It's Official: FSU QB Jameis Winston Won't Be Charged With Sexual Assault

December 5, 2013 at 2:00p    by DJ Byrnes    
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FSU QB Jameis Winston

Jameis Winston will not be charged for an alleged sexual assault that took place last year:

So there you have it. Florida's state attorney's office took over the investigation, and today its investigation came to a conclusion. You can read the full document dump from the case HERE.

Florida State faces Duke in the ACC championship game on Saturday. Jameis Winston, the Heisman-frontrunner, is expected to start. If you're thinking a conspiracy is afoot, stop:


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jedkat's picture

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osu07asu10's picture

KOBE!!!

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Doc's picture

Did not see that coming.

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droessl's picture

I see many downvotes in 00BUCK's future

Oyster's picture

Which is too bad, IMO.  I always found his posts to be somewhat entertaining.  I'm sure he will be reincarnated soon though. 

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osu07asu10's picture

Which is too bad, IMO.  I always found his posts to be somewhat entertaining.

Always? He's been around for 5 weeks and has less helmet stickers than ray small...

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

Oyster's picture

He came in strong and never failed to amuse.  I give him credit for lasting as long as he has, based on some of the things he posted.

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osu07asu10's picture

haha I appreciate your optimism and enthusiasm regarding his time on 11w

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

AlphaMaleBettor's picture

Anybody else think the DA was pressured? haaa rhetorical question, of course he was!
Not that Winston would've been found guilty anyways be these crooked Southerners.
I think it's funny how Bobby Bowden was interviewed last week and he was all (paraphrasing): "awww, Willie Meggs is honest, he's a straight shooter, blah blah blah....I've tried to get him to go on easy on our players before..."
He actually said he's tried to get the DA to go easy on his FSU football players. No one is talking aobut this.
 

Unky Buck's picture

To me it's pretty clear Bowden was saying he wanted Meggs to go easy on his players and he didn't. He's saying that the guy is going to do an honest investigation. Other than Bowden trying to get a DA to give special treatment, which he apparently didn't do, I don't see how this makes Meggs any less credible. And with that, I don't see why anyone else would need to dwell on that. It's not Bowden's team and Meggs is now the SA, not the DA. It's a non-issue in my book.

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Buckeye777's picture

Did anyone hear Willie Meggs the State Attorney say something about having to reach out or find an Ohio prosecutor for some unknown reason??
 
Is it possible that there was an unsolved case in Ohio that the DNA matches??
 
Just saying, it was wierd for Meggs to mention Ohio Prosecutor and having to find him and didn't go into any further detail....
 
I may have missed part of his conversation but thought I heard him mention something to that accord... did anyone else hear that?  Not jumping to any conclusion but Why did he need to find or get a hold of a Ohio Prosecutor>?
 

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Doc's picture

At least now we can get back to focusing on MSU.

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Earle's picture

Stay tuned to 11W for 9Route's announcement on the Jameis Winston investigation tomorrow morning at 10.

Italics are for emphasis.

Oyster's picture

You have been waiting to post that all day, haven't you?

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jeremytwoface's picture

Hahaha... If so, it's totally worth it.

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Earle's picture

You are so cynical.

Italics are for emphasis.

Oyster's picture

Well, it explains why you were off your game earlier today.  You couldn't focus properly, knowing the zinger you had waiting in your back pocket.    

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Earle's picture

That is a matter of opinion.  I think all my comments are top notch.

Italics are for emphasis.

Hovenaut's picture

Where is the Niner?
Is he on special assignment?
About ready to greenlight an 11W APB....

chicagobuckeye's picture

He won't be charged, and listening to the DA he continues to say that there "Isn't enough evidence to prosecute". He has shied away from saying no sexual assault occurred.

yrro's picture

That's because it's not his job to say that. If he were sure of that, he would be bringing charges against the woman victimized for false accusations.
It's an unfortunate fact about sexual assault accusations, especially those involving alcohol, that's it's super hard to prove in a court what did or didn't happen.
That said, a university or football coach does not usually have the same standard of proof as a court of law. Preponderance of the evidence can be enough to get you kicked out of school. If this were any other student, there is a decent chance that FSU would do their own additional investigation and consideration.

Buckeyefan52's picture

I heard he could still face charges for what he did to Clemson 

00Buck's picture

Clemson and tOSU have something in common......... WE BOTH GOT BOMBED...... we by USAF....them by the seminoles !

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TMac's picture

We now return you to your regularly scheduled B1G Championship Discussions! 

Go1Bucks's picture

This was swept under the rug in typical Florida fashion. Im sure boosters and anyone with a tie in will using all the $$ at their disposal to protect him.
 
Dude just stated that there was a sexual event that was claimed to be forced on her side and consensual on his. Essentially, the assault occured and they cant prove it, so they have to let him go - he gets the benefit of doubt, not her

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Unky Buck's picture

Let's look at this reasonably and without biased glasses for a second... (FWIW, I'm not claiming he's innocent or that he did it...just want people to take a step back before wrongfully slamming others based on an opinion)
Her story all of the sudden has quite a few holes in it. Many of the things she claimed are not exactly how they appeared to be several weeks ago. They know that a sexual event occurred (this is NOT assault, but just stating that fornication happened). He has claimed it was consensual since the story broke while she's calling for rape. At this point, there are too many inconsistencies in her story that are causing her claim to be murky and less believable. It's not saying that it didn't happen, but without any consistent evidence, we can't just assume she was assaulted. Everyone is so quick to jump on Jameis and the SA, but until there is evidence that something like that actually occurred (i.e. like we all wanted others to do with Carlos Hyde), let's not jump on these people.

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IGotAWoody's picture

Can you elaborate on these "inconsistencies"? And not the "she said the guy was 5'9" and Jameis is 6'2", because, at this point, one of the things we DO know is that she and Jameis had sexual contact. I'm just curious, you seem to know something that the rest of us haven't heard yet. The biggest inconsistencies in this case actually come from the Tallahasee "Police", who say that they stopped investigating because the accuser didn't want to press charges (a lie, her attorney says that's not correct) and didn't send the rape kit in for testing until over 5 weeks later. Also, the other DNA found in her underwear WAS from her boyfriend at the time, which is completely logical. Her boyfriend had NO involvement in the event in question.

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osu07asu10's picture

Scroll down a bit to see mine and Unky's explanation

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IGotAWoody's picture

Yeah, the more I read, the more it seems that Meggs didn't have enough to proceed with prosecution. At the very least, Winston was guilty of poor judgment. I hope, for her sake, it wasn't more than that.

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OSUNEA1986's picture

They don't have to let him go. This should have been decided by a jury, not by the DA.
Frankly this is BS. Expected BS, but BS nonetheless.
At no time has this woman recanted or been shown to be less than credible.
The DA is being irresponsible, but what's new.
While I am not arguing Winston's guilt, there's no evidence that it wasn't rape. Essentially, this is a enormous setback to our society.
Message received: If you've been raped (male or female), don't bother reporting because if it's in the best interest of (university, DA power, NFL, ESPN, Corporation X...) it won't merit consideration by a jury, regardless of credible evidence.
And Kyle: your text is offensive: shoplifting is not on par with sexual assault.
 

biggy84's picture

Why wouldn't Winston meet with the police? If he had nothing to hide, why not clear his name instead of hiding behind an attorney and maintain silence?

yrro's picture

Because everyone has something to hide (even if it's just "oh crap, I misremembered a detail, this was a year ago"), and no lawyer worth his degree will let his client go talk to the police just to "clear his name."

IGotAWoody's picture

UNLESS, you feel confident your client is innocent and you have motivation to resolve the case with expediency.

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UABuckeye's picture

Her recollection of the story was totally inaccurate. She lied about not knowing who Jameis was previous to the act as proved by her pictures with him on social networks. She lied about being intoxicated as proved in toxicology report. Several witnesses, Two of which, signed legally affidavits stated they witnessed the acts and no sexual assault took place. So maybe next time you read the report before you make uniformed, asinine comments on this case or society at large. 

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IGotAWoody's picture

"two witnesses stated they witnessed the acts and no sexual assault took place"? You don't see red flags from that alone?
Also, your throwing a whole lot of info out there that I've not seen before, can you identify the source? Like the FB pics, for example. Your the first person I've heard talk about that. Where did you hear all this other info?
Also, she didn't lie about being intoxicated. She admitted that she was drinking, and a blood alcohol test when she went immediately to the hospital with roommates was a .04. The SA extrapolated her blood alcohol to be .10 based on the time frame.

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00Buck's picture

IS this where I say told you so !  HE IS GUILTY AS SIN, but cleared by an INNEPT POLICE DEPARTMENT.......... The victim still maintains his guilt.........  How much more do you need......ok ANONYMOUS.......... Where are you when she needs you........ one thing I am happy about (I have 2 daughters) in OHIO YOU ARE FREAKIN GUILTY IF YOU ARE MALE  PROVE YOUR FREAKIN INNOCENCE........   THIS JUST PISSES ME OFF AS I AM A FATHER TOO !   FREAKING REDNECKS     

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Jack Fu's picture

LOOOUUUUD NOISES!

osu07asu10's picture

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

I don't know what much more in the way of evidence you'd need. 

Class of 2010.

zjhousley's picture

After seeing some of the evidence or lack of... i am not sure I blame them on not charging them.  The young lady had a BAC of .04 and didnt remember who she went home with or where.  Winston's DNA wasn't the only male DNA found during the rape kit.  I am by no means saying he is completely innocent.  But those things probably led to them believing they couldnt get a conviction

OSUNEA1986's picture

So rape cannot occur if someone drinks alcohol?
How do you or anyone else know she wasn't gang raped?
Do you have any understanding of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder?
There is plenty of room here charges to be brought and a jury to decide.
Goodness, I'm really frightened. My niece is a freshman at Alabama this year. I sadly feel the need to educate her: Athletes have license to rape. 

NoVA Buckeye's picture

More like 

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Chief B1G Dump's picture

Still the Free Shoes University crimiNoles in my book.
Whatever happened, I hope justice is truly served.

I still think Dook upsets a full strength FSU.

justanotherbuckeye22's picture

Wonder  can the  feds  pick it  up now?

osu07asu10's picture

No. It isn't a civil rights case and the law in question was not a federal law but a state law.

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

jeremytwoface's picture

I asked this in the other thread but I'll say it again here...
 
Did the accuser say she didn't want to be involved? That's the only reason I can see them not being able to charge him. 
If she was willing to testify that she was raped AND there was DNA matching Winston's, how could they NOT charge him?
 
I feel like she had to have said she didn't want to be involved in any court case or anything.

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osu07asu10's picture

Multiple male DNA found in her panties.

Her unable to remember the time/place/location of the rape
Her claiming to have been too intoxicated to remember but only have a BAC of .04 and no other traces of illegal drugs in her system.
Her inability to identify Winston until more than a month after the alleged rape
Her inability to accurately describe Winston physically

Yeah, I can't see how they didn't press charges either...

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

jeremytwoface's picture

1.) Could have been her boyfriend or someone she had consensual sex with before the rape.
2.) She was intoxicated
3.) How long did it take her to have her blood drawn? Did the BAC go down between then and the rape?
4.) If she was intoxicated, she might not have remembered as many details. Maybe someone she was with came forward and said she went off to into a bedroom with Winston.
5.) If you're talking about the height thing, how easy is that to mess up? I'm 5'10... If I saw someone who was about a head taller than me, I'm not sure I could accurately give you a height to go by... Especially if I was intoxicated.
 
 
Look, I'm not saying he's definitely guilty. I'm just trying to think like a lawyer and bring up some valid questions.

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osu07asu10's picture

They say she went to the TPD within 1 hour of the alleged rape.

My point is, there was significant doubt in the case, so much so, that the state attorney believed he could not prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

You have to remember, it would be reckless of any prosecutor to bring charges against someone when significant doubt existed from the on set.
EDIT: and if you are trying to think like a lawyer, you have to take all emotion out of it and look at the facts. The actual facts or evidence of this case suggests a very weak case against Winston, with a significant amount of doubt as to whether he committed a crime or not. 

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

jeremytwoface's picture

Yeah...
I'm just not sure what the "significant doubt" would be. That she said she was drinking a lot and wasn't drinking quite as much? That doesn't seem THAT significant to me... But I'm no lawyer so who knows.
 
There's nothing anyone can do about it now I guess.

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osu07asu10's picture

The doubt is that she could not provide any details about the alleged rape.

She could not provide the time, she could not provide the location, she could not accurately describe the alleged rapist for more than 1 month. 
She said she was so intoxicated that she could not remember anything, but only had a BAC of .04, which is well within the legal limits to operate a motor vehicle, let alone remember basic facts. She did not state being traumatized by the rape as the reason for her inability to remember what had happened but rather her level of intoxication.
She had multiple male DNA on her underwear. IF physical signs of rape were present, there is a 50/50 chance it was the other male.
She said it was rape, he said it was consensual. According to Winston's lawyers, he has eye witnesses who say it was consensual, she does not have any witnesses who can say it was rape.
Again, I am not stating at all that he is innocent, or guilty. I am simply pointing out the facts that have come out in the case and that they do establish some level of doubt.

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

Unky Buck's picture

That's inherently the problem, JTF, there are A LOT of maybes in your scenario. Maybes cause reasonable doubt. I've said it before...not saying he did or didn't do it, but the fact that her story is inconsistent with reports and tests won't allow for any sort of charges to be filed.
And just to be a little clearer on something, .04 BAC isn't intoxicated. A .04 BAC in a 120 lb female is equivalent to 1 drink (as it was determined she had in her investigation, not the 5 shots she claimed, which, at the same weight...assuming of course...she'd be at .21, or more than twice the legal limit). At .04, she'd probably be a little chatty, as we all tend to be after a few drinks, but still fairly coherent as to what's going on around her.
And even if the toxicology test was taken a little bit later, it doesn't drop drastically. It eases out of your system slowly. It wouldn't have dropped .15 in a couple hours. To put it another way, it would take about an hour or longer for 1 drink to be processed by the body.
She may have certainly had more than one and the test won't show that (so you're correct there) if it was taken well after the fact, but all indications are that she wasn't as drunk as she was claiming to be. So again, it comes down to the consistency in her claim that she was completely intoxicated and had no recollection of where she was (someone with a BAC between .21 and .30) and the toxicology report stating that it was .04. With no other drugs found in her system, there's too large of a gap there for it to be considered credible.

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jeremytwoface's picture

Good points Unk and OSU/ASU.... 
 
It probably is emotion from me talking. I'm thinking more along the lines of "it's still possible he raped her" and not "how can they prove that he raped her."

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osu07asu10's picture

There is definitely smoke, usually always is in a case like this.
Maybe I've just been desensitized to it from dealing with legalities for such a long time but in this case, I think Meggs did a satisfactory job with the shit sandwich the TPD handed him.

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

Unky Buck's picture

It happens, JTF. OSU/ASU made a good point in that there is fire here and I was on the side of the female when I first heard all of this, but I also prefer to hold judgment until facts start coming out. Things still seem off, but all things involved with her story lead to absolutely no way they can convict him. That's Meggs's job to determine and he sees no way that the state can win this trial given the evidence at hand. It sucks, but it's the way of our judicial system. We can't convict someone because we don't like the idea that it COULD HAVE happened.

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Urban Nation Army's picture

They extrapolated it to be .10 at the time of the sexual encounter.

Bet you can't say "Bert Bielma is a bumbling buffoon" five times fast.

OSUNEA1986's picture

What relevance does this have? BTW:You can't extrapolate a blood alcohol level with much accuracy. We have some idea, based on BMI, but it's not terribly accurate.

OSUNEA1986's picture

I'm a biochemist/physician and your science as stated above isn't correct.
It's also irrelevant to this case.
You're oversimplifying the case to rationalize them not charging him.
Open your eyes gentlemen. Again, I am not interested in pronouncing Winston guilty, but I don't see sufficient rationale for this good ol boy Willie to have let this one go.
Further, I've yet to see any comments here that can support it either.
Drunk people get raped.
Women metabolize alcohol quite differently than men, yet we still use the "science" that is based on male metabolism in healthcare today.
But again, alcohol should have nothing to do with it.
A jury should have been allowed to decide on the credibility of her story/facts/his story. Not a politician. 

osu07asu10's picture

The alcohol plays a factor because she used it as a reason for not being able to remember facts about the alleged rape.

She claimed to have at least 5 drinks (shots I believe) when in actuality it was quite a bit less than that, more like 1 drink. The "discrepancy" calls into question her credibility and on the stand, she would get flat out hammered by the defense for this. (ie "so what was it? was it 1 beer? 4 beers? what kind of liquor? if you CANT REMEMBER THE DRINK, how can you accurately remember the person who assaulted you?...this line of questioning). Believe me, the defense would rip her apart for that.

She also couldn't accurately describe him physically. According to the police report, she could only describe him as an African American male. She believed he was 5'10", Winston is listed at 6'4". Again, the defense would rail on this point, showing how big of a difference 6" can make. Yes, they slept together, but all of these discrepancies call into question her credibility, because it would ultimately come down to his word versus hers which brings me to....
Winston had eye witnesses, she did not. 

Everyone needs to not look at this emotionally. From a legal standpoint, you have to look at the facts and the evidence of the case. Nobody is saying Winston is innocent or guilty. The facts that the state attorney had showed significant doubt in Winston's guilt.  It would be reckless of the state attorney to bring forth charges with such inconsistencies in the accusers account, lack of eye witnesses corroborating her account, and eye witnesses supporting the defendants.
 

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

OSUNEA1986's picture

Not reckless at all. There are just as many arguments available to explain her lack of detail as you have to question her credibility. Hence the need, no expectation or better: requirement of a trial by jury.
Instead we have 70 year old Willie the politician having decided this case. Your thinking isn't without merit, it's simply one-sided.
The facts are not enough to diminish her credibility, therefore, the facts should be further investigated and brought to trial.
It's not the D.A.'s job to determine guilt. It's only to determine if there is evidence that is credible against the accused. An accuser and DNA is commonly sufficient in a rape case unless there is fact that changes the time frame or discredits the accuser's ability to bear witness.
 

Unky Buck's picture

It's not the D.A.'s job to determine guilt.

He didn't determine guilt. He has basically said that there isn't enough evidence to get this to trial. That's exactly what OSU/ASU and I have been saying here. There are too many holes in her details that will leave enough doubt to ever convict him. This isn't saying he did it or not, they're saying that the evidence at hand, which would be the same evidence if it went to trial, would not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did it. 

There are just as many arguments available to explain her lack of detail as you have to question her credibility.

This is inherently where the problem in your thinking lies. You want it to go to trial so badly and are using this line of thinking to justify why it should. None of the so-called arguments that you would like to use as to her lack of details are supported by factual statements. Her story varies way too much. That is fact. She claimed she was practically unconscious and drunk. The toxicology report and bar where she was at say otherwise. You can claim drugs did it, but she came back clean. You can make an excuse and claim such and such reason may be why she doesn't remember it all, but the truth of the matter is that what she used as a reason for her foggy memory appears to be unsubstantiated. You can't disregard that and just say "Hey, send it to trial regardless!" Without a solid amount of facts and evidence that prove what she said is true, an acquittal is all but certain.
And understand, we're not saying this didn't happen. But OSU/ASU and I are looking at this from a factual standpoint with emotion left aside and there are far too many holes and variances in her story that will make it difficult for any prosecutor to win. They stood no chance in winning this case if it went to trial. And that's where you claim all of the facts would be further investigated. That's not how it really works, though. All they would be doing is presenting the facts uncovered in the investigation. A bunch of new evidence isn't likely coming up at that point. So what Meggs had was what he was likely going to be going to trial with and he clearly saw that nothing he had would lead to a winning case.
The bottom line is prosecutors won't go to trial without sufficient evidence against someone and the fact that her story is wildly inconsistent and other claims appear to be a little skewed leaves way too much room for reasonable doubt.

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OSUNEA1986's picture

The goal of the D.A./prosecution isn't to make a decision about whether they will win (=guilt); it's simply to determine if there is evidence present that can be presented to a jury of one's  peers.
Your argument is that Willie decided he couldn't win, so won't bother. You also argue that all the facts are available which is likely not true. The purpose of a trial is to make the evidence available to a group of citizens who then decide whether or not the evidence meets criteria to determine innocence or guilt. Not the D.A.
This young woman has had that right taken from her. The young woman may not have the knowledge base to explain the perceived discrepancies in her story. But experts might. The prosecutor's job is to pursue that information.
Again, as a biochemist, I could easily provide explanation for why she may have been more intoxicated than the numbers suggest. As an experienced clinician, I could easily provide reasons why her recall of events is "choppy" or disjointed and indeed, might improve with time and appropriate treatment.
My point is: a trial would allow both sides to present their case to 12 people, not one. The trial also provides time to have experts provide information. If during that time the effort becomes futile, the charges could be dropped. Not charging him now may well leave a rapist in society. That's an enormous price to pay. 
It simply seems that greater consideration has been given to the accused than to the accuser. He hasn't been exonerated but she hasn't had an opportunity for justice. His case has been heard, hers hasn't.
I hope she pursues her civil options against the Tallahassee police and Winston.

osu07asu10's picture

It's only to determine if there is evidence that is credible against the accused.

 
Exactly. He did just that. Do yourself a favor and read all of the documents that Jack Fu linked below. The accuser's OWN friend diminished her credibility by directly contradicting what she told authorities.

Her other friend she was apparently with at the bar that night flat out refused to cooperate with authorities.
 

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

OSUNEA1986's picture

See my post above. Please review definition of ignorant.

wpitt41's picture

I just watched the tail end of the press conference, but did anyone else find it odd that the DA kept referring to the accuser as "the victim"?
There also seemed to be a lot of laughing for something of such a serious nature.
Hopefully they got this right!

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00Buck's picture

To the D.A. it is all funny.........   the FSU supporters filled his pockets..... SHE IS NOW OFFICIALLY A VICTIM.............   was I the only one to hear "The victim was adament that she was raped"  strange I got -3 negatives...... See if I give anything advanced HERE again...oh well live and learn

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osu07asu10's picture

By advanced...do you mean total BS, contrived, drivel?

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OSUNEA1986's picture

Trying to help you out here, But it won't let me upvote you.
I think the diversity on this forum is too broad for this discussion. It's sad, but there is still a Neanderthal perception of rape among many in our society (and I include women as well).

Squirrel Master's picture

I still want FSU to crap the bed against Duke so we can beat an SEC team to shut them the hell up.
only issue I see with this is now all the Heisman voters are just going to run out and cast their ballots for him to win. They won't even wait to see what happens this weekend which could make a difference.
but if OSU does face FSU in the NC, I'm glad its not a Winstonless team. I can't wait for everyone to see what we all know, this team is worthy. Although even if OSU does beat FSU, they'll still say it wasn't against an SEC team.

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byblosbuck's picture

Sorry folks.Its the south,and florida,where G W.with his money and hundreds of lawyers stole the 2000 election. but now that no charges are made,can we at least see a pic. of the acuser.Does anyone have a pic ??

Bucks43201's picture

Boooo! Let's not even talk about oBama's shady Chicago politicking

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byblosbuck's picture

Just so you know, i am not a fan of Obama either !!

Alpo's picture

No politics on this site guys! Keep it to yourselves.

AAStagg's picture

This is good news.  Now FSU won't have any excuses when the Buckeyes lay a whooping on 'em.

Keep calm.  It's only a game.

SilverState's picture

You do realize that just because the Prosecutors felt there was insufficient evidence, it doesn't mean that she wasn't raped?

justanotherbuckeye22's picture

Win  Saturday ,so we  can  spank  FSU in  title  game

00Buck's picture


 

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Buckeye777's picture

Did anyone hear Willie Meggs the State Attorney say something about having to reach out or find an Ohio prosecutor for some unknown reason??
 
Is it possible that there was an unsolved case in Ohio that the DNA matches??
 
Just saying, it was wierd for Meggs to mention Ohio Prosecutor and having to find him and didn't go into any further detail....
 
I may have missed part of his conversation but thought I heard him mention something to that accord... did anyone else hear that?  Not jumping to any conclusion but Why did he need to find or get a hold of a Ohio Prosecutor>?

Buckeye1

RedStorm45's picture

He reached out to the Ohio Prosecutor in an attempt to find a witness.

wpitt41's picture

I believe that the accuser's boyfriend is from Ohio (or lived here), they needed to match his DNA as it was found on her clothing as well. Someone correct me if that is inaccurate.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Just from the little I know, this appears to have been too weak a case to go to trial with. The accuser was not going to be a strong witness, and that's a fatal flaw, even without taking into account the notorious track record of Florida juries.

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William's picture

I can understand why they didn't/couldn't charge Winston, was expecting it. But this Tim Jansen guy is coming off as a complete McAsshole. I mean good lord, someone please sock this guy right now. Sanctimonious douchebag. 

UCBuckeye's picture

I don't know if anyone else saw this, but when Tim Jensen was being questioned by media one of the reporters asked if the victims family was associated with the University of Alabama.

GoBucksToledo's picture

Don't understand why they scheduled a 2 PM press conference (even though the info leaked out beforehand) to say "Nothing to see here."  Why not just say it at 9 AM?

prevetbuck's picture

I really, really hope this means it was one of the miniscule number of false accusations that actually do occur... Not that I want Jameis Winston to have suffered damage to his reputation for no reason, but because I have seen the other side of this too many times. Women who have in fact been raped or assaulted and tried to allow the legal system to determine the truth, only to see the perpetrator remain completely free and feel like nobody believed them. Lives are shattered this way. I hope hers isn't.

Jack Fu's picture

Documents of the TPD investigation here.
From what I can tell, the inconsistencies cited by the State are that the accuser initially claimed she had five mixed drinks and a shot, was intoxicated, and "blacked out." Investigation led to 1. the accuser's blood sample having a BAC much too low to be considered "intoxicated," and 2. an interview with one of the accuser's friends, in which the friend said that the accuser told her she "got hit on the head and blacked out when the incident occurred."
Foreign DNA was recovered from the accuser's face, underwear, and shorts. The DNA from her face was insufficient to yield any findings. The DNA from the underwear was determined to belong to Winston. The DNA from the shorts was determined to belong to a known acquaintance of the accuser, Jamal Roberts.
Ronald Darby and Christopher Casher provided affidavits to the State, saying that they were at the bar that night and the presumed accuser gave Casher her number earlier in the night, then later began talking to Winston. They both allege that she followed them out of the bar when they left and, according to Casher, "invited herself" into their cab. They both allege that she was not intoxicated and was "conversing" with them. They both allege that she "followed" Winston into their apartment and then into Winston's room. Because the light remained on, and because the door's lock was broken and the door wouldn't close, Casher and Darby allege that they looked inside and saw the accuser performing oral sex on Winston, and then saw them "taking each other's close off," before engaging in additional sexual acts. Casher and Darby allege that Casher went into the room (in his initial affidavit he said he went in to "embarass" Winston; in a subsequent interview he said he went in both to embarass Winston and inquire as to whether he could join in, as apparently has occurred between them). They both allege that when Casher went into the room, the accuser told him to "get out." They both allege that she got up, turned the lights off and attempted to close the door. When that failed, the accuser and Winston went into the bathroom. They both allege that approximately twenty minutes later the accuser and Winston left the apartment. Casher alleges that the two were conversing "in a friendly manner."
When the blood test results came back showing that the accuser had an extremely low BAC and no drugs in her system, the detective informed the accuser's counsel. When he did not hear back, around February 11, 2013 he put the case on "open but inactive" status, where it remained until a member of the media made a request for the records in November. The case was reopened. Darby and Casher provided DNA samples as well, neither of which matched anything found on the accuser.
Based on the foregoing, as well as interviews the State and FSU police conducted with the accuser and friends of the accuser, the State's Attorney determined that they did not have probable cause to pursue charges. I present this without comment.

osu07asu10's picture

Thank you Jack Fu!

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

Unky Buck's picture

It definitely solidifies what we were saying up above, OSU/ASU, but people are going to believe what they want in the end....rationally or irrationally.

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BammBammRiley's picture

For what it is worth, grain of salt and all that, her and her sorority friends had a group who refered to themselves as "cleatchasers", with that as a twitterhandle, later deleted after the accusations came to light.

http://www.terezowens.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/unnamed.png

http://www.terezowens.com/heres-what-allegedly-happened-in-the-jameis-wi...

those basically some up the gossip versions of what happened in short. You can also find a link to a picture of ur but I'm not posting that direct link.

BammBamm is my dog, Riley is my 4 yr old daughter, and THE Ohio state Buckeyes complete the three most sacred loves I cherish

Jonnferrell's picture

I realize we don't have much info on the case, but doesn't this remind anyone of the Se'von Pittman case from last year that resulted in Pittman transferring to Akron?  There were two other OSU players involved in that case, including Kyle Dodson.  The most I can find on the situation is that there was supposedly "nothing to see here." I guess my point is not that the young lady was or was not telling the truth, but that young athletes--especially those with promising futures are attractive to young ladies (surprise, surprise).  That is a perk of being an athlete.  I have played guitar in bands for much of my life.  I love playing guitar, but an interesting perk is that sometimes an unattractive guy like me would get attention from attractive young ladies (or today, even older ladies).  Now there are all kinds of women in those situations and there are all kinds of guys that take advantage of those situations.  You learn quickly even when you are a single guy to stay away from certain types of people and not let them into your life because there are some nice people out there and some crazy people out there.  I have to admit, that I made some mistakes before I learned that important survival skill.  I'm sure that there were mildly alcohol fueled occasions where I could have been accused of something that I didn't do if some crazy person wanted to do what crazy people do.  The good thing for me is that I was never going to be a rock star and make zillions of dollars.  What's my point?  Young guys and young girls can make mistakes and those mistakes can even look ugly to outsiders.  Sometimes people want to rewrite the history of the night before.  I have friends that work in law enforcement and in the court system here in Columbus.  They are OSU football fans just like we are.  They would not protect someone that committed a heinous crime against someone--OSU star or not.  People in those situations see a lot of ugly things and they want to do what they can to protect victims and bring justice to offenders.  I have to believe that there would be someone in Tallahassee, Florida that would not be quiet if there was more to see here--star quarterback and National championship be damned.  Perhaps the moral of the story is this: Boys and girls--be careful what you do, when you do it, where you do it, and who you do it with.    

"I'm still hungry." --Brady Hoke

OSURX92's picture

In international propaganda news today: Kim Jong Un, leader of the 'free' North Korean people, upon reading an ESPiN article on how Jameis SqWinston 'got off' twice on the same crime, has, through comrade Dennis Rodman, enlisted Jumbo Fisher in helping him enroll in summer school at FSU to study criminology while Booby Bowden helps him forge a copius relationship with Willie Meggs.  As a footnote, Kim was discouraged from bringing dirty bombs to FSU but was told by Willie Meggs and Judge Mills Lane concerning spitting cobras: "I'll allow it."

"Ethics and morals are what a man does when noone is watching."  --My Father

Olemissbuckeye's picture

On the BAC issue:
"Although Meggs refused to speculate why, he did point to an analysis of a blood-alcohol test taken several hours after the alleged attack that showed that her blood-alcohol content at the time of the incident could have been 0.10 percent, even though when it was taken the test registered a 0.04 reading. The 0.10 reading would have been higher than the 0.08 legal limit for driving.
Jameis Winston has been in the spotlight for much more than his play on the field. For a timeline of the events in the sexual assault investigation that has surrounded him the past few months, click here

The clear implication of Meggs' use of the extrapolated blood alcohol levels was to show that the accuser may have been in the brownout or blackout stage of intoxication, a probable cause of the memory gaps."
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10084756/murky-facts-fsu-quarterb...
Also, let's not forget that impaired memory formation and recall is very common with victims of traumatic events, such as sexual assault, alcohol or not. Not saying I agree/disagree with the decision, but these are simply hard cases.
 

Toilrt Paper's picture

http://www.talgov.com/uploads/publi...d-documents.pdf
Sounds like rape to me. The two witnesses watching and swearing the sex was consensual? FSU teammates of Winston.