It's a Problem

December 10, 2012 at 5:25p    by Jason Priestas    
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RedStorm45's picture

This follows the trend in the NFL.  It's turning into a TV sport.

btalbert25's picture

I love going to games, but paying over 70 bucks face value and the ordeal a lot of fans have to go through to get to the stadium doesn't make it too easy to get to more than 1 game per year.  I realize this will never happen, but may be a good reason to cut the regular season back some.  Get rid of some of those early season worthless home games.

Kurt's picture

I wonder what the numbers have been recently and will be for bowl games?  Does this bode poorly for the semi-finals happening off-campus?  

Bucksfan's picture

I blame ESPN and the SEC.  Even though the SEC also saw a small dip, the rest of the country is basically watching meaningless exhibitions, even if their perennial 6-6 team is playing host to a conference power.  It's an uncompetitive sport right now.  If your team isn't in the SEC, you can basically forget about getting to the national title game.  Hell, we even had Pat Forde just last week say on the DP Show that even if Ohio State was eligible, its schedule would keep them out of the running.  Maybe he was right and maybe he wasn't, but the point is that no team is in control of their own destiny, and that's because the SEC is controlling the narrative.  It's a self-perpetuating reality to have every SEC team ranked in the top-14 before any football is played, then say in November that it's the most difficult to navigate.  It is literally impossible for anyone else to have a "quality schedule" or make an argument.
This sport is virtually unwatchable because of this.  I can assure you that there are lots of people who feel like the product they're paying to watch is 2nd tier and unimportant, no matter if it's true.  I mean, we don't necessarily feel that way around here because we're fringe fans who love OSU football.  But I'm not surprised that less and less people are making the effort to watch their team race for the Orange Bowl.  ESPN basically says it doesn't matter and that everyone you play is crap unless you're in the SEC.

johnblairgobucks's picture

well said, and  agree 100%. ^^^ BUCKSFAN^^^
 
 
 
 
 
 
also, $70 tickets, 10$ parking, 60$ gas for road trip to Columbus....even if we could find tickets.... over $200 my wife and I can save, stay at home, have a cook out, watch game in HD.

btalbert25's picture

You can literally buy an HD TV to watch the game for the cost of going to one for you and your wife.  Don't get me wrong, I love to go to a game every year, but I couldn't afford to go to 4 or 5.  I always drop at least another 50 at varsity club or whereever else we end up going prior to the game, plus food.  Nothing beats the game day experience but with every game onTV, and the quality of HD, I'm ok watching 11 games from home. 
 

btalbert25's picture

I'd buy that if TV ratings for college football weren't so high.  ESPN would spend billions on every conference to cover their games if the SEC was the only conference people were watching.  The BCS and new playoff system wouldn't be getting such lucrative contracts either.  The game is as popular as its ever been.  I think cost of the tickets, slow economy, and TV have had profound impacts. 

penult's picture

Fans don't get as excited to go see the relatively meaningless game of their favorite team.  Instead they stay home and watch it on TV so that they can also watch the "all important" SEC games on TV.  The TV ratings don't debunk BUCKFAN's argument, nor do they bolster yours.  If it was the economy then why the drops in attendance this year, as opposed to the last four to five years?  It's a number of things; it always is.  (I would argue it's a number of things including economy, HDTV, availability of so many games on TV, and probably some other obvious things I'm overlooking.  But to ignore the influence of the recent SEC narrative is ignorant at best--it's practically a miracle that a non-SEC team is even playing in the BCS-ship this year.)  After the last college football season and the way this one has started, I can't help but see how fans of non-SEC teams can feel like their team's chances are a huge longshot, and if they lose one game the season is over.  Yeah, some teams just starting to build a tradition might still be interested, but why would fans of teams like Stanford, USC, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas, Oregon (etc.) be jaded as soon as they suffer one loss?
In particular he was right about the narrative.  When Alabama was rolling it was all about how that team was going to steam roll the competition and walk through the BCS.  When they looked utterly beatable against an inconsistent and questionable LSU team it was denial.  The next Saturday when they lost to a good, but not quite great, A&M team it was A&M wins the Heisman and Alabama will still make the BCS-ship as long as they win out.  And remember all those SEC teams in the top 25 to start the season (those awesome teams like Arkansas, Auburn, and Tennessee)?
To top it off, as I was reading this thread with the Monday night game on, Gruden has mentioned at least 10-15 tims in the first half alone that the Patriots starting linebackers are all SEC, or their school, or something about one of them being SEC.  ESPN can't even broadcast an NFL game anymore without recruiting for/advertising their favorite conference.

johnblairgobucks's picture

To top it off, as I was reading this thread with the Monday night game on, Gruden has mentioned at least 10-15 tims in the first half alone that the Patriots starting linebackers are all SEC, or their school, or something about one of them being SEC.  ESPN can't even broadcast an NFL game anymore without recruiting for/advertising their favorite conference.
 

even late into the 4th quarter Gruden is saying "The New England Patriots are running Guz Malzon and Auburn stuff right now"  smh

DaiTheFlu's picture

Bucksfan, spot on. This is exactly how I feel about college football right now, although it doesn't stop me from watching my Bucks religiously or attending a couple games a year. So, anyone wonder exactly why Jim Delaney and the B10's stance on a playoff shifted so radically in such a short time? You just described exactly why; the SEC unfairly has a spot in the title game regardless of what happens (bama's late season loss and being back to #2 the next week).

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gwalther's picture

You get an upvote solely based on your Fear and Loathing quote. Pure excellence.

Class of 2008

DaiTheFlu's picture

Thanks!

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

Bucks43201's picture

This is a sh*t economy. That explains more than people are willing to say.

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

ausmos's picture

Who wants to pay ~$100/game when there is 1 or 2 decent home games every year. Not to mention I can stay home and watch it on my 60" TV, use my own bathroom, eat my own food, not have to deal with traffic, stay updated on other games, watch replays, and not have to deal with a bunch of drunks.

SPreston2001's picture

Exactly! Going to the game is nice, but when you have the comforts of your of home its not that big of a deal lol.

Poe McKnoe's picture

Can't believe people are breaking down the gates to watch Purdue or Illinois.../sarcasm
People generally don't want to drop $100 per ticket when it's easier to access the game via TV or the internet.  Somewhere in between there's a cost/benefit line where "hell yea, i'll go to the game for 25 bucks".  That's why schools like Arkansas will have a hard time forking over $3.5 million a year to bozo the clowns like Bielema.

mr.green's picture

Two things:
1. Noon games. They suck. Get some lights.
2. For the top teams on the list, there was little fall off. Most are pretty steady and that shows that big-name programs can still draw huge crowds.  Yes Tennessee and Auburn and Penn State are down, but there are pretty good reasons for that besides the economy. The rest of the world has a problem, though.   Baylor had empty seats for Oklahoma and K State! If those games can't draw a crowd, nothing can.
3. One huge problem is conference championship games with empty stands. The best way to solve that is to have one of the two teams host the game. Stanford did a pretty carppy job of this, but any B1G team would have sold out. If we go to nine (or some advocating 10) conference games, and upgrade the home-and-home schedule, OSU will  no longer have 7 or 8 home games every year. Be nice to replace one of those with the B1G Championship in the Shoe!
 

NoVA Buckeye's picture

Ohio State charges a pretty price for tickets. It's the other schools that can't produce. If I can pay for VT season tix and still have it be less than sitting in the OSU road section at the VT game, why wouldn't I buy them? I agree that being able to watch the Bucks every game in NoVA is nice, but there is nothing like being in the stadium, even if the temperature is freezing.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

it was almost as cheap this year, to join the Miami Redhawk Athletic Group for $125 , and then buy Miami Redhawk assigned road tickets to the OSU game, than it was to buy tickets to the OSU/Miami OH game on Stub Hub.

Jdadams01's picture

Crap economy + HD TV + stupid ticket prices = lower attendance. 
Easiest stat to understand ever.

johnblairgobucks's picture

true.  On the other hand, if Iowa was playing Minnesota in a stadium 5 minutes down the road, and tickets were free, I'd probably not go. It'd be more comfortable sitting at home, half-ass watching it on the Big10Network.  There are some crappy matchups to be viewed.

Nick's picture

Not everyone is an Ohio State, Nebraska or scum

gwalther's picture

Aint our problem.

Class of 2008

buckeyedude's picture

It's the economy, stupid!

 
 

Oyster's picture

Luckily for football there are only a handful of home games, so the chance to see a game is reduced.  How MLB has survived is beyond me.  Give me a Clippers game anyday, at least i can afford that.

Doc's picture

I'm sure the economy has more to do with it than we want to admit.  The other thing is the ticket prices and then $15.00 to park along with $4/$5 beers at the VC before hand and then the ultimate raping of $4.00 hot dogs and water in the stadium.  Not to mention the crapfest of teams we are forced to watch.  I usually take my kids to the early season games no one else wants to watch.
Still, there is no place else I would rather be on a football Saturday then Ohio Stadium.  Even with HDtv at home.  I could do without the 20 minute wait to take a leak.  THANKS FOR REMOVING THE TROUGH URINALS IN THE MEN'S ROOM GENE!!!!!

"Say my name."

Oyster's picture

He wanted to set OSU apart from Cleveland...

Doc's picture

I guess Cleveland doesn't have lines for the Men's room.  It is sad that my wife can go faster than I can.  I missed good chunks of the AACC game because of the need to pee.  Removing two toilets and placing a long trough would eliminate the lines outside.  Before the stadium renovations there was little to no line at all and you missd maybe one or two snaps.  Not an entire series or drive!

"Say my name."

Oyster's picture

That was meant more as a jab at the old Municipal Stadium and the notorious 'Mens Facilities' they had. 

Pam's picture

You guys peed in a TROUGH?  I don't know how you guys walk around with those things.

Doc's picture

Sometimes it gets in the way, but at a trough it is very fast and easy.  Whip it out, look straight ahead, no small talk, do your thing, and get out.  Next!  Way better than pulling everything down and hovering.  IMHO.

"Say my name."

Pam's picture

I was at a game where the line to the ladies room was really long (duh, we have to undress to pee) and there was no one in the mens room. So we stood guard outside and went in there. I didn't see a trough, but I wanted to take a shower immediately. You guys are gross

Baroclinicity's picture

In my days when I went out to bars in grad school in Texas, the bathrooms become "women" and "men and women" after a certain point...usually 11:30pm or so. Can be a tad unnerving trying to pee at urinal with women waiting in a line for the stall behind you. Of course, the alcohol helps with that...

One last thing Pam, as far as being gross, women tell me all the time that women's public restrooms are worse than men's! Especially at bars or stadiums where they are used in mass.

Pam's picture

I 'm going to have to disagree with your lady friends on that. You guys pee standing up. You know not all of it stays in the urinal. It sure doesn't stay in the toliet at my house. I have had a rainbow around my toilet since my son was potty trained.

Pam's picture

Paulie: I can't stand touching my fucking shoelaces. Ever go to tie your shoes and you notice the end of your laces are wet? Come on why would they be wet?
Silvio: I've got no fucking idea.
Paulie: You go in the public bathrooms. You stand at the urinals...
Hesh: Oh fuck. Come on will ya.
Paulie: He's asking me and I'm telling him and frankly it's important. Even if the laces dry and even if you don't touch the body of the shoe, bacteria and virus migrate from the sole up.
Christopher: You see this on TV?
Paulie: I gotta watch TV to figure out the world. Your average men's shit house is a fucking sewer. You look at lady's johns you can eat maple walnut ice cream from the toilets. Eh! There's exceptions. But the men piss all over the fucking floor, urinals jammed with cigarettes and moth ball cakes.
Paulie: Even if you keep your shoes tied, and your laces aren't dragging through urine....
Silvio: (trying to eat his lunch) SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!
 

Doc's picture

Well Pam, the troughs were up against the wall at one end of the restroom.  It was a one sided thing.  I wouldn't trust anyone to stand in front of me and try to pee into the same trough.  Let's just say there would be way to much potential for splatter :/  You are right there use to be no line at all for the men's room.  It was a quick in and out.

"Say my name."

Baroclinicity's picture

Holy hell, I can just envision a scenario with someone peeing across from you, is hammered, and retaliates for thinking you splashed him on purpose.

Doc's picture

Amirite?

"Say my name."

William's picture

Troughs are great, super fast and super easy. I'd definitely be in favor of Ohio Stadium being refurbished with thermochromic urinals. http://thetechjournal.com/off-topic/thermochromic-urinal-makes-pee-colorful.xhtml

Doc's picture

I say go for it.  Paint the things blue and then the pee would be maize/sun colored.  It would look like a certain teams uni's.  Anything is better than 10 single urinals for about six sectons of seating.

"Say my name."

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

The question fans have to ask themselves is if the money they spend to go to a game is worth it.  OSU attendance doesn't seem to be a problem - even though the experience is expensive ($70/ticket + $15/parking + food/drink before and during the game + souvenirs), people are going to be more willing to shell out that kind of money when the product and the experience is worth it.  If Buckeye fans weren't so passionate, the atmosphere inside the 'Shoe wasn't so great, and the team in general wasn't doing well, the attendance would struggle.  Other places are seeing attendance struggle because the experience and the product is not worth the money that they're asking for.  What has been discussed above (economy, SEC narrative, etc) factors in to what fans consider to be "worth it". 

Class of 2010.

JBuckeye's picture

This is more accurate than many want to believe. Earlier someone mentioned Kstate and Baylor.  What sort of history and tradition do Kstate and Baylor have that makes the experience worth shelling out the money for?
I've been to quite a few MU games and a couple UC games, and there isn't the tradition and pagentry that you get at places like the Shoe. Imagine it to be the same in the other mid-level programs that just don't have the history that places like OSU has. I don't know what they are asking for a ticket to a Baylor game, but I imagine the price has got to be a little high for the product you get outside of the actual game.
I've always said that a Buckeye game in the Shoe is a once in a lifetime experience that everyone should try to get to.  I've even considered taking in a game at the big house just to experience it, even though I promised myself I'd never set foot in that state again.

Firedup's picture

Ohio State is not immune to this problem.  Last year we struggled to sell tickets for Colorado and IU.  This year even with a highly ranked team a large portion of the C deck was sparse for Purdue game.  Economy and bad visitors make for a very hard selll