Najee Murray Dismissed from Ohio State Football Program

By Kyle Rowland on August 10, 2013 at 9:40a
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UPDATE [8/11]: Urban Meyer clarified Najee Murray's situation at the team's media day, saying Murray was suspended indefinitely.

Ohio State defensive back Najee Murray was dismissed from the football team Friday.

Ohio State sophomore defensive back Najee Murray has been dismissed from the team, sources told Eleven Warriors. The Steubenville native’s exit was due to a violation of team rules. Early indications are he intends to transfer to Louisville.

Murray, an OSU Scholar-Athlete, was expected to be a contributor on special teams and in the secondary during the 2013 season. He played in six games last season, mostly on special teams, until a torn ACL in practice ended his year. Murray accounted for three solo tackles.

He entered Ohio State as an All-State player and earned co-defensive player of the year honors as a senior.

Murray’s absence does not shakeup the starting lineup, but it puts a dent into the Buckeyes’ depth. Redshirt junior Bradley Roby’s status is still up in the air following an arrest for misdemeanor battery. But all indications are he’ll face a suspension of an undetermined length.

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Braxton2Devin's picture

You'd think these kids would learn eventually....

dubjayfootball90's picture

You would think. Hell, even I think this, but sadly it never proves to be true...

rdubs's picture

I hate the "violation of team rules" term with no further explanation.  Definitely too bad that he messed up, but if he deserves to go, he deserves to go...

misterpants's picture

I agree -- more information would be nice, but the university may not be at liberty to disclose the reason for his dismissal. IANAL, but I believe that FERPA applies to university disciplinary records.

jvd253's picture

Bummer.  Next man up...

"A guy from Ohio can make it in life if he works hard enough." - Wayne Woodrow Hayes

jaxbuckeye's picture

Another scholarship?  If you're not a star, you'd better walk a straight line. 

Royball's picture

Yup, this season especially is going to be a year-long zero tolerance policy

4-6 seconds of relentless effort

steensn's picture

Even if you are a star, no one is safe, but don't think Meyer wont pull the trigger faster on a non starter.

toad1204's picture

If you are a starter its even worse as the national media will pick it up.  Look at how fast Hyde and Roby's cases went viral.  If he doesnt punish the non starters the way he punishes the starters you're going to run into morale/ lockerroom problems.  Slippery slope if you're not consistent. 

Nothing like dancing on the field in 02... 

BuckeyeLawyer's picture

I don't think UFM's discipline is only handed out to those who aren't stars.  I respect it (although I wish I knew what the players did to get the boot).

jaxbuckeye's picture

Come on.  This isn't just about Urban. It's the reality of life. There IS a difference on how stars or potential stars are handled. 

btalbert25's picture

His 3 game suspension won't impact the team negatively at all. He isn't missing crucial games, he's missing Buffalo, San Diego State, and Florida A&M.  If game 3 were Bama, my guess is he would of been sitting for 2 games. 

Unky Buck's picture

It's not Florida A&M, it's Cal. A&M is the 4th game of the season. He'll be back for that one if he does his extracurriculars that he needs to (which most believe he will).

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dublinbuckeye's picture

You're a fool to think that.  Will a 3 game suspension result in team failure?  No.  But when he returns he will have zero game experience for 2013 while everyone else (including the competition)  will have 3 games under their belt. Nothing beats game experience regardless of how good you are.

zjhousley's picture

Being from the Ohio Valley I can't say that I am real surprised by this.

Knarcisi's picture

Why would you say that?  I'm originally from the Valley.

HotSauceCommittee's picture

I am from The Valley as well.

Knarcisi's picture

Shadyside.  You?

CentralFloridaBuckeye's picture

Any word on what this might be related to? 

osu07asu10's picture

Roster Management!
In all seriousness, I would assume that if Najee wasn't over line, he was toeing it recently. After all the troubles, the players were given a stern warning by Urban Meyer. There is obviously a little more whip cracking to be done to make sure these boys know he is serious.
 
Good luck Najee.

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

Chilimac419's picture

Not a problem.  I do the same on play station , so I can make space for new players.   Go bucks 

ToothBuck's picture

 "Not a problem.  I do the same on play station , so I can make space for new players.   Go bucks"..... Fixed.

 

Chilimac419's picture

Why you gotta be a cs ? You don't need to repeat what I wrote   I'm here to enjoy 11 warriors    

awarren84's picture

He thought what u said was funny...but lacked the sarcasm font. 

"Anything less than flagrant is just playing grab ass!"

Chilimac419's picture

Oh. Right on thank you. I'm not to hip with my font.  But thanks.  Go bucks :) 

pjtobin's picture

I wouldn't suggest calling anyone anywhere a cs. Unless your into the kinky role play stuff. Then I guess it's cool. 

Bury me in my away jersey, with my buckeye blanket. A diehard who died young. Rip dad. 

ToothBuck's picture

i'm not even sure what a 'cs' is? I learned the sarcasm font. the hard way, same way, a few weeks back as well. Sorry, i suppose i should have stated it, but awarren48 hit is right on the head!!!

KingsRite's picture

If you don't respect what it means to be a Buckeye and could care less about winning a National Championship...Out the door you go! Next up!

“I have yet to be in a game where luck was involved. Well-prepared players make plays. I have yet to be in a game where the most prepared team didn't win.” -Urban Meyer-

Hovenaut's picture

I thought he might be in line for some PT, behind Armani Reeves, at boundary if (when) Roby sits. Hoping he had bounced back from that knee injury....now it's all moot.

Best of luck Najee.

"Success...it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

ATL_Buckeye's picture

That makes 6 already gone from the 2012 class

UABuckeye's picture

Not a coincidence 

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buckeyeEddie27's picture

Damn.  Urban isn't f'n around.   

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

Northbrook's picture

That's what he told them but some of them didn't understand or care.

fear_the_nut70's picture

Wait a second shouldn't the kids on the team get to vote whether or not they want him to remain on the team?

cajunbuckeye's picture

Maybe, they did vote. Now there's a twist to the story.

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cinserious's picture

He's referring to the ludicrous way the LSU players were allowed to vote to keep their scumbag RB on the team after blindsidedly assaulting someone and celebrating the p---y move on camera.

Gone ham, be back soon...

cajunbuckeye's picture

My reference is pure assumption that Meyer possibly brought the team leaders and staff together and they supported the decision.

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oregonianbuckeye's picture

That's a bummer man. Here's hoping the freshmen DBs live up to the hype and can step in this year.

BamBamBuck's picture

Damn shame we lose players due to lack of self control. Let's hope the rule/s he broke do not involve legal issues and his future in Louisville is more of success. Good luck Najee!

BamBamBuck

brandonbauer87's picture

This is weird, man. Curiosity is going to be hell. 

BuckeyeChief's picture

So no word on what he did?

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

awwwwwwop's picture

Four words: Violation of team rules.

"Who cares? Go Bucks." - Aaron Untch

BuckeyeChief's picture

For Reals?
I meant specifically! upvote to you for use of sarcasm font.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Toilrt Paper's picture

Those immaterial to the Ohio State program have no need to know.

ATXbucknut's picture

I am more than disappointed. During last year's preseason camp, you'll remember that he was identified by the staff as a top freshman performer. I think he would have been starting next year.
Louisville is taking all of the troubled players we (and other regional programs) dismiss. The media hasn't picked up on that yet. I wonder what Louisville's fall camp is going to look like.

Phillips.449's picture

I was thinking the same thing when I saw that he was going to Louisville.

TexasBuck11's picture

UofL is taking a play straight out of the Bengals playoff (though the bengals have rid themselves of troublemakers recently). Note: I am a bengals fan making a joke

yrro's picture

So how many of these dismissals for violation of team rules do we get before it starts looking like Alabama or LSU trimming underachievers? Even if I want to believe that this is all about Urban running a tight ship and only keeping guys who want to be proper buckeyes, I can't help but feel like that is an intended side effect.

Bucks's picture

There are going to be those coming along soon enough regardless of real intention.
If I remember correctly, he didn't have a track record for roster management even when in the SEC. Want to say that he was vocally against the practice while there as well.
 
Edit: Articles penned by person named Matt Hayes aren't reliable.

yrro's picture

I don't just mean national perception. I mean I really, honestly hope that we aren't giving underachieving players a shorter leash because we're low on scholarships.
Coming back from ACL injury is no small thing (I'm doing the same myself), and a lot of players are never the same afterward. I don't want to see guys kicked for things they that would normally be excused just because they're not likely to see playing time.
I don't think that's what is going on... lord knows we always saw transfers for various reasons. But I also don't think that Tressel hid the Tatgate stuff just because he wanted to beat Miami. I'm open to the possibility that this makes me a naive homer.

Braxton2Devin's picture

The difference between us and the Alabamas and LSUs is that OSU actually gives fitting punishments, even dismissals when necessary, whereas a team like LSU would have a team vote and immediately reinstate the player.

brandonbauer87's picture

Whether we're justified or not, it starts to look bad is all he's saying. It does look bad also. Hopefully this can be the last one for the year and we avoid worrying about it. 

SOF_Buckeye's picture

Looking bad or not, if it is a violation of team rules, UFM can't let ESecPN, team votes, or anything else guide him. If the player violated the rules, and the consequences have been laid out, then they should be enforced, whether it happens in August, November, or February.

"The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender." Woody Hayes

RoyWalley's picture

Exactly - Thank you!  Why does everyone always have to know what that player did?  Who cares, that's between the player and the coaches & University. 
Good luck to him.

btalbert25's picture

Like they did with the Honeybadger? 

unknownmusketeer's picture

Roster trimming/management happens after the season for teams like LSU and Alabama. Not 3 weeks before opening day. The story may be written, but it shouldn't stick.

cinserious's picture

Exactly. To make way for the oversigning they just did (by 10 players).

Gone ham, be back soon...

Idaho Helga's picture

You beat me to it!   Rosters aren't trimmed in August.  Let's just hope for this young man who has obviously screwed himself, that this wasn't anything illegal and just something stupid (failure to show up,  mouthing off, curfew if they now have one, pattern of "knuckle-headed-ness" <== Urban's phrase, etc)  
I'm sure ESPN is searching the police blotter, Facebook,  Murray's and his neighbors trash cans and sewer line under the street to find out all the dirt they can.   How did he pay for that tattoo?  Did Urban tell you that you had to get a tattoo?
I'd rather have a team I can be proud of than be, uh, LSU or A&M right now.  Last year proved character counts and the good guys DO WIN!
 
EDIT: Just read (below Jason 11W) that it was justified.  I also missed the part about he's going to Louisville.  There are Louisville people thinking they will go undefeated.  Whatever.

Idaho Helga's picture

I have to tell you, if this is all true it's terrible.  Yet, I don't doubt it's true.  I didn't think the coaches could pull this so late.
On another note, the funniest (yet sad in a way) thing I have seen on the internet this week is the "motto line" for this web site Oversigning.com.  It says "Where 32 + 29 + 28 + 32 = 85".
God bless the SEC  ;)  Is NASCAR on now?   Whut am I missin'?
 

btalbert25's picture

It's definitely true. It happened a couple years ago.  You can Google his name and see a lot of articles about it.  Doyel wrote one about it too.  I honestly don't care that much about oversigning in general.  That story is horrible, but they rarely go that way.  The kids know what they are getting into and they choose to go to the schools anyway.  
We try to act like the programs down south are these heartless bunch of assholes who only care about winning football games, but ask kids who played for Saban what they thought about him.  Do we really believe Urban is in this to do anything other than win?  We need to stop acting like these coaches are big bad wolves and the kids are just poor naive victims. 
College football is really dirty and corrupt and all parties are guilty of participating in it.  Even the players.  Why do kids always want to take their official visits?  Because the schools use sex, parties, loaded handshakes from boosters, and lord knows what else to convince kids their school is the place they should go.  The kids make sure they get theirs too.  Not just in the south either.  
I get it the coaches are paid a lot of money and the kids aren't so it isn't fair, but the kids aren't all that innocent.  Plus, the kids have no problem hurting a program by taking off early for the NFL.  They don't necessarily hold up their end of the bargain.  College football is a selfish sport from the top on down. 

biggy84's picture

You are assuming a lot BT. Unless you are involved in college athletics, I don't think you are in a position to be making such bold statements.

SOF_Buckeye's picture

Side effect? Maybe. But, in light of recent behavior and incidents, it's hard believing that a line was not drawn, and spelled out to the players, and expectations of them. If Najee crossed over, this may be a case of 'the first one who stepped over becomes the example.' 
I really don't think it some accidental mishap. Hopefully he learns and can move forward.

"The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender." Woody Hayes

Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

I doubt it's roster manipulation.  Urban is too smart and too strategic about how he goes about recruiting to sacrifice long-term reputation for a short-term scholarship... especially one 3 weeks before the season starts.

4thandinches's picture

Yes my thoughts exactly! Urban wants to get his recruits playing immediately. 

I wasn't born a Buckeye but I became one as fast as I could. 

Boomcat's picture

Guy is from Steubenville.... well I don't know.
If we keep losing players I'm going to go berserk. 

BSTP DeCon's picture

Not really a thing to joke about, but ok.

FROMTHE18's picture

Wonder if this opens up a scholarship for '14 class...if so, looks like Brown or Berrios may be involved.

UABuckeye's picture

Obviously roster manipulation. But I've never been opposed to it anyway. It's football not ethics class.

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skid21's picture

How is it obvious roster manipulation? It isn't obviously anything as we have no idea what happened.

jaxbuckeye's picture

Hard to say without the facts but dismissal for violating team rules versus Marcus Baugh's punishment for using a fake ID raises eyebrows. Add in the lineman that got dismissed and it's not surprising that people start talking. 

UABuckeye's picture

Because I doubt Braxton Miller would be DISMISSED from the team for committing whatever "Violation Of Team Rules" Najee committed.  Urban has tried to trim the fat Fickell recruited during the crisis. Throughout this cycle the staff has offered, recruited and accepted commitments in manner that suggest that they expected more "attrition". Play blind and morally upright if u want but this is a part of big CFB.

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cajunbuckeye's picture

It's obvious that there is a conspiracy. I'll bet Archie and Gene Smith are involved.

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buckeyeEddie27's picture

Tress has emails detailing Urban's roster manipulation plans.  Has all along. 

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

cajunbuckeye's picture

Mindy Dryer will expose the story in a series of diagrams, tonight at 11.

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BuckeyeVet's picture

Hey, hey, now! Archie? Them's fightin' words. Gene Smith? Of course.

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rdubs's picture

If that's the case, why kick him off 3 weeks before the first game?  We might need the depth this year and potential scholarship issues wouldn't happen until next year.

jaxbuckeye's picture

Because he finally has a reason.  Based on everything going on in recent weeks, guarantee any non big time players mess up, they're gone.  Scholarships are definitely in play.  We have more 14 players talking about tOSU than scholarships available. 

zenshade's picture

I can see your logic, but I'm not buying it. Najee Murray has tremendous upside, some even comparing him to a young Antoine Winfield. So I think this is exactly what it appears to be: a player not following team rules, not a player getting booted because he lacked football talent.

cinserious's picture

He wasn't one of Urban's 2012 recruits but he was one of the top players in Ohio.

Gone ham, be back soon...

rdubs's picture

Having a reason means it isn't roster management.  So which is it?  Did he deserve to get kicked off for a reason or was Urban making room.  Can't be both...

jaxbuckeye's picture

Not sure who that was to, but I think it's both.  I'm obviously speculating, but I'm thinking it's a player that maybe isn't living up to expectations who broke team rules.  I'm thinking the combination of both made it possible.  This is not an attack on Urban, I think anyone in that place would have made the move.  Had only one of the two happened, he would still be on the team (i.e. producing with violation of team rules = still on the team, not producing but not breaking team rules = still on the team).  If you're a guy whose not blowing it up, you better not break any rules.  That applies to pretty much anything in life.

skid21's picture

Get back to us when you know whatever "Violation of Team Rules" occurred. From all reports Braxton is a humble and quiet guy who causes no problems. Yet you want to ASSUME he'd skate with bad behavior. When you have actual proof, say an real example, that Urban is treating stars differently then I'll give your opinion some credence. Until then you're just another blowhard throwing out accusations.

InHartWeTrust's picture

Dear Conspiracy Theorists:

jaxbuckeye's picture

Come on Skid, you're missing the point.  No one is saying Miller does anything bad.  But do you REALLY believe that it wouldn't take something HUGE for Braxton to get the boot?  Do you think whatever Murray did would likely result in the same punishment for Miller?  Again, not blaming Meyer.  This isn't church.  Coaches are paid to win.  You can bet that if I were coach it would have to be something MAJOR for me to boot Miller. 
Another analogy would be a VP at my work.  They are not going to get fired for the same things that I would get fired for.  It's just the reality of life.

skid21's picture

I have no idea if what Murray did would result in the same punishment. My point is neither do you, or anyone else.  Feel free to make any assumption you want.

jaxbuckeye's picture

He's giving his opinion, which everyone on this site is free to give.  My guess is more people than not would agree that Braxton would not be dismissed for the same thing.  Yet you resort to calling him a "blowhard" for expressing his opinion (which in most cases involves some level of assumption).  What does that say about you?

Unky Buck's picture

I'm siding with Skid on this one. First, we don't know what it is that caused Najee to be dismissed so we can't just assume it's something minor and we're making "roster adjustments" 3 weeks before the season even begins where the only thing it affects is us having depth in the secondary. Two, given all indications and reports, Braxton has no history of causing problems, being late for meetings, etc. so he has no prior issues that would cause us to be concerned that he will. We don't know for sure if Najee had past issues, but what if he did? What if there is a pattern of "destructive behavior" from Najee and this violation of team rules was just the straw that broke the camel's back? If we're going to throw out hypothetical situations, you can't just ignore something like that then. Braxton may get off because he has no history of problems and Najee wouldn't if circumstances were the same and he's a known problem.

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jaxbuckeye's picture

@skid21,
I'll give you an example.  Two incoming freshman.  One, not highly regarded but worked hard to earn his scholarship.  The other a highly touted player from California.  The first is charged with obstruction of official business and dismissed from the team.  The second, is charged with underage consumption of alcohol and using a fake ID and suspended for the first game.  Does that sound like equal punishment to you?

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Jax, you're citing an example for which we have only partial data, possibly missing key facts. So, we have no reasonable way of even trying to loosely interpret whether the two cases involve equal punishment, let alone attempt to render a serious judgment.

jaxbuckeye's picture

While it is true we don't have all the facts, EVERYTHING I stated is true.  We will never have all the facts so we are always forced to deduce/infer things.  I LOVE Urban Meyer but I recognize he's human.  Apparently there are those on this site that think he's King Solomon.  My point has been that life is never fair and people are never treated equally.  The fact that people down voted it shows that some people can't be objective.  Embarrassing.
 
 

UABuckeye's picture

I didnt think what I said was controversial as its a common practice amongst larger programs. Especially as it pertains to Urban because he needs to purge non-contributors at accelerated pace because of the scholly restrictions. 71 down votes later . . . I realize that pandering to the lowest common denominator may be a better commenting policy than trying to create a more robust discussion through objectivity. 

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rdubs's picture

I don't think it is obvious when it occurs a couple weeks before the first game and several months before signing day.

Moephius's picture

Nonsense. We have no idea why he was let go.
Urban is in a no-win position here (still):
Kid gets in trouble and he punishes him sternly = roster management
Kid gets in trouble and he doesnt punish him sternly = Urban letting the inmates run the asylum

Taspra's picture

@MOEPHIUS..Thank you. I was going to say the exact same thing. Urban is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Just because we don't know what the violation was does not mean the action was not deserved.
Also, If I am the parent of said football player or even the football player, I would be thankful OSU did not put my personal business out there. It really is not our business as to the why. If it's public it will come out eventually anyway.

Poison nuts's picture

Ding, ding, ding, aanndd...Moephius for the win. This is the best stance on this subject I've read. Anything else is pure speculation. 

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jaxbuckeye's picture

I think you are misinterpreting what people are saying.  No one is damning him for it.  But the reality is with the heat he has taken, he really IS in a no win situation.  Urban can handle it.  It's like any other business.  You have an employee that is doing average work.  You'd love to replace him or her with a better employee but have no reason to justify it.  Once they start calling in sick all the time, bingo.

BuckeyeVet's picture

Thank you, Moephius. EXACTLY.

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BME_Buckeye's picture

Where is Captain Obvious to point out the obvious...

Look closely, because the closer you think you are, the less you will actually see.

 

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Hate to see anybody kicked off the team but in the end - if you're not living up to your end of the bargain - then out you go! 

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DefendYoungstown's picture

I am glad that Urban is "doing the right thing".  No need for us to really know what happened as the kid still has a reputation to uphold. Best of luck Najee. Does this open up a spot for a walk on or somebody in the 2014 class?

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

13THandSummit's picture

Hurts with depth, but hopefully we'll get Roby back before we play any decent QB. First three opponents were 89th or lower in passing yards per game last year.

Braxton2Devin's picture

I hope Roby only has to sit out one or two games at most. I don't think he deserves as many as Hyde.

13THandSummit's picture

I agree. When it comes to my favorite sports teams, however, I hope for the best but expect the worst.

RBuck's picture

Wow. Had to be serious to dismiss a scholar-athelete.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

gravey's picture

Here's hoping that the UFM discipline policy is fair and consistent from starters down to walk-ons.  I only like winning when its done the right way.  Good luck to Najee.
 

nfischer's picture

Wow. You want to win the right way? How dare you (sarcasm)? I can't believe someone had the audacity to dv this.

zenshade's picture

Probably a mobile fat thumb. Though there are a few who will downvote a whole thread if it even slightly gets their panties twisted.

Crimson's picture

Wow.  A few are talking about him possibly having a starting role while Roby is out.  Now, he's off the team.  Pretty shocking.  Good luck to him at Louisville and to the other DBs who have to step up into his place.

actionstanleyjackson's picture

My guess is the play of Conley, reeves and apple made if easier to let Murray go. It must have been serious or a repeat violation to get bounced rather quickly. 
2012 class now has 6 guys gone...Roberts, Murray, Pittman, o Conner, Perkins and southward.  
 

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BUCKfutter's picture

whiskey tango foxtrot is with this offseason? football, please get here

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steensn's picture

I liked the kid, seemed like he was going pull some playing time by earning it. Yet somehow he found a way to ruin it, stinks.

scarpenter614's picture

To me this HAS to be football related.  They are all living together in a hotel during camp.  He couldn't have been out drinking, he couldn't have gotten in a fight with his girlfriend.  But many students lose scholarships all the time for poor performance.  If I'm on academic scholarship and drop below an agreed upon GPA, I lose my scholarship.  There's no second chances.  So I am perfectly fine with a policy that says if you're not earning your football scholarship, we'll give someone else a chance to earn one.  

Furious George 27's picture

So does Louisville have first dibs on kicked off players? Dwyer and Murray......

Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.

GABuckeye's picture

I think you mean Dyer.

Jugdish's picture

I don't know the reason either but I did find this site. I don't know if it has any validity.
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Moephius's picture

That article is 18 months old

Jugdish's picture

Even though it is old, it could put you in a probationary status that if you screw up again the player would be punished. Again, I don't know of the reasons and anything that someone writes at this point is only conjecture.

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MN Buckeye's picture

Wow, those tweets are disturbing!

otrain2416's picture

For a second I thought this would have nothing to do with it. But if Meyer is on a three strike system and "violation of team rules" is the reason he's out those tweets could have been strike one.

RBuck's picture

Broke one of Urban's cardinal rules: Respect women.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

DefendYoungstown's picture

Agreed, very disturbing tweets, almost thugish. 

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

USMC11917's picture

That is very disturbing. I wish I hadn't read that stuff. I knew our athletes (And most anywhere) aren't choir boys but that really makes me look at those guys in a different light. I wouldn't care what happened to any of them if they were kicked off the team for representing our school that way. I prefer to be in the dark. I know this is old stuff but once said, it can't be undone.

allbucksallthetime's picture

UMC11917...I have to agree that reading those tweets is disturbing.  It's just so much easier to root for young men who are doing the right thing than young men who so foolishly put garbage out there for the world to see. 
Thanks for all those young man who don the scarlet and gray and are doing the right thing on a daily basis.  For those who aren't, show them the door.  Go Bucks!

1stYrBuckIClub's picture

If you look at who is tweeting in that article, a lot of those guys (Se'Von Pittman, David Perkins, Najee Murray, and Roger Lewis) aren't on the team any more. The majority of the others seem to be less frequent offenders or even things I might say (especially Jacoby Boren's). But it is enough to make me a little nervous about De'van Bogard and Michael Thomas... 

TBDBITLinWIScantSON's picture

I don't really know what "team rules" are, but I would imagine the players do. Meaning its not some arbitrary set of guidelines a coach wields in order to manage the roster. With the guaranteed 4 year scholarship, my guess is that the "team rules" is a contract (of sorts) that is agreed to.

But I could be wrong

WB

jkrk's picture

Agreed. Just think of the way Urbz speaks to the media, and his detailed off season evaluations for the players. He's nothing if not clear. Whatever Murray did, I can't imagine he was surprised when he received his punishment.

FROMTHE18's picture

Maybe he went out and broke curfew or something like that.

RoyMunson's picture

Wasn't Murray the one who wrote a letter of sorts to his supporters stating how hard he was going to work this year and make everyone proud?
 
If so, this is ironic.

Taspra's picture

I think you're thinking of Tyvis Powell.

2014nationalchamps's picture

lets hope he didnt do something dumb like trade last yrs championship gear for tattoos.

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Bolt's picture

For all we know this could be a repeat offense. Maybe he's been toeing the line for a while and not been paying attention to any warnings. Maybe it's been attitude issues between he and coaches during practice and/or repeatedly being late to or missing team activities and meetings. It doesn't have to be either "Urban's just trying to clear roster space" or that he just up and did something really egregious one night.

2014nationalchamps's picture

So anyone have an accurate count of how many players we lost from UFM first recruiting class at OSU? Besides Perkins, most of the players we seem to be losing are 3 stars.  Anyone think that Urb is telling them how it is and that they will prob never see the field and that is the reason for all these types of players leaving?

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Poison nuts's picture

Sevon Pittman was a 4 star. Had it not been reported on the news that he'd been involved in a possible sexual assault, that likely would be called a violation of team rules. There was at least one other 4 star (5 star per some sites) who was one of Tressel's kids - I can't recall the name of - who was let go. Hyde was nearly let go & still lost 3 games & is an actual 1st string star that played a huge role in an undefeated season. I think UFM has been pretty consistent & that star numbers don't mean a lot in terms of discipline. Although it would be nice to find out what Najee & Gardner did specifically, I'll take the coach at his word until I have a reason for certain not to.

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45OH4IO's picture

Gosh, I can't wait for actual football to start. I don't like this. Every May through August is a death march of bad news, trolling and accusations. The only good news is a commitment hear and there. I just want to turn on the TV, hear a whistle blow and watch some people hit each other.

rdubs's picture

In better news apparently The Abusement Park and D1 have lost their Black Stripes.  Welcome to the fold gentlemen.

Mirror Lake Jump's picture

Thought he would have made a great nickel corner. Best of luck to him in his future endeavors. 

warosu's picture

What the deuce? These developments of player dismissals are really grinding my gears!

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

If Murray were at LSU, they'd have a vote and he'd stay on the team.
The classic violation of team rules.  Must have been fairly serious if he got dismissed for it.  Either that or a repeat offender.  It's a shame.  I wish him luck...maybe he'll learn something from this for the future.

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3technique's picture

Awesome news! (About the stripes) I like the more stern approach!

pjtobin's picture

Hate to hear about any kid messing up and getting dismissed. I am pleased how Urban handled this situation. I don't think he he would just remove a player to prove a point. He is laying down the law. And I'm proud he is!

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labuck's picture

He went to Lousiville and Charlie Strong who Urban has a good relationship.  Makes me think it was too horrible or Urban would have told him to stay away.  Which makes me think it was a violation of curfew and missing or being late for a few meetings.  But this is just a guess.

SaidNo1Ever's picture

So seeing that this player got released for doing something detrimental to team values do you think Carlos Hyde got off easy? Just based off the fact that one of Meyers main rule, that I think he has posted throughout WHAC is don't hit females. Whether or not charges were dropped I think it was pretty clear of what happened and he made contact just don't know the impact/force. I'm a huge UFM fan but I don't think he handled that in the best interest of his core values.

GoBucksOSU's picture

Good luck to him in the future. With another scholarship available, how many recruits can we fit in the 2014 class?

Gametime's picture

There's difference in the disciplines because of several things:
1) Najee wasn't a star player, but until what he did actually comes out (and I'm sure Kyle knows but is waiting for an official statement like good journalists here at 11W do) we're all left to speculate. Urban has a set of team rules in which some have ZERO-tolerance policies.
I remember some people felt the same about Tim Gardner until we found out that he had multiple incidences where he screwed up, & also run-ins with the law.
2) Najee was a second year player in the system. I'm sure after the initial WTFs with Hyde & Roby that the collars were tightened up on the team (like the 10pm curfew). At this point, he knew better. What Baugh did is relatively "freshman" and his 1st offense. 
3) 

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oh_dad55's picture

Those tweeters don't sound like scholar athletes to me.   Not smart to put stuff on the internet that will be in public view for years.

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cinserious's picture

The incoming freshmen and non-starters better keep their noses clean this whole year. No room for error in Meyer's program this year. Starters will feel the wrath too if they don't properly represent the university.

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tdible2132's picture

For everyone that was worrying about how we'd even get to 20 spots for the 2014 class, this should be further proof that we will be fine and likely get to 22/23 spots IMO. Urbans 2012 class was mainly Tressel/Fickell recruits and I really did wonder how many of them would be able to cut it. Urban honored them and their commitments but it's safe to say that the 2012 class had some guys that just aren't the type of player Urban would typically recruit at OSU. Nothing against guys like Roberts, Murray, etc. but they wouldn't have seen the field much.  I expect another player or two from the 2012 class alone to be gone come NSD 2014.  Either way I wish Najee the best and I hate to see quality depth leave the team.

brandonbauer87's picture

I noticed something in this thread. When Hyde was dismissed, everyone was talking about they hope it gets cleared up. I heard over and over about how overly tough the punishment was. Now that it's Murray, everyone is glad he took swift action. Impressed in the strict nature of the program. You can't have it both ways.

skid21's picture

I'm not sure where you are getting that "everyone is glad he took swift action" from. First, not everyone is glad. Secondly, we have no idea if it was swift or not. This could have been a situation that played out over the last year or more.

brandonbauer87's picture

Read all the comments here. The overwhelming majority seem to be pleased that he was dismissed. Saying everyone may have been a little hyperbole on my part. 

Crimson's picture

This is hardly swift action.  He's transferring to Louisville.  If he was kicked off the team immediately (as in today, and we hear the news today), then we wouldn't know a thing about if/where he is transferring.  They kept it quiet long enough for him to decide where to go.

bodast67's picture

I believe what ever "team rules" Murray broke were clear to all student athletes since the first moment they walked into the door. Carlos was a "person of interest" in an alleged assault of a woman and all facts were not clear at the time. Media reported that he was kicked off the team, when in fact Urban had just suspended him indefinitely. 
I believe everyone was cautiously optimistic about the Carlos as the investigation mostly played out on message boards and twitter. Urban handled the Murray situation in house as he has obviously broken the house rules.

 

 

 

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brandonbauer87's picture

Respect women is a team rule. It's possible that Murray did the exact same thing. At this point in time we have no idea, yet a number of people are talking as if to say good riddance. The only difference so far is that the media reported Hyde before Meyer did anything. 

moopdawg's picture

Whatever Murray did, assuming this coaching staff is consistent with the way they deal with team violations, it had to be really bad -- worse than underage drinking, getting into a fight in a bar, running from the police, or acting forcefully toward a female.  Such actions were all committed by our players, and fortunately for them, they have been given another opportunity to play football for the Buckeyes.  It seems really unfortunate for Murray, a kid who earned his scholarship at the Ohio State football camp (first scholly offered by head coach Fickell), was contributing on special teams as a true freshman, tore his ACL in practice and had his season cut short, and by all reports was working his butt off in rehab to contribute to this year's team.  I wish Najee the best and hope he grows as a better person from this experience.

skid21's picture

Whatever Murray did, assuming this coaching staff is consistent with the way they deal with team violations, it had to be really bad

Not necessarily. It might have been something he did multiple times or an accumulation of things. If I'm late to work for a month I'll probably get fired although being late isn't all that bad. We just don't know at this point and judging without knowing the facts will lead to blame being misplaced.

Bamabucknut's picture

How many young men need to get thrown off the team before it starts to sink in that "team rules" mean something ?

Knarcisi's picture

Hate seeing this having grown up in the Ohio Valley south of Stuebenville, but I like the message we are sending. 

Toilrt Paper's picture

Because of Baugh, Roby and Hyde a new VERY TOUGH rule has been instituted. A 10:00 PM curfew. Nothing good happens after 10:00 PM. This could lead to an unprecedented number of disciplinary actions.

81Alum's picture

This is also what I suspected - he broke the curfew. Additional contributing factors could have been some small incidents along the way, none of which, by themselves, were anything serious, but they all added up in the end. That being said, there could also be some truth to some of the comments about creating scholarship space.

umbyosu's picture

That phrase sounds very familiar.........and it still holds true in 2013.

zbd's picture

At least he didn't kill someone a mile from his house or slice the head off his ex and her boyfriend....

Jason Priestas's picture

To clear up a bit of speculation: Murray did something dumb during a time of zero tolerance. What he did was certainly worthy of earning a ticket out of town. I won't say what exactly he did, or is alleged to have done, but it's not like Meyer is cutting people for no reason.

LadyBuck's picture

Thanks for the insight, Jason. It's a wonder that some of these guys don't realize that a) they're not going to get away with it, and b) that zero tolerance means no second chances.

USMC11917's picture

Good enough for me. Thank you.

NYBUCKEYE's picture

Getting caught smoking weed in the hotel for camp, causing the fire alarm to go off, and the entire hotel being evacuated... 

HotSauceCommittee's picture

Is there a source for this or are you speculating?

AndyVance's picture

I did some Googling after reading this thread, and the only source I've found are a couple of other boards (Scout being one of them) discussing this as the reason for the dismissal/suspension. Meyer does have a zero tolerance policy (according to the same wall in the WHAC that says "respect women") regarding drug use. So, if the rumor is true and he was "tokin' the reefer," as the kids say these days, then he'd be gone.
Meyer's comment at the Sunday presser that he's suspended indefinitely could well mean they're waiting on results of a drug test before making the final decision.
Again, as with the Hyde situation, it's all speculation until Urban says otherwise.

SonOfBuckeye's picture

Meyer does have a zero tolerance policy (according to the same wall in the WHAC that says "respect women") regarding drug use. So, if the rumor is true and he was "tokin' the reefer," as the kids say these days, then he'd be gone.

The wall does not say "zero tolerance," and it's a stretch to interpret "no drugs" to mean "we will expel you if you smoke one joint."
 

AndyVance's picture

Fair enough; while the wall doesn't say zero tolerance, I think most of us probably assumed that since it reads "No drugs," that it's probably a zero tolerance philosophy up there with the "respect women" principle that almost got Carlos tossed from the team (I'm saying that based on Urban's gut reaction he mentioned on ESPN, not inferring).
I'm not making a qualitative statement on how Coach might feel about "smoking one joint" if he does in fact mean zero tolerance when he says "no drugs."

INTLBUCK's picture

Without speculating about the Murray incident, are there any former Buckeye players (or other team staff with firsthand knowledge) that can help us better understand the kind of team rules whose violation would lead to this?  I've heard curfew, being late...is that enough on a repeated basis?  Any other examples?  We hear this often in CFB, just curious. Thanks. 

Poe McKnoe's picture

How about not following any of the rules?  Seems pretty cut and dry, especially under a time of underserved scrutiny.  If the staff sets guidelines, you agree to abide by set guidelines, then you don't, what do people think is going to happen?  
It's a not a "right" to be a part of the team.

INTLBUCK's picture

I absolutely agree, it is not a "right" to be part of the team, but a privilege. I am simply curious to know if this kind of dismissal happens more because of a consistent violation of "small" rules, or if there are some other things we might not hear about often. That's all. Obviously the dismissal is warranted. 

Toilrt Paper's picture

Why do we need to "understand"???? HE IS GONE....only the players need to "understand", to keep from being next.

INTLBUCK's picture

Once again, I am not talking about this particular situation (see original comment).  I was simply interested in knowing from someone with experience what the scope of "violation of team rules" could entail, more than just curfew and not being late to practice.  

Squirrel Master's picture

I blame Joe Ramstetter on this! he is shining soo bright, they have to make room for him on 5 roster spots. The NCAA considers him a multi player so it is a roster violation and some players must get cut to make room. 

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

I really hope the carnage in the 2012 class is a one-year blip, because this is not something that is sustainable.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

SilverState's picture

FWIW:

otrain2416's picture

Saw this too real interesting

Knarcisi's picture

Really tiring of all the conflicting stories from the loose journalism going on these days.

Ohio1St81's picture

"Insiders". "Sources". "Someone close to the program". I could have sworn Source told us that Carlos Hyde was dismissed a couple of weeks ago too. I'm losing faith in Source. 
 

oh_dad55's picture

Ohio State sophomore defensive back Najee Murray has been dismissed from the team, sources told Eleven Warriors.
Maybe we should all slow down a little bit.
 

Oh_Dad

johnblairgobucks's picture

Brandon Spikes says "hell, you can try and GOUGE somebody's eyes from their skull and only get suspended for half a GAME.... What did this dude do?"

ohhiyo's picture

haha thought you were talking about robert reynolds

Toilrt Paper's picture

piss poor sources....get new sources.  

EDUGOON's picture

This is a lot to take in.....#SMH #ON2THENEXTONE #INURBANITRUST

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otrain2416's picture

Not to be that guy but 11w should probably take this down. No need to keep an article up about one of our buckeyes getting kicked off the team when he's only suspended. Hopefully everything gets resolved with Najee and he turns it around.

Jason Priestas's picture

We added an update to his situation.

otrain2416's picture

cool not trying to be rough on you guys cuz sources aren't always gonna be right & you guys are amazing and on the ball 99% of the time. Just figured since hes still a buckeye for now it would be fair to him to change it or take it down. Go Bucks!

63tinman's picture

I for one, and speaking only for myself, would much prefer reading reports that are confirmed as true, or identified clearly as rumor, gossip, hearsay, innuendo, or possibly total bs.  I recall witnessing a recent crucifixion of reporting on another site that was caused by the report being premature, though accurate.  If this story turns out to be a suspension rather than a dismissal, and I was the writer, I would seriously need to evaluate my sources before posting the next article on an individual's offense or punishment.  When posting involves the reputation or status of another individual, being accurate trumps being first, as it should in all reporting.  Chest thumping and back patting on one's valiant restraint on the Jalyn Holmes reporting will ring especially hollow if this article proves to be premature and inaccurate.  

Jason Priestas's picture

Eh, the situation changed after we reported it. We had two rock-solid sources and a seven year history of not being wrong. If we had a pattern of reporting things prematurely that turned out later to be false, then you might have us on something.

I would run it again, given the sources and what they were saying Friday night.

63tinman's picture

Then you would be wrong twice.  Good thing it takes three times to show a pattern.
 

ChazBuckeye's picture

This guy should be BANNED for talking to the BIG DOG like that.  WOW can't believe he's not banned already;-)  

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Crimson's picture

Oh magic 8 Ball TinMan, what are the final scores for the games this season.  You, who knows more than the rest, will certainly know.

Jason Priestas's picture

But we wouldn't be. Murray was removed from the team. Meyer had a change of heart.

moopdawg's picture

I appreciate Coach Meyer's patience and thoroughness in handling these situations that involve poor choices made by our young Buckeye football players.  I am glad to officially read that for now Najee Murray has only been suspended and has not yet been officially kicked off of the team.  I think it is safe to assume that Najee Murray has a tough road ahead of him if he chooses to attempt to win the trust of the coaching staff and become a full-fledged member of the football Buckeyes.  Until Coach Meyer or an official representative of the Buckeye football staff says otherwise, Najee Murray is still a member of this team.  So good luck, Najee.  You are going to need it, man.