Men's Basketball Open Thread: Northwestern

By 11W Staff on February 14, 2013 at 6:40p
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Killer nuts's picture

Gotta win the ones you're supposed to win 

Seth4Bucks's picture

Anyone else having trouble finding a stream of the game?

Braxton2Devin's picture

This team is bad. There, I said it. They seem unmotivated and they most likely will get knocked out in the first or second round of the tourney

jaxbuckeye's picture

I assume it turns gray because of down votes?  Still trying to learn this site.  Why would people down vote you for telling the truth?  Is this THAT much of a Homer site?

Smanpoint10's picture

No. You pessimist's act like this the worst Ohio state team ever. It's rather annoying considering this team is ranked 13th, is 17-6 and will get at least a 5 seed

jaxbuckeye's picture

Oh well rankings are NEVER wrong.  Are you serious?  Anyone that sees a team for what they truly are is a pessimist?  If I were, I would have never made it past the 1st quarter.  Spare me your pious attitude.  Keep telling yourself how great this team is.....some of us actually live in the real world.

Smanpoint10's picture

i never said they were great. but they are in no way bad

Braxton2Devin's picture

Just stop it Deshaun. You aren't MJ

Timotheos's picture

Any links for a stream?
 

brandonbauer87's picture

Seems like a small crowd on here tonight so I'll just say it. Deshaun takes us out of our flow.  He's a hindrance. I think his game has regressed in the past couple weeks. I think he's fallen in love with his own stat line. 

KateUptonsLowerBack's picture

Brandon - that's nuts.

Without DT - we lose every game 40-65

jaxbuckeye's picture

His point is that DT takes a lot of crazy shots.  Yeah he makes a ton and is our best player but he's starting to revert back to freshman days of "I have to take this shot before I get pulled".

tennbuckeye19's picture

osu doesn't really have any other scoring options, so we have to live and die with thomas. unless someone else steps up, that is.

jaxbuckeye's picture

Yeah but I can't help but look at the offense Northwestern is running with all the screens and cuts and think how good we might be running something like that.  I feel like it's just a bunch of athletes standing around.

brandonbauer87's picture

Reality is that DT isn't that good. He has flashes of brilliance but he's nowhere near a complete player. I'd rather see his 15-20 shots go to Craft/Ross. I just think he's still selfish. Then again, I've never cared for Thomas. 

Braxton2Devin's picture

Our team is mediocre but has potential to be good

UrbanCulture's picture

we really ought to learn how to guard the three point shooters

Buckeyejason's picture

Lets turn it on boys!!

BUCKEYES BABY!

German Buckeye's picture

I think we have a bunch of folks who have been spoiled over the recent success of the program.  Is this team the 2006 team, no, but its a pretty good one all things considered.  Do we play to potential every night, no, but what team has this year.  We'll make some noise in the BIG tourney and the dance - I'm happy.

jaxbuckeye's picture

We must be watching two different teams.  I see very little about this team that I can label as "pretty good".  All I see are a bunch of athletes running around.  They are tied at home against a team with 7 players who mostly have whiteman's disease: run slow, jump low. 

tennbuckeye19's picture

but nw can shoot. that is the great equalizer.

Smanpoint10's picture

They have that other white mans disease call good shooting

UrbanCulture's picture

These refs have been kinda sketchy. Q not getting any playing time when the scouts are here to see him

Smanpoint10's picture

Hopefully we start going over screens so they don't make a three every possession. Or at least have the guy hedge better

jaxbuckeye's picture

This is the worst Buckeyes team I have seen in a long time.  They play with no fire.  Refs make horrible calls and they don't even react.  For as good as he is defensively, Craft is absolutely horrible on offense.  If he were getting a ton of assists that would be one thing but no assists and no points.  He doesn't even ATTEMPT shots.  Amir Williams has about the worst hands I have ever seen on a big man.  We are TIED at home with a team that is horrible to begin with but only has like seven players!  Where is the coaching Matta apologist?  How many times have they been beat on back doors?  EVERYONE knows it's coming.  Freaking JOKE!

tennbuckeye19's picture

Tell us how you really feel.

jaxbuckeye's picture

I thought that was the point of a forum.  Look I love the Buckeyes as much as anyone.  It's in my family blood and I've raised my son, who has lived his whole life in FL, to love the Buckeyes.  But, I can't sugar coat things I see.  It's frustrating to watch.  People can down vote me all they want and call me a bad fan but if I think they are great I will be the first to say it.  The opposite also holds true.

Smanpoint10's picture

The opposite of great is bad and this team is no where near bad.

jaxbuckeye's picture

Really?  You think this team is NO WHERE near bad?  Wow.  Now it feels like I am on a Michigan board.

Smanpoint10's picture

please enlighten me on what bad is. I have failed to realize that 18-6 is bad

jaxbuckeye's picture

Bad is subjective.  To me, it's a team that struggles to put away a NW team, at home, with only 7 actuve scholarship players, until  the last 2 minutes of the game.  It's a team that has lost to nearly every ranked opponent it's faced.   All that is based on the McD All Americans and athletes that are on this team.  No way should they lose that many and no way should this game have been close.

WolverineKiller's picture

Sam Thompson likes rejections on Valentine's Day

jaxbuckeye's picture

Injury to insult I just noticed the -17 1/2 next to OSU.  What a joke.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Not much of a half. Good news is that I doubt NW can be much more efficient than that on offense, or Thomas much less efficient, and it's still a tie.

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tennbuckeye19's picture

Well, that was rough first half. For some reason playing teams that shoot a ton of threes always proves difficult for OSU.

jaxbuckeye's picture

Which is mind boggling.  With our athleticism we should be able to smother them on the perimeter.  Are you telling me they can get past our players off the dribble?  Joke.

WolverineKiller's picture

Wow, I forgot I was watching the game on a 10 minute commercial delay via DVR.  Excuse my irrelevant comments until I get live. :-)

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Good thing Lenzelle Smith came to play today.

tennbuckeye19's picture

he might've been the only one...

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I actually don't think we're playing that poorly.  NW is shooting very well and we aren't playing our normal defense, but it's still decent.  I don't think we're terrible on offense either.  NW is doing a good job taking us out of our game.  I expect us to penetrate the zone a little better in the second half and get the ball down low.  But I don't think anyone, other than DT...maybe, is having a bad game.  I was actually pumped with the minutes that MacDonald gave.

tennbuckeye19's picture

i was actually kidding. i'm not thinking nw can keep up their shooting in the 2nd half. i still think osu wins.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

We do need to play some better defense and start making our foul shots - did I see it correctly - we're 4-9 form the line???  Ugh.  DT is the worst percentage shooter on the team thus far.

Smanpoint10's picture

Goodness. Half the people on here sound like my 6 year old niece when she doesn't get exactly what she wants

jaxbuckeye's picture

So what exactly should we be talking about on an open thread about the game?  I didn't know "wow this team is great" was the only thing allowed to be posted.  The fact that you label those that disagree with your assessment of the team as childish is exactly that.

Smanpoint10's picture

When you call this team bad because it's 17-6, ranked 13th, barely beating an extremely hot shooting team, and not gonna go 33-5 like we are used to, it is pretty childish

Knarcisi's picture

It's an opinion, one that we are allowed to have.  Not childish.  And it's a point that some of us agree with ... we're an average team.  I don't care that we are 17-6.  Look at our record vs. top 25 or RPI top whatever.  This is an average team by Ohio State's standards.  Some people just address their passion differently, and there's no issue being critical.  We're all Buckeyes, and all want the best.  I was on here the other night expressing open, honest opinion and had people telling me I knew nothing about basketball and was a troll.  You'd thought I pissed on Woody's grave ... a bit ridiculous. 

jaxbuckeye's picture

Thank you Knarcisi.  Expressing my opinion and saying I don't think this is a good team does not equal traitor.  Some people on here need to realize that.  I love this team as much as any of them.  I take no pleasure in saying it.  I just don't understand why they are so bad.  All I ever hear is how good of a coach Thad Matta is.  Maybe he is.  But I am seeing a lot of coaches do more with less.  Is it wrong to hold someone to their purported reputation?

Smanpoint10's picture

I believe it is when we all knew this team wasn't going to be as good as last year or the year before after losing sullinger and buford, and look! we are still a top 15 team easily

Clmm297's picture

I think this year, more than any in recent memory, is showing the importance of leadership from upper classmen.  For all that Deshaun and Craft are, they have not proven themselves to be great leaders.  The youth and inexperience of this team is really what I see is driving the inconsistency we are all seeing from half to half and game to game.  I actually think Matta has done one of his best coaching jobs this year.  I look at how Kentucky and North Carolina are struggling with their rosters of 5 star McDonalds All-Americans and feel pretty good about where we are and what we've done so far this season.  We are far from perfect, but I think our league play and performance down the stretch could be very important, if not this season, certainly for next.

Buckeye2005's picture

Jax--i would site Clmm297's comment above as an example of a good comment. 

Buckeye2005's picture

I would encourage you to offer constructive criticism instead of blatant bashing.  People on this board like to have honest conversation and debate with the understanding that the majority of us are die hard Buckeye fans.    

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Get rid of the 35 second clock. It helps make college Bball so boring.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

If DT doesn't start to play perimeter defense, I might consider benching him

Knarcisi's picture

Oh .... the humanity.

buckeye4life050233's picture

would be nice if we had no name players that could hit 3's like nw is doing

Buckeye Chuck's picture

The ability to shoot seems to be way the hell down on Matta's recruiting priority list, unfortunately.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Actually the best shooter on the team is the guy that is costing us the game right now.  Not even so much with his lack of offense tonight, but moreso with his lack of defense.  NW already hit up DT for 11 points this half...maybe more.

RedStorm45's picture

Wtf is Craft doing?

buckeye4life050233's picture

Wow this is just disgusting to watch

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

OK.  Let's what we're made out of now.  

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Iowa and Nebraska both beat these guys by double digits at home.
Is there some dissension on our team? Since the overtime in Ann Arbor, they've been horrible. They're going backwards. They're SPRINTING backwards.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

Knarcisi's picture

U G L Y, this game aint got no abilbi, it's UGLY!

Braxton2Devin's picture

I love how I just voice my opinion and all you homers bash me. Does anyone truly think this team is anywhere close to great? Maybe I was stretching when I said this team was flat out bad, but I'm pretty sure this team ranks somewhere in the mediocre category.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

you are entitled to that opinion, but watch who you call homers - that will get you what you're looking for.

Knarcisi's picture

I'm with ya and all about the honesty.  Got bashed on here the other night myself.  Was told I knew nothing about basketball and was a troll.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

There we go, DT needs to come alive. Crowd is getting into it. Let's go.

brandonbauer87's picture

People seem to miss the idea that down votes are not for differences of opinion. 

Knarcisi's picture

Then what are they for, exactly?

Braxton2Devin's picture

A comment that is uncalled for, flat out rude, trolling, etc.

brandonbauer87's picture

Upvote anything that's well-articulated.  Even if it's contrarian and inspires you to write up a 1500-word response, give opposing viewpoints the same love you'd give something you agree with 100%.
Upvote anything witty that makes you laugh (or most anything Denny posts).
Funny pictures? Upvote.
Use the upvote to cancel out needless downvotes.  Not everyone plays by the same rules, and a lot of quality comments get downvoted into oblivion because someone (A) doesn't like the poster, (B) doesn't like their arguement, or (C) doesn't like the team they root for.
Use your downvotes sparingly, for things that are obviously over-the-line.  If you're violating the policy (i.e. "being a jerk"), let the downvotes rain.
If it's borderline, play it safe.

Knarcisi's picture

That's nice, but there are plenty of people on here that downvote on a difference of opinion.

Knarcisi's picture

Time for leadership to take over ... Craft and DT.

Smanpoint10's picture

This team is looking ahead to Wisconsin.

Knarcisi's picture

Should have been looking forward to a W.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

They still might be... game isn't over.

Knarcisi's picture

Scott hit a 3?  When we need it?  Praise the Lord!

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Best looking shot Scott has taken as a Buckeye.

Knarcisi's picture

DT!  Junk Yard Dog!

Braxton2Devin's picture

Ohio State's kryptonite: the 3

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

We're just not fighting over the top of the screen.  That and DT is playing effortless D tonight.

Knarcisi's picture

When DT struggles from outside, would love to see him go to the post more.  He's so strong, and great noce for the ball and basket. 

Knarcisi's picture

Hightower is deserving of any asschewing Thad is giving him.  He's terrible. 

RedStorm45's picture

It's like being ranked 13th is awful for some people.  Spoiled, I tell ya.

Nkohl13's picture

No, we just don't settle for average. 

RedStorm45's picture

4th or 5th in the big ten and top 15 nationally isn't "average."

buckeye4life050233's picture

it actually hasn't been him as much as the bald dude......he has had some horrendous foul calls and no calls right in front of him

brandonbauer87's picture

In the last 4 games DT is a combined 25-68 from the field. Exactly why I said I think he's regressing. Trust your teammates.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

The smart kids are hard to shake, man.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

Knarcisi's picture

Stay in that post, DT!

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Gotta get a bucket here.

buckeye4life050233's picture

struggle against a team with 3 missing players and the 4th best with a semi ankle injury.....we are not good

Yamosu's picture

Oh thank you valentines god

Knarcisi's picture

Yes, this is because I ran out this afternoon and got my wife a nice gift.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

it's over.  Well done.  Way to pull the W out.

Knarcisi's picture

Tight game turned dunk contest for Slammin Sam.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

And just like that, it's going to be another double-digit (or close) road loss for the Wildcats. Nice last few minutes!

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

and tomorrow we can only hope to wake up not knowing how we won, only that we did, indeed, win

Knarcisi's picture

Good close.  regardless of who it was against.  Turned up the inensity when needed. 

Knarcisi's picture

May we return to scUM form in Madison ... love the rare wins at the Kohl's Center against those assholes. 

KateUptonsLowerBack's picture

We won & DT got his average. Those are the 2 most important things. I'm happy.

Knarcisi's picture

And he went to da post when we needed it most.

Braxton2Devin's picture

turn to the wisky game y'all

Knarcisi's picture

Ooh, Bo might have to deal with it.

Knarcisi's picture

The years aren't treating Saul Smith very well.  He looks like hell.

Knarcisi's picture

Deal with it, Bo!