Texas A&M Students to Face Penalties for Selling 'Bama Tickets

September 13, 2013 at 11:23a    by DJ Byrnes    
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As most of you are aware, Alabama travels to College Station on Saturday in attempts to settle the score on their only defeat of the 2012 season. The Aggies are hoping their vaunted "12th Man" provides a substantial home field advantage, and are taking extreme measures to make sure that comes to fruition.

Students caught selling their Alabama tickets on third party sites like StubHub and Craigslist are to be banned for the season, and have their right to student tickets revoked for the rest of their career at A&M.

Two students have already been caught trying to capitalize on the ridiculous demand for a ticket. To the rest, A&M has a simple message:


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droessl's picture

considering student section tickets are starting at $699, I'd consider selling them.  Then again, it's hard to put myself in the shoes of someone who gives a damn about A&M football. 
http://www.stubhub.com/texas-am-football-tickets/texas-am-vs-alabama-9-14-2013-4183188/

johnblairgobucks's picture

What if they signed their tickets before selling them?
Would they only lose their tickets for next weeks game vs SMU?

CanadianBuckeye's picture

They wouldn't be allowed in until halftime for SMU obviously.

Buckeye 09's picture

I wish they would find a way to do this at Ohio State. I remember the 06 TTUN when it seemed like everyone was selling their tickets. I understand people wanting to make a quick cash grab, but I feel bad for all of the students who missed out tickets that year and would have loved to go to that game. I did not sell mine and it was one of the greatest experiences of my life. 

buckeyewx's picture

Same here. And everyday since I am thankful I didn't sell those tix.

William's picture

Ok, but those tickets belonged to the students that received them, and currently at OSU, we have to buy our tickets, and even if back in 2006 OSU ran a ticket lottery, those students won those tickets and should be free to do with them as they please. It's rather hypocritical of an institution like Texas A&M, that uses student fees to fund its athletic department, telling students what they can and can't do with their tickets. 
 
So basically you want OSU to enforce a system in which they tell consumers that are purchasing a commodity that they can't do with it as they please? Sound principle there. 

Corvas's picture

That's the dumbest part of this: A&M students never signed any contract that said their tickets weren't resellable. A&M is handing out penalties for a nonexistent rule that was never agreed upon between both parties. Some grade-A bullshit right there.

Idaho Helga's picture

I totally agree with this.  When a student, I felt like if I wanted to sell my ticket that's my right.  I did sell a couple of games while at tOSU my senior year and to whom I sold them to is no business of my university.  They got their cash.  (FYI: so not TTUN , good lord I went to both when I was eligible)  What if I gave my ticket to an opponent fan, is that targeted now? We need to find out their  loyalty?  Hey  tOSU and T A&M,  this is stupid I bought your product which I might point out is freely traded on the internet whether or not you get a cut of the markup so STFU.
Dear Lord, they get you  for $10,000+ a year and now they are bitching because you made  $100 off of your right to buy a ticket.   Just crappy.
> end of rant
 

Buckeye 09's picture

You're probably right that they should be able to do what they want to do with the tickets, but I hate to see real Buckeye fans get shut out of tickets by people trying to make a quick cash grab. My senior year, tickets sold out in less than two week and a lot of people I know were unable to get them. They were waiting on money to come in to place their orders and they sold out prior to that. It is a shame they had to miss out on tickets. I would like to see them go back to the old system were you could not upgrade tickets. I think student tickets should be for someone with access to a BuckID. 

kr66osu's picture

Agreed on wanting OSU student tickets to be non-upgradable. They're called student tickets for a damned reason and you shouldn't be able to pay an arbitrary price to make them "normal" tickets when you're still sitting in student reserved sections or Block O. They need to be more strict with the BuckID policy as well, for the Buffalo game I was never asked to show mine.
Students should be able to sell their tickets to other students and it's pretty shameful that Texas A&M students can't do that. I guess for people who truly can't or don't want to go to the game that's just going to be less people in the student section which is pretty pathetic, especially when there are probably loads of A&M students without tickets who would love to go to this game

741's picture

We are talking about losing access to the privilige of season tickets here. Not simply buying and selling a commodity that the entire public has access to acquire. Loss of student (or faculty or staff) season ticket priviliges doesn't mean that they would lose the right to buy and sell tickets in the secondary market like the rest of the public.

buckifishr's picture

Sounds about like giving athletes bowl prizes and trinkets and telling them they can't sell or do with them as they please.
The NCAA must love A&M.

andyb's picture

I was not fortunate enough to be a student at The Ohio State University....I was able to procure a ticket from a gentleman who happened to be out of town that weekend for the 06' game..he was a friend of a friend and I went with her to the game.
 
So it's not always a terrible situation...at least I am a die hard fan and the ticket went to someone who truly loves the Buckeyes.
 
BTW....best life experience to this point (and I'm currently married)

741's picture

I wish they would do this for FACULTY and STAFF at Ohio State.

NW Buckeye's picture

LMAO.  Students can not sell their own tickets without losing their right to participate for the rest of the season, and possibly the rest of their time at TAM, but Johnny can profit from his signature all he wants and be good to go.  Want to take any bets that Johnny is selling his comp tickets for big $$$$ - all for cash of course, handled by Uncle Nate.....  Perhaps the students should just broker their tickets through Uncle Nate!!!!

William's picture

Texas A&M, where property rights don't exist. This, to put it in simplest terms, is fucking stupid. 

AndyVance's picture

Couldn't have said it any better. Shame on you, Aggies.

rdubs's picture

I think it depends on whether they offer a discount to students.  OSU seems like it has a good system where you can sell/give your faculty tickets to someone else, but they need a BUCKID to use them.  Otherwise they can pay the fee to bump them up to full price and get in without one.  If I were a university and offered the tickets at differential prices based on the status of the buyer I would want to limit how they could use them.  I don't know if A&M has a policy similar to OSU or not, but it is a sensible one to me.

AndyVance's picture

An Aggie homer accosted me on Twitter about this, and when I brought up the Ohio State system as an ideal alternative, he said that A&M kids can sell their tickets, but only for face value. It's trying to sell them for big money on the secondary market that has the Aggie Athletic Brass' panties in a wad.

Corvas's picture

So A&M's administration is mad that it isn't getting profit from tickets that it has already profited off of? I guess it makes a lot more sense now; Maximize revenue at the expense of other people.

William's picture

So Texas A&M is allowed to charge an exorbitant fee for season tickets, but students can't sell their tickets on the secondary market? Hello Crony Capitalism! Is A&M going to sue StubHub any time soon, or go after alums/fans that sell their tickets on a secondary market? 

rdubs's picture

Ohio State isn't too excited about Stub Hub either, thus the "premium" priced games and the dramatic warnings about fake tickets on the secondary market.  However it does seem that so far OSU has handled this situation better than A&M.  Which probably shouldn't be surprising because prior to last year A&M hadn't played in a big game in a decade or two so there isn't too much experience with this kind of thing.

Corvas's picture

Add another reason for my desire to see Alabama stomp them. I understand not wanting students to sell their tickets--I've never even thought about missing a chance to go to a football game in favor of some quick money--but you can't create sanctions against people for reselling something that they already paid for themselves.

buckguy10's picture

That didn't stop the NCAA from penalizing OSU for tat-gate. Seems like Texas A&M wants to throw their hat in the ring too.

Squirrel Master's picture

you can't sell something you own! Typical NCAA BS! Brings back memories.
I'm stunned they aren't going to require a bowl ban for SELLING YOUR OWN STUFF!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

hodge's picture

This is all sorts of wrong.  Last time I checked, when you buy something, you own it.
I sincerely hope this gets eviscerated by the public at large.  With tuition rates growing at an ever-expanding clip, preventing students from selling what they own is complete bullshit.  The students already paid the athletic department for the tickets, helping to fund the very organization that bought the facilities and coaches necessary to draw top-tier talent--what they do is none of the school's goddamn business.

awwwwwwop's picture

I think it is actually regularly considered that tickets are a freely revocable license.  You actually really have no "ownership rights" over your tickets other than what the licensor (TAMU) says you have.  I am 100% in agreement that this is a crappy thing to do to your students, but from a legal/ownership standpoint, I really do not see much wrong with it.

"Who cares? Go Bucks." - Aaron Untch

hodge's picture

...damn.
...bastards.

AndyVance's picture

Couple of loyal Aggies jumped all over me via Twitter for this same reason, saying that students are told upfront that their tickets are highly restricted, blah blah blah. Which is another point for Ohio State, where there is a clear process for "upgrading" student tickets for sale or transfer.

johnblairgobucks's picture

surprised some of these universities haven't demanded a 20% cut from the thousands of dollars made from StubHub (and other ticket selling websites) transactions involving their tickets. 
If it is their right, maybe it's just a matter of time.
 

William's picture

Great paper on how establishing tickets as a "seat license" is pretty much a violation of property rights. In fact Personal Seat Licenses, while treated like licenses, really aren't licenses at all, as they grant far more rights/access to a commodity than most licenses do. Universities/Professional Sports teams are essentially using a loophole to establish that they are selling a license instead of a commodity that can be defined as personal property, when in actuality, outside of Soderholm v. Chicago, most courts have ruled in favor of the individual, establishing that property rights do apply to an individual when purchasing a ticket from a university or franchise. 
From the paper:  While the fans’ conduct with regard to tickets is subject to restrictions, this is not enough to break the fans’ bundle of rights, and the fan’s expectation of perpetual renewal rights cannot be limited by these restrictions.  Therefore, season ticket holder status and personal seat licenses are property interests that should be transferable between individuals and/or businesses without restrictions."

http://slu.edu/Documents/law/Law%20Journal/Archives/Davis_Article.pdf

AndyVance's picture

Here's my little way of helping with the aforementioned cause of public evisceration:

IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Effing awesome Andy :)

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

FitzBuck's picture

Agreed.  And as your reward you have gained another follower on Twitter.  This reward comes with a punishment as its me that will follow you.  

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

BrewstersMillions's picture

I'm on board with a lot of the outrage this is causing but I say screw it. Sell anyway. Those tickets are going to fetch a premium and when Johnny Football leaves College Station, TAMU will return to its rightful place in the football world as an outsider looking in-would a lifetime ban from Aggie football be so bad?
Risk it anyway, college kids. That's my advice.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

William's picture

Definitely. Tickets are going for $700 a pop, that's at least a semester's worth of books, if not an entire year's worth. So not only does the NCAA ream student-athletes over selling their own property, its own member institutions want to fuck over their entire student bodies of their institutions. 

Buckeyeneer's picture

Screw you A&M administrators. Sometimes paying the electric bill is more important than going to a game. I used most of my student tickets myself but sometimes I needed money to pay rent or a utility or take Suzie Q out for dinner. This is unacceptable.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

William's picture

Exactly. Last year I bought basketball tickets but then had to flip them and sell them to pay for books the next semester. Education/Shelter>Attending a football game. 

KLF Buckeye's picture

As an undergraduate alumnus of Ohio State and a graduate student at Texas A&M, this whole saga is really disappointing. I really wanted TAMU to be a second team for me to get behind. Oh well, I guess I can just get on the Appalachian State bus until they get their stuff together down in College Station.

KLF Buckeye's picture

PS. I can't tell you how glad I am that I got out of there before the SEC and Manziel hysteria hit the roof. I'm missing the Ryan Tannehill Aggies.
For what it's worth, I talked to one of my professors at TAMU the other day. Turns out Johnny Football is taking exactly zero classes on campus. Sign of the online learning times or something else?
Go Bucks!

BrewstersMillions's picture

It is all going to look so foolish too when the stadium is half empty by the third quarter. Saban and his band of mercenaries are going to go scorched earth on A&M.
What really sucks about this-its clear as day what A&M wants: A piece of the secondary ticket market. They are ticked off that someone other than them will be able to line their pockets a little. This is such a blatant cash grab...
If I needed another reason to pull for Bama this weekend, this is it. Roll.Damn.Tide.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

Corvas's picture

Here's to TJ Yeldon shredding A&M's Longhorn-tier defense.
Also, to this hopefully being the last time that I ever have to cheer for Alabama.

Hovenaut's picture

Guess being the 12th Man has it's price.

Go Seahawks.

And for the first (and hopefully last) time....

Roll Damn Tide.

(that hurt the fingers)

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I am not very smart.

BTBuckeye's picture

That is some Bullshit

Heinieg's picture

I bet that they will have to sit out half a game.

Maestro's picture

Aggies being Aggies.  If you have ever lived in Texas you understand.

vacuuming sucks

cal3713's picture

No shit.  Welcome to aggieland folks.

Baroclinicity's picture

I can totally vouch for this.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

twalsh's picture

I like it, but it is their ticket. They should be able to do what they want with it!
 
Go Bucks!!

RBuck's picture

700 bucks goes a long way for a college student....at least it use to.
Stupid policy.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Dumbest thing I've ever heard of.  I always used my tickets, but that's just because I love going to the games, and I've never had anything happen that would prevent me from being able to go to any game.  What if a student had a sudden death in the family, and the only way they could sell their ticket was through StubHub? 
Texas A&M must be one greedy institution.  Why would they care if someone made a load of money off of a ticket?  They got the original revenue that they asked for that ticket, and an ass is going to be in that seat on Saturday (now who they're cheering for - who knows - could be a Bama fan).  If you're unhappy with the money you're getting, then freaking charge more for the ticket, and hope people will still buy it.  What's the big deal if a kid makes some money?  Not like they would be the first A&M student to profit big on something related to football. 

Class of 2010.

painterlad's picture

I guess it's better than Oklahoma State students selling their bodies to recruits.
 

To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.

ChicagoBuckeye33's picture

Why would you sell tickets to one of the biggest games you ever have a chance of attending?  My dad and I could have sold our 4th row 50 yard line tickets to 2006 The Game for $1400 each! But, No FREAKIN WAY!
There were people walking around outside of the Shoe with $3500 bundles of money.

Maestro's picture

Beats selling your blood plasma for beer money.

vacuuming sucks

ChicagoBuckeye33's picture

Yes. It also beats selling drugs and ending up in prison.  But I would rather avoid all 3.

ChicagoBuckeye33's picture

Also, being at the tail end of college, I can say that if you want it, beer will find you.  Nevermind the whole money situation.  It literally seeks you out :-)

Nick's picture

I guess my opinion is different than most of you guys but I agree with TAMU, they don't want tickets being sold to Alabama people or to people that ruin the environment. The college kids are always going to be louder and know the rituals during the game which adds to the environment. 
Student tickets should be just that for students ONLY. Now with  that said they should be able to sell their ticket to another A&M student that wants to go. 

dubjayfootball90's picture

Despite not being an NCAA issue, I guess the rules for amateurism, in part, applies to the fans as well...

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.