I said yes because no matter who is under center I expect the Buckeyes to be that good every year. I will admit that our chances do change a lot in this situation, but this is Ohio State, freshman or senior QB we expect to win, and that is part of the reason we do win.
"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War
77% no? So many negative Nancy's...
I was skeptical they would make it with Braxton, given the proclivities and histories of the playoff committee members.
The playoff committee has a history?
Braxton wasn't the only one chasing something.
I'll say yes being that despite the injury OSU still poseses the most talented team in the B1G. I felt that when KG came in at times the team as a whole played better because they had to push harder knowing the didn't have Miller's play making ability to lean on. We don't know what we really have in JT, but the offense is designed to get the ball out to the playmakers and let them do the rest. We may lose out on some highlights plays from the QB but may gain more sustained drives and still put up points.
Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.
I am absolutely stunned 27% actually think we have a chance. You guys have got to be realistic. I wear scarlet colored glasses as much as anyone, but we are losing, far and away our biggest offensive weapon. A Heisman trophy candidate. Someone who single handedly keeps plays alive with his scrambling. A QB who can run for 150 yards on any given Saturday if he wants to. We are left without a single QB who has taken a meaningful snap in his college football career, whether it be JT or Cardale. Although we have plethora of RB's, none of them are actually proven. Defenses are going to be putting at least 7 in the box (insert joke here), and daring JT/Cardale to throw the ball, making it that much more difficult for the RB's. The only proven commodity on our team at this time is our defensive line. Look, I'm not jumping from the roof, and still think we'll have a good season. But I will eat both of my shoes if we make the playoffs without Braxton the whole season. I'll even throw in the socks.
Not saying you shouldn't be skeptical, but talent wise we have the players despite the injury to Miller. Warriner is one of if not the best OL coach so I am not too worried considering they face the best DL in practice. We do have play makers on the edges along with good RBs and JT was highly rated recruit chosen by Herman. The biggest issue keeping OSU out of the playoff is not really the injury, its weather or not the D has improved by OSU standards. If it hasn't it does matter if Miller was fine or not. I guess I looked at this question wrong as could they win it? Yes, they have the talent to....It really depends on the D for me.
We won't need a QB to scramble for first downs cause now we will have a QB that can hit open receivers. I honestly feel like we will be just as good if not better with Barrett in there. And think about this, Miller will be back as a RB and the second half of the season we will have 2 QBs on the field at the same time. I think Urban has already planned a little for that scenario.
Of course you are correct! And it's not the other unproven parts of this team that is a concern it's the production at the QB position. You can't take a Heisman QB candidate off a team and say they will still be National Championship contenders.
I realize that most people desire to concentrate of the positives in life, but there are times when you need to deal with the realistic. Inexperienced young men are going to make errors and in close games those errors can and will translate into a losses. The Buckeyes will be involved with many close games this year.
First and goal at the five and Arch is getting the ball.
But I will eat both of my shoes if we make the playoffs without Braxton the whole season. I'll even throw in the socks.
Noted. After the season I'll be sure to check with you and how good your shoes and socks taste.
I truly hope you are able to, Shaggy.
I agree. Our season isn't completely derailed, but we were a top 5 team with him. Without him, we're more like a top 10. There's still a chance but I just don't see us being a top 4 team right now without him.
Does anyone know if BucksFan changed his icon?
If we make the playoffs without Braxton, I will mail you a pair of shoes/socks to enjoy myself. I'll even send drinks for you to wash them down. You can decide what pairs well with vintage air max's.
I am absolutely stunned 27% actually think we have a chance. You guys have got to be realistic.
Are you new here?
It's not negative to understand that only one B1G team will have a chance to be in the Playoffs this year. And so we would need to win the B1G, and likely win it without a loss. So I see this question as; Do we win at Sparty on November 8th? And I'm much less confident than I was just 12 hours ago. 11-1 isn't likely to get it done,and definitely won't if we don't make and win the B1G Championship.
Becuase the question says "WILL they" I said no. If the question said "could they" I would have said yes.
"If we worked half as hard as our band, we'd be champions." - Woody Hayes
Voted no. Just looking at the big picture...too many uncertainties on offense.
Although I'm going to tune in every damn Saturday in the hopes the Buckeyes prove me wrong.
I didn't vote. The first inclination is no based on information right now, but the reality is we have no idea how well we'll do without him. If we win the first few games without him but look shaky, then I'd lean no. If our QB play is good, then yeah, with all the weapons we have, it's possible.
This season was always going to come down to the following:
1) Will the O-line hold up with all its new players?
2) Can we replace the production of one of the best backs in OSU history?
3) Will one of the talented youngsters be able to replace the production of our leading receiver?
4) Will our new defensive scheme work?
5) even if it does, can we replace a starting corner and both starting safeties?
6) Will we have a good kicker?
That is a lot of questions. I'm not sure we were much of a lock to make the playoffs WITH Braxton. That said, adding one more question (Will our QB be able to do the job?) doesn't help.
ALL OF THAT SAID, I think we still can make the playoffs, and I don't think the chances are actually that much worse than they were before. You answer for me the offensive line and defensive scheme questions and I'll tell you if we make the playoffs, Brax or no Brax. This season will hinge on those two things.
This will depend entirely on our defense. If Ash is able to turn the pass D around and bring back the Bullets of yore, then I think we can grind our way to a berth on a run-first ball-control offense, assuming we can beat MSU. Remember, we went 12-0 with a second-year Braxton Miller in his first year of Urban Meyer's offense. If the defense can't deliver on their promise, we'll probably be 2nd, maybe 3rd in the conference...
"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone." --Woody Hayes
I said it in the Skully, there is certainly a chance it could be done. The beauty of what Meyer and Herman have built offensively is that it's relatively simple and it is run-oriented and is very friendly to young QBs (look at what Braxton did his first season in the offense).
We need only to look at what Auburn did last year with Nick Marshall (or alternatively what Oregon has done with all of their QBs over the past 5 years). It's more than possible to win (especially with the rest of the talent on this team) without a singular superstar and we have the offense to do it.
I want to be optimistic, but we really need to see how the team plays minus Braxton before really knowing if we can make it to the playoffs or not. We still need to see the transformation of the D, how well the run game does minus Hyde, and how the offense flows with JT in there.
So much for fans trusting Urban.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
Your name becomes you this morning.
For OSU to qualify for the playoff they will need to go undefeated in the reg season and win the Big Ten Champ. There can be no mistakes and there is no room for error. Now you are asking a freshman QB with zero live game action to step in with 4/5 new starters on the OL, and losing your 1000yd RB in Hyde. The defense is going to have to return to the well known silver bullet defense in order to match the points we will lose due to Braxton's injury. This is showing the importance of quality depth at every position. You can call me a negative nancy or a pessimist but I think I'm being more realistic than anything. We are losing over 85% of our total offense from last year and that's not something that can be ignored.
Craig Krenzel is ashamed of all of you.
Craig Krenzel was a redshirt junior in 2002. He's also on record saying that they weren't supposed to peak until 2003.
I was more on the he was not a superstar stud who was in the talk for a Heisman. Just a regular QB and not on anyones radar for anything.
I really feel we will be a defensive monster this season. Terrell and Braxton were thrown to the wolves and after some growing pains each made their way. I'm thinking this team has more to prove now and as JT improves with experience we make a strong run for it.
Why would you honestly expect OSU to make the playoff this season? Last season Braxton was at full strength and Hyde (who should have been a Heisman finalist) was unstoppable and the team wouldn't have made the playoff. Without both, the chances are extremely unlikely.
If Chris Ash's defense is as advertised, and we had him last season, we could have won the national championship without Braxton or Hyde. The only difference this year is that we are reloading our offensive line, yet we have significantly more talent to work with at WR. I still expect OSU to win every game they play this year, just as I did last year, the year before, and even the year of Fickell. Am I a homer? Yes. Do I acknowledge that it probably won't happen, yes. But I think they can do it and I expect it to happen.
I have to echo that. There is no evidence that the defense is fixed, until they actually go out there and show it. Both sides of the ball have undergone a rebuild, and Braxton Miller was supposed to give all of those units time to work out the kinks.
Left tackle is an area of concern in Fall camp per Meyer's own words, and now they're going to throw a redshirt freshman behind a questionable left tackle? Barrett will be lucky to escape the season with only bruises.
Taylor Decker is a questionable left tackle? I'm 100% sure you're wrong and those were not Urban's words. Taylor was one of the better if not best lineman in the group LAST year with those 4 Senior starters, and those are ACTUALLY Warinner's own words.
"I've had smarter people around me all my life, but I haven't run into one yet that can outwork me. And if they can't outwork you, then smarts aren't going to do them much good." - Woody Hayes
I'm pretty sure I'm 100% right.
Read your post again Bucksfan. He's concerned about Left GUARD, not Tackle. So I'm sorry, but you're 100% wrong.
Fine, have it your way.
We're all wrong sometimes. I'm being stubborn, with this being my day off and I wake up to the news of Braxton, I'm kinda grumpy. Friends?
I'm a mess today.
Thank for giving me a good laugh on this crappy day, guys ;-)
There is nothing more remarkable as learning to think better.
Teams change year in and year out. Ohio State won't be the same on defense, who's to say Michigan State will be the same on defense losing all those key players. Jesus Christ I didn't know one guy determined if our team made the playoff or not. We supposedly have all these playmakers on offense that we've been begging Braxton to get the ball to, now we'll be begging JT to get the ball to them. Have faith. Didn't even come out and say Braxton is out the year yet. Could be out a month, 2 months or even a single damn day.
Does one person determine the team's success? No, but it's part of it. Does one scene determine if a movie will win Best Picture? If you take out the movie's best scene, it's chances of beating all the other good movies that year are a lot less now. Do the Heat win 2 championships in a row without Lebron James? Probably not.
Be realistic man. It's obviously still possible for Ohio State to be a top 4 team, but it's not as likely. Just as FSU probably wouldn't have been a top 4 team last year without Winston.
Florida State's backup last year, Coker, miiiight start at Bama this year. I think they would have been just fine. And taking your best guy out of a group of 5 in basketball is completely different than taking 1 out of 11. Yes QB is so important and I realize this. But what have we been calling for? Braxton to complete throws accurately to our playmakers and maybe every now and then gain 5-10 yards on a scramble in the play breaks down..... That's called BEING A QUARTERBACK. Braxton isn't the only one who can do so. Every single one of our QB's should be able to complete an accurate pass and scramble when need be. Yes he isn't as dynamic in the run game as Braxton but we don't need him to be. Just like this year we didn't need Braxton to be. Does this hurt if he's out for the year? Yes, but best believe he will be one of the best coaches JT could have throughout the year. Might be a blessing in disguise just like the whole offseason is seeming to look like. (All JT's reps with the 1's.)
Lots of "shoulds" and "mights" in people's reasonings today. You're clearly not going to waver, so I'll let you enjoy your day off fantasizing.
I'll let you continue worrying about something you have no control over. At the end of the day, the boys still have a game in 11 days. One guy goes down, the next has to step up. Just because it's Braxton doesn't make it any different. This is exactly where we were going to be if Braxton left. Stay positive.
"What if?", is here.
Injury, has been the Sword of Damocles hanging over this team, since Braxton Miller became its QB.
Your best player is also, your most injury-prone. It's hard to be confident, under those circumstances. Imagine how the team has truly felt, at times.
So, it is possible the team could rally and come together...and surprise. This could be its spark.
I love Braxton, but all we need is a guy that can throw and manage the game well back there taking the snaps. No one is as dynamic with the ball in his hands as Braxton is. That being said, we don't need dynamic from our QB, we just need consistent. I believe JT could be that by the Penn State game if Braxton were to be out for the year. And if JT can manage to win that game, I'd say they can make it to the playoffs and do well.
Get well soon BMills
Since the poll clearly asks "WILL", I answered no. It'll take an undefeated season to get in, and as much as I'd love to believe the offense would've been better this season vs. last (with Hyde), now we can't say that at all. It'll regress, even if just a tiny bit, but regression is regression.
I agree with your point about "will." The poll question - as phrased - answers itself, IMO.
WILL is what the team will need to get there: Now, more than ever. But, this is the kind of "setback" that can raise a team's game, making the improbable...a reality.
Maybe we can be a little more confident, actually. Attention will be focused on an offensive unit full of guys with something to prove, as opposed to one guy, with something to prove.
Sure, they have a shot. Maybe not as good as before if Braxton is out, but who knows. But The Chase continues no matter who is under center. Trust UFM. Trust the other men on the team. Trust the return of the Silver Bullets (who are probably more important anyway). #IBelieve
"Because I couldn't go for three!" - Wayne Woodrow Hayes
I don't think we can beat Michigan State as well coached as they are. If we loose that deep into the season with all the SEC love from certain media outlets, it dosen't look good
Every year there is a national champion, and every one of those teams did it without Braxton Miller.
Urb won two national championships with a fullback playing QB and he has a guy in camp like that....Cardale Jones.
"I don't like nice people. I like tough, honest people." -W.W. Hayes
rewatch all of the highlight videos that OSU has released from camp, each one of them has a highlight of Cardale getting picked off by freshman. Sure, it says something about the talent we have in the secondary, but as much of a 'fullback' tebow, he distributed the ball to his playmakers very effectively and was a smart QB with the ball in his hands, Cardale is not.
i know it seems dilusional, but even without Braxton Miller only one team on Ohio State's schedule is legitemately close in talent, and coaching. That is Michigan State. Barrett has 8 games to prepare. OSU will be just fine. Go Bucks!
I've spent time in the South, I don't care what anybody says they don't have the passion for football that us Ohioans have.
True, but you have to go to Sparty and then to Minnesota following week. And Minnesota is not a push over, either. Not selling out at all just saying the water is a bit murkier than before.
Maybe I'm not being rational, but Minnesota is till a "trap game" yes, but Ohio State should still win big. Urban Meyer / Tom Herman offenses are designed to cover flaws/inexperience by Qb's. OSU will be fine.
I want to be as optimistic as possible and I'm aware there we have talented and well coached athletes all over the field, my initial feeling as to being top four is:
I vote no. I think it *could* happen, but I think it's less likely.
We have question marks all over the offense. We have a ton of young talent, but Braxton was the only proven elite weapon.
Our defense is and will remain a giant question mark until we see whether Ash fixed it. We have the talent, but we have nothing we're building on from last year. Usually even great defensive coordinators take a year to turn the system into something really great.
With Braxton, we've just lost a big part of our safety net. Could we still beat MSU and run most of the rest of the table? Yeah. But it's all question marks across the board now.
man a lot of these comments sound like a man right after his girlfriend broke up with him.... have faith in the team and let it play out before you give up!!
I saw a stat last night that between Miller/Guiton/Hyde/Hall we have to replace 87% of the offense from last year. Do we have the talent to do that? Absolutely, but compound that with trying to put an entirely new offensive line together I presume this year may be rough.
"You're an angry football team, and I'm proud to be your coach." - UFM
I voted 'Yes' and not because I'm a rational being. I voted 'Yes' because no matter how much you run numbers and stack odds one way or another, we do not play robots who are error-free, and we cannot predict the future. From a probability standpoint, it's still 50/50 to make the playoffs, and that's enough for me.
"I don't apologize for anything. When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes
How is it 50/50 odds?
Sure, we have talent everywhere, but as people have pointed out, we basically had three areas where we were guaranteed this year's team would be elite, qb, d-line, and punter. Those were the true, proven commodities. Now we're down to two. This team is raw as hell, and it's a lot to expect them to end up as one of the top four teams in the country.
Regardless, It'll still be fun to watch all that unproven talent develop, and that's what you should enjoy about watching college sports anyway.
Voted No. Our D is great, we have plenty of playmakers, Im just not sold on JT, or Cardale as being capable QBs at this point. RS Freshman under center is bound to lead to some defeats. Ill have us pegged at 10-2, maybe 9-3, and obviously thats not enough to get into the playoff. Should still be a good season nonetheless.
For all we know, JT could develop into a better QB than Braxton.
This sucks, no two ways about that, but the cupboard is far from bare. I still wouldn't trade rosters with any other team in the B1G.
Also, any stud QB we face has to deal with the best D Line in the game. All is not lost.
Given this site crashes on big Buckeye news days (i.e.Tressel's firing, Meyer's hiring and Miller's season-ending injury) here's a fitting poll question:
WILL http://www.elevenwarriors.com CRASH WHEN THE NEXT BIG, BUCKEYE NEWS BREAKS?
I'm happy to see how many people said Yes, including me.
I said Braxton would be fine, clearly I could not foresee the future and was wrong...but I remain optimistic. We're not putting some scrub under center...the dude lacks experience badly but is a perfect style QB for Meyers offense.
We've got JT and a QB wearing #16. When we win every game this year by like 3 points, the parallels to 2002 will be complete. Let's do this.
Look at all of the Negative Neds and Negative Nellys! Maybe Urban Meyer and the Buckeyes should just quit the season?
Call me negative, but I'm trying to be realistic.
We're losing Braxton Miller, who people were pinning as a Heisman candidate just last week. We are replacing him with J.T. Barrett and Cardale Jones. I really liked Barrett out of high school, but he hasn't shown anything to me yet to prove just how good he really is here at the college level. It's just the Spring Game, but I seen a complete disaster of a passing offense. We are also getting 3 new starters on the offensive line. I do trust Warriner, but I don't know if we have the depth on the O-line if we were lose to a key member due to an injury.
Next, we had this "little" problem last year on the defensive side of the ball. Yes, we hired Ash. But, we have no tangible proof that we are suddenly becoming a "great" defense that some are proclaiming. I'd be satisfied with slightly above average after last year.
I think we could make the playoffs, but the question said "will we make the playoffs?" Seeing all of the question marks coming into this year, and realizing that we will probably have to go 12-0 to reach the playoffs, which can be somewhat difficult to do in college football, I voted no.
I voted no. It's not that I don't think that it's entirely possible for us to make the inaugural CFB playoff, because it is but I have adjusted my expectations to the reality of the situation. I just don't think it's going to happen and that's not to say that I won't be pulling like hell for a 15-0 National Championship winning team but I won't be pissed if we end up with a 10-3, or 11-2 Rose Bowl Championship winning team either. Go Bucks!
We have a pretty bad ass team.. My two cents. Honestly I still feel we have a chance with JT under center ( well 3 to 4 feet behind the center ). I bet we see a lot more screens then we we're suppose to see this season. I think Rod Smith becomes more of a factor with the injury to Braxton. If the d shows up every Saturday, then I honestly believe we're Gucci. My two cents.
Like the ball in the stands, we balls out
I would settle for a win in the opening game and then take them one at a time. QB is a vital position in the current offense and to expect to make the playoffs with a totally fresh QB is not reasonable. Nothing is impossible, I grant you that.
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