Paterno's Exit Imminent

November 8, 2011 at 12:18p    by Jason Priestas    
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GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

Sandusky could be the inspiration for the old pedophile character on Family Guy. 

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

Mike's picture

Penn State and it's fans are getting a J. Walter Weatherman like lesson:

"...and that's why you don't throw stones when you live in a glass house."

poop's picture

You're awarded 1 internet.

Northbrook's picture

Take down that statue, remove him from the B1G trophy, reporting to university officials was not enough especially when they did not notify police, and that is not all of it.

BED's picture

Let the old man pretend to coach till the end of the season.  He's earned that much.

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TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

I whole-heartedly agree. Let him be carried off the field after PSU's bowl game.

I won't condemn JoePa entirely until we see how high up this went. The corruption may have gone all the way up to the District Attorney for all we know.

Nappy's picture

I'm sorry, but no.  I can't see how anyone thats complacent in this mess has earned anything but jail time.  The guy is a legend for sure, but that doesn't excuse his inaction.

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William's picture

Agreed Nappy. If there is information that he knew of this and never reported it, he is just as bad as Curley and Schultz, to perpetrate cover up or even allow for this to take place is as bad as committing the crime itself.

BED's picture

I think we're rushing to conclusions on what happened here.  I will not condemn JoePa until I know for a fact that he did something wrong.

The story we know so far is that he did what he was supposed to do.  Reported it to the AD and someone at the University.  He didn't have first hand knowledge of the incident, it was a Grad Assistant who reported the problem.  You can't just go making police reports on second-hand knowledge.  Should that GA have done more?  Absolutely.  But I can't pin this on Paterno, without more information that he knew of a much bigger problem.

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William's picture

I said If there is evidence that Paterno knew, if not then that's that.

BED's picture

That first reply was more directed at Nappy.

I agree, if it comes out that he knew more and did nothing, heads should roll.

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Nappy's picture

I would agree with this 100% if we were talking about a court of law. The court of public opinion is different and we are much quicker to judge, right or wrong.  I just cant give someone the benefit of the doubt, even a guy like Paterno, when there is evidence that more could have been done to prevent the raping of kids. 

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BED's picture

I think we should hold HIGHER standards for judging someone morally than legally.  It says something about us as a society that we are willing to rush to judgment to condemn a man who has been a pillar of the community (nationally, not just in PA) for 60 years.  You've got to believe that human nature is good, otherwise, the world is a sad, sad place.

I choose to not rush to judgment.  I'll form an opinion on JoePa's character in this matter after we have all the facts.  Not before.   I trust he did the right thing based on the facts he had at hand.  If I'm wrong, I'll admit it.  We just don't have enough information right now.

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Nappy's picture

Agreed that we have to hope human nature is good. I  try to give most people the benefit of the doubt even at times I probably shouldn't  I just have a hard time accepting that JoePa was made aware of the situation and didn't do more to stop it.  Maybe he did follow the rules that were in place and notified his superiors, but I can't for the life of me think that's doing enough. 

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BED's picture

It is difficult to believe.  Knowing what kind of man JoePa has always been, i.e., someone who helps kids grow into upstanding young men, there has to be more to this story.  That's another reason I won't judge him until more is known.  I won't repeat the comments below, but what BT and I were saying below is more of it.

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BED's picture

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faux_maestro's picture

You can't just go making police reports on second-hand knowledge.

 

 

Actually you can. The reporting laws exempt the person reporting from any repurcussions (i.e. they can't be sued for a false report). They usually also state that you must report if you suspect anything.

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BED's picture

to perpetrate cover up or even allow for this to take place is as bad as committing the crime itself.

Also, absolutely wrong.  You're comparing a doddering old man who maybe didn't report something he may or may not have had knowledge about to a child molestor.  Not okay.

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William's picture

In my eyes to cover up or allow for an act to continue that is so vile is just as bad as committing it.

BED's picture

So I kill someone, and you allow it, you're just as guilty of murder?!? No way.  Do you have moral culpability? Yes.  Is it equivalent? Not even a little bit.

We shouldn't start this argument, though.  It lasts forever, in my experience.

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Conroy's picture

Yes.  If I allow you to kill someone, I'm guilty of murder.  It doesn't matter if I didn't pull the trigger because I may as well have by dirrectly allowing you to do it.

BED's picture

Inaction /= Action

From a moral philosophy standpoint.

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741's picture

I'm no lawyer, but that sounds like the textbook definition of "accessory to murder" and in some places, yes, you are considered to be equally guilty as an accessory.

BED's picture

I am, and it's not.

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TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

As someone who has arduously studied philosophy, I'm siding with BED on this one. Inaction /= action.... Not even close.

The thing is, JoePa DID take action. Was it the correct action? According to the Grand Jury it was. Was it enough? I'm not sure. We'll have to see how things play out.

We can all be Captain Hindsight and say what we "would or should" have done in a similar situation, but you can't prove a negative.

William's picture

I'd completely disagree. Ask any Holocaust survivor if they feel that inaction /= action. They would all agree that inaction=action.

BED's picture

Inaction is morally wrong in cases like that and this (not that the two are close to comparable), but it isn't as wrong as the action itself.  Trying to say that it is, is deflecting blame from the actually responsible party.

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William's picture

I don't see it as deflecting blame but as blaming all those that are guilty. I guess we'll have to disagree on this matter. I do understand where you are coming from as a lawyer.

BED's picture

Yeah, I've had this exact conversation (from a purely philosophical standpoint) with my old roommates.  It was on New Years Day at 1:30am.  We were all very drunk.  It lasted until 4.  No one changed anyone's minds.  That's how it usually works, hence my comment above that this argument would go nowhere. :)

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TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

The law is not a reflection of how one feels. It should not be made on emotion. It should be made on reason. You should never have to risk your kneck or put yourself in harm's way to help another. If you WANT to do that, then by all means go ahead, and I believe that's laudable. It's what makes us human - we often do good things that have positive utility without having to be compelled to do them. But to say you have some sort of obligation is completely untrue. Furthermore, it should never be mandated by law or the decisions of armchair warriors. You cannot compel me to stick my kneck out for someone else.

BED's picture

This.

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NC_Buckeye's picture

And that's why I think whistleblowers are the truest form of an American hero. In almost every single case, they regret having come forward after the ensuing shitstorm swallows them up.

No good deed goes unpunished.

William's picture

See that is where I disagree Humble, I find that perfectly fine reasoning that if through your inaction another human is harmed, it is your civic duty to protect your fellow man.

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

Out of the ethic of reciprocity, which is a basic human tenant (i.e. I would want someone to do the same for me), I believe taking action would be the ethical thing to do. And I would certainly take action. However, I would never COMPEL YOU to take action. That is your moral choice. If I decide for you and compel you to take action whether through law/coercion/force, your action cannot be considered moral since you had no choice (even if it is the right thing to do). You cannot have morality without choice.

All that being said, this situation is much different than your Holocaust-inaction scenario because it does involve a child and taking action wouldn't necessarily risk harm to the witness. But it starts and ends with the first-hand witness, and that's McQueary.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

As I have said many times since this happened, I am a child abuse investigator.  On a daily basis I am subject to horror story after horror story relating to what people can do to kids. I see the effects it has on their day to day lives, and as a victim of such similar abuse myself, I know all too well how in stays with you into adulthood and manifests in ways you cant imagine. The worst part in all of this is those abused boys, now adult men, have in all likelihood not addressed their trauma and now live half-lives as a result.  Because I work in this profession and because I am a survior myself, I do have a unique understanding about the scope of this situation that maybe others do not.  This is not simply hearing that a child was punched in the face and has a black eye, and you do nothing. This is not seeing a child in dirty clothes and messy hair and not calling a child protection agency. These are boys who not only lost their innocence, but were also cheated out of their opportunity to heal and process their abuse so they could move on as productive adults. My heart breaks for these young men.

I also just can’t help feeling gut-wrenched for their fans. I know they throw beers at games and jabs about Tressel being a cheater and all that, but this is just so completely devastating, for their entire community. This is such a colossal, epic, unprecedented scandal and I simply cannot access a single feeling of smugness right now. Yes, they crucified us about Tatgate, but just imagine if this were happening in Columbus. This is not just a sad day for PSU, but for college football as a whole.

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Kurt's picture

Spot.  On.  Thank you.

Pam's picture

I would add that it is a sad day for the human race. We are supposed to proctect children.

Nick's picture

Only if they come out of the womb!

Maestro's picture

Thanks for sharing your perspective Angel.

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btalbert25's picture

We don't know the extent that Joe Pa was involved here folks.  Also, he's been a positive influence on young men and the Penn State Community for 50+ years. He and his wife have given more back to the university than probably any coach has ever given back to their respective university.  I'm not saying this absolves him of any wrong doing, I'm just saying I'm not tearing down his statue, condemning him to hell, or throwing him in jail about this just yet.  He's earned the right for the whole story as it pertains to his involvement to come out. 

BED's picture

So much this.

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onetwentyeight's picture

This is the rape of children (!!!) You can't "earn the right" to sit idly by and then slide on what is for all intents and purposese a technicality (OMG he told his "boss" ... instead of say ... THE POLICE). 

 

This is much bigger than football, or all the nice things JoePa did in the community, alright? I don't care how many schools you build or libaries you dedicate, when you let a Monster continue to prey on children, disadvantaged ones who trusted in the University, and specifically these coaches, to look over them, then all the goodwill you "earned" goes out the window in my book

 

How "positive" was his influence on the community when he allowed a child predator to roam for years and years AFTER he knew enough to ban him from bringing childen to campus? (and i'm saying "He" b/c we all know we is really in charge @ PSU, alright? Its JoePa. If he wanted something done, it wouldve happened.) 

BED's picture

No one's defending the pedophile here.  BT and I are just saying that JoePa doesn't deserve to be thrown under the bus unless and until we learn that he stood idly by while have first-hand knowledge of Sandusky's actions.

You can't just go around accusing people of raping children.  Even a proven false allegation can ruin someone's life forever.  If JoePa didn't know directly (rumors and hearsay are not direct knowledge), he did what he could to demand investigation, by all accounts.

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onetwentyeight's picture

"According to the grand jury, Paterno testified that the graduate assistant reported seeing Sandusky "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy." Those are the exact words from the presentment, "

 

( http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/11/08/penn-st...

 SI also has the PDF of the grand jury findings if anyone's interested in losing their lunch )

 

 

Seems pretty explicit to me what JoePa knew. 

You're right that, even knowing this, he did all that was technically obligated of him in this situation. But that was my point - he's hiding behind a technicality now. The HUMAN thing to do would've been to call the POLICE (it's PA Law to report any suspected cases of child molestation) ... or at the least, if you wanna blame his superiors for the inaction, why didnt JoePa follow up on any of these allegations .. anytime in the oh 10+ years after they were made? Why was Sandusky still on campus last week? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BED's picture

Again, not first-hand knowledge.  The Wetzel statements in the forum pieces are a pretty accurate description of how we (as humans) should be feeling.

JoePa has some explaining to do.  But we shouldn't condemn him until we hear him out.

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onetwentyeight's picture

I understand that he (like everyone else involved, including Sandusky) will get their chance to make their case, and we should hear them out. 

 

But ... ask yourself, what possible excuse could he have up his sleeve? I literally cannot imagine one potential scenario where his actions couldve been justified. If he claimed freaking Aliens abducted him that week he still should've done more ... in the years and years that followed.

 

The school banned Sandusky from bringing kids to campus (showing they were concerned enough about the allegations to do that ... but apparently not concerened enough to go to the police?), and JoePa thought "oh, that's that? My good friend Jerry is banned from bringing kids on campus ... buttt we'll just let him do whatever on the outside? Everything's chill?" (JoePa probably doesn't use the word 'chill' ..) 

 

 

 

 

BED's picture

I'd love to hear JoePa say chill.

Yeah, you're right.  It strains the imagination to think of an explanation.  But, my whole point is, I'm not judging till I hear it.

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NC_Buckeye's picture

I don't think you're going to get an explanation if I'm any judge of Paterno's character. I really think the federal Dept of Justice should be doing the investigation of the cover up at this point.

Is anyone else thinking that this will end with a plea bargain by Sandusky? Curley and Schultz's cases being dismissed? Spanier retires at the end of the year? Paterno at the end of the season?

You see where I'm going with this? There is a massive cover up going on here. It's very possible that the evidence you're waiting for will never become public knowledge.

The 1998 investigation is the key. If that hadn't occurred, then I'm willing to buy that Paterno simply didn't realize how serious the charges against Sandusky were. But this has been repeated by several cfb beat writers now. Paterno doesn't work for Curley and Spanier. He literally runs that university. If you think he wasn't aware of the findings of that 1998 investigation, then you're extremely gullible.

And Angel's right. Lost in all of this are the poor kids who are probably really messed-up adults because of all of this bullshit. That is directly on Paterno and McQueary as well as the others.

Paterno needs to resign or be fired immediately. Same for McQueary .

BED's picture

Fair points.  And, again, not forgetting the kids here.  This whole situation is awful.

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NC_Buckeye's picture

Bed, the final piece that sealed Paterno's involvement for me is Paterno's statement itself.

"As my grand jury testimony stated, I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker room facility,” Paterno’s statement read. “It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report. Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As Coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators."

He knew of the 1998 investigation. The above makes no sense. He's just trying to give himself an out. The Penn State community may be on board but I'm not buying it. This reeks of hypocrisy.

BTW, Wetzel agrees with me. Paterno either needs to be fired or retire or resign IMMEDIATELY.

BED's picture

Yeah, I read it.  It's confusing what he means.  And I know Wetzel agrees with you there.  But that's the only sentence where my point isn't valid.

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Buckeye in Athens's picture

Whole-heartedly agree. We as tOSU fans know what it is like for observers and opponenet fan bases to jump to conclusions before the facts are released. We should absolutely wait until all information is released before condemning JoePa or anyone else. 

BED's picture

This.

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btalbert25's picture

Also, Sandusky was a trusted friend and a guy Joe Pa knew for a long long time.  He was obviously duped by this monster, and you are correct in assuming that, but so was the charity he was so involved with, and the community who allowed him to have contact with the kids.  We don't know how the info was brought up to JoePa, we have no idea what his involvement was, and if someone told me a dear friend and co-worker I've known for a 20+ years was committing this kind of act, I may have a hard time accepting it.  I certainly wouldn't run strait to the police with information until I knew damn sure it was true. 

Riggins's picture

JoePa has a key to the city in State College.  He is the law.  People have said he is not guilty of anything legally if he informed his bosses, but he absolutely should have done more to make sure this was investigated, and resolved. This isn't somethiing you just "pass along" up the chain of command.  Such a shame for Joe.

acBuckeye's picture

I know this may not be completely appropriate based on the allegations, but I can't help but think that somehow ESPiN will twist this Penn State mess into how it was all Jim Tressel's fault. I bet the DERPS over at the WWLiSR are getting a big piece of PERSPECTIVE PIE right now.
 

ArTbkward's picture

In hindsight, retirement last year probably would have been a good idea.

 

Well, as would several other things.

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...
(Also, I'm not a dude)

BTwrestle04's picture

Not to pull an ESPN on this whole situation, but this could be a heated battle to get Urban Meyer between Penn State and Ohio State at the end of the year. 

JoshAlum's picture

Nope, Penn State can have him.

Give me Luke Fickell, with Josh McDaniel running the offense, and LeCharles Bentley Coaching O-line. 

BED's picture

+1

And with this comment, let the Urban bandwagon/coach argument shitstorm commence.  (Much like that storm in JoePa's pants back in '06.  Sorry, couldn't help myself.)

/thread derailed.

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Nappy's picture

Now that's some funny shit

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BTwrestle04's picture

Fickell is our head coach and our defensive coordinator for all intents and purposes and this has been by far our worst defensive unit in a decade. I realize the talent is young, but to pass the blame off as being Vrabel's fault is naive.

acBuckeye's picture

If you're Meyer, would you want to be the guy who replaces the legendary coach who covered up a child molestation nightmare? I wouldn't. So that leaves only Ohio State. However, if Fickel keeps it up and beats scUM, HE'S the man I want, along with Bro Vrabel. Get rid of everyone else.

RBuck's picture

Vrabel would be the last guy I'd keep on the defensive staff. The Buckeyes linebacker play this year has left a lot to be desired; and it's not just the talent. Regardless, we're stuck with him as long as Fickell is there. Hopefully Ficks gives him a crash course in coaching during the off-season.

And LeCharles Bentley? He'd likely be better than Bollman (who wouldn't) but he's never coached in his life and summer camps don't count.

I guess that I just don't understand some fans' fascination for hiring ex-players for coaches with no coaching experience.

 

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

M tots's picture

Not sure I completely understand the knocks on Vrabel.  The talent isn't there like it has been in the past.  Plus the ex-LB coach (Coach Fickell) is still on staff and also happens to be a close friend of Vrabel's.  So i guess my point is, has anything really changed in terms of LB coaching?

BTwrestle04's picture

You beat me to it by 1 minute.... Same thing I echoed above.

RBuck's picture

Yes it has changed. IMO the LB's are out of position more than I've seen in a long time. As for the talent, I think it's there. I also think that Fickell has a helluva lot to do in game prep rather than coach the LB's.

My best case scenario would be to bring in Urban and keep the whole defensive staff sans Vrabel (there wouldn't be room for him anyway).

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M tots's picture

The LB's are certainly built to stop the inside run (Wisconsin, anyone?). So they'll continue to look lost when forced to play in space.  Poor angles and average at best foot speed amount to guys being out of position quite a bit.  And no coaching can really cure that IMO

onetwentyeight's picture

Agree with this. Let Urban be in charge of the Offense (obviously) and some of the 'big-picture' stuff, like public functions and recruiting. Keep Fick and most of the Defensive staff, (minus Heacock) with some new talented additions. We should be good.

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cal3713's picture

Wishing that Heacock leaves is insane.

acBuckeye's picture

Yes, the LB play is b/c of the talent, or lack thereof. They are slow, there's no way around it. Give Vrabel some time, i just like his reported intensity. And actually i think Heacock is the one in charge of the defense. The reason i think this? B/c just like the last 10 years, they are a reactionary defense instead of a 2008 USC-type of aggressive defense.

M tots's picture

I too like Vrabel's intensity, as well as the playing experience he brings to the table

NH-IO's picture

Why do you suppose that Sandusky, well respected, high profile coach, architect of Linebacker U defensive schemes, when told in 1999 (not coincidentally the year that follows 1998) that he would not be the next head coach at Penn State simply retired?  He did not seek coaching employment elsewhere.  Did not seek a head coaching job at a lower level  university in order to work into a HC job somewhere, did not take a DC job at another major university. How to explain that?

Could it be that Penn State informed him that they would  provide him with a significant set of benefits if he faded quietly into retirement?  That they made this offer knowing full well that if he did apply for another job that a background check would be run and these issues would then come to light?

I think it is obvious that all of the upper athletic administration at Penn State, including Joe Paterno,  knew of his behavior from the 1998 allegations going forward and that they actively suppressed this information.

Unforgivable.  They should all be fired, right up to the university president.  Sandusky should spend the rest of his life in jail (in the general population, of course).

On the other hand, it is amazing the uproar over this behavior and the possible cover up of a single person's behavior by a rather small institution espousing character and moral values known only tangentially by in much of the United States while this exact behavior continues (multiplied by hundreds or thousands) widespread in one of the richest most influential organizations in history, an organization with millions of devout followers worldwide whose leader professes to be the mouthpiece of god.  And yet, in this context, its not even news anymore. 

klfeck's picture

"while this exact behavior continues (multiplied by hundreds or thousands) widespread in one of the richest most influential organizations in history," I did not know that this was still an epidemic in the Catholic church. Please cite your sources. I will post this link for your reading pleasure

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/04/07/mean-men.html

 

"an organization with millions of devout followers worldwide whose leader professes to be the mouthpiece of god." Are you insinuating that the Pope is crazy?

 

PS

I am not Catholic, I just don't appreciate attacks on entire groups of people of faith, many of whom are Buckeye fans.

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faux_maestro's picture

I know you didn't write this story but the headline:

The priesthood is being cast as the refuge of pederasts. In fact, priests seem to abuse children at the same rate as everyone else.

indicates that people believe that the Catholic Church is rife with pedos. It may well be that there are the same number of pedos in the church as there are everywhere else. The problem is the wide spread coverup.

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Doc's picture

There is absolutely no reason to drag politics and religion on to our beloved sports site.  By the way, the "G" in God is ALWAYS capitalized.

 

p.s.  I am Catholic and don't like the insinuation that all priests are pedophiles.

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M tots's picture

Don't we as Buckeye fans always get pissed off when other people judge us as an entire group based on stuff the "crazy 5%" of our fanbase does?  Shouldn't that same logic be applied when it comes to the Catholic Church?  

 

Either an entire group of people can be judged upon what a very small minority does (what you are trying to say about the Catholic Church) or they cannot be (what many of us here and on other fan-sites complain about when it comes to the OSU fanbase all the time).  You can't have it both ways, pick one.

BuckeyeChief's picture

Holy  f*ck. As a Catholic all I'll say is wow.

People are sick. Happens in the church, military, society. Just because a few priests made a deathly mistake, doesn't mean all priests are sick. Same for the Penn State fanbase; I would suspect most of their fans are decent everyday people.

 

 

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Abe Froman's picture

One of my fondestg memories so far of watching a game at the Shoe was the year a good friend and I braved the rain with his torn achilles to watch Penn State and OSU play in the early 2000's.  I think it was the Adam Talafero (sp) game, but the story was before the game:

As my friend and I got to the portico about an hour early, simply trying to get shelter from the rain, we found ourselves talking to some fans who had brought a case of beer.  Here we were, just inside the portico drinking (from the can) beer with these guys when I commented, "Wow, I've never had beer here before."  They responded that it was there first time there also, as they were from Penn State.  Needless to say, we finished quickly, thanked them for the cold ones and got inside. 

Note that this was before the prohibition era brought on by the police around 2006.

Basking in the wake of mediocrity.....

klfeck's picture

I couldn't agree more and I certainly don't envy the average Penn State fan for what they are and will be going through.

Kevin
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poop's picture

Joe Pa, you're f**cking out!

/Sorry

buckeyedude's picture

C'mon, cut JoePa some slack! He probably just forgot to call the police! What is he? 90 or something? I'm 47 and I can't remember what I had for dinner last night, for Pete sake!

 
 

klfeck's picture

You would probably remember if your neighbor told you that he caught one of your friends molesting the paper boy though.

Kevin
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klfeck's picture

I would preface this as a former fan of Joe Pa.

Best case scenario is that JoePa failed to perform his moral duty and inform the police or ensure that someone within his organization did inform the police. If that is true he should be forced to resign.

Worst case scenario is that he was actively complicit in the coverup and should be charged.

 

I personally hope that he is somehow exonerated of any wrong doing but I doubt that will happen.

Kevin
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Proud parent of a Senior at The Ohio State University

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Just reading some of the tweets from @JoeMcIntyre5 about Paterno's statement thru his window at home.

It sounds like he knows he wont be coaching anymore. This is so unbelievably sad on so many levels.
 

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

Anyone catch Matt Millen on ESPNU College Football Live at 6 tonight? Of course, he's biased since he played for JoePa. He would not come out and seek Joe's firing. I don't know (or remember) what stance he took on Tressel, but is there anyone at ESPN that is sitting on the fence over Paterno? They came after Tressel with guns blazing, looking for his blood. It sounds like they're going after Paterno with kid gloves and treating him like a king while they crapped over Tressel for weeks and months. It's another reason to hate ESPN. Tressel covered up some discounted tats. That's nothing compared to Paterno knowing a CRIME was committed and doing very little to report it. Joe should have gone to the police with it, as well as telling the A.D.; instead he did nothing to follow up on his buddy's crimes. 

toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

One more thing: Quit now, Joe!

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Fuck Jerry Sandusky, Tim Curley, Gary Schultz, Joe Paterno, and anyone else who didn't go to the police with their knowledge and allowed the molesting to continue, even if it was unintentional.  Pretty sure a graduate assistant isn't going to make shit like that up about a very decorated assistant coach.  Not sure what there is to interpret or question.  It just makes me sick for those poor kids and their families. 

And also a big FUCK YOU to that fat ass, ignorant fucking asshole Bob Ryan.  While people are suffering, he takes an opportunity to take a shot at Jim Tressel.  Somebody should just beat the shit out of him...it would change his life.

End rant.

Class of 2010.

Maestro's picture

The second that Joe Pa said this

"If true, the nature and amount of charges made are very shocking to me and all Penn Staters. While I did what I was supposed to with the one charge brought to my attention, like anyone else involved I can't help but be deeply saddened these matters are alleged to have occurred."

I lost a lot of respect for him. 

The middle line in that quote speaks volumes to me.  It's the statment of someone who did absolutely the minimum to simply pass the buck of responsibility.  He told his boss and washed his hands of it.  Certainly someone with his power and influence could have and should have done more IMHO.

vacuuming sucks

NW Buckeye's picture

You pretty much summed up the reasons why JoPa has to be let go.  It is a known fact that JoPa was/is PSU.  No amount of pressure when he was experiencing a downturn in the mid 00's could force him into retirement.  The AD, Pres, and Trustees let him run the show.  And, this is the result.  It is sad that it came to this, but it did.  Maybe this is a good reason to not keep public employees past their 65th B-day (or some other magical age).  I really don't think this could have or would have happened when JoPa was younger. 

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

Off topic: Does anyone else think Fickell from 20 yards away looks like Adam Sandler? 

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

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"The board of directors is very concerned about the chain of events that have occurred," trustee Paul Silvis told the newspaper while confirming the meetings. 

"We're making sure we put processes in place so that we never have anyone in a position of trust ever violate young boys ever again," Silvis told the paper. "It's just shameful what happened. We need to focus not on football, not on Paterno or any of that crap. It's about putting systems, procedures, checks and balances in place so this can never happen ever again." 

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten