Choices Yes No Vote Comments Show All Comments TMac 17 Apr 2014, 6:53 am Can you even imagine Jim Tressel coaching with a weapon like Cameron Johnston ? ONE Not Done! +21 HS Furious George 27 17 Apr 2014, 7:22 am Keep in mind that would be Tressel coaching with Jim Bollman and Nick Sicilliano.... So that would mean underachieving OL play and little QB development outside of the starter. Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man. +1 HS Bucksfan 17 Apr 2014, 8:06 am Which somehow only translates into Big Ten championships and BCS wins. +13 HS Furious George 27 17 Apr 2014, 8:25 am Tressel also lost to Purdue and several bad teams from time to time, not saying he is a bad coach. Just a coach that didn't make staff changes when units were underperforming. Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man. osu07asu10 17 Apr 2014, 10:57 am Tressel also lost to Purdue and several bad teams from time to time, What is your definition of "several"...2005-10, Tress lost only to 2 unranked opponents, 1 of which played in a BCS game that same year. 2001: 3 losses to ranked opponents (#14 UCLA, #12 Illinois, #14 South Carolina) 2 to unranked (Wisky, PSU) 2002: 0 losses 2003: 2 losses to ranked opponents (#22 Wisky, #5 scUM) 2004: Arguably his worst year as a coach. 4 losses. 3 to unranked opponents NW, Iowa, Purdue) 2005: 2 losses to ranked opponents (#2 Texas, #18 PSU) 2006: 1 loss to ranked opponents (#2 Florida) 2007: 1 loss to unranked opponent (Illinois - Rose Bowl participant) and 1 loss to ranked opponent (#2 LSU) 2008: 3 losses to ranked opponents (#1 USC, #3 PSU, #3 Texas) 2009: 1 loss to ranked opponent (#3, USC) 1 loss to unranked opponent (Purdue) 2010: 1 loss to ranked opponent (#18 Wisky) CJDPHoS Board of Directors // Best friends with Homey Hache The 0 is silent. +7 HS Furious George 27 17 Apr 2014, 10:52 am I think you kind of answered your own question.... 7 losses to unranked opponents is pretty bad when you clearly have more talent than them, 4 of the ranked losses were blowout losses. I am not trying to undercut the great accomplishments he had. Merely pointing out he has some really bad losses. Meyer hasn't won pretty at times but I'll take that over a loss any day. After 2 losses Meyer has already changed the staff, after some games where OL play was abused Bollman still had a job when it was clear that 4 & 5* lineman were not living up to the hype. Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man. +3 HS osu07asu10 17 Apr 2014, 11:11 am From 2005-2010 Tressel only lost 2 games to unranked opponents, 1 of which played in a BCS game. 01-10 Tressel lost to an unranked opponent 8 times For comparisons sake, from 2005-2010 at UF, Meyer lost to an unranked opponent 5 times. From 01-10 Meyer lost to an unranked opponent 13 times. Now if you want to argue that Tressel had an OL coach who wasn't competent, well that is a different argument but your initial statement about losing to several unranked teams is really not true. CJDPHoS Board of Directors // Best friends with Homey Hache The 0 is silent. +6 HS Furious George 27 17 Apr 2014, 11:37 am And for comparison sake JT didn't inherit a complete dumpster fire that was BG, Utah and UF.... So yes I would expect some losses rebuilding a program or even starting one. Bear in mind Meyer also had to replace a DC and OC that left in the same year. The point of the poll is who would you rather have as coach. I value that Meyer recruits at a high level, is not afraid to make staff changes to be a better team and asks that his players give maximum effort. Believe it or not, Meyer inherited a bad OSU team that had very little leadership an undeveloped QB and a questionable OL and D. So to go 24-2 with so many unknowns is pretty impressive. Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man. +3 HS m4 17 Apr 2014, 6:11 pm Furious George, I agree with you. I would take Coach Meyer over Coach Tressel. Coach Meyer has not won a championship at OSU yet but he is only going into his 3rd year. Coach Meyer has not not made any coaching changes. The two coaches you are referring to left for other jobs. Furious George 27 17 Apr 2014, 1:12 pm I am not a firm believer that Withers took the JMU job just to be a head coach, I think the writting was on the wall and he was advised to take it. Also, the fact that the Defensive scheme has changed is another indication that staff changes have taken place with Ash having the lead role. Vrable only dealt with the DL which was fine, he didn't need to leave. But I think LJ is an upgrade on experience. Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man. m4 17 Apr 2014, 3:57 pm Furious George, you may recall coach Whiters started searching for a head coaching job at the end of the 2012 season after just one year at OSU. He was just so determined to become a head coach. I believe coach Meyer is similar to coach Tressel in that they are both loyal to their assistant coaches. I cannot say for sure, but I do not recall either of them firing a coach. Furious George 27 17 Apr 2014, 1:56 pm I am sure if Withers wanted to be a HC after 2012 he could have found a smaller school for 1/2 the pay then instead of waiting after 2013. Thats just my opinion as for firing coaches, if he came back and the D sucked you probably would have saw it. Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man. -1 HS m4 17 Apr 2014, 6:38 pm Furious George, Timing is everything for all you and I know maybe he was not not offered a job at the end of the 2012 season. He interviewed for the University of Southern Miss, but was not offered the job in 2012. You are speculating that he was forced out. Do you have any inside knowledge of this? He did search for a head coaching job after the 2012 season and that is a fact and not speculation. As far as the defense, coach Wthers was the co-defensive coordinator and coach Fickell was the defensive coordinator, and coach Fickell was also the play caller for the past two years because coach Meyer said so on numerous ocassions. Coach fickell is still on the staff along with coach Coombs which leads me to believe that coach Meyer does not fire coaches. What he does is probably take away some of their responsibilities that he gives them when he becomes dissatified with them. As for taking a pay cut, Coach Ash took a small pay cut and in theory a demotion by position to come to OSU, and he did not do it to get away from his head coach because he followed him from Wisconsin to Arkansas. Coach Withers took a pay cut in exchange for a promotion by position, and rumor has it that when not if JM becomes a division I program he will get a significant raise. Furious George 27 17 Apr 2014, 4:49 pm What is funny is that the common man show said the same thing that I said on my drive home and JMU is not moving up to D1. Just because he wasn't fired doesn't mean it wasn't said that he should take the next offer he gets. If the OSU D was worth anything while he was there he could have landed a respectable D1 job if his desire was to be a HC. Fickell is still around because it's clear that he was not calling the plays, it's evident that Ash is making the changes. Fickell has never preached press coverage in all his time and most point to the similarities of unc's defense to OSUs when Withers was at both. When you are a successful coach you get people out in the most respectful way possible because you never want to burn bridges Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man. -1 HS m4 18 Apr 2014, 7:22 pm Furious George, I suppose that the host on the common man is the one that makes that decision, who is the source that is telling him this? also coach fickell did call the defense in 2012 and 2013. Go to this site: www.nbc4i.com/.../fickell,-will-call-plays-on-defense-meyer-says and read it and if you are still are in denial then too bad. Oh, you mention above that "Just because he was not fired does not mean he was not told to take another job" You are correct; it does not mean he was not told to take another job. He could have been fired. I don't know and neither do you. I have pointed out some facts,but all you have done is speculate. m4 17 Apr 2014, 6:27 pm Furious George, also go to this site: www.championshipsubdivisionnews.com/.../jmu-releases-report-reviewin... and read the entire report and draw your own conclusion. it does not say when the change is going to happen but it is inevitable. If you want to continue to debate me on this matter or the above thread, I will return tomorrow. Furious George 27 18 Apr 2014, 9:53 am The only fact you posted was he took another job which is true.... Sorry but to think that taking a job for half pay at the time he did is not just a bit curious and that there may not have been more to it, is a bit naive on your part. Sure its speculation but most agree the writting was on the wall as the defense got worse over the 2 years. Pretty sure having the 112th rated pass D merits legit speculation on my part. As for the Common man show, not sure where they pulled their source, but they were pretty adamant that JMU was not making the move to D1 as it was orignally stated or at least at the time they originally planned and reiterrated the sentiments that the writting was only the wall. I am not going to say that the show is the #1 source of sports info and its largely entertainment. But they also seem to have more connections to the program that provide them more insight than most as well. The NBC link didn't open, but to say Fickell is making the calls may be correct.... But that also does not mean that Ash does not have overall say much like Meyer does when Herman makes offensive play calls. Again you can call this speculation on my part but its not uncommon for this to happen. I tend to believe that the people making the calls are the ones in the press box who have a complete overview of the offensive formation and I know Fickell was not in the Press box and if you are not seeing that the defense that was run at the spring game was not a complete duplicate of what Ash has ran through his tenure as a DC then I am not sure what to tell you. The changes have been visible and Fickell is a good recruiter, just because his title has not change does not mean that his role has not been diminished. Being a good coach is saying the right thing publicly and keeping changes in house. Keep in mind these are my opinions but there seems to be a lot of talk to support it. The media only reports on what is known, not what is said behind closed doors. Its why we still question who is still in charge. Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man. -1 HS m4 18 Apr 2014, 7:27 pm Furious George, You are missing the point. The subject was not who is calling the defense now; The subject was luke fickell calling the defense in 2012 and 2013 and he was the play caller during that time but you said he was not based on your assumptions and not facts. One question you should ask yourself is: coach Fickell was the play caller and he still has a job so why would coach Meyer forced coach Withers out and retain Fickell? logic should tell you that coach Fickell would have been fired if coach Meyer was going to fire anybody. I mentioned earlier that it appears that coach Meyer does not fire coaches he merely takes away some of their responsibilities when he becomes dissatified with them. I see you are finally admitting that coach Fickell was the playcaller which was part of my point; I never said coach Ash was not the play caller now because it just does not add up that he is not. Why would he agree to come to OSU and take a pay cut and be under coach Fickell? it just does not add up especially if he was the defensive play caller at Arkansas and Wisconsin. A former OSU defensive back field coach left OSU and became the head coach at Kent State and then became the head coach at Purdue. I believe coach Withers is taking a similar path. Again , it just does not add up that he was forced out because he was not the one calling the defense and he had previously tried to land a head coaching job after his first year at OSU. It is strange that you could not get the site to open referencing coach Meyer saying that luke Fickell will be the play caller. Did you type it in correctly? I have never had a problem with it. And also did go to the site I recommened you read in regarding JMU? I mentioned two facts to you, one being coach fickell was the player caller on defense in 2012 and 2013 and you said he was not ; I even gave you a source and two I mentioned JMU was going to become a D I program and I did not say when exactly when it was going to become a division I program. It is just a matter of time. You again speculated and said it was not. If you think the media only reports on what is known then you are very naive. It has had to back track many of its original reports reference that also. Oh, Jim Heacock was not in the press box when called the defense and Jim tressel called the offense and Jim Bollman was in the press box. You cannot go by who is in the press box and who is not. Oh, I missed typed the site regarding coach Meyer saying luke Fickell will call the plays in 2012 and 2013. It is nbc. I typed ncb, but it still proves my point. Bucksfan 17 Apr 2014, 1:19 pm Oh I agree. I'm just as befuddled as the next Buckeye fan. Hockey Buck 21 Apr 2014, 3:00 pm Tressel almost never lost to teams they should beat. The Purdue game ended something like an 80+ game winning streak against non ranked teams. He, and OSU were taken to task for going 12-1 or 11-2 every year, but getting blown out in their match ups against the elite top 5 programs, LSU, USC and nameless. +1 HS buckguyfan1 17 Apr 2014, 7:19 am Is Fickell the follow up question DJ? +1 HS Hovenaut Mod 17 Apr 2014, 10:13 am http://days.to/7-september/2015 Rock on. +3 HS buckguyfan1 17 Apr 2014, 2:50 pm I know Hove, but I had just witnessed my dog bring back up his morning nuggets and wasn't thinking right when I typed that. +1 HS FROMTHE18 17 Apr 2014, 7:40 am I vote for Urban Tressel or Jim Meyer….Tress was an amazing coach and Im very grateful for the awesome years we had with him at the helm, but its Meyer time in Columbus and I'm supporting our HC 100%. Getting a bit tired of this whole "A World Without Urban" discussion involving Tress vs Meyer and the overly asked, "How long will Urban coach?"…Enjoy the ride people, the dudes 24-2 at OSU and likely to build on that, can't believe anyone really would be dissatisfied with that or how Urban has handled his program going into year 3. Heres to improving that record to 39-2, Coach. +6 HS BuckeyeDale 17 Apr 2014, 7:55 am I'm still not 100% sold on Meyer, and I'm sure some of that is from feeling so confident in JT, and then being fooled or feeling betrayed. But part of that is also from some of the stunts he pulled elsewhere, and wondering if he has continued to grow, or if he's going to turn out to be a snake oil salesman. I HOPE he's 100% legit, and this is indeed his dream job and that he's here, doing right, for the long haul. BuckeyeDale GO BUCKS!! +5 HS Young_Turk 17 Apr 2014, 7:55 am Answer: No. I would maintain the status quo with either one. If I had Tress, I would keep him, and if I had Urbz, I would keep him. I prefer Meyers' offense, SweaterVests' defense and special teams play. Time will tell, but I believe Tressel's players will have represented the university better overall. Uncle9er +10 HS m4 17 Apr 2014, 2:01 pm Coach Meyers is an offensive innovator, but he won national titles with outstanding defenses.The difference is he had a better defensive coaching staff at Florida than he does now, however with the additions of coach Johnson and coach Ash maybe that will change. JakeBuckeye 17 Apr 2014, 9:29 am Tressel > Urban, any day. "I'm Willie Buckets, and I approve this message" +3 HS ohst8buxCP 17 Apr 2014, 9:42 am Not saying you're wrong, but why? I can't think of a single reason off of the top of my head other than a more consistent defense. Loved JT but Urban is an upgrade in almost every area imo. osu07asu10 17 Apr 2014, 10:49 am 2 years with Meyer: 0 National Championships 2 years with Tressel: 1 National Championship It isn't a straight apples to apples comparison but the bottom line is, at this point in their tOSU careers, Tress had more success. CJDPHoS Board of Directors // Best friends with Homey Hache The 0 is silent. +1 HS Buckeyevstheworld 17 Apr 2014, 10:56 am To be fair, Urban's first year, he didn't have an opportunity to play for anything after going 12-0. "YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it. +10 HS osu07asu10 17 Apr 2014, 11:17 am To be fair, Urban's first year, he didn't have an opportunity to play for anything after going 12-0. Agreed BVTW. That is why it isn't apples to apples. However, I think the last two games of 2013 exposed the weakness of the team and who knows if that would have been exposed in the B1GCG or MNC against ND/Bama. I fondly like to think it wouldn't have but knowing what we do now, I can't say that definitively. But you're 100% right, you can't hold that against Meyer because he didn't even get the chance. CJDPHoS Board of Directors // Best friends with Homey Hache The 0 is silent. Furious George 27 17 Apr 2014, 10:59 am The talent that was inherited by both were not the same.... JT had better talent to work with, than Meyer. I could also say that had OSU not been on a ban that Meyer could have played and won a title if they faced ND in year 1. Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man. +4 HS osu07asu10 17 Apr 2014, 11:14 am You're kidding right? You think that Jim Tressel had more talent with Cooper's team than Urban inherited with Tressel's? So you think Steve Bellasari is better than Braxton? You think that Lydell Ross is better than Carlos Hyde? CJDPHoS Board of Directors // Best friends with Homey Hache The 0 is silent. +3 HS ohst8buxCP 17 Apr 2014, 11:58 am You left out Will Smith, Mike Doss, Chris Gamble, and Michael Jenkins. The roster Tress inherited was loaded with NFL talent. Lets not forget Tressel also ended his career with 1 title. With the talent that was there through his tenure I don't want to say we underacheived but we should have easily had more than 1 national championship. I think Meyer ends up with more in the same time span. I hate to say it but I feel like generally Tress gets a pass more often then he should (especially from older fans) because he brought OSU a title when we had been craving one for so long. After '03 I feel like some of his missteps got overlooked simply because of that one title run and partly because of the faith/moral aspect he brought to the table. Great man and great coach but I'll take Urban 100 times out of 100. +2 HS Furious George 27 17 Apr 2014, 11:54 am So naming two players means I am wrong? Pretty sure he inherited a hell of a defense, a good OL several WRs.... Bellasari was a terrible QB, but he at least had some QB coaching which was more than Braxton had. Hyde was rarely used before Meyer. So looklng at Meyer he inherited an raw QB an unkown RB, a shaky OL a defense that had little LB and Secondary depth. I am not sure how old you are, but Cooper had amazing talent a lot of the reason why OSU has had so many 1st rounders.... He just sucked when it mattered. If you haven't noticed a lot of OSU players lately have not gone 1st RD which is a pretty good indicator where the talent is. Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man. +2 HS JakeBuckeye 17 Apr 2014, 11:26 am Winning more games isn't everything to me. JT was THE man off the field. I'm confident there wasn't a better man in college football. Its a shame he was done so wrong like he was. "I'm Willie Buckets, and I approve this message" +3 HS ohst8buxCP 17 Apr 2014, 11:48 am He did it to himself when he lied to the NCAA and got caught. I loved Tress and at the end of the day i'm glad he was loyal to his guys but it ended up being to a fault. +1 HS Furious George 27 17 Apr 2014, 10:09 am Not trying to hate on JT, but Meyer did beat him for a title pretty badly. Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man. +7 HS JakeBuckeye 17 Apr 2014, 11:27 am Again, winning isn't everything for me. If we're speaking about who is going to win more football games, its Meyer any day of the week. "I'm Willie Buckets, and I approve this message" Furious George 27 17 Apr 2014, 1:32 pm I agree with you 100% Being loyal to your players is awesome, and preaching doing the right thing is great. But in the end being loyal to a handful of players ended up hurting the rest of the team, cost him his job lost OSU the 2011 & 2012 season with a ban. A part of growing as a person is understanding that actions have consequences no matter how trivial tatgate was, the punishment wasn't handed out by the coach as it should have been. Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man. buckeyeEddie27 17 Apr 2014, 9:41 am I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there. +3 HS SilverState 17 Apr 2014, 9:41 am The pain this question brings. D*mn you DJ. :) If u don't read my "rambling, nonsensical conversations that had nothing to do with the topic at hand," I'll throw a hissy fit. XD BuckeyeTrappedI... 17 Apr 2014, 10:06 am My vote was for currently, but I would not have replaced either with either. However, can you imagine how great this team would be with Urban running the offense and Tressel running the defense? In Urban We Trust +1 HS osu07asu10 17 Apr 2014, 10:51 am People tend to forget that Tressel was actually an offensive coach. CJDPHoS Board of Directors // Best friends with Homey Hache The 0 is silent. +1 HS Hovenaut Mod 17 Apr 2014, 10:09 am Heart over head. Voted no, surprised to see the majority went the same. Damn sure hoping Urban proves me wrong...and soon. http://days.to/7-september/2015 Rock on. JakeBuckeye 17 Apr 2014, 11:30 am I think you misread the wording of the question. If you wanted to vote Jim Tressel over Urban Meyer, shouldn't you have voted "yes"? "I'm Willie Buckets, and I approve this message" +1 HS Hovenaut Mod 17 Apr 2014, 3:48 pm Yes...I should have. I'll see myself out...(looks longingly at '02 championship collectibles, hangs head in shame) http://days.to/7-september/2015 Rock on. +2 HS Earle 17 Apr 2014, 10:16 am As long as we're voting on impossible hypotheticals, I vote that Tatgate never happened and Tressel is still the coach. Snarkies gonna snark. +5 HS buckeyeEddie27 17 Apr 2014, 10:23 am So that said, did we win the MNC in '11 with Tress, TP and a full supporting cast? I could live with that. I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there. Earle 17 Apr 2014, 10:47 am Sure, and while we're at it, Tressel eventually resigns as HC to become AD on his way to the university presidency, and Urban Meyer still comes out of "retirement" for his dream job in Columbus. TP is a 1st round draft choice and ambassador for the university, and everyone loves Assistant HC and DC Luke Fickell, who is considered a preferred candidate for every major HC opening if he chooses not to wait as Urban's heir apparent. However, the Browns still stink, because even hypotheticals have their limits. Snarkies gonna snark. +6 HS osu07asu10 17 Apr 2014, 10:53 am However, the Browns still stink, because even hypotheticals have their limits. I laugh because its hurts...and I have no more tears left to cry... CJDPHoS Board of Directors // Best friends with Homey Hache The 0 is silent. +5 HS Earle 17 Apr 2014, 11:32 am A sense of humor is my defense mechanism. As a lifelong Browns fan, it's pretty well developed by now. Snarkies gonna snark. osu07asu10 17 Apr 2014, 12:14 pm I don't know why I even have hope. They're going to take Carr at 4, I can feel it. CJDPHoS Board of Directors // Best friends with Homey Hache The 0 is silent. Buckeyevstheworld 17 Apr 2014, 10:53 am Can I live in this reality. XD However, the Browns still stink, because even hypotheticals have their limits. XD "YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it. Poison nuts 17 Apr 2014, 7:35 pm Sure, and while we're at it, Tressel eventually resigns as HC to become AD on his way to the university presidency, and Urban Meyer still comes out of "retirement" for his dream job in Columbus. TP is a 1st round draft choice and ambassador for the university, and everyone loves Assistant HC and DC Luke Fickell, who is considered a preferred candidate for every major HC opening if he chooses not to wait as Urban's heir apparent. However, the Browns still stink, because even hypotheticals have their limits. One day, there may be a poll for "greatest comment ever". I hope this one is on the list...which I would then cast my vote for. Hypothetically speaking, of course. "Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto. +2 HS Buckeye_in_SEC_... 17 Apr 2014, 10:32 am This is a pretty simple answer. It has to be Meyer all day. The recruiting style is different and the intensity is different. Plus, Urban spanked Tressel in their only head to head match. I was a big fan of Tressel, but we definitely upgraded when Meyer came in. Meyer's only mistakes to this point are retaining Fickell as DC (he's fine as a LB coach) and hiring Everett Withers. +2 HS osu07asu10 17 Apr 2014, 10:54 am Meyer's only mistakes to this point are retaining Fickell as DC (he's fine as a LB coach) and hiring Everett Withers. Fickell called that QB draw on 4th and 2 with Hyde in the backfield? No wonder!!! CJDPHoS Board of Directors // Best friends with Homey Hache The 0 is silent. -2 HS ohst8buxCP 17 Apr 2014, 11:53 am Yes.You're right That play (where we gave the ball to our best player and our TE missed his block) was the reason we lost the game, not the atrociously coached defense......sigh +2 HS bignut2017 17 Apr 2014, 10:43 am JT was a great coach but I feel that the offense never really opened up with tress. I think that we never knew whether or not the offense was going to show up. I think that they STILL are two of the three best coaches in the country "Championships aren't won on Saturdays, they're won on Tuesdays in August" Kerry Coombs osu07asu10 17 Apr 2014, 10:55 am 2006 was pretty potent, no? CJDPHoS Board of Directors // Best friends with Homey Hache The 0 is silent. +2 HS bignut2017 17 Apr 2014, 11:44 am Yes it was very potent and so was 2011 I just remember games like Purdue where 4 turnovers happened or 2009 in the shoe against penn state and 2010 against USC in the shoe where we could barely move past the 50 yard line "Championships aren't won on Saturdays, they're won on Tuesdays in August" Kerry Coombs m4 17 Apr 2014, 12:40 pm The offense was potent in 2006 until it ran into Meyer's defense in the national championship game that same year. +2 HS Furious George 27 17 Apr 2014, 1:36 pm I always look at potent as do we have players that if they get the ball can go the distance and stretch the field. All we had really had was Ginn in 2006. Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man. -1 HS bignut2017 17 Apr 2014, 10:44 am The bigger question is who would you rather have. Urban Meyer or Nick Saban "Championships aren't won on Saturdays, they're won on Tuesdays in August" Kerry Coombs -1 HS Furious George 27 17 Apr 2014, 11:07 am Meyer...... Saban already coached in the B1G and we already know how good he is when he cannot manipulate a roster and sign 30 recruits a year. Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man. m4 17 Apr 2014, 12:37 pm I would say that is a flip of the coin toad1204 17 Apr 2014, 11:22 am Tressel was the right man for the job at the time. Meyer was the right man after Tressel. Nothing like dancing on the field in 02... +3 HS OSUpawn 17 Apr 2014, 2:06 pm Can we have Co-Head Coach? I believe the SEC players put their pants on one leg at a time like we do. +5 HS Urban Nation Army 17 Apr 2014, 3:10 pm Said no, but can't make a fully informed decision at this time. Meyer got us a 24 game win streak against inferior opponents but Tressel got us 3 BCS title game appearances and one national title. At this point I would take what Tressel accomplished over what Meyer has 100 times out of 100 but that's not to say Meyer won't make up for it in the next 3-4 years. Bet you can't say "Bert Bielma is a bumbling buffoon" five times fast. +3 HS dwcbuckeye 17 Apr 2014, 7:23 pm Love JT but as I think back I do recall the team not performing up to their talent level more often in the last several years then in the earlier Tress years. Imagine Cooper's teams. Tremendous talent, but often never played up to their potential. Tressel certainly got the team to play to a high level and up to and perhaps a little past their potential; however, I think it started to slip a little near the end. With Meyer, I get the sense he is not going to put up with that and will make changes for underperforming players/coaches, e.g, A-B/4-6. This is more of a gut feel than anything else I don't have any stats to back it up. Quit edit: And I don't think anyone can disagree that Meyer had the players perform WAY above their level in 2012. If he fixes the Defense this year, we could be in the playoffs. Bottom line: to me the best coaches are the ones that get the most out of their talent ala Dantonio +1 HS AGAB 17 Apr 2014, 9:19 pm Jim Tressel will always be my favorite coach. He truly loved and cared for his players. They in return loved to play for him. That moment in "The Shoe" during the 2012 TTUN game when his former players hoisted him up and carried him was electric. I doubt Urban's players would ever feel sufficiently connected to him to ever express their profound admiration for him in such a manner. Urban is a great coach, whose players respect him for his past accomplishments but, I seriously doubt that they really care for him. I must admit I am biased, I live in the South, and until he was hired at OSU, I felt about Urban the same way many feel about Nicky Satan. I am not certain I can ever forgive him for ruining our most grand and glorious season. Perhaps, if and when, he wins something other than a B1G Divisional Title, I just might soften my stance. edr4225 17 Apr 2014, 9:28 pm Tressel was a nice coach, but give me urban all day!!! lets go bucks!! +1 HS ScarletGray43157 17 Apr 2014, 10:10 pm Perfect example of an incendiary question. In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land... BHT 17 Apr 2014, 10:47 pm I did not vote. I like Tressel and what he did for the university. He brought us Rose Bowls, Big Ten chapionships (Meyer has yet to win one), and almost brought us three National Championships (won 1/3). However, Meyer is a very good coach who even started 24-0 with a mediocre squad which eventually became what meyer called the best group of seniors (leadership) he has ever coached, and contued that with a squad full of National championship expectants. He is also recruiting very well. I cannot choose one, but I would certainly choose both If there was that option. (I know Meyer could only win a B1G champ last year due to the bowl ban the previous year. Both of them did not win a championship in the first year they were eligible- Tressels first year and Meyer's second. Same goes for the National Championship.) Only time will tell which is the better coach for the university. Both are great coaches and I would not trade either of them for the other, or any other coach in the land. +1 HS FROMTHE18 17 Apr 2014, 11:15 pm Simple response: stop being CNN, 11w. Fishing for page clicks is like the ruffy guy at a frat party. Sure, you get laid but being weak is still lame as hell. jrock 9 Jun 2015, 2:35 pm i was reading these comments and was so confused...until i realized they were from 2014. how did i get here???