The Freeh Report on PSU

July 12, 2012 at 9:04a    by Ramzy Nasrallah    
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Hoody Wayes's picture

The Freeh Report concludes Penn State disregarded the welfare of children and that this was underwritten by the conspiracy of at least four of its officials: Spanier, Curley, Schultz and Paterno.
I imagine NCAA president Mark Emmert would have to contemplate citing Penn State for lack of institutional control. If so, I imagine he would have to contemplate exacting penalties that are much stronger than usual. Given the magnitude of the conspiracy to cover up crimes against children, I cannot imagine Emmert excluding the option to administer the "death penalty."
 

CincyOSU's picture

Death Penalty will NEVER happen again.

faux_maestro's picture

Here is one time where it should. Also Matt Millen needs to shut up now.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Yea...he...uh...he didn't do that either.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

harp35's picture

This is a sad day for big ten.

Hoody Wayes's picture

Delany may view this as justification for arranging Penn State's exit from, the Big Ten.

CincyOSU's picture

Why would he possibly want to do that? No benefit whatsoever.

Hoody Wayes's picture

Delany's got brand equity to protect.

TheBadOwl's picture

Concern over "brand equity" is largely why the cover-up happened in the first place...

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

Nappy's picture

^truth
It's sad there doesn't appear to by any concern regarding the victims from anyone with knowledge of the situation.  This, to me, is the most troubling part.  As bad as this was handled from the top down, it's even worse that no one seems to care there are victims here. 

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TheBadOwl's picture

Agreed. And as much as I love this site, I absolutely hate how there are already threads  about flipping PSU football recruits. I get it, this is an OSU fan forum, but to me, that's a narrowsighted and selfish perspective to have.
What happened at Penn State is an atrocity. Personally, I won't even attempt to speculate about what the possible NCAA punishment should be. Any talk of the NCAA or the football program does an incredible disservice to the victims.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

Nappy's picture

I was mainly referring to those at PSU with knowledge of what happened.  But you're right about the flipping recruits/NCAA punishments speculation.  Those things pale in comparison.  Although I do think the University should be punished, I have no clue as to how to do it and I don't care to speculate about it.

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Hoody Wayes's picture

It is certainly not a disservice to the victims, to talk of the NCAA or the football program. It's a call for justice. These victims deserve justice. Justice has not been fully served. 
The atrocity at Penn State is linked to its football program, officials therein and other university administrators. 
Moreover, the NCAA must cite Penn State for lack of institutional control, because lack of institutional control is the moral of this story. The NCAA must show that truth mandates consequences. If Penn State loses its football program, it would be a fair punishment. 

Hoody Wayes's picture

True. Concern over brand equity begets calculation. Penn State miscalculated, by covering up.
Delany's principal objective is B1G brand equity. He will calaculate, too. Difference is, his course is about reaching a point where he feels the conference would be better off without Penn State.
If he gets there, he will affect that change.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

With all due respect to Commodore Delany, the various legal departments would probably weigh-in on things before Delany could single-handedly "affect that change." I have no idea what technicalities and financial arrangements would be involved with removing PSU from the Big Ten, but they might be heavy. Then, again, maybe not (maybe there is some kind of clause . . .).   

CincyOSU's picture

The Death Penalty wil never happen, although the sanctions potentially levied against the school could amount to that. A true Death Penalty hurts too many ppl not associated with the team/school...esp in today's world.

Hoody Wayes's picture

How many CHILDREN were hurt? 
This fact may make something tantamount to a death penalty, inevitable.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Ramzy, thanks for the alternative link, as the freereport link wasn't working for me.
It's a 267 page report. For slow, lazy readers like me, the (summary) Findings begin on page 14. Another short-cut is to skim through the Recommendations, which begin on page 127.

Irricoir's picture

I didn't read through all 267 pages, just the findings. According to this, much that has been speculated on these very boards was found to be true in this report. All three men and Paterno knew of the occurrence and did nothing. Their main motivation was to avoid bad publicity and did nothing to prohibit the actions Sandusky might take against children in the future. The men in question did nothing to identify child victim number 2 either. Sandusky was able to come and go unsupervised and as he pleased, on all campus facilities. That's the gist of it. There is probably a whole lot more that I have left out but what I read can be found on page 13-17.

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beserkr29's picture

It's a very sobering read.  Most striking bit was looking at the timeline, seeing how early the University police were involved, and how Sandusky disregarded it entirely.  Lots and lots for Penn State to answer for.  Joe Pa is not looking particularly good in this report.  I loathe Penn State on general principle, but this is truly a hard day for the school and conference.  Geez...

BrewstersMillions's picture

This is why I personally was so bent on villifying Joe Paterno. I've talked a few times about local sports radio here in Chicago that was floating many of these ideas out months ago-hence my insistence on proclaiming Joe's (among others) guilt.
At this point, all Penn State fans have left is their current football team. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts somewhere in the next month, something along the lines of "Can we just play football to get our minds off of this" or "Football makes it all go away" will be said either on BSD or some other PSU geared forum. Since the truth is out (unless of course you ask Penn Staters) and they will immediatley default to their crutch that is the football team, I hope 12 teams kick that crutch out from underneath them and break it in front of their face.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

btalbert25's picture

I actually thought it may be more damning than it was.  TO be sure it's pretty serious stuff, but some of the comments on Penn State's board by those "in the know" were predicting a lot of people being involved.  These definitely were the most powerful men at Penn State, but it was exactly the large scale cover up I was expecting by what those folks had to say.   I think the violation of the Clery Act is the most serious part of all this.  That could really hurt the university.
 

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Northbrook's picture

PSU needs removed from the B1G.

CincyOSU's picture

A bit of a reach. Should they be punished, it now appears that way. But kicking them out of the league? Everyone involved in the cover up is gone. Not to mention the negative impact this would have on other schools.

Pam's picture

What negative impact?

CincyOSU's picture

Scheduling, revenues, tv contracts, not to mention losing one of the marquee teams in the league will assuredly hurt the SOS and perception of the conference....something that is hugely important with the new playoff system.

btalbert25's picture

SOS you could hold serve or improve by adding a team from another conference.  To be sure, a program would sign on to fill their void and could have reasonably the same success as Penn State most of the last 15 years or so.  Hell UC has been to as many BCS games.  THe problem is, short of adding Notre Dame or another powerhouse program like I don'tknow Oklahoma, you aren't going to replace that revenue stream from TV money

CincyOSU's picture

I see what you are saying about adding other teams, but outside of ND there really arent other teams out there that have the "it" factor that PSU has. UC - small fanbase, plays in weak conference. The other school mentioned as B10 possibilities...Virgina, Rutgers, BC, and Maryland do not offer nearly anything on the level PSU does.

Northbrook's picture

PSU has the wrong 'it' factor these days. Replace them.

Irricoir's picture

Not to mention if we kick them out immediately, there is likely no team in America except ND that could jump in immediately and take their place. If we sit at 11 we can not have a conference championship game with 11 teams in the conference.

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TheBadOwl's picture

Syracuse, UC or Rutgers would be likely in that instance, but I don't see it happening. The new football regime doesn't have anything to do with the scandal. Only a handful of assistants are left from the JoePa era.
At this point, any concern about the conference as a whole is missing the point of the Freeh report entirely. With regards to punishment for Penn State, it would be selfish and shortsighted to be concerned over the welfare of the Big Ten, but rather the focus should be coming up with a fitting punishment for Penn State as an institution.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

btalbert25's picture

Money, plain and simple.  OSU and the rest of the B1G would get less money from bowl payouts and TV revenue.  Penn State is a very big draw on the networks and a B1G minus Penn State means a lot less money for the whole B1G.  That's what matters here. Honestly, I feel like they deserve more of a punishment than they'll get athletically but it won't happen.
I also hate the statement of defense people keep using for Penn State.  Well, the parties involved are all gone now so nothing should happen.  Bullshit, just because the A-holes got fired, arrested, or resigned doesn't mean the university shouldn't be held accountable.  The report showed no active involvement in the cover up by the board of trustees, but they still said they aren't free of blame. 

CincyOSU's picture

Didn't say they shouldn't be punished...I only use that "defense" when ppl throw out the death penalty talk.

btalbert25's picture

I just don't think it's a valid defense at all.  The new coach knew what he was walking into, the players who committed last year and are committing now knew the situation.  They made the choice knowing the consequences and decided that was the place for them to go.  Football players and coaches aren't the victims here, even if the football program does get sanctions.  I doubt they will but they could face sanctions similar to what the Buckeyes got. 
With the findings that they violated the Clery Act though, I don't much think Penn State needs to worry about football sanctions right now.  The university is facing much much more serious problems than a football team not getting to go to a bowl game.

CincyOSU's picture

I get what you are saying but I have never been big on the way the NCAA doles out punishment for violations. Everything is done after the fact and  in nearly all cases the parties involved are long gone. How is it even remotely fair to punish someone who had nothing to do with said violoations...whether they knew what they were walking into or not. I'm not going to pretend to know the solution to this but there HAS to be a better way of handing out punishment to those who break the rules.
 

NC_Buckeye's picture

I also hate the statement of defense people keep using for Penn State.  Well, the parties involved are all gone now so nothing should happen.  Bullshit, just because the A-holes got fired, arrested, or resigned doesn't mean the university shouldn't be held accountable.

Completely agree BT. There's still an institution and a culture that needs to be checked.
Freeh makes clear that blame should also be assigned to the Penn State culture (i.e. the cult of Paterno). That culture is still very much in play in State College. You only need to check the comments on BSD's Freeh Report open thread to confirm this.
Also, Freeh confirms that 1998 was when the cover-up started and Paterno was very much involved right from the start.  
 

CincyOSU's picture

You can't base the culture of the program off the fringe fans who post on BSD. Fans are alot of times the last ones to accept change. The change in culture starts from the top...and we have seen SOME of this change occurring.

NC_Buckeye's picture

It's not just BSD. It's the same thing everywhere. Every PSU fan I've talked to or read editorials from (not just at BSD) say the same thing. It's horrible what the victims had to experience. But Paterno was a victim too (in so many words) and the PSU BOT and Governor Tom Corbett are just as much the villains (as Sandusky???) in this scandal. And now they're throwing Triponey's name in there too (for having an axe to grind with Paterno).
It's all about Paterno. It was and continues to be this deification of Paterno that allowed this monster to continue unchecked for years. Penn State does what Paterno wants it to do. And Paterno did not want this scandal to taint his empire.
That's the cult of Paterno and that needs to die before the outside world will allow PSU to move forward.

hodge's picture

To be completely fair, there's actually some pretty good dialogue going on at BSD.  I was perusing their open thread about the report, and it seems like a lot of them are accepting Paterno's role--not trying to rationalize their hero's misdeeds.  It's worth a look.  
For the record, I do feel terrible for all innocent parties here, the victims, the faculty, the fans, etc.  This should never have happened.  If it was Ohio State that did this, I'd be absolutely heartbroken.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Hodge - that's good to hear about BSD. I hope it's not just a case of today's sample of comments not being well representative of the full range of reactions (e.g., maybe those who are able to better face the truth without rationalizing their hero's misdeeds were more likely to jump right into the discussion, while the bitter-clingers needed to get away for a few hours).
I agree, though, it's a terrible situation. First and foremost, it's dispicable what happened to Sandusky's victims. Much less damaging but still painful, however, is the damage done to all the other innocent parties who love PSU and had absolutely nothing to do with their leaders' cowardly actions/inactions.
For that reason, I feel for many of my PSU friends/colleagues - even the ones who rarely had a nice thing to say to me about Ohio State. Their expressed hatred toward Ohio State was very disproportional to what I expressed toward their alma mater, but wasn't that always the nature of this partly manufactured "rivalry"?
It used to irratate me when they acted that way, but now I feel sorry for them. If they had reasons to be envious of Ohio State before, now their inner resentments will really be stewing. Yet they won't be able to vent that frustration through fball hatreds because that will only make them sound ridiculous. I mean, if they say anything at all, we'd just stare back at them silently with that reproachful look on our faces, which would be devastating to them. So, they won't say anything in the first place.
Forget elite-level football. How will PSU Nation cope with having to bottle-up-inside its OSU hatred?

Maestro's picture

Yep.  This is what has always made me so critical of Paterno.  I was of the opinion with many othere that there was no way in hell he didn't know about the '98 incident.  Turns out that he did, and still did nothing after the McQueary incident.  UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE!!!!!
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BED's picture

Same reason I reserved judgment Maestro.  And now, I can safely agree with everyone that Paterno's actions were despicable.

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Maestro's picture

You have a stronger constitution than I BED.

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BED's picture

I try not to rush to judgment, as there is usually more to a story than is initially reported.  Once the facts bear out, and a clear picture exists, then it's safe to judge.

I wouldn't claim that Paterno et al. were/are as bad as Sandusky, but they are right up there.

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Jugdish's picture

Those men are as guilty as Sandusky. Prison should be next for them. The only ones caught in the middle were the janitors and McQueary. The janitors kept quiet to keep their jobs and pension. McQueary did have the nerve to go to Joe. I seems a little like McQueary was moved up to shut up (IMO).

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BED's picture

I don't disagree that they deserve prison time, but in no way are they as bad as a child molestor.  That's just hyperbole, which sort of degrades the awful crimes Sandusky committed when mentioned in the same breath.

Honestly, I think there needs to be criminal prosecution of the University itself.  Institutions can be tried for crimes.

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NC_Buckeye's picture

BTW, this also means Paterno lied to the Grand Jury last year.

CincyOSU's picture

You know, the way Paterno's family was acting it was almost as if they knew something the rest of us didn't...wonder how they feel now?

tennbuckeye19's picture

The saddest part if that Penn State fans will still defend Joe Paterno despite this report.
Reading Joe's words from November of 2011 make me wanna throw up. He said, 'With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more". That pisses me off. I mean really? Yeah Joe, how many innocent boys were abused because you and the rest of your PSU jackass cronies didn't do more? The benefit of HINDSIGHT? Are you freakin' kidding me?
With the 'benefit of hindsight' Joe, I bet those boys, who are now scarred for their entire lives because YOU DID NOTHING to stop or prevent their abuse: I bet they wish you had done more too...
 

cplunk's picture

I don't understand why Penn State continues to do so little. There are so many steps they could take. If they want to change the focus and not punish the innocent players, here's an easy one- continue to play and offer scholarships, but ALL revenue from the football program goes straight to children's organization for the next ten/fifteen years (same amount of time as the coverup). Dictate that all students, coaches, and athletic department personnel must spend a certain number of community service hours every year working with children's groups.
That would be a start. What is frustrating to me- what really makes me want to call for the death penalty or tossing them out of the B1G- is that it doesn't seem like the culture of PSU has changed at all.
The most common things I hear from PSU'ers are either "We need to put this behind us and move on with rebuilding the department" and "You can't punish the program because the current people weren't the ones involved. Neither statement acknowledges that the real problem is the PSU culture surrounding football.
To change the culture, you HAVE to affect both the program and the current players and staff. PSU should WANT to change the culture after what happened.

CincyOSU's picture

How do you know the culture with the university has not changed? You can't base your assumption of what you here from the crazy 5% on BSD.

cplunk's picture

Because I personally know 10 people currently attending PSU and another 10-15 alumni. I have spoken with them often. Why do you assume I based my opinion on things I read online?

CincyOSU's picture

Because the change in culture starts administratively and works its way down. You just mentioned that you "know ppl who go there or went there"...as in fans of the school/team or ppl who are not in the know. My question still remains, how do you know the school has not begun to take steps internally to right the ship?

Irricoir's picture

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FROMTHE18's picture

Penn State needs to be hammered by the government and the NCAA through its rules of ethical behavior and lack of institutional control.

hodge's picture

The only way that Delaney would give Penn State the boot would have been if the Board of Trustees were actively involved with the cover-up.  Technically, this can be seen as "rogue actions" of four of the University's most powerful men (though, as the report notes, they are still responsible for not overseeing them).  Should the university be punished?  Absolutely.  Kicked out of the Big Ten?  No.
The issue with delivering any kind of punishment is how it will make the NCAA look.  Docked schollies or postseason bans seem petty compared to what's transpired here (keep in mind that this is a case where the head football coach, AD, senior VP, and UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT conspired to commit a crime: non-reporting and covering up of suspected child abuse), to the point where only the Death Penalty would make sense; which is something that the NCAA will never levy again (especially not to a prized cash cow like Penn State).  Therefore, if we see a punishment--no matter how much the latter seems just--the former will be the punishment doled out.
But, my opinion holds that said actions here personify the very definition of "Lack of Institutional Control".  These actions were done to protect the brand, and cannot be tolerated, under any circumstance.  Fuck the NCAA's arbitrary guidelines that they hold so dear, these men not only violated state laws, but also failed in their basic obligations as responsible human beings.  If I'm Mark Emmert, I come down swiftly: 5 years of probation for all varsity sports (7 for football), one reduced sholarship in every varsity sport (non football) for three years, and three or four scholarships reduced for football, per year, over a five year span.
Joe Paterno was right, this isn't just a football issue: it's an athletic issue, it's a human issue, it's an issue where the brand was more valuable than sexually abused children.  And as Prince Escalus said in Romeo and Juliet, "ALL are punished."

amk1616's picture

After reading the time line.  it looks like there were a few people (Shultz, Curly, Baldwin and Paterno) who acted alone in hiding all of the information from the board.  It comes across as though the board was, at times, trying to get information and was always led to believe that nothing was wrong.
with that in mind, could you make the arguement that the university is OK but that these people themselves are toast?

cplunk's picture

You can make that argument. If you look at the part with the janitors though, you can see that the culture of the university was so football-oriented that the janitors concluded it was better not to report child rape because they were certain they would all lose their jobs. They felt the university would value the football program over protecting children. That suggests the issue is a lot bigger than the four people that primarily covered up the situation.

UrbzRenewal's picture

As much as people think otherwise, I think that the NCAA will get involved (let's not forget that the culprit was a football coach and the coverup was in part by a football coach), I think that there will be sanctions (probably not a bowl ban, but lots of scholarship loses, probation). I think that the Department of Education will get involved as well. Just my opinions.

Football took precedence over everything, and that's something the NCAA must fix. 

tennbuckeye19's picture

That's the part that pisses me off the most. I love football and I love Ohio State, but if something as horrific as boys being raped is occurring, that takes precedence. Football is a freakin' game. It's a freakin' game played with a ball.  
We're talking about lives being ruined and destroyed because a game played with a ball was thought of as more significant than protecting kids. 

NC_Buckeye's picture

Reading the part on the 1998 incident (starting at page 41). The boy's mother contacted "Alycia Chambers, licensed State College psychologist who had been working with her son, to see if she was 'overreacting' to Sandusky's showering with her son. The psychologist assured the mother that she was not overreacting and told her to make a report to the authorities." Later that day Chambers met with the boy and inquired about the incident.
"Chambers made a report to the Pennsylvania child abuse line and also consulted with colleagues. Her colleaugues agreed that "the incidents meet all of our definitions, based on experience and education, of a likely pedophile's pattern of building trust and gradual introduction of physical touch, within a context of a 'loving,' 'special' relationship."
How was Sandusky allowed to continue after this assessment?

BrewstersMillions's picture

Simple. The Brand! The Brand! The Brand! Penn State Football above all else.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

AltaBuck's picture

Interesting that the Clery Act was named after Jeanne Clery, a freshman student who was raped on campus at Lehigh University back in 1986.  You would think since it originated in their own backyard that the state's flagship university would have enforced it instead of it sitting on someone's desk for 11 years in draft form.

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Flava Flav's picture

Those that are calling for the death penalty have no idea how the legal system works. The Sandusky victims will rightfully sue Penn State for millions of dollars. If you are objectively searching for proper (albeit imperfect) justice for the victims and punishment for Penn State the correct course of action has nothing to do with putting the football team on a 1-3 year hiatus. To do otherwise would blindfully narrow this tragedy into a primarily "sports" issue--doing nothing for the victims in the process.

faux_maestro's picture

Everyone should check out @sganim on twitter. She's a newspaper reporter, she's got some quotes from Scott Paterno that are just crazy based on what is in the report.

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Pam's picture

She is the reporter that broke the story and won a pulitizer for doing so.

BrewstersMillions's picture

And the winner of the illustrious BrewstersMillions person of the year award in 2011.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

Pam's picture

She asked one question to some other reporters in Hburg "What's going on?" and someone said they heard rumors of a former PSU coach abusing kids. She went with it and now here we are.

NC_Buckeye's picture

So after seeing some of the tweets Sara is posting from the Freeh Report, I wonder what the PSU commentary will be for her now.

smith5568's picture

What really makes me even more enraged is the "spontaneous" release yesterday of Paterno's letter that stated this wasn't a football issue. He was trying to protect is empire and brand up until the very day he died. OF COURSE this was a football issue. The reason these atrocities weren't reported was to protected his football program, which in turn protected the University and the brand.
All he ever cared about was his football program and it's legacy. I wouldn't be surprised if all the great things he did in the community over the years were not done out of the goodness of his heart, but to build his brand. Large corporations employ the same strategy all the time.
I am completely disgusted.  

NC_Buckeye's picture

It's really creepy reading Sandusky's negotiations for his "retirement". It's plain as day NOW that he was trying to keep his primary mechanism in place for preying on these kids. That being their chance to be involved in Penn State football.
Sad to say this totally would have worked on me as a kid. Not Penn State program per se. I mean... well, you get what I'm saying.

hodge's picture

Very interesting theory from the open thread on BSD, from a user who read the entire report:

I think the 98 investigation heavily, heavily influenced future actions. I think that investigation established to everyone involved that Jerry was not a child molester but rather a man who had boundary issues, the police reports even backed that when they describe his behavior as not that of a predator. Every action they took after that appears to have been normal actions taken with a prestigious former employee, whether it was 2nd Mile support, access to facilities, emeritus status etc, they seemed to feel there was no reason Sandusky should be a liability.
I think that that investigation clouded their judgement of 2001. It seems that there was some telephone affect in place as well but the lack of reconciliation between Paterno/Mike and Schultz/Curley’s statements makes that cloudy. At this point Jerry had been established as a man with boundary issues, not molestation issues and I think in their minds when they heard of another shower incident, they just related it to the same level of importance they thought of the 1998 incident, not a serious one.

Now, I'm not saying that this is right by any means, and it doesn't change the fact that Paterno convinced Spanier, Curley, and Schultz not  to report Sandusky, but I wonder if this was part of the idea that this would be more "humane".  Perhaps Paterno's decision to protect the "brand" (which is still completely unforgivable, by the way) was partially influenced by the fact that he was completely unconvinced (from the '98 investigation) that Sandusky was a predator?

Maestro's picture

See NC Buckeye's post above about Sandusky being assessed and labled as someone who was likely a pedophile.

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NC_Buckeye's picture

It's plausible. But there is a lot of interpretation going into that assessment.  He's giving the cover-up four a huge benefit-of-doubt.
Tangentally, I'd like to know if that commentor gave Tressel a similar benefit-of-doubt when JT claimed he didn't report Pryor & Posey's impermissable benefits because he was afraid of interferring in a criminal investigation.
Anyways, a cover-up is still a cover-up regardless if they are trying to protect a friend with boundary issues or a scandal that would tarnish the program. It's an institution that doesn't recognize its limits.

hodge's picture

I completely agree.  Just a theory that piqued my interest.  This absolves no one, though the report does state that it was only after conferencing with Joe that they decided to not alert authorities.  I was merely remarking on a plausable motive that is outside the traditional "solely to protect the brand" idea.  A crime is a crime is a crime is a crime, regardless of why its committed.
All four committed an incredibly inhuman act, there's no getting around it.

Denny's picture

Tangentally, I'd like to know if that commentor gave Tressel a similar benefit-of-doubt when JT claimed he didn't report Pryor & Posey's impermissable benefits because he was afraid of interferring in a criminal investigation.

I know that it's interesting, and we largely tend to assume that this guy is a big meanie who was mean to Tressel, but at this point what's the point in trying to compare the degree of outrage at Ohio State vs. the outrage at Penn State?
I'm asking because I'm struggling to figure this out for myself; instinctively I found myself thinking "oh, good -- some PSU people were/are deluded and also happend to be assholes to us as a fanbase when the Pryor/Tressel news came out", but as I thought about it more there's no real comfort in watching the Penn State situation unfold. Horrible things happened, and the misdeeds that were done are orders of magnitude more atrocious than what happened in Columbus -- so why do we really need to psychoanalyze some other fanbase? 
Like I said, I've been doing it too -- but on a bit of further reflection, I don't know what (if any) good really comes from it. Anyone have a decent answer?

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NC_Buckeye's picture

That's a fair inquiry Denny... why bother to psychoanalyze another fanbase?
When I'd bring up to outsiders Tressel's motivation for not reporting, I was universally met with scorn. And in the end I made peace with it because wrong is wrong regardless of motivation. Ultimately I think this commentor is going to have to come to the same conclusion.
But getting back to your inquiry, I think I saw a pattern in rationalizing the transgression to make it seem not as bad. And although the calamity in State College is far more dire, I think the havoc both transgressions are having/did have on the two fanbases as pretty comparable. Eeerily comparable actually. So I find it interesting because it allows me to evaluate my own actions and those of the Buckeye fanbase in a less-homer way.
Also, I've been heavy on putting some of the blame for the cover-up on the PSU fanbase. This cult-of-Paterno aspect where Paterno is deified to the point where he is enabled to run State College like a despot. So I'm also psychoanalyzing them because I'm concerned that this is continuing unimpeded. This sort of craziness makes me question whether I want to attend the same athletic events as people who are clearly off their rocker.
How's that for an answer?
 

Denny's picture

This sort of craziness makes me question whether I want to attend the same athletic events as people who are clearly off their rocker.

That's an angle that I didn't think of, at all actually -- and it makes a good deal of sense. To a certain extent we're all a bit off our rocker when it comes to sport fandom, but by and large we don't have the same deification going on in Columbus that PSU did. Sure, Archie is always going to be loved, as is Woody (despite his flaws) but there has been a somewhat normal rate of turnover in OSU's football program and at the University that PSU didn't see. Their culture seems to have somehow enabled Paterno more than the culture in Columbus has enabled our coaches (or Cleveland writ large enabled LeBron before he left).
Like I said, I'm kind of thinking this thing out as a go, and it's not going to be anything that I get a good hold on for a while, but I appreciate the response. There aren't really concrete or good answers, but I think we genuinely can learn from the similarities between our situation and theirs -- an out-of-fanbase experience, if you will. As you said, there's a degree of rationalization-to-lessen-the-blow that's happened in Happy Valley (and I think happened/is still happening in Columbus); given enough time and effort it's possible to rationalize anything away. We should never do that, and hopefully we can keep Paterno as a cautionary tale.

Taquitos.

NC_Buckeye's picture

given enough time and effort it's possible to rationalize anything away. We should never do that, and hopefully we can keep Paterno as a cautionary tale.

Amen. Also interesting dialogue.
 

BrewstersMillions's picture

Ohhh go give @RoddyWhiteTV a look on the Twitters to see what stupid looks like in 140

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

Irricoir's picture

Knight, who called Paterno his hero, received the loudest ovations of the day as he criticized the school's board of trustees and other leaders. He painted Paterno as free of guilt in the entire Jerry Sandusky scandal.
"Whatever the details of the investigation, this much is clear to me: If there is a villain in this tragedy, it lies in that investigation, not in Joe Paterno's response," Knight said. He later earned roaring cheers by listing Paterno's accomplishments and then asking, "Who is the real trustee at Penn State University?" - Phil Knight

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Maestro's picture

Oh boy those comments carry so much more weight now.

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Maestro's picture

My God, the more I read this stuff the more devious it looks.  The timeline in 2001 is absolutely chilling.
Feb 10 McQueary tells Paterno, it then takes over 2 weeks for "the 4" to decide what to do, and it takes over 3 weeks for anyone to talk to Sandusky about it.  How many kids did Sandusky "wrestle" or shower with over those days?  Holy fuck how did these assholes sleep at night?

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William's picture

It's sickening, all of these men, when sentenced, should be placed in general population. Let them experience what they enabled.