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Dottie Sandusky quote

Johnny-Shane_Utah-Falco's picture
March 12, 2014 at 12:42pm
28 Comments

“Do I believe him?’’ she told Matt Lauer. “I definitely believe him. Because if I didn’t believe him, when I testified at trial, I could have not said what I said. I would have had to tell the truth.”

She believes the victims’ financial gain was at play.

“I think it was, they were manipulated, and they saw money,’’ she said. “Once lawyers came into the case, they said there was money.”

 

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Wow, first of all ----- I feel bad for the sane Penn State fans who don't defend Joe anymore, let alone Jerry. But, crazy people like Dottie Sandusky, Jay Paterno and Franco Harris make them look bad.

But....I gotta be honest ---- there are a LOT more crazy people out there who still support Joe than there should be. I really don't think the culture has changed that much. Maybe a hiatus for that football program would have made the cult-like sect of fans re-evaluate their priorities.

If you don't believe me, just check out some of the PSU fans on the PSU message boards, (i.e. 247 "Lion's Den". Sadly, it's an overwhelming majority who are mind-numb "Joe-bots", in denial and still supporting Joe. Some even defend Sandusky. I've gone on there before and asked simple questions, and they ban you from the boards. Over-sensitive crazies, I tell ya.

Penn State had a systemic culture problem that led to this scandal and cover-up. PSU is a unique place, and I think this could have only happened at PSU. Unfortunately, the systemic culture problem is not completely gone. Sure, it's better, but it's still a football-first mentality in State College.

Look, McQueary didn't do enough either. But, at least he did something. He told Joe and Joe said he'd "handle it". Joe (who essentially was his own boss) didn't do sh*t, though. Those who say Joe "reported it to his superiors" are full of sh*t, and they know it. Joe WAS his own superior. He was king of the State College fiefdom. But look how the PSU community treats those two: McQueary is shunned and blamed as a "rat", and Joe is still defended and a "hero".

I don't care how many good deeds you did. Looking the other way while 1 child is raped ruins the 1,000 good deeds you've done. The libraries, the dontations, the statues, etc. ---- they don't mean anything when you do the bare minimum and essentially allow more kids to get raped. When you know of child rapes going on, but you don't do enough because you want to protect your legacy....that's all you're going to be remembered for.

Also, I find it hard to believe Dottie didn't know anything. I know, I know --- we hear how "so & so was a mass murderer (or rapist or whatever) for 30 years and nobody suspected", etc.. But there were sounds coming from the basement. And wouldn't you find it just a tad  bit odd that your husband was constantly bringing young boys over and hanging out with them in the basement all night, alone. Same thing at the football facility. Straaaange. I find it very hard to believe in small town State College that a lot more people (close to Jerry, and other people) didn't know.

 

Now, I know a large sentiment on 11W is "but we need Penn State to look good...to help the B1G look good."... (to help Ohio State look good/big picture).  Sorry, fellas, but if I have to root for a child rape-enabling institution/program to succeed in order for my team and my team's conference to look better....then it's not worth it.

This isn't getting tattoo discounts, or ineligible players, or agents giving guys cash...it's f-ing CHILD RAPE(S)! It is THE worst scandal/cover-up in the history of sports. And all the while, PSU knew it and they were doing things like sending negative recruiting letters out during "Tat-Gate", bragging about how they didn't have any NCAA penalties, and how clean their program was, and the "Success with honor" bullsh*t. I think they should have shut down that program, then relegated them to the MAC or AAC.

 

 

AngryWoody's picture

I love how she acts like this was all just some evil conspiracy to destroy her husband. As if a bunch of people got together in some evil plot to frame an obscure football coach.

Yeah right.

Our Honor Defend!

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cpfanatik77's picture

Not always a Matt Lauer fan, but he did a great job keeping his composure during that interview. I don't know that I could have kept it together and continued on with the questions without completely losing my cool and calling BS.

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bodast67's picture

     Da Nile ain't just a river in Egypt, Dottie....

 

 

 

     " I hope when I die, I die laughing"...                

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osu07asu10's picture

It doesn't come as a shock to me that she (delusionally) supports her husband. This isn't just a bad thing for Penn State though, it is a terrible thing for the victims to still have these people continue to perpetuate the narrative in the media as if the abuse wasn't enough for them.

It is bad all around, but most especially for the victims.

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

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Seattle Linga's picture

I didn't see the interview but ML ask her about what the coach saw in the showers?

Hovenaut's picture

I'm not very interested in Mrs. Sandusky's comments myself.

I'm hopeful for the Penn State community that has faced some hard truths regarding the tragedy, and looks to heal. I would have never thought I'd say that - lived for a time in south central Pa in the 90's - I've seen some of their worst up close and personal. But over time I've also seen just the opposite.

My father in-law is a PSU alum - the tragedy shook him to the core. The B1G is a better conference with a strong Penn State in it, but I'll remain hopeful that the community can continue to move forward.

Hate Week runneth over

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Buckeyeneer's picture

Have things changed? Maybe at the institution, but there will always be the 2% in every fan base that makes all the fans look bad.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

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highsteppin's picture

First of all, don't lump a person(Mrs. Sandusky) defending a child rapist, with a person(Paterno family) defending their father's legacy. Two totally different set of circumstances.  Sandusky is the lowest of the low's when it comes to a human being.  Paterno on the other hand did everything by law he was suppose to on this.  He reported it to his superiors.  Should he of done more from a moral standpoint?  Absolutely. 

 

Don't believe the Freeh report.  A man died, and was unable to defend himself, nor tell his side of the story.  The report was done in a hurry, and very sloppy. Don't act like Paterno was the person doing the raping.  He wasn't.  The punishment done to the football program is a joke.  The wins that were vacated, is a slap in the face to the players that played the game.  

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Johnny-Shane_Utah-Falco's picture

"Joe reported to his superiors" is one of the laziest, sleaziest lines out there.

You sound like one of the Joe-bots. Look, I used to think Joe was a great coach, great person, neat guy, etc.. And, he DID do a lot of good, but all of that is washed away, unfortunately, by what he didn't do. I feel bad for Bill O'Brien -- having to put up with that crazy division of those PSU fans. Now I see why he left.

Everyone familiar with Penn State knows Joe was his OWN SUPERIOR!

There's only one thing almost as bad as raping a child...and that's ENABLING the rape of children.

That is Joe Paterno. Sadly, that's the thing he'll forever be remembered for.

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danbrown7665's picture

not goona lie. You sound ridiculous. Paterno might have been the man at Penn State but he was not his own boss. That was the AD.

And how did this help gain Penn State an advantage? the NCAA had no business in this. I don't think the cover up gave them an unfair advantage AT ALL. The reason kids don't want to go to Penn State was not Sandusky it was the ridiculous sanctions.

Noah Spence and Tommy Schutte didn't not go to Penn State because of Sandusky it was the sanctions if you believe it was Sandusky you are delusional.

"limitations, like fears are often just illusions"
-Michael Jordan, the greatest athlete of all time
 

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Johnny-Shane_Utah-Falco's picture

I sound ridiculous? Hey, you're the guy with 0 upvotes & multiple downvotes on your comment.

"And how did this help gain Penn State an advantage?"

Here's how:

The football program gained a competitive advantage as a direct result of these calculated, 14-year cover-ups. There is no way PSU would have consistently gotten the same caliber of recruits had this come out a decade or so ago. That means less wins, less exposure, less big bowl games, & ultimately less $. Also, tickets sales would likely not have been the same, and merchandise sales would have plummeted, (which I'm sure will happen now). PSU sold itself on the Joe Pa brand of "old school", "success with honor". This is another reason they covered up the rapes --- b/c Joe WAS PSU. Covering Joe's reputation helped the school succeed. Any “innocent” bystanders suffering because of a death penalty, (i.e.: fans, alumni, players, ticket vendors) are just collateral damage. That’s how it works. Deal with it. Tough.

This is just the way NCAA sanctions work -- it's called COLLATERAL DAMAGE. Was it fair to everyone involved at SMU, or USC, (who suffered from a player 7 years ago)? Nope. Soooo, why make an exception for the Most Out-Of-Control/Worst-Offending program in the history of sports? That's just the way it works. That's the price (unfair or not) you have to deal with for being a PSU player, present or past. Why would the PSU (worst scandal in the history of sports) collateral damage byproducts get the free pass, when compared to far lesser penalties by other programs' players who've suffered?

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Ericgobucks's picture

Yeah the man who died wasn't convicted of a crime. But if he was alive he would have been charged with perjury in a child rape cover-up. You sound like one of those "Joe-bots." What year did you graduate from Penn State? 

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Johnny-Shane_Utah-Falco's picture

Yeah, and Louie Freeh and everyone involved with the Freeh Report was out to get Joe.

Haha. Are you high?

p.s. the punishment to that football program wasn't enough. That cover-up directly benefited that mediocre football program.

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Ericgobucks's picture

This is an interesting post, not because of Penn State or the sordid Sandusky saga, but rather psychology. Psychology has always been fascinating to me and while she's obviously in denial, it's more to it than that. Even the Stockholm Syndrome is difficult to understand to those who are not studied in psychology or who has experienced it, but Dottie likely was involved in helping Jerry accomplish those goals even though she may not have been "at gun point." While maybe not having enough hard evidence to prosecute her, there's little doubt in a reasonable person's mind that she didn't know or should not have known. She is tainted, too. Forever. 

As far as the "Penn State" affair, I am pretty much burned out on it. Not that it's a bad post, but just that I don't want to look at the gruesome mess any longer. 

Buckeyeneer's picture

My thoughts on Dottie is that she must live in the fantasy world that she built for herself, because the truth just too painful for her to bear.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

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PittBuckeye's picture

What would you expect his wife of however many years to say? She'd rather it not be true, and what she thinks doesn't matter anyway. The media should let the poor woman be.

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BuckGnome's picture

Penn State being Penn State.

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highsteppin's picture

Graduated from The Ohio State University in March of 93.  Thanks for asking.  Utah, you are a tool.  No point in debating with a jagoff like you.  He would not of went to prison.  You should brush up on your law first.  An employee of an academic institution who suspects abuse of a physical and/or sexual manner, must report said abuse through their direct supervisor.  He did that. Get the facts straight.  Should he of followed up, absolutely.  But don't act like he raped, or looked the other way.  Like I said, big difference between the wife of the rapist claiming the rapist innocence and the family of Paterno defending his character and legacy.  If you are too ignorant to see that, well I guess that would be par for the course of a Columbus State dropout.  

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Johnny-Shane_Utah-Falco's picture

 

I'm the tool? Haha ok buddy. You are out of your mind if you don't think Joe pretty much got away with whatever the hell he wanted to in State College, for decades. The only reason they had "fire" him was because it was a public scandal of child rapes. Otherwise, they would have kept doing what they've been doing for decades in State College...sweep it under the rug for Joe & PSU.

When you have a janitor afraid to report a CHILD RAPE! for God's sakes....you have a systemic cultural problem.
When you have students holding a vigil to a child rapist enabling coach's statue...you have a systemic cultural problem.
When you have a player spouting off about how the sanctions aren't fair, & not ONCE mentioning the victims, who are the real story...you have a systemic cultural problem. When you have students & faculty watching the Emmert press conference & reacting with mouths agaped, as if they expected little-to-no sanctions…you have a systemic cultural problem. When you have Joe’s “superiors” go to Joe's house to try to get him to respectfully resign (2004), & Paterno kicks them all out of his kitchen! You have an ego maniac with waaay too much power…and you guess it --- you have a systemic cultural problem. From the top down.
To summarize: this was not a problem by 4 or 5 bad guys who aren't there anymore...it was a systemic cultural problem...and in some ways, it still is unfortunately.

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Ericgobucks's picture

The personal attacks aren't necessary. 11 Warriors is infinitely better than Bucknuts, precisely because there is some decorum. Calling him a tool and "jagoff" isn't furthering your points or "winning" your argument.

He may have technically told his superior, but he also perjured himself and would very likely have been charged with a minimum of perjury in a very heinous case and maybe obstruction of justice. Innocent people don't perjure themselves. Just thought i'd float that out there. And slamming community college students is unnecessary. I know some smart people who went to community college. Bettering oneself isn't a reason to ridicule them. 

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danbrown7665's picture

I still support Joe. I wouldn't have done anything different if I were him. Whoever posted this is a "woulda coulda shoulda" type of person. I agree with highsteppin. He reported it to his boss just like I would have done if it happened at my workplace.

"limitations, like fears are often just illusions"
-Michael Jordan, the greatest athlete of all time
 

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Johnny-Shane_Utah-Falco's picture

Well, then, that's a sad commentary on your character, Dan. As well as "HighSteppin's". I wouldn't be do proud to admit that if I were you two...supporting a child rapist enabler.

What if it were YOUR kid being raped by somebody, and their boss knew it --- but basically did nothing. Would you still suport that boss who did nothing? Highly doubt you would.

Like I said, the AD, the Pres, Board members, powers-that-be, etc. went to Joe's house to ask him to resign back in 2004.  ....

Joe tells them to F off. ...

Joe is still head coach after that. If that doesn't spell out that a guy has way too much power and is basically his own boss...I don't know what else you'd need to know.

You two sound like the PSU deniers, here is your likely Joe Pa support progression logic, in a step-by-step format:

  • - 1. “No way he did that.“
  • - 2. “Prove it.”
  •  -3. "But Joe reported it to his superiors!"
  • - 4. “It's a misunderstanding. He couldn't have.”
  • - 5. “Yeah, but other people were at fault too. So let's not focus on Joe.”
  • - 6. “This Freeh Report is clearly an FBI conspiracy against PSU.”
  • - 7. “You know, if you think about it, no other school could have handled this with the same class & dignity of Penn State.”

 

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highsteppin's picture

Well, Paterno was not Sandusky's boss at the time of the 01 incident.  So there is your first error.

Freeh was not employed by the FBI when he was hired by Penn State, therefore your delirious accusations of a FBI conspiracy holds no water

And all of your other quotes are delusional and never happened.

Don't know what more made up non facts you would like to spew, but hey if you put something on the internet it must be true.

 

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Johnny-Shane_Utah-Falco's picture

Those steps were satirical, but, not surprising --- you didn't pick it up.

But there probably is as some truth to the satire, sadly, for you Joe-bots.

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Ericgobucks's picture

Ok, fair point. Now say you know the police haven't gotten notified weeks or months later, what now? How about a year later? What about 5 years later? I mean he "technically" notified his boss, right? If 5 years later you know the police were not notified you are still responsible for not ensuring this alleged crime has been reported and investigated. I find this argument to be paper-thin and disingenuous. The problem is that it's based in fantasy that Joe didn't have power greater than the president of the university and wasn't directly involved in the cover-up. There was an damning email about "coach wants to know" what became of the allegations by Graham Spanier. Sometimes titles on paper are not how things work in the real world. 

Johnny-Shane_Utah-Falco's picture

Here's another bash*t crazy Dottie quote:

 

"All these young kids, all they think about is sex."

 

Wuuuuuuuuut. Seriously, what the hell. Delusional Dottie was definitely an accomplice to Jerry's sick crimes. Still can't believe she's walking free, not even with the possibility of consequences for her (in)actions. Only in Creepy Valley.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20140329/jerry-sa...

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bafiesta's picture

Well stated JOHNNY-SHANE_UTAH-FALCO!

 

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