over from the Carr regime.
Jesus, you guys are making me defend Michigan. I’m going to go take shower. But stop making dumb blanket statements about teams whose inner workings you clearly don’t understand or care to understand.
Rodriguez will get a good three seasons, and probably four, before feeling the heat necessary to get him out the door. m*ch*g*n will not spend that kind of money, and go through a totally unnecessary court case, for nothing. They’re invested in this guy.
Now, what might well happen, is Rodriguez shows some improvement next year (7-5 or even 8-4), and jumps ship for another job. I doubt that would occur, but it could happen. The man has a track record.
That said, the decision to flip defenses with three games to go in the season is a bit befuddling. Wow.
The Zooker’s offensive gimmick didn’t do that, it was a first-round draft pick running back and a soon to be first/second-round draft pick quarterback that gashed us to the tune of 21 points, with an extra 7 points thrown in from a referee with a gambling problems on a blown call.
Jason is right, you’ve been sky-is-falling this entire season, ready to pounce at the first sign of trouble. There’s 119 college football teams in our division, and maybe 2 or 3 will go undefeated in any given year. You accept nothing less than Ohio State being among that 2 or 3 year in and year out. That’s just a really unpleasant way to enjoy college football, if enjoy is the right word.
Why would Rodriguez leave Michigan? What other job pays better, has better facilities, and can recruit better? Maybe USC? He’d have to go through the exact same transition he’s going through now. Michigan is his destination job. Get used to it. If he does well, he’s staying.
Juice Williams is NOT a first round or second round quarterback. That was the funniest thing I’ve read all day.
Also, what makes you think Ohio State would have stopped Illinois at any point had Daniel Dufrene’s fumble been ruled correctly?
It’s clear you, at least, have not read much of what I’ve been saying. I’m not asking for undefeated seasons year in and year out. Really, I’m not asking for anything. This program doesn’t owe me jack shit, and it doesn’t owe you a damn thing either. What I want is a competent offense and defense, ones that don’t wilt when they play good teams. Bollman and Heacock over neither. Tressel, and his nepotism, and apparently his arrogance, are killing this program if he does not a) fire those two yesterday, and b) relenquish playcalling yesterday.
You may or may not have noticed the offense is in the doldrums and the defense has trouble stopping anyone when it matters. That’s either on the coordinators or the HC.
over = offer
Michigan coach or not, does he not just portray your definition of a bitter, a-hole, control freak head coach? I cant decide who I hate more him or Nick Saban. Not to be a homer but you would never see so many decommits from a Jim Tressel recruiting class. After he goes sub 500 next year I hope Michigan doesn’t buy out his contract and look in-state for their next head coach…
“Why would Rodriguez leave Michigan? What other job pays better, has better facilities, and can recruit better? Maybe USC? He’d have to go through the exact same transition he’s going through now. Michigan is his destination job. Get used to it. If he does well, he’s staying.”
I agree. If he does well, he’s staying.
BUT… if this were year three, and he was coasting along at 7-5 or 8-4, and hadn’t yet had success against Ohio State, I could see him jump ship for a program like Clemson, or even an old, traditional school in need of rebuilding, like Washington.
I’m not sure how m*ch*g*n was/is his “destination job.” Let’s see what years two and three bring.
Since we are in agreement that Michigan sucks, then we should be able to beat them 42-0 right??
I just don’t understand why people stand up for this guy and proclaim him such a great coach. He had a chance the last two years to possibly be in a the MNC game and lost to unranked South Florida and Pitt. He has one win in his career over a top 10 team (that Georgia win when the Dawgs were 10th) and his teams gave up at least 30 points in every bowl game they played. He is not even in the top 10 for best winning percentage amongst active coaches.
I saw his team play three times in person at WV and they constantly fumbled and made stupid mistakes.
I personally think he deserves what is happening up there and I don’t see it changing all of a sudden by next year. Just my opinion though.
Julio - we can’t defend the spread option, and we couldn’t run on Purdue’s defense, which might be worse than Michigan’s.
We SHOULD win. But I wouldn’t put it past either Heacock or Bollman to totally shit the bed either.
And we were given the chance to actually be in the championship game twice and got smacked around like a redheaded stepchild both times. Is Tress a bad coach? Don’t forget he also lost to unranked Illinois, and might do it again this year.
as much as rich rod pisses me off, he’s trying to totally revamp a football team that was as stuck in its’ ways as no other program in college football history. the philosophy of michigan football was essentially the same starting with Bo all the way through carr, and now rich rod is trying to change all of it
once he manages to actually field his own recruits who can work in his own system, michigan is going to be very tough. acting like rich rod is a failure of “weis-ian” proportions is insanely premature. and weis, despite being a loathsome toad, is probably doing a hell of a lot better than willingham would be at this point
Tressel has the NERVE to occasionally lose a game?!?!?!? THAT’S OUTRAGEOUS. Only 80% of his games victories? UNACCEPTABLE.
Take him out behind the toolshed and put JT out of his misery, Comrade Commissar Mahone.
Thanks, bup. Michigan under Carr, like Ohio State now, swore by the philosophy that offensive and defensive schemes aren’t that important, what matters is the phantom “execution”. Lloyd Carr lived and died by the belief that if you “out-execute” the other team, you win, no matter what. Sounds dead-on in theory.
Brian Cook called it the “throwing rock” approach. You throw rock because rock always wins. Why? Because fuck you, that’s why.
As Lloyd found out and as Tressel is slowly finding out, what seems undeniable in theory is not so in practice.
top tier coaches do not go 2-7 at michigan regardless of the circumstances.
what has this site become? a haven for a bunch of wolvereenie apologists?
Urban Meyer, Bob Stoops, Pete Carroll, Mack Brown, Mark Richt, Les Miles, and Nick Saban would all have 80% or better winning percentage in the awful Big Ten too. Rich Rodriguez probably will too.
Add Mark Mangino, Mike Leach, and a host of others to that discussion, if they are given this particular program.
Again, Matt, you need a reading comprehension class. The last thing I want is for Tressel to be fired. But if he’s too arrogant to give up playcalling or to fire his awful hires at both coordinator positions, we need to start thinking about it if this program continues down this path of losing every game against a team with a pulse.
Paul Brown you cannot speak on this subject, you abandoned the Buckeyes after WWII and took Lou Groza with you to the Browns. Traitorous.
I have no problem with the spread offense. I have a problem with the philosophy of “I’m going to take a program that has been reasonably dominant, if somewhat outdated, and burn it to the ground so I can build it how I want it.”
Watching the wolverines on the first couple games this year, they just looked lost and pathetic. I actually felt sorry for them. Michigan! It seems to me that it would be easier for the coach to adjust some of his gameplan than for the players to pick up an entirely new system that they aren’t suited for. Quite a few teams run a mix of spread and pro style offense - work with the players you have, and bring in your full personal offense once you’ve got a sophomore dual threat quarterback and some new line recruits who are ready to play.
Also, even if the previous conditioning was weak… they’re still linemen who were recruited by Michigan, a school which has a tradition of incredible linemen and can get high-rated recruits - Boren the “whiner” was one of those recruits. Must have been a really terrible program that produced Long and the offense that had two losses a couple years ago and went 9-4 with half its team injured last year.
You don’t get the wins they did, even in the weakened big ten, without doing something right. To me it is a failure of coaching to turn a transition to a more modern program into a complete rebuilding.
“work with the players you have”
The players they have are bad. Or young. Or walk-ons. Or a nefarious mix of the three.
You don’t get the wins they did, even in the weakened big ten, without doing something right.
What wins? Name one good team Michigan actually beat after 2003. Michigan is back then not all that different from us right now: They’d beat up on the conference’s cellar-dwellars, maybe play a close game or two to a lesser nonconference foe (Ohio for us, Ball State for them), and then get blasted once they play a team that isn’t a school for the Blind and Infirm.
Michigan was in its death throes under Carr. Winning seasons are easy when you schedule no one out of conference and play in the Big Ten. You’ve got seven or eight guaranteed victories on a twelve game schedule if you play four OOC cupcakes, Northwestern, Indiana, Michigan State, Minnesota, etc. This is how Lloyd Carr teams survived.
Michigan def. Florida, Capital One Bowl, 2008.
FACE.
Ooh boy, the fourth best team in the SEC last year. Daps.
Though really all that proves is that Michigan then > OSU last two years in terms of quality wins. Grr.
If you count that as a quality win. I need to learn to stop hitting enter.
What would we be saying of Tress if he had lost to Miami in ‘03???
Good point; and would we all be speaking German if Churchill hadn’t won the Prime Minister’s seat away from Chamberlain? Counterfactuals are fun!
Chamberlain resigned. Churchill was asked by the king to become Prime Minister.
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I don’t understand how Michigan lineman weren’t in shape enough. What about Jake Long, Steve Hutchinson, Jon Jansen, Jeff Backus, Jon Runyan, Maurice Williams, Tony Pape, Dan Dierdorf. All of those guys have or are having great NFL careers. Michigan has always churned out top talent for the NFL. I don’t understand why all of a sudden their system wasn’t good enough. What great NFL players has RR produced? Tradition means a lot to people and here in Toledo, where a lot of Michigan fans live, they are upset. Remember John Cooper wasn’t an Ohio guy and he was never excepted. All the Michigan fans I know wanted a guy who understands the tradition. Sorry RR but there is a big difference between WVU and UofM.
You say resigned as if he had a choice. Chamberlain didn’t resign because he got bored with government and wanted to go on a Joe Tiller style fishing trip, he resigned because he was an appeaser and had lost the confidence of the entire country. Lost the confidence. And Churchill had won it, and with it the prime minister’s seat.
Pogue: All I can say is that you are more cranky than usual today and YOU might try comprehending what you are reading. Mike’s point is that Michigan was doing something right to win as much as they did; you don’t need to burn the program down.
His point made sense; your response did not. You basically said that Michigan had no quality wins. They beat four cupcakes and four from the bottom of the awful Big Ten.
Indeed, you actually make Mike’s point. Whatever Michigan was doing, was good enough to beat cupcakes and the bottom of the Big Ten. Now, Michigan can’t even do that.
Further, Mike’s point was that RR could have worked with the players he had. Your response: all the players are bad. Again, I think you misread Mike. I read Mike to mean the players that Michigan had on, say, January 2, 2008. Before some go pro, before the OLine completely bails out, before Mallet (sp?) says adieu… from what I read, RR didn’t try all that hard to keep Mallet and think how that would have changed things this year. RR was focused on LiC (Pryor), not keeping Mallet.
Anyway, Mike has a point. At this point, it is NOT clear that RR will succeed at Michigan or in the Big Ten. Any average coach should win 7-8 at Michigan; to only win 2 or 3 or 4 is just bad coaching; coaching INCLUDES player coddling — yes, sometimes you just do it — and development, not just the in-game stuff and the schemes.
And, if there is a counter example out there, someone give it to us. Who is a great coach that had a 2-3 win first season somewhere and then went on to great success? (And let’s rule out coaches that start out with a 2 win team; so Jude Jones is not the counter-example — here RR started with a 9-4 team).
Oh, and let’s actually consider those coaches that start off with a bad team and then have success. We have a recent example at Illinois. (Although, does one year = great success… up for debate .. and how will it go from here?). But the Zook examples must be added to the discussion. Going from 9-4 to 2 or 3 wins? Sounds like bad coaching to me.
But, if I had to guess, I’d say RR WILL succeed in 2-3 years and I would agree with Pogue that tOSU better start getting prepared to defend against one of those high-powered, high-output teams like we’ve been seeing in the SEC and B12.
Brian Cook has it right. Right now rock is winning, wait til RR gets paper tho. How does paper beat rock anyway?! Rock does always win! Fuck you!
look, guys, i hate michigan as much as anyone, but rich rod was walking into a hornet’s nest of nepotism and favorites and a stone cold logic of football that hadn’t changed in nearly 40 years. the program was in disarray before he got there, did anyone really think this year would be any better with all new people?
rich rod is an asshole, but unfortunately he is also a good coach who will more likely than not turn michigan’s shit around. even as bad as they’ve looked this year, anyone watching their games who knows anything about football can see at the very least flashes of what michigan might eventually become, and anyone who thinks a school with the reach and resources that michigan has will stay down for long is an idiot.
luckily for us we can use the next few years as a learning opportunity while michigan rebuilds their program.
poguemahone are you an idiot. I agreed with every statement you made until you made the one about the OOC schedule for michigan being weak. One of Michigans biggest traditions is playing a tough out of conference schedule. look back on the last decade of michigans OOC compared to ohio states. yes you schedule a usc once every few years but the rest of the teams osu plays are chumps. If OSU scheduled a half way decent OOC opponent last year they wouldnt have had a shot at the NC game, while last year UM faced APP state (yes a div. 1AA team, but one with three straight national championships) oregon, and a once good notre dame team. Youngstown state, ou etc. is a weak OOC. I mean youngstown state has never been good, and OU has only ever been decent in the MAC. At least the MAC schools on UM schedule had winning programs back when the games were scheduled
Why didn’t you list that bum, Cooper? he was 3-8-1 in his first year. This is 1988 for Michigan and I’m enjoying it.
4-6-1, but whatever. we turned it around after that fairly well, and there’s no reason at all to expect michigan won’t be able to do the same
I’m guessing SEC went to neither Florida or Vandy. If he attended any school after he got his GED, it was probably Auburn.
Michigan’s OOC schedule last five years:
Notre Dame five times
Oregon twice
App St.
Eastern twice
Vandy
Toledo
Miami (OH) twice
Central twice
Utah
Ball State
Northern Illinois
San Diego State
Houston
Michigan has played one tough team (Oregon), while Ohio State has played Texas, USC, and Miami, Virginia Tech, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Cal are all coming up the next few years.
Now don’t you have a little kid to rape? A sister to fuck? Nascar to watch?
Also, if you want to talk about when teams where scheduled, we scheduled the Washington game when they were fresh off a Rose Bowl appearance. If we dig even deeper you’ll find we scheduled Bowling Green when Urban Meyer was there too.
Matt - you and I both know that’s not what you meant. You mistakenly assumed Churchill “won” the seat in an election, which isn’t the case at all. Nice use of wikipedia though to cover your ignorance.
Indeed, you actually make Mike’s point. Whatever Michigan was doing, was good enough to beat cupcakes and the bottom of the Big Ten. Now, Michigan can’t even do that.
Michigan was doing that with Braylon Edwards, Chad Henne, Mario Manningham, Mike Hart, and Jake Long. Guys who are now officially legends at Michigan. There simply isn’t enough talent on the team (left over from Carr’s recruiting, mind you) to actually do what teams with those guys on it once did. Keep in mind there is a dearth of leadership after those guys left. Everyone is either young, not fit for the system, or a walk-on.
Further, Mike’s point was that RR could have worked with the players he had. Your response: all the players are bad. Again, I think you misread Mike. I read Mike to mean the players that Michigan had on, say, January 2, 2008. Before some go pro, before the OLine completely bails out, before Mallet (sp?) says adieu… from what I read, RR didn’t try all that hard to keep Mallet and think how that would have changed things this year. RR was focused on LiC (Pryor), not keeping Mallet.
That is an insanely stupid misreading of what Mike was trying to say, then. We aren’t talking about Michigan on January 2nd, 2008. Mike Hart is gone, as are the top two receivers, four offensive linemen, the quarterback, a defensive back and a few other random seniors. How can you blame him for Henne, Hart and Long graduating and Arrington and Manningham wanting to make money? Those guys were gone no matter who came in to coach. The offensive linemen, are again, not really RichRod’s fault. It’s clear that Justin Boren is lazy and we probably don’t want him to start for us down here if he lacks the work ethic and dedication to stick with the team he choose. The other two offensive linemen who quit simply lost interest in football, and claimed the decision was made before the Rodriguez hire.
And no, he had no reason to keep Mallet. Mallet was a leadfoot, and also intensely disliked by many members of the team ofr his attitude. Why would Rich Rodriguez want to learn a new offensive system, one entirely different from the one that had been working for him before, to appease one player? Are you seriously saying he should have done this, dooming his offensive system and keeping Michigan essentially where it was?
And, if there is a counter example out there, someone give it to us. Who is a great coach that had a 2-3 win first season somewhere and then went on to great success?
John Cooper. Are you twelve?
Of course that’s what I meant…man, you must really take me for an idiot, like some moron that couldn’t go to a real college and instead went to a service academy or something like that, that’s really harsh broseph
I don’t think anyone here that I’ve argued with is genuinely dumb. Just horribly misinformed or ignorant.
hahahah yeah i know i’m just pushing your buttons, i just like arguing with you to see you get worked up, you’re like a regular McRage out there on the campaign trail, keep up the flame wars
So you’re knocking me for being like John McCain? I don’t want to politicize this, but I’ll say, that’s a first.
It’s just painfully obvious that people’s hatred of Michigan and/or dislike of Rodriguez are making them shortsighted, ignorant, and hasty. I reiterate: I’m with you guys if there isn’t the slightest turnaround next year. Maybe not a bowl season, but at least 5-7 and playing people close. If not, I recant all that I’ve said. But I’m more confident in Rich Rod winning a title in the next five years than I am JT, provided that JT stays on his current course.
Ah-ha, finally, the ultimate source of today’s exceptional pogue-crankiness pinpointed: the seemingly insurmountable 7 point lead in the polls has rankled him all day long, and he has taken out his anger on the 11W commenters. Don’t stress it man, there’s likely to be another election in 4 years, and we’ll probably have at least 7 more college football national titles by then, so no worries
I voted for Barack Obama, fucktard.
LANGUAGE, YOUNG LADY.
I’m measuring the drapes for the oval office as we speak.
Don’t you have a bowl to smoke or something?
No but I do want another beer, how much longer do you think we need to keep this up before Jason et al. ban us from 11W comment board for the season?
We haven’t done anything bannable to the best of my knowledge. I humbly request you don’t post links to all your furry porn.
What, and increase the traffic to the furry porn sites, thereby risking overload of the furry porn sites’ servers, and potentially endangering my ability to access said furry porn at a later, yet-to-be-determined time this evening? Fat chance, I’m keeping that stuff for my eyes only.
and finally pogue comes up from RR’s lap for air…..
And to think I was on a bucks website…..
Pogamafuckhole you are a true ignorant ass hole. Lets look back on that schedule you put up for the weak OOC opponents for michigan. Notre Dame was ranked four out of the five times UM played them. App. St. (wow huge upset i know but thay still won three straight div. 1aa titles). Oregon would’ve been in the NC game instead of OSU last year if they didn’t lose dennis dixon and at least would’ve finished in the top ten. They were top 25 the year before. Northern Illinois finished in the top 25 the year they played them. Central michigan was coming off a MAC championship. Utah is undefeated right now. We all know what type of a program Ball State has. Toledo had a superb program when the games were scheduled. Please tell me when Youngstown State was ever good. But yet you’ll continue to play them. You fall back on USC and Texas. Texas was good when they had vince young. the next year they had a freshman quarterback and backfield. Not really a quality win in my books. If you would’ve played USC last year you all wouldn’t have had a shot at the NC. OSU got that chance by default last year cause of their terrible OOC schedule. You might want to think about scheduling some more OU’s and Youngstown states so you have a shot at the NC in the future cause we all know you can’t beat a quality opponent. When was OSU’s last quality win? Two years ago when they beat Michigan? But wait you already stated MIchigan sucked so that wasn’t one. At least Michigan beat us last year in a bowl game but hey keep trying. Can’t wait to watch you all get slaughtered again by USC if and only if you can squeeze by NW and then Illinois.
For your sake pogamafuckhole I hope you all at least score a touchdown this week. Hahaha Pryor the savior and Beanie the punisher in the backfield. Frickin unstoppable. You all are better off with Boeckman. Hell i’d take Tebow out there by himself rather than your pathetic offense.
pogamafuckhole. Truly brilliant. I couldn’t at least get a “poguemahbone” out of you?
Please, continue to broadcast the quality of non-Florida/Vandy SEC education for all to see.
Oh, never mind. I see you’re a Florida fan. Figures. I know for a fact you aren’t actually attending and are firmly in the jorts/mullet/wifebeater section of that fanbase.
At least Michigan beat us last year in a bowl game but hey keep trying.
huh? that didn’t make sense internet tough guy.
I mean youngstown state has never been good,
also, get your head out of your ass. at least google YSU’s history before you say something dumb that undermines what you are saying.
Nobody, but nobody, gets in a flame war with Pogue, but me. Go fuck yourself SEC and Anon.
You are so clever pogamafuckmysisterinhergapingohiovalley. Haha ohio rednecks trying to act sophisticated. You suck nascar sucks and your sister sucks hmmm i would say my dick but probably yours. You can come stay with me in a couple years once columbus’ job markets fail just like the rest of your hickville cities in ohio. keep up the good posting tho. I’m just wating for a yo momma is fat joke. Or you fuck yo momma joke, but wait you already said that. Real clever. Another OSU grad coming up with something brilliant. Mullets wifebeating haha please. We dont have time for that in Florida. There are to many beautiful days and women for me to worry about that. HAHA heres something for ya in regards to the mullets:
http://www.columbuswired.net/columns/sirk/MulletHunting_091402.htm
Anon is on our side, Matt. He just doesn’t quote people very well.
And as far as flame wars: your mother was a hamster.
Yeah i wasn’t sure where Anon was going with that, I just erred on the side of anger
Are you seriously getting into a distance pissing contest with me over whose fanbase is more or less redneck? And you’re using Ohioans as examples rather than, I dunno, alumni or people actually at the games?
How’s Dale Earnhardt doing this year? Oh, that’s right, he’s dead. Can’t you go mourn him or something, or name one of your inbred babies Dale and stop wasting our time?
Anon, internet tough guy? HAHAHA and who are you the Ghandi of the internet. Keep trying means keep trying to come up with clever come backs like your tough guy remark. Please me a tough guy im just a squirrly NASCAR fan that ony knows about two things: dale earnhardt junior and budweiser. Hey pogamyassholegetsrapedbyanyteamoutsideofohio im glad you found another guy to join your party. Must be another OSU grad cause he’s not even imaginative enough to come up with a name. Anonymous thats pathetic.
Don’t even bother responding to this plebe. I don’t think Jethro here even knows what a comma is.
this fight is getting out of hound!!
I’m so sick of you SEC fans accidentally stumbling across Buckeyes blogs. All of you are similar in two ways, you have the same hatred towards tOSU and you most likely found this site by accident while searching for god knows what on “the interweb”.
Listening to your ignorant rants on Rivals radio call-ins makes me wanna throw up in my lap while driving since all of you sound like you recently wandered away from the set of Deliverence.
SEC, we dont care what you think a quality win is in your books.
One more thing, PLEASE pick a team to represent, why do all of you idiots root for “The SEC”. I don’t tell other college football fans that I’m a Big Ten fanatic, I don’t drive my red pick-up truck through bumblefuck nowhere screaming “yeehaaaw Big Ten!”… All that really says is that you’re too dumb to even realize what teams are in that overrated conference.
Mullets and the SEC are out of hound, you’d be pissed if “God’s Conference” was no longer top of the food chain anymore too
Wow I dont even like NASCAR and your going to bring up someone who died for their sport. That just goes to show the class you all have at OSU. Yes disrespect the dead thats awesome.
awfully sensitive for someone who doesnt have a Dale shrine, dont you think?
Flip nailed it, lol
Yes. Awfully. Now stop giving him attention so he can crawl back into his playpen on Losers With Socks or something and cry out his woes.
I wonder how he found this blog, didn’t realize that this is the first link under the google search “SeC RuLz!!!”
To summarize this whole thing:
Michigan sucks, RR needs time to turn around the turd, the SEC is superior as a conference(?), SEC the poster has a mullet, does not own a shirt with sleeves, LOVES NASCAR, and prays to gawd that Dale comes back to exact his revenge…..in case you werent following Ya’ll
You missed the jorts, ‘Ski.
Oh yea, and Tebow of Nazareth is better by himself than the entire Buckeye team
Two words: JOE DIRT
Is that better BG buckeye. As far as Im concerned this is a public blog and I read all the top blogs out there including this one. Your fans are just so much more ridiculous in their homered comments that I have to respond. Deliverance took place in Georgia. What set did you wander away from? The set of Gummo? haha go watch the movie and then come talk to me about yee haw and redneck Deliverance bs. Make a legit comment. pogamaonlygoodcomebackisaboutgrammer I thought I shut your mouth? Your redneck wifebeating comment really backfired when I introduced the national mullet association at the Ohio State fair.
When does your circle jerk start? I can see it now. Pryor in the center. Encompassed by BG Buckeye, Pogamynameisfuckinggame, buckeyeski, and flip buckeye. First guy to jerk off his partner to the right gets to lick the semen off of Pryor. You all should start doing it and maybe you’ll get some luck. Hey maybe you all will score a otuchdown this week.
(Insert redneck comment about how i mispelled touchdown)
Aw. Somebody needs to go wash his ‘86 Mustang T-Top soon to take out his frustration, or little sister Bessie Lou probably isn’t going to make it through the night unmolested.
Your swamp people must be very proud of you since you’re the only person in your village who is not illiterate. Do you read aloud to all of your imbred residents to keep them updated on world events?
But on a serious note, please see a dentist.
Guys, I think the troll has had enough to eat…..let him get back to the molesting and gene sharing…….or imbreeding if you need to SEC it down
Last one to the circle jerk has to find out what happened to Danny Weurfle’s career………
gator you seem to know alot about circle jerks. your gay
LAWL MOAR LIEK GAYTOR
GATORS JORTS ARP ARP ARP
Do ya’ll think he callz hiz sizterrr his little ghateeer bayte?
I also do not understand how you think we are so ‘homered’. Since you say you read this blog, you should be aware that we are frustrated with the offensive production, especially the offensive line. Homered fans don’t have the ability to see through their own bias. Sorry if that doesn’t make sense… here, the general SEC fanbase might understand if I put it in these terms: “We always good, thems always suck”
Haha pogamajokesarethesameoverandoveragain. You haven’t made a legitimate comment in the last ten posts. You fuck your sister and molest your momma. Real clever. Redneck redneck SEC is illiterate. Swamp this gator bait that. Come on pogamafuckface I responded to one of your posts with legitimate information to dispute your “Michigan has a weak OOC schedule” and you haven’t said anything but jibberjabber redneck non-sense. You attack my punctuation and grammer in attempt to prove your superior intellect. Yet, you have not tried to dispute anything beyond the fact that we are rednecks with hot sisters. And BG buckeye you are soooo frickin brilliant. Let me guess you need to prove how smart you are since you probably graduated from a MAC school cause OSU wouldn’t let you in. Probably starting your career at some low-rate community college to earn some credits and get that GPA up. But, OSU still passed on you and you were stuck at BG. Don’t hate me. I’m not the president of OSU and I’m not your father. I didn’t pass down my “inbred hick” (a pogamajokesarelame comment) genes to you. I did that to my own son. HAHA PSU 13 OSU 6. Go suck on it.
What was the score of the Ole Miss game again? Not even worth posting
Are people still responding to this joke? Is it funnier if I keep posting comments that aren’t “legitimate” just to piss him off?
One thing’s for certain, we’ve hit his buttons: he clearly molests children, rapes his sister, watches Nascar, and owns an ‘86 T-top.
I know this is all assumed with him being a Gator fan, but I thought I’d recap just to make sure. I’ll lay off for a little bit, let him lick his wounds. Catch you on the flip side, you rolling ball of sex you.
haha youve posted more than I have pogamafuckmysisteronan86mustangttop. Ive gotten ten fold the responses to my posts than to yours. You all respond within seconds of me posting. I think ive gotten under your skin bud. If anyone needs to lick anything its you licking bg buckeyes salty ball sack. Rather fuck my sister than fuck a dude.
And I dont even have a sister so you can probably stop with those posts cause that means nothing to me. The fact is this: Michigan does play a tough OOC schedule. This year was a down year but they still have played as many undefeated opponents as OSU. SEC is a superior conference. You all haven’t scored a touchdown in god knows when. Pryor is overrated and will always be one dimensional. Your offense line sucks just as much as your offensive coordinator. Tressel doesn’t know how to play in a big game and plays for the punt. Does he know that if you happen to make it to the end-zone you get 6 points and kicking it through those yellow things is only worth 3? And if I were you all I would pray not to face USC again. It’ll be just another embarrassment, but the good news is it’ll be another day for you to sit at home all alone sucking down a bottle of jim beam cursing Tressel and wondering why your team is pathetic.
i got a nice pair of balls for you there gator fan…chomp chomp
Gatorfucker, you crack me up man. The education level that I am receiving is far greater than you are currently obtaining with your online GED. You’re definitely barking up the wrong tree with that one, I am a BG alum, and I am currently in school at a different university (no point of mentioning, since I have already lost you in this conversation). Oh and by the way, yes I did get into OSU too… So back to the topic here… Ole miss, seriously? Danny Wuerfel, seriously?
You want me to make a legitimate comment… I’m pretty sure a lot were made above and the general consensus seems to be that both OSU and scUM schedules are strong (it jsut really depends on your opinions/judgments about whose is better). And since your judgment smells like donkey balls, I’ll stick to mine.
As far as you wanting a legitimate comment, don’t you have better things to do, like tend to a gator farm or clean the outhouse. Or better yet, since you claim to be the only intelligent one in florida, you might want to read the local paper to your imbred swampdonkeys.