Uh oh: NCAA Investigating Johnny Football

August 4, 2013 at 5:33p    by Ramzy Nasrallah    
172 Comments

Human colostomy bag Darren Rovell and round-the-clock Tatgate coverage producer Justine Gubar of ESPN have filed a report indicating that the NCAA is investigating reigning Heisman winner Johnny Manziel to see if he might have profited from autograph sessions.

Manziel-autographed helmet. Plenty of signed merch for sale.

This burgeoning memorabilia scandal is reminiscent of what befell the Ohio State program back toward the end of 2010 when it was found that several Buckeyes had exchanged autographed items (that belonged to them) for cash and discounts on tattoos. The violations grew into a full-blown scandal when it was found that Jim Tressel had known about the violations but failed to report them to the NCAA.

ESPN cites three sources saying that Manziel signed merchandise including photographs, footballs and mini-helmets for memorabilia broker Drew Tieman. They claim that while in Florida to attend the BCS Title game, Manziel may have violated his amateur status by agreeing to the arrangement. 

Manziel, accompanied by his friend and personal assistant Nathan Fitch, visited Tieman's residence and signed hundreds of items in the main room of the apartment despite the fact that there were many people in the room.

Today you learned that Manziel has a personal assistant. Gotta get him on alarm clock duty, son.

The Heisman winner's value is no secret:

Independent merchandiser Aggieland Outfitters recently auctioned off six helmets signed by Manziel and Texas A&M's other Heisman Trophy winner John David Crow for $81,000. Texas A&M's booster organization, the 12th Man Foundation, sold a table for six, where Manziel and Crow will sit at the team's Kickoff Dinner later this month, for $20,000.

Amateurism: Where tens of thousands of dollars are made from your likeness, but you can't have any of it. More as this ESPN pageviews stunt story develops.


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wibuckeye's picture

Where's the outrage from Clay Travis.  It must be Urban's fault since it happened in Florida, although I remember Urban saying he had never met him.

WIBUCKEYE

UrbanCulture's picture

If guilty what kind of punishment does this warrant

hetuck's picture

IIRC, the NCAA has a sliding scale depending on the dollar amount. Hundreds of items would ban him forever. 

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warosu's picture

The same punishment OSU got!!! He made money! If that is true I say stroke 'em

stevebelliseeya's picture

bowl ban

"What's the matter kid? Don't ya like clowns? - Captain Spaulding

JYBUCKEYE's picture

Human colostomy bag writes about human tool bag. 

Evansvillebuckeye's picture

You have successfully insulted colostomy bags everywhere. Remember, these bags serve a purpose, now the contents are a different story....

bigbadbuck's picture

so in other words its just another day at the office for the SEC.................

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Chief B1G Dump's picture

Uh oh...
I dint wish any ill will against this guy but I'm ok if he sits a game or two to keep Archie safe.

twalsh's picture

I don't think we have to worry about Archie record, this guy shouldn't have gotten the 1st one. Maybe the Heisman trust should ask for the award back?
Lying Punk!! I just over sleep, MAN UP!! AND FACE THE FACTS! Oh, he just a 20 year old kid, not a MAN yet.
X-Brax for Heisman
 
Go Bucks!!

oregonianbuckeye's picture

Epic first sentence. Just, plain, epic.

Hovenaut's picture

Distractions.

#otherprogramsproblems

"Success - it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

Mirror Lake Jump's picture

Thank goodness that camp has started and I can distract myself from news like this.

JozyMozy's picture

There are no words
 
...except maybe "27.4 more days until football sweet JESUS yes"

toad1204's picture

This is what he just saw, proof in a GIF.

Nothing like dancing on the field in 02... 

Urban Nation Army's picture

excellent.

Bet you can't say "Bert Bielma is a bumbling buffoon" five times fast.

Dr. House's picture

tough crowd if you got down voted for the word excellent

Cincinnati Mac's picture

This isn't an NCAA infraction. Only selling your own memorabilia is a punishable offense. Especially since the player in question is from an SEC school and has a Heisman. Ask Cam.

cinserious's picture

Lol. NO FREAKIN DOUBT. We'll see how the NCAA and Espn 'handle'this situation.

"Get him a body bag, Yeah!"

FROMTHE18's picture

If I were Sumlin, I'd suspend Manziel...all of his bullcrap and now this, suspend him indefinitely until this investigation is complete. If they play him, and it (although it is probably unlikely anything happens) turns out he did do what he is being investigated for, then that means forfeited games and possibly other penalties for this. I dont think Sumlin can afford doing that because without him, I dont see TAMU being a threat to too many teams on their schedule, in fact one could argue they could struggle around the .500 line, but itd be a wise decision to suspend him IMO.

BuckeyeLurker0509's picture

 You should be allowed to sell your own stuff, and if you're good enough that your autograph is wanted, you should be able to sell that as well.
#freejohnny
(mind you, i think he's a tool otherwise. but ever since you know what with you know who (c) Jay-Z....I've been more sympathetic towards stuff like this)
im not cool with players taking money from agents (UNC), players having houses bought (USC) or boosters/scouts "influencing" kids to go to a certain school(Oregon,Kentucky hoops)  etc

AcrossTheField11's picture

While I agree that the rules are antiquated and unfair, the rules are the rules. I dont have much sympathy for those who knowingly break them. Because the rules are in place to begin with they must be enforced.

The O'Bannon case will bring about an olympic style free market approach for amateur athletes and thus conversation can be put to bed.

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

Riggins's picture

This kid is an absolute clown.  Entitled isn't even the word.  You know every time you scratch your nose it gets analyzed on Sportscenter, and you still go and do this?  For what?  You're already oil-money rich with a lucrative NFL contract coming soon.  You can't wait 8 months?
 

onetwentyeight's picture

That's the thing. This is WHY I don't think he did this. The guys involved in our memorabilia scandal came from a lot of families that didn't have nearly Manziel's type of wealth and were just trying to make a few bucks here and there to get by. Usually in these cases where the NCAA screws some kid over from trying to make peanuts off their OWN FREAKING NAME the kid in question comes from an impoverished background. Which makes it even more tragic. 
But this is essentially the college athlete version of 'hustling'. Players aren't allowed to hold part time jobs in the offseason and if your family is poor money can be tight if you're just living off scholarship money year-round. So it's understandable. 
Darren Rovell was being an Idiot on twitter (what's new) and saying he's seen NFL guys making 15mil/year being cheap as hell with their money. Well, yeah. Because those guys GREW UP poor. People who MAKE lots of money are extremely frugal and hardworking, usually. It's the later, entitled generation which inherits money that isn't. 
Now ask yourself this. What is Johnny? He's an entitled rich kid who inherited lots of money. How many entitled, rich kids are out there HUSTLING? Or working to make a few extra bucks. Or trying to be cheap and frugal? C'mon. Exactly. 
 
You can criticize him for being an entitled rich kid. You can criticize him for profiting off his autograph (if you believe the story). But it seems to me like there's a lot of cognitive dissonance involved to believe he is SIMULTANEOUSLY BOTH entitled, spoiled/ rich ... AND working overtime to bend the rules to make extra money. I understand a lot of people hate the kid. But at least choose an avenue of hatred that isn't inherently logically contradictory. 
 

Riggins's picture

Dude, in my experience, the one thing rich people want more than anything else in the world...is more money.
After the offseason this clown has had, he's not going to get the benefit of the doubt from many.

onetwentyeight's picture

In my experience, rich kids who have INHERITED money are only good at SPENDING it. Not earning more of it. 

BSTP DeCon's picture

I don't make nearly enough money to consider myself financially rich, but I'm now a penny pincher, so what does that make me? Mind you, I didn't grow up being spoiled or even in the wealthiest family on the block. No offense, but I've heard many, many stories of prior multi millionaires filling for bankruptcy than I have about millionaires being never-ending penny pinchersm, work ethic not included... You can hear about it from people winning big in casino's, famous actors/singers from back then, athletes, to just people that invested in stock markets. Furthermore, I don't think you should make signing autographs appear as Manziel doing "work." If this story is true, Manziel is obviously greedy. Which to me, he has appeared to be throughout his Heisman campaign and since then (constantly in the spotlight via his actions).

onetwentyeight's picture

All I'm saying is, try to think logically about this for a second. SURE, it's just damn EASIER to pin this one Manziel (and his camp) being a historically epic combination of stupid AND entitled. But entitled rich people usually have smart people in their corner telling them to NOT do certain stupid things needlessly. Do they still do these things sometimes (ie millionaires blowing their money, athletes arrested for endless string of crimes, HOFers going bankrupt)? Sure. But you have to ask yourself what they stood to gain from these actions. In most of the above examples ^ they gained massively in the short term (by wasting their wealth) and paid for it in the long run. 
With the present case, I just don't see what Manziel or his people stood to gain from these alleged paid autographs. Why would they risk his eligibility, if it is indeed something they prized (see my comment at the bottom about how this seems somewhat planned and fishy), over what is to them such a comparatively small amount? If his family is indeed worth $50mil as someone mentioned below, what is a "five figure" payment that potentially wrecks his college career worth to them? Assuming the average american household is worth ~500K total (http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2013/05/average.html) , and that manziel's five figure payment was 50k. 50k to his family's alleged $50 million = 500$ to a person coming from an average household. So this is someone telling you during college to take certain action and risk being kicked out of university over a $500 wad of cash. Would it be worth it to you? 

 

BSTP DeCon's picture

I'm not saying he needs the money or not. However, I completely agree with what cinserious said below. This kid has constantly thrown himself in the spotlight and it doesn't appear to me that he truly cares of how his public image is drawn to be.
$500 is not worth it to me to be kicked off a team, nor any money for that matter. Maybe by his chain of thought, he would only be suspended for a couple games and would make $50K..? I don't know, I can't vouch for him. Furthermore, you can't claim his families $50M worth (might not be accurate) as his own money. $50K is a lot of money for anyone. I never heard of someone getting rich by SPENDING 'X' amount of money, so I'm sure people still consider $50K to be a hefty amount of cash, even if they're millionaires... Remember that story from a few months ago when Johnny made a little trip to the casino and was holding a nice wad of cash? I hope you know where I'm getting at with that question.. Maybe the heat down in Texas is just too much for everyone involved in this alleged case. Maybe they thought Johnny Football was too powerful to fall. I just know that this kid absolutely LOVES attention and now it's finally catching up to him.

BSTP DeCon's picture

Ask yourself this, if this kid has smart people in his corner, as you presume, why on Earth would they constantly allow this kid to portray himself in the manner he has been for the last several months...? The worse the image, the less the demand, the less money they can get off his autographs, the less likely chance he will have in the NFL. Look at how much Aaron Hernandez' autograph depreciated... Hell, you can get an autographed jersey for $75 now!! Yeah, I know this isn't NEARLY on the same scale, but still. Obviously JM doesn't have as smart of people in his corner as you think, otherwise they'd tell him to cut his stupid shit.

cinserious's picture

We all know the guy doesn't NEED the $. What he does seem to need is attention and a feeling like he's larger than life. That explains the autographs and constant need to be in the spotlight. He's full of himself and this might be one of his'marketing'tactics.

"Get him a body bag, Yeah!"

Stinson's picture

[Ohio State players break NCAA rule]
"Ban them from the bowl game and strip all their wins! Death penalty, too!
 
[Heisman Trophy winner from SEC breaks same rule]
"What a stupid rule! The kid is only in college!"
 
Got it.

"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium." -Wayne Woodrow Hayes

headina's picture

so true. 

GO BUCKS

BuckeyeLurker0509's picture

IMO, there was more outrage and media scorn once the emails were released and we found out Tress hiding it for an entire season (I'm glad he did btw, FK the NCAA)  than them actually selling their stuff.

Hovenaut's picture

(Engage special double standard sarcasm font)

Well, of course.

"Success - it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

Unky Buck's picture

Hove, if you used the double standard sarcasm font, it would look like this:
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Since this is only available to 11W Premium Members, many would not be able to read it. Good job on looking out for the little guy.

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Hovenaut's picture

You know it.....I'm here to help.

"Success - it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

warosu's picture

Amen preach!!!!!

jfunk's picture

What kid in college (aside from Van Wilder) has a personal assistant????

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ohiowhitesnake's picture

I am in total disbelief!

headina's picture

This sounds like a familiar situation. I have thought for months now that Johnny football was on a path of destruction. He better get at LEAST 6 games like Posey, Herron, Solomon, and Pryor were initially given. 

GO BUCKS

Stinson's picture

I thought it was 5 games.

"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium." -Wayne Woodrow Hayes

headina's picture

I was incorrect. It just felt like half the year I guess. 

GO BUCKS

otrain2416's picture

I got excited that the NCAA might do something then I realized Texas A&M is in the SEC

BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

”Manziel may have violated his amateur status by agreeing to the arrangement”

... so this would be similar to signing an agent or an endorsement deal... making his college eligibility expired.

yrro's picture

So are you allowed to give away your likeness?
Like, if you sign hundred of pieces of memorabilia for your friend so he can sell it for a mint, but you get paid nothing for it, you're just being nice to a friend... is that a violation?
I know when I've been waiting in line to get a jersey signed, I've seen guys walk up with just a big stack of collectible footballs or something to ask the guy to sign.

Squirrel Master's picture

rules are rules and they all threw it in our faces when Pryor did it. He knows better, especially being a heisman winner. Normally I wouldn't care but this is worst than what the buckeyes did under Tressel. Not worst than what Tressel did but worst than the players. 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Squirrel Master's picture

screw getting games, which he should. He shouldn't have played last year because I bet he was doing this before the heisman when he was winning.
I say they take away wins, schollies lost and he gets at least 3-4 games and the kicker that I think will piss Johnny off more...
make him pay that money back because you know his rich ass couldn't stand losing all that drinking money. 
This is even worst because he doesn't need money. Not that Pryor and Co. did need the money they were selling their stuff for, AGAIN SELLING THEIR STUFF NOT AUTOGRAPHS, but they weren't flowing from family money and traveling all over the place. This D-bag makes everyone think he is cool and just a fun loving college football player. That passed a long time ago. He threw his crap in everyones faces all the time breaking the rules behind the scenes. Now its not a kid being a kid.
at the very least, he should never EVER win another heisman. He doesn't respect the one he has!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

BuckeyePoetLaureate's picture

To be totally fair, didn't Pryor sign for pay?  You know, "allegedly?"

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Catch 5's picture

If he only gained money for the signatures, he will have to pay that money back and probably face a 2-3 game suspension (when's the Bama game?).
If he made an agreement with an agent he has forfeited his eligibility and can no longer play.  I guess in that instance, he doesn't need to pay back the money.
As long as these actions took place after the season, there is no penalty to be issued to A&M.  If there were any games after the exchange, then those games would be forfeited but no other penalties would be likely - unless some attempt to cover it up were uncovered, then something along the lines of OSU's punishment would be appropriate.
If no money is found to have changed hands (and this will be hard to prove if no one is willing to come forward) and no agreement to an agent has occurred, there will be nothing from this story.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

GoldenBuckeye's picture

Video of money changing hands and a sworn affidavit from Manziel that he was profitting from memorabilia or it didn't happen. 

BamBamBuck's picture

Don't need a video. All the NCAA needs is corroboration from multiple sources and the signed memorabilia as evidence. The do not need absolute proof they simply need to be able to draw a reasonable conclusion that the charges are true. This can get ugly for A&M and Manziel.

BamBamBuck

iball's picture

Plus, they dont even have to do the investigation, espn will do it for them. I hate that network. They are gonna ruin the sport of football.

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Buckeye_Mafia's picture

Gonna?  They already have.  They have even ruined the No Fun League....ESPiN has to be the worst conglomerate since the Mishima Corperation.  But atleast Heihachi brought us the Michima Ziabatsu and TEKKEN.

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AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I don't think that's enough. Need proof he profited. Remember Cam didn't benefit from his father taking money. According to the NCAA anyway.

Forget his bank records. Family is wealthy and lump-even the swollen kind - deposits are easily explained.

The only thing even remotely interesting about this story is watching how differently the media will cover it. Unless there is a cancelled check written on the account of "Ilkta Brakncaarulz" with the memo line reading 'for the explicit benefit of Johnny Football', this will be quite anticlimactic.

There is no dynasty to topple here. I know he won a Heisman, but I doubt he would generate the kind of page views associated with our scandal. Media bias = media business.

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BamBamBuck's picture

Not really, just need proof he broke the rules, not that he profited. Which by all account he did as he was seen making a 5 figure deal, then started signing the product in front of multiple people. 
I do agree that it will be interesting how the media portrays this episode.

BamBamBuck

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I thought the rule was that he could not profit. I'm pretty sure he can sign as many autographs as he want to sign. Outside of profiting, what other rule could be broken?

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BamBamBuck's picture

My poorly made point was that they do not necessarily need bank statements, but instead need to be able to draw conclusion that he "attempted" to profit. As you stated it will be hard to prove he received the money from the deal but the NCAA can still draw the conclusion that he broke the rules with affidavits from the witnesses and the physical evidence.

BamBamBuck

urbanwarfare's picture

Looks like mr. Football himself is making sure there will be another back to back heisman winner and by that I mean Braxton 

TheSweaterVest's picture

I've seen this freshman movie before.  Over/under to time arrested while driving with a bulletproof vest and Grey Goose: 9 months.

jestertcf's picture

The inner troll in me that is still upset about tatgate rejoices.

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

I'm calling for vacation of wins, probation, bowl bans, schollie reductions, Manziel has to give the Heisman back.  DEATH PENALTY!

Class of 2010.

iball's picture

Manziel doesnt need money. This doesnt make sense. ESPN fuckholes just waiting around for the kid to slip up. What a bunch of maggots.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

OSUStu's picture

Five or six figures is a lot for just about anyone, even if your parents are rich.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

onetwentyeight's picture

You know what's really sick about all this is they're the ones who BUILT HIM UP in the first place. ESPN damn near single-handidly started, drove, and steered his Heisman Bandwagon. 
Yes I know he comes off as an arrogant spoiled jerk. You probably wouldn't want to hang out with him in real life. Sure. But that doesn't excuse an international media corporation for building up and then shamelessly trying to tear down a 20 year old kid within one calendar year. Someone who, btw, hasn't done anything ACTUALLY wrong (ie with the law) in this time (yes I know about the arrest but that was before ESPN knew who he was). 
 
 

unholy bucknut's picture

Under age drinking is against the law. You better get off Johnny Footballs bandwagon its sinking fast brother. Im over this kid and all his shameless fans. But ESPN is a monster and you are right they are trying to ruin him. But hes asked for it every step of the way. They wouldnt be doing this if he hadn't given them so many reasons to. I could care less one way or another he doesn't wear scarlet and grey, So why do we even care?

onetwentyeight's picture

I'm not on the Manziel Bandwagon (I find his on-field heroics thrilling, off-field stuff distracting. And he plays for an SEC team.) But I am FIRMLY on the Anti-NCAA bandwagon, and to me that is what this fight is about. Johnny is merely a proxy. It could've been any other high -profile CFB player in his position and I'd be defending them just as hard against the NCAA. Because it's an illegal, destructive monopoly driven by profits to exploit the labor of young people, which then shamelessly hides behind the false facade of "education". I call BS on all their shenanigans. "Rules are rules" ... except these AREN'T. NCAA bylaws have no force of law. These aren't the  clauses in a CBA agreed to by a pro players union. They're totally imaginary constructs that we're supposed to take seriously. 

unholy bucknut's picture

I understand and I don't think it's right these kids should be getting a piece of the proverbial pie. I'm just tired of dealing with this kid. Rules are rules and we all have to abide by them either way. Whether the rules are fair or not. I'm just tired of people defending this kid when he is clearly in the wrong and has no respect for the sport or the rules.

Maestro's picture

In other news, the Earth is not flat.

vacuuming sucks

PlanningBuck12's picture


How Johnny Football probably thought before doing the "so-called" signing. I wonder how p'od Tress and the rest of Tatgate would be, if A&M and the SEC gets off again.

PlanningBuck

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SilverState's picture
Hovenaut's picture

Obligatory.

Telling, but obligatory.

"Success - it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

Maestro's picture

They had me at personal assistant.........ha!

vacuuming sucks

05Buckeye's picture

If true, hopefully for Johnny's sake he was honest with Irwin R. Schyster.
Lying to Irwin R. Schyster is much, much worse than some investigator in a cubicle in Indianapolis.

TLB's picture

VS Alabama Sept 14....he'll play in that game

Bucks's picture

I'd feign shock but not surprising if true. May be one of those idiotic rules which is a mute issue. Stupid or not, you know the rules you choose to either break or adhere to. Doesn't matter past that.
Just personal opinion: If you have the financial support that JM has in his family, and still engage in something like this, you are a special kind of stupid.

NoVA Buckeye's picture

I think it's common knowledge that Johnny Manziel is a special kind of stupid

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ScarletGray43157's picture

I don't think J.Football is ready for the NFL yet.  
If he did do what is alleged, his college career is over though.  
He might be a good fit for the CFL.  Just sayin'...

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harleymanjax's picture

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

onetwentyeight's picture

Something about this just REALLY rubs me the wrong way. Even more so than Tatgate did, but in the same vein. 
I get that lots of yall here hate Manziel and think he's a loathsome, stupid jerk. Sure. That's your opinion about his personal character. But IMO what type of moral character you have should have ZERO bearing on whether or not you can sell your autograph. What's an autograph? It's LITERALLY YOUR OWN FREAKING NAME. Written by your own HAND. If you don't own your own NAME, what do you really own? Aren't you just a slave then for all intents and purposes? Like, I can't even begin to imagine ANY other instance in LIFE where you don't have the simple ownership of your NAME. Even prisoners in jails have that. 

To me, it doesn't matter if it was Manziel or Brax, or Ghandi or Hitler doing the selling. If its your NAME, you OWN it, always. If someone says that's not the case, then they're saying they own YOU for all intents and purposes, as a human being. And that's just so disturbing to me. 

BuckeyeLurker0509's picture

Completely agree.
This is getting ridiculous. 
 
 

acBuckeye's picture

I think a lot of OSU fans, me included, aren't wanting Manziel to get nailed by the NCAA b/c he's an arrogant prick (which he seems to be, and btw I love watching him play)..... It's b/c our beloved football program just dealt with a similar situation a couple of years ago and the NCAA (and ESPiN in particular) went on, essentially, a massive witch-hunt to paint tOSU into as much of a negative light as possible and tried to nail our football program to the wall.
So our way of thinking is this..... if the NCAA and ESPiN went to such lengths to try and bring us down, they BETTER do the same thing in this case, and in other similar cases. I think it's stupid that you get in trouble for selling what is ultimately your own belongings..... but a rule is a rule. And I'd want those rules to be enforced equally amongst all offenders. Having said that, we are also apprehensive b/c we know the whole SEC = championships = $$$ narrative that the NCAA and ESPiN hold so near and dear. I'm thinking they want to keep that high profile A&M-'Bama matchup in tact. We also know of the NCAA's incompetence and complete lack of symmetry when dealing with cases of a similar nature.
Although I do realize that Kevin Sumlin may not have known any of this was going on, so from that standpoint I can understand a difference in Tatgate and this Manziel thing.....

vitaminB's picture

The point is that without the fame afforded to him by Texas A&M and the NCAA his incoherent scribbles would be worthless.  Because he is Johnny Football and because the SEC and TA&M pay money to market him, then his signature has value. 

onetwentyeight's picture

Seriously? Because every single sport needs to be connected to institutions of higher education in order for it to succeed? That's just patently untrue. 
Do you know what would happen without the "fame afforded to him by A&M/ the NCAA"? He'd still be JUST AS FAMOUS. Because if you took away the NCAA from youth sports development, the PROS would just step right in. You'd have a MLB style minor league system and an international soccer style academy system before that, where players sign contracts, FOR MONEY (oh the horror!), as young as 14. 
And within these minor leagues, he'd just be playing against the same pool of players who are now in D-1. And he'd still be a good player, just like Clowney would still be or Brax or whomever. And because the NFL is KING in America and because nobody will give up football anytime soon, we'd still be following the progress of our youth football players thru the academies/minor leagues just as closely as we follow CFB now. 
So no, if you took away a&M and the NCAA, his signature would STILL be worth a ton. The argument that the schools/NCAA somehow "deserve" a part in the money these guys make is patently BS and wouldn't survive a day in any real court. Oh, that's right, this is why the NCAA is facing potential armageddon with the Ed O'bannon case. Ask any sports lawyer - the writing is on the wall for this monopolized ponzi scheme posing as "education". 

Michael's picture

Looks like they found some evidence of JFF's profiteering:
Thanks for all the cash!

Remy's picture

Michael,
I think you found the...

 

"I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later." ~ Mitch Hedberg

One Bad Buckeye's picture

Come on man! LOL! This can't be real!!!

"I'm One Bad Buckeye, and I approve this message."

BuckeyeLurker0509's picture

i know this might be a dumb question...
but is that photo real?
 
i have to ask, bc kids have done incredibly stupid things to incriminate themselves, but this has to take the cake lol

Michael's picture

I'll answer that question with the purported video evidence that was also found earlier today:

 
edit: Late by a full hour :(

BuckeyeLurker0509's picture

LOL
I'm surprised LSUfreek hasn't cooked up something special for this yet...
Hopefully soon...that guy is an ARTIST.

Hovenaut's picture

Please tell me the Drew he's referring to is Drew Rosenhaus....that would be awesome.

If this is legit.

And he should be pummelled for the use of YOLO.

"Success - it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

Ohio1St81's picture

I definitely understand the comments here criticizing the unfairness of the rules, the implausibility of the accusations, and the hypocrisy of media involvement. But after our six months (from the news coming to light in December to Jim Tressel's resignation around Memorial Day) of scrutiny, outrage, sanctimony, and criticism, I have absolutely no sympathy for Johnny Manziel or Texas A&M - only his teammates who might pay for his selfishness and arrogance, if this is true. 
And obviously by six months, I mean two years. 

harleymanjax's picture

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

Hovenaut's picture

Upvote for ya HMJ, before I leave this...right...here...

I'd like to think this Johnny Cash would be a Braxton Miller fan....

"Success - it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

harleymanjax's picture

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

Fugelere's picture

Uhhh zombie Johnny Cash?  Upvote.

AndyVance's picture

I'll see your Johnny Cash, and raise you a Mike Vrabel:

cinserious's picture

Andy, if only your vrabel was the face in the pic a couple days ago of when vrabs head butted a player in a helmet. You know all zombie-like with the scars and stitches. Damn i wish i could Photoshop. Can anybody help a brother out?

"Get him a body bag, Yeah!"

PlanningBuck12's picture

I may be wrong but I thought that pic was from several months ago. Either way still a pretty gnarly pic. We should either play photoshop/caption this with our own versions of Johnny "Cash" Football. It can be like that scene in Talladega Nights where Will Farrell's family is talking about how they like to picture Jesus when they're praying 

PlanningBuck

"Anything easy ain't worth a damn" - Woody Hayes

AndyVance's picture

The Vrabel/Cash photoshop was among my submissions to a March Photoshop Phriday.

Fugelere's picture

Lol, love it! +1

Urban Nation Army's picture

Bet you can't say "Bert Bielma is a bumbling buffoon" five times fast.

btalbert25's picture

You can only compare it to the Ohio State scandal if there are emails discovered to line A&M's coach to the scandal too.  People always say, but selling their own stuff was worse, or free tattoos is so much worse.  You all miss the point.  Pryor and company would of been suspended a couple of games if it were merely just accepting free tattoos or selling their stuff.  Ohio State got in trouble because Tressel new about it and covered it up.  We can debate what his intentions were all we want, but at the end of the day he knew about it and THAT is what got Ohio State in trouble.  
If Manziel did violate a rule, he'll get a couple/few game suspension. If he violated a rule and the head coach knew about it and covered it up and lied about it, then A&M is toast. 

BuckeyeMark's picture

calm, cool, thoughtful, logical comments are usually not welcome on the interwebs, sir.

NoVA Buckeye's picture

But more importantly logical

The offseason begins when your season ends. Even then there are no days off.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

People also seem to forget that the DeGeranimo situation was what brought the hammer.

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Bucksfan's picture

No, that's what got Boom and Posey into more trouble.  What brought the hammer was that Tressel lied to the NCAA.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

No, pretty sure the bowl ban was the direct result of this being added to the giant bag of such we were already in.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

onetwentyeight's picture

So you're saying that if you just paid upfront in cash ... delivered via backpack ... then everything will be okay? 

RedStorm45's picture

Or if his Dad set it all up without JM knowing about it.

RedStorm45's picture

I haven't seen too many people comparing it to OSU's situation as a team (yet).  OSU had a group of guys, who then continued to get benefits during an investigation, as well as a coach who knowingly played ineligible players.
 
The comparisons are based on the dollar value of the items/cash received for being a college player.  Pryor, Posey, et al got 5 games BEFORE the NCAA found out about the Tressel e-mails.  This was for, what, maybe a few thousand (at most) in tattoos?  If JM got 5 figures...wouldn't it make sense the NCAA should follow roughly the same dollar value per game suspension?  Or basically 5 times what Pryor and Posey got?  I'm not an NCAA suspension expert (who is?) but if we go with $2K = 5 games....<<does math>> shouldn't $10K = 25 games?  That's the comparison people are making.  I also don't recall if $2K was the value of the tattoos, I was just making a guess there for an easy comparison.

CincyOSU's picture

The NCAA uses a sliding scale for issuing penalties in regards to impermissible benefits. Anything over $1000 is an automatic suspension for 30% of the season, or 4 games for football players. OSU's players got an additional game because they lied and did not initially cooperate. They NCAA can make adjustments to these penalties on a case by case basis based on mitigating factors. In this case, one would think receiving $50-$100K in money would be a mitigating factor.

Maestro's picture

Well said

vacuuming sucks

causeicouldntgo43's picture

Well said BT - pour yourself a shot of good bourbon as a reward..................

Toilrt Paper's picture

RIGHT......howerver is A&M COMPLETELY co-operating with the NCAA NOW as Ohio State did when they found out about Tressel's E-mails?               

labuck's picture

1600 items signed and authenticated by two different well respected companies...if true he is in deep doo-doo

vitaminB's picture

Personal Assistant?  Who is he Kenny Powers?

FROMTHE18's picture

I have to ask, how is Sumlin not getting destroyed by the media for letting this circus continue? Its pretty obvious he is barely turning his head to anything Manziel does because he is his ticket to success in the early stages of his career as a new 'big time' coach. Meyer gets blasted for the actions of his players, when no SEC coach gets touched when their players do anything. A few years back Saban had one of his players (Jimmy Johns [yes, like the sandwich place]) selling drugs out of the back of his car in the parking lot of the football facility in Saban's first year to kick things off. Auburn has had their fair share of off the field problems. Muschamp can no longer blame Urban for any problems with UF players (like the LB who barks at police), and LSU doesnt have the cleanest of records either. Add Manziel's under age drinking issue (i know we all did it, but we arent being followed by TMZ constantly) and his attitude about extreme YOLO-ing, and now TAMU has an issue. It seems like none of those coaches are held accountable for their players while, as well all have seen, Meyer has been bazooka-ed to death by ESPN and the like. There's hypocrisy, and then there's this. I'd definitely blame Manziel first for his BS, but Sumlin has to be a close, close second for allowing this MTV reality tv show to continue. As stated earlier, suspend him or this crap likely won't stop and then Sumlin needs to be blamed. 

RedStorm45's picture

No one seems to care he was set to suspend Manziel for all of 2012.  No one seems to care Manziel pleaded (pled?) guilty to a bar incident from the summer of 2012 (if I recall, a fake ID involved...), yet absolutely no punishment from A&M.  The staff and Sumlin are just enabling this circus to continue.

BamBamBuck's picture

This has been my biggest issue with the A&M coach and staff, in that they are just standing by watching this guy implode. Sumlin will be forced to punish Manziel (if any level of proof is available) simply to maintain any sense of credibility for himself and the program as a whole. If I were a HC making million$ I would not let this little snot nosed brat put my career of or livelihood in jeopardy!

BamBamBuck

Maestro's picture

They didn't write a book though.

vacuuming sucks

faux_maestro's picture

The real question is did Kevin Sumlin rig any raffles 30 years ago?

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DaiTheFlu's picture

Yes, but it is OBVIOUSLY Ohio State that has the culture problem. Ridiculous.

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

onetwentyeight's picture

It does seem weird that Saban and the other SEC coaches remain teflon to all these indiscretions by their players but Meyer gets routinely called out in the media.
However, Urban was getting ripped for the actions of his players even while still at Florida. I remember, because many of you on this board were the ones doing the criticizing. So, I don't think you can chalk this one up to B1G/SEC Media Bias. Probably more of a, "Urban can come across as an arrogant, ruthless prick" bias. Which, lets be honest, most of us thought he was starting back in Jan 2007 okay lol. 
All I care about now is that he's coaching FOR us (not against us) and that we're winning. Dynasty on the way. Haters to the left. 

acBuckeye's picture

Meyer was getting ripped by a lot of OSU fans, yes. But he wasn't being torn a new one while at Florida like he is now. The media loved Meyer when he was at Florida.

gobucks96's picture

As much as I think this is a big story. Part of me is still feels like it's dropping a grain of salt into a healing wound.
Please can college football get here soon enough?
 

ChazBuckeye's picture

And so it begins....a joke called investigating tSEC. 

Some people think we’re the hunted.I don’t feel that way at all.We’re the hunter.Everybody wants an angry football team.Everybody wants a team on edge and a hungry team.If you’re a hunter,that usually equates to being hungry.

GoBucksToledo's picture

My prediction is that, if history is any indication and if the NCAA acts on this, the investigation will stretch out at least until after the Alabama game.  ESPN will convince them that it wouldn't be in the NCAA's best interest to ruin the television audience for that, or any other, SEC game.

ChazBuckeye's picture

I'd even go a step farther than that...I'm going with this scenario.
ESPIN keeps spinning what they want, which won't be damning in anyway to TAMU or Johnny.  Then, tNCAA will state, "We're investigating a certain matter with Johnny Manziel selling memorabilia" (and of course nothing will be investigated towards TAMU).  Which will be an ongoing investigation that lasts until 2014 when both TX A&M will seize to be relevant in tSEC and Johnny will be on to his lack luster career in the NFL.  Sound familiar, bc it should.  It's the same scenario for Cam Newton.  Or you'll see the exact same thing we all did with him, and he'll get a whopping one day suspension right before the Bama game. And no, I'm not being cynical or funny.  You can almost bet your bottom dollar this will happen.  I'll give you two logistical reasons why, ESPIN and tSEC's TV contract until 2026 or beyond.  Then, the fact the tNCAA will take at least a year or more to "investigate" what they already have proof of and know!  It's the might SEC folks...nothing to see here!

Some people think we’re the hunted.I don’t feel that way at all.We’re the hunter.Everybody wants an angry football team.Everybody wants a team on edge and a hungry team.If you’re a hunter,that usually equates to being hungry.

BoFuquel's picture

Just another case of ESECPN  rules. Don't mess with Satan! GOBAMA is in charge. See ya in Pasadena Saint Nick. GO BUCKS!

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

gobucks96's picture

I could somewhat understand kids from a background of lesser means, but Johnny just pissed away his college career and didn't need the money.. Just plain stupid.

raki's picture

Nothing will happen... Its south.... They know how to cheat......

toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

He's already admitted he doesn't like being at Texas A&M, so maybe he deliberately did this to get kicked out and lose his eligibility, therefore, making him eligible for the next NFL draft.

acBuckeye's picture

This logic makes little sense. He can just leave whenever he wants to. He's not legally bound, I believe, to stay there at school. He doesn't need to do stupid things to get "kicked out." He can just sit this season out if he wanted to and then enter the draft. You don't have to lose your eligibility to enter the draft.

johnblairgobucks's picture

He would be 3 years out of high school. He would be eligible for draft anyway.

onetwentyeight's picture

I actually thought about this to, but in another vein. If anyone was to sue the NCAA over this rule and win, it would be a kid who [1.] has a rich family, so won't be economically harmed by a scholarship revocation [2.] is white (let's not kid ourselves - the NCAA exists to mainly screw over poor black kids. And yes, I hate the NCAA immensely. Bring on the flaming, I don't care) [3.] has already had his father express the sentiment that the school is only out for its own profits (a true observation, btw) and [4.] has no problem with forfeiting the rest of his college career for the NFL already, and so is okay with a ban while a lawsuit progresses (ie him tweeting he cant wait to get out of college station ). 
Legally speaking, if I were trying to sue the beejesus out of the NCAA (ed o'bannon waddap), you couldn't pick a better test client to file a case than Johnny Manziel. 
Now whether or not his camp set out to do this on purpose, is another story. I'm just saying, it wouldn't surprise me if they just decided to punt the upcoming season to stick it in A&M's face, sue the NCAA, and just have him prepare for the NFL already. (This also makes sense from a draft stock perspective, IMO. His stock will never be higher than after that Heisman year he's had. Sure teams will knock him for sitting out if he does, but not more than if he did play and was mediocre in his Heisman followup campaign). 

BROSEPH's picture

Here's the alleged proof from one of the brokers:

Maestro's picture

Proof of what?  That Maziel is in fact right handed?  That he apparently doesn't know that right handed people should wear a watch on their left wrist?  That he like fruit punch Gatorade?  

vacuuming sucks

BROSEPH's picture

It was sent to ESPN by the broker showing that Manziel was signing stuff and then he or his friend was demanding money later.  The picture was to, I guess, prove that this memorabillia broker did, in fact, meet with Johnny in a hotel to autograph stuff.
Obviously this doesn't show anything, and it could be a picture from a totally irrelevant event.  

BUCKI06's picture

I think you imported the wrong picture Broseph...this is the one showing proof.

"As long as we're keeping score, we're gonna try to win this thing." - UFM

BROSEPH's picture

Fantastic CSI work there buddy.  Open and shut case.  

ChazBuckeye's picture

I bet the powers that be say money changing hands in a photo is the only way to be sure...LOL (And again, I wish I were really kidding).  It's the SEC...nothing will happen! 
 
Edit:  Notice the G2 in the photo.  Looks like someone has learned their lesson about dehydration;-)

Some people think we’re the hunted.I don’t feel that way at all.We’re the hunter.Everybody wants an angry football team.Everybody wants a team on edge and a hungry team.If you’re a hunter,that usually equates to being hungry.

causeicouldntgo43's picture

Hey - signing autographs can make you sweat.............

FROMTHE18's picture

a receipt, video, photo of him accepting money would really be the only evidence that could prove this

ChazBuckeye's picture

Great minds think alike sir;-)

Some people think we’re the hunted.I don’t feel that way at all.We’re the hunter.Everybody wants an angry football team.Everybody wants a team on edge and a hungry team.If you’re a hunter,that usually equates to being hungry.

Grayskullsession's picture

SEC! SEC!  SEC!  SEC!  SEC!  SEC!  SEC!  SEC!  SEC!  SEC! 

"if irony were made of strawberries, we' d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now."

OSUStu's picture

I heard it was actually his dad that signed the autographs anyway.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

BuckeyeVet's picture

The inner troll in me that is still upset about tatgate rejoices.

You're an honest man, Jester.

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Toilrt Paper's picture

Poor little rich boy. The family is supposed to be worth in the neighborhood of $50 Mil. Daddy gave him a new Mercedes when he went off to college, because he was afraid what little Johnny would do to get one himself. Apparently daddy isn't giving Johnny a big enough allowance.

hspbuy1's picture

So all this signing of things was just to keep Johnnys arm loose in the off season? What a concept, 1600 signatures should about do it!

hspbuy1

jedkat's picture

...or a couple of playboys.

“The teams that don’t respect their coaches and don’t trust their coaches are the teams that go .500"
~Zach Boren

CincyOSU's picture

What do some of you people want? You all whine and cry every time ESPN even remotely paints OSU in a negative light(even when it is deserved) and say that they will NEVER cover anything related to an SEC school, yet the minute they do cover a potential SEC scandal you immediately assume it will be swept under they rug and painted in a positive light. Nevermind the FACT that there have been multiple front page stories and Sportscenter segments detailing how ESPN has uncovered several sources saying Manziel did indeed take money. Nevermind that ESPN was the FIRST to report this, unlike our own scandal where Yahoo, SI, The Dispatch, etc all "broke" scandals that ESPN simply reported after the fact. The amount of selective reasoning that goes on here is unreal. What else do you want? Manziel may or may not have broken NCAA rules. ESPN has covered this on multiple levels. It's now in the NCAA hands, yet we get comments like this:

ESPN will convince them that it wouldn't be in the NCAA's best interest to ruin the television audience for that, or any other, SEC game.

Really?? This is getting old. It's like some people aren't happy unless they are complaining.
Cue the Cincy works for ESPN nonsense...

cinserious's picture

Be honest cincy, do you really think the rhetoric will be fired up over manziela much as the tatgate scenario? The only reason espn brought it to light was because Johnny is aheisman winner and has been in the spotlight all summer (for negative reasons). Espn knows it Will catch attention. You know that if Johnny football made several grand of his autographs, is way worse than some players making chicken scratch or discounted tats for selling their own memorabilia.

"Get him a body bag, Yeah!"

CincyOSU's picture

I'm not really sure what you are trying to say here. These are two completely different scenarios. With OSU, we had multiple high profile starters who took several different kinds of impermissible benefits and then initially lied about it(which is why they received 5 games instead of 4 games). On top of that you had our head coach lie about what he knew and covered it up for over a year. THEN even more allegations came to light, ie the no show jobs for Posey and company. That's what most OSU fans can't quite grasp....we were in the news more because every month something NEW come out that the media could use for page hits. And just to be clear, we will never really know the full extent as to what some of the players actually made as Pryor, and a few key witnesses, would not cooperate.
With Manziel, as of now, it's only about him. There are no other players involved, nor is Sumlin involved so comparing Tatgate to Manziel really makes no sense.
Now, as I have said numerous times, why is the focus only on ESPN reporting this? Every other outlet is reporting the same thing, yet we are only worried about what/how ESPN reports this.
I do agree though that if this is true, he should be punished more than the standard 30% for taking over $1000(which is the NCAA guideline).
 

DaiTheFlu's picture

What do we want? How about objective and fair reporting of sporting news? I get that comparing this instance to Tat-Gate is an apples to oranges argument, but there has been a dramatic discrepancy between the way that Ohio State issues get reported and the way the SEC team issues are portrayed. During Tat-Gate, Terrelle Pryor and company were ruthlessly bashed for being selfish and putting themselves before their teammates. After this Johnny Manziel matter was revealed, within a couple of hours there was a video commentary on the front page of ESPN with the title "The rules need to be changed". Yes, the Ohio State players broke the rules, as did their - our - coach. And they and we have all paid dearly for those mistakes. But I don't remember seeing ANYONE talking about how screwed up the antiquated NCAA rules are during the 2010-11 scandal. And before anyone knows the facts or details of this Manziel case, ESPN already has commentary going about how "poor Johnny Football can't even sell his own autograph".

Don't try to tell me that Ohio State fans are being unreasonable with this, which is just one example among many. What do I want? I want for my team, my coaches and my fellow Buckeye faithful to stop getting crucified every time one of us runs a red light, when at the same time, players like Johnny Manziel are deified and worshipped for behavior that is just as questionable, if not more so.

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

Buckeye80's picture

Couldn't of said it better myself. 
Within hours of the story breaking, commentators (some on ESPN) were saying that they felt sorry for him and how Manziel is breaking under the enormous amount of pressure that he's under.  Is he the only 20 year old under pressure?  It's a poor excuse that is being made for him.  Now I'm not saying that there isn't some truth to that statement, but we've got 20 year olds over seas in the military being shot at everyday.  Now that's pressure.
Now I agree, the rules probably do need changed somewhat, but as Daitheflu said, why wasn't anybody (that doesn't bleed Scarlet & Gray) screaming this when Tat-Gate went down?

CincyOSU's picture

The point is that some on here only selectively focus on ESPN, as is the case with Daitheflu. He never once mentions that in addition to ESPN, Tatgate(or the issues with Gee and Hyde) was blown up all over the national sports media. SI, Yahoo, Sportsline, Fox Sports, SN, The Dispatch, etc all reported on Tatgate with the same frequency as ESPN. In fact, SI, Yahoo, and our own Dispatch all dug deeper to find more allegations, while ESPN simply reported what these outlets found. Yet, we ONLY vilify ESPN for their actions while the rest get a pass even though in many cases they were the ones responsible for us having to listen to all of the nonsense in the first place. Just because ESPN has a TV presence while others don't, hence more coverage, does not mean that they are against OSU.
Now had Daitheflu, and many others here, substituted ESPN for the national media in general, I would have to agree.

DaiTheFlu's picture

I think the reason that this occurs so much is the fact that ESPN is basically the be-all end-all when it comes to sporting news and how it is reported and portrayed. For better or worse, ESPN plays a HUGE role in shaping and manipulating the perception of a specific athlete or team, a role that no other entity can even come close to matching. Yeah, maybe CBS Sports or Fox or whoever report on some of the same issues, but they don't over-analyze and beat every little thing to death the way that ESPN does.
 
Hell, it's really just simple economics; ESPN has several 24-hour networks that need to have constant programming, the vast majority of which is filled in by shows like First Take, Around the Horn, Coin Cowherd, etc. You want more economics? How many billions of dollars are at stake in ESPN's contract with the SEC? To me, that says more about how the dominance of the SEC in football has recently come about, as opposed to the on-field product. I firmly believe that perception is the main reason why there are currently 5 teams in the top 10 from the SEC, and ESPN has done more than any other sporting news entity to reinforce that perception.
 
 

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

GoBucksOSU's picture

That quote was pointless anyway since CBS is doing the Alabama @ Texas A&M game anyway. Not ESPN.

BuckNut1070's picture

I want to see the outrage...and scorn of the media. GO BUCKS!!
 

 
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harleymanjax's picture

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

CentralFloridaBuckeye's picture

Very interesting.  Let's see where the NCAA goes with this.  Will they investigate an SEC school as hard as some of the others?

hspbuy1's picture

  I still haven't seen anyone come forward about the actual money exchange.  Without that I don't see any kind of crime being proven. 

hspbuy1

Volfen111's picture


^ if i were texas A&M i would do this.

i know only one thing thats certain..the power of human will
- joseph stalin

spqr2008's picture

If you're A&M, you simply put a call into his parents (using a burner phone), and have them launder the money through their accounts, then give it back to Johnny.  And you use the same burner, or conversations in a very private setting, to emphasize that no one should talk about any of this with the NCAA.  Cover up accomplished, because the NCAA won't have proof, and they would need at least something for it to stick to him.

TLB's picture

What we will learn from this is not to cooperate in the NCAA investigation. See Oregon, Auburn and UNC. They got hand slapped. Then see tOSU who gave them everything.

Unky Buck's picture

Come on...we all know Manziel didn't request compensation for this. The broker forced it upon him...

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