Men's Basketball Open Thread: Kansas

By 11W Staff on December 22, 2012 at 3:45p
218 Comments
Thad Matta delivers a stink-palm to Bill Self
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4:00PM CBS Affiliates OSU (-5) #8 Kansas at #7 Ohio State

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FROMTHE18's picture

Shannon Scott needs to be in there

Jason Priestas's picture

Sam Thompson for three? Yes, please.

Jason Priestas's picture

Sloppy, sloppy start.

FROMTHE18's picture

no rhythm on the offensive or defensive side... getting bossed inside right now

Powers's picture

No point in fronting Withey if there's noone on backside help

johnblairgobucks's picture

well, they're going to let Thompson shoot.  Hope he makes em. 
Deshaun just lacks the foot speed to truely go one-on-one and take over a game with his offensive skill.  If Kansas guards him tough off of screens, someone is going to have to stepper up!

JakeBuckeye's picture

Am I missing something? Wasn't the new court supposed to be in by today's game? It seems like I'm the only one wondering where it is.

johnblairgobucks's picture

Maybe at halftime, they'll install it.  Hope they sneak in a smaller hoop on Kansas's end, as well.

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

Guys.  The new court will be put down after the game.
 
Second, nice substitution with Scott.  Make a difference.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Thompson is growing up. He's gonna need some help, though.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

ok.  tough start.  bad crowd.  
second, we need to toughen up and make this a dog fight.  KU is very skilled and large.  Need to get scrappy.
not sure what is wrong with Craft.  He got exposed in the Duke game, but thought he would recover.  Maybe not.  Lacks confidence right now.
Finally, we need to take it at them (to the body) on offense.  Be tough.
Go Bucks.
 

JakeBuckeye's picture

This is a great crowd for Ohio State basketball in the month of December if you ask me, hah.

Triv's picture

Bad crowd? No. I'm here and the place is electric

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

Crowd better.
Scrappier, check.
Craft looking good.
 

Ohiothomas1's picture

Honestly this is what I fucking hate about basketball. If you're tall, you'll most likely be good. Jeff Withey has no freaking ball skill, but since he's so damn tall, he can grab those rebounds. 

JakeBuckeye's picture

If you're tall, you'll most likely be good.

I really have to disagree with that. You have to put in just as much work to be good.

smithwessonBuckeye's picture

He has better body control than Amir does at this point.

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

Verns been drinking again.  Shannon Sharpe.  Come on now...

blazers34's picture

Jesus, Amir is friggin brutal. Got to at least give McDonald a chance

johnblairgobucks's picture

a little harsh, to call him brutal.  Dude isn't afraid to compete. 

blazers34's picture

Yeah, I know. Just get frustrated with him. The offensive rebounds are awesome, but he either turns it over or throws up a god awful put back

Ohiothomas1's picture

^^ It makes it a lot easier when you're tall. If you're 7 ft tall and moderately athletic, you already have a chance to be a great basketball player

Unky Buck's picture

Still not a huge fan of Amir at the line but he has definitely improves his FT shooting over the last few weeks.

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Powers's picture

Love me some Scott

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

Big Time!!!
DT for 3!!!
TO KU.  Go Bucks.

Unky Buck's picture

Man has he improved from last year

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Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

Shannon Scott has changed this game.  Go Bucks.

smithwessonBuckeye's picture

Sexy D. Thomas....Sexy.
 

BuckeyeUro's picture

Holly fucking cow scot
 

smithwessonBuckeye's picture

Scott seems to be big in big games...

Powers's picture

Love seeing this team running the floor!!

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

That's the only way we can play at the moment to be successful.  Without a low post presence, no sense to slow it down.  That gives Defense a break.
Just Push It and see what happens.

BeijingBucks's picture

This is a 'great scott' coming out party.
 
get him a nickname quick!

 

 

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wmbuckeye557's picture

The Schot sounds loud!

LadyBuck's picture

Hey you guys! Just came back from a trip. What have I missed?

BuckeyeUro's picture

You missed a great game come back from 8 points difference with scott being the man

LadyBuck's picture

I did see that part. Thanks for the info, though.

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

Amir just let it go.  Dumb second foul.  Let's see what Trey can do.  Use all 5 of his fouls.

vidstudent's picture

Was concerned I might need to download a CoverItLive app my phone has no space for (home with family == no wifi). Pleasantly surprised otherwise.

Nicholas Eckert

vidstudent

FROMTHE18's picture

need to settle down a bit

Kevbo714's picture

I hear ya... Refs definitely aren't for us right now

Tom Crean listens to Nickelback...

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

see you in the seond half.  I'll be back.  

Powers's picture

I'll repeat why are we fronting with no backside help?!

Jason Priestas's picture

Shannon Scott, tipping sexy back.

smithwessonBuckeye's picture

Totally not impressed with D. Thomas so far. He has completely disappeared.

BuckeyeUro's picture

Ross need to step it up

smithwessonBuckeye's picture

When he has had the ball today he hasn't looked as confident as he has in previous games.

johnblairgobucks's picture

 I wish I could selectively mute Kellog from the broadcast, and just listen to Anthony and Tim Blowhard.

LadyBuck's picture

Our O needs to step it up in general, but this is a good barometer for us thus far.

buckeyenut10's picture

Tethering from on the road and Firstrowsports stream is down. Anyone know where else I can watch/listen? (Other streams, straming radio stations, etc)

FROMTHE18's picture

someone should tell these guys they are allowed to score the basket

vidstudent's picture

Looks like glorious chaos out there. Would prefer a touch more organization. Still ahead, though.

Nicholas Eckert

vidstudent

Unky Buck's picture

Nice dunk from Smith. Hopefully that can get us going again.

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FROMTHE18's picture

Withey is a monster

OSUNeedles's picture

I think Ross is hung over...

johnblairgobucks's picture

nahhh, just slow of foot. 

wmbuckeye557's picture

Not much movement on offense again. 

BuckeyeUro's picture

McLemore is hurting us from the same corner with his 3s. need to do something about it.

LadyBuck's picture

Who's man is he?

BuckeyeUro's picture

Lenzelle was guarding him so far

LadyBuck's picture

Ugh, I don't know what is anymore.

dubjayfootball90's picture

perfect statement score... really needed that one....

Powers's picture

Gotta get the ball to DT every time down

Ohiothomas1's picture

Will we screw up in the 2nd half again

johnblairgobucks's picture

either you travel with time left on the clock, or there was no traveling, because there was no time left in the half.  Come on refs......shape up at halftime and slip in those scarlet tinted contact lenses.

dubjayfootball90's picture

good thing the gf and her family are sleeping. I am swearing up a storm!!!!

UrbanCulture's picture

will matta think about starting scott? without him on the floor our offense is nonexistent. Craft isnt getting it done on offense or defense this game

dubjayfootball90's picture

that pass craft tried to force in the paint toward the end was ugly   =\

BuckeyeUro's picture

Did not get why he tried to go for Ravenel when Withey was allover him!!!!!!

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

OK, I am not a Cuse fan, but Gotlieb is on drugs if he doesn't think a coach who wins 900 games with a National Title isn't an all-time great is just nutz.
 

dubjayfootball90's picture

yea, agreed. 900 wins is a pretty good indicator of that type of coach.. heh

Jason Priestas's picture

Shannon Scott with 10 halftime points, two off his career high.

tampa buckeye's picture

Scott should be a starter.
Amir and Ross need to hit the weight room and get physical.  Some people just don't like contact but you have to get into the chest of the shot blocker and make him foul you or back up. 

dubjayfootball90's picture

Saw the picture and imagined Kenny Powers saying this. Gave it even more validity.

johnblairgobucks's picture

up vote 100x's if I could.  Thomas and Ross also need some time with a plyometric/speed coach.

johnblairgobucks's picture

lol, not that I could do any better.  At 6'1" and over 230lbs, I'd be pathetic at basketball.

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

to only be down 2 with the other team hitting 56% from the field, we have to be happy.  Need to pick up the D in second half and keep crowd in it.
DT, let's go.

johnblairgobucks's picture

out shot, out rebounded, just down by 2.....get er done Bucks!

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

Smith has missed 2 wide open ones.

dubjayfootball90's picture

this is hurting me now.... we need to score
 

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

Ravenel is so slow.  too bad for him.

dubjayfootball90's picture

these three's not falling are killing me too

JakeBuckeye's picture

Our offense outside of Thomas is literally non-existant. Sad.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Our offense outside of Thomas is literally non-existant. Sad.

OSUNeedles's picture

Man... If only we could make a wide open 3!

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

Need Ross to ignite us.  And a little more Scott.  Can we expect a repeat from him 2nd half?  doubtful.

dubjayfootball90's picture

this is unbelievable...

wmbuckeye557's picture

Make up call. To much standing around. 

Buckeyes_Terrapins's picture

Just no consistent scoring ability. Really poor shooting overall, and the decent looks aren't falling. Tank has simply stunk so far. Not feeling good about the rest of this season.

dubjayfootball90's picture

good, now we are attacking, now we are putting them on their heels and getting some calls... keep it up and sink the free throws!!!

dubjayfootball90's picture

speaking of free throws, anyone else notice Amir's free throw % has gotten better since the beginnign of the year? (I know Amir did not just shoot those)

Unky Buck's picture

. Yeah I mentioned that earlier. Hard to trust on the line but it's nice seeing the improvement

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dubjayfootball90's picture

i think at Duke they said he had 27% from the line, he has definitely gotten better since then... heh, very good to see improvement

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

Great game no matter what.
Let's go boys.

dubjayfootball90's picture

nice, good call, thats something to get the boys riled up

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

just a dumb ass foul by KU.  both teams aren't playing smart ball.

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

oh, btw.  I'll take it.

Danify's picture

how was that last flagrant foul a hard call lol...

Buckeyes_Terrapins's picture

He hooked his arm like he was walking a date down the street.

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

Springs Thompson is one hell of an athlete.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Jason Priestas's picture

Slightly flagrant.

Timotheos's picture

Thompson should just jump from the free throw line and dunk it, instead of shooting FT.

Ohiothomas1's picture

KU has been fouling Craft all game. 

RedQueenRace's picture

Shooting percentages:
Kansas 54.1%
OSU: 29.5%
 
 

dubjayfootball90's picture

8 minute scoring drought

HighBallAce's picture

Seem's like Ohio State's picks are falling apart on the perimeter. That and they can't make shot to save their lives!
 

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

will Matta every outcoach another coach in a big game.  time and time again, he makes no adjustments.  No Ross.  WE need a shooter.

Conroy's picture

Matta can't make the shots go in.

Buckeyes_Terrapins's picture

Shooting 28.3% right now. Disgusting

RedQueenRace's picture

And it isn't even good D on Kansas's part.

OSUNeedles's picture

Forget my comments about making a 3... Just make something!

Buckeyes_Terrapins's picture

Young took about 7 steps on that one and no call but okay

Ohiothomas1's picture

OSU is Kansas' bitch

BSTP DeCon's picture

Hopefully we play them in the tournament so I can win more money. I swear, betting against tOSU against KU is the easiest money ever made if tOSU is predicted to win.

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

again.  we cannot just roll the ball on the court and beat Top 10 teams with talent.  You have to make adjustments and we NEVER do.  Never. 
I am so....  Frustrated.  
Take the 3 pointer and lose it when you are not making them.  Take the ball to the rack and force the refs to make the call.  And make your throws.

OSUNeedles's picture

Where the hell was that foul!?! I remember why I hate watching basketball. It is completely controlled by officials.

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

Hey Greg Anthony, shut your face.

Sincerely,

People who can hear.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

DallasTheologian's picture

This has not been a fun one to watch

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

We look like the Nuggets from a few nights ago

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

dubjayfootball90's picture

please stop shooting 3's.... we are just not hitting them. Get a few two's, get some confidence, then go back to the 3's
 
and that shot Kansas just made is exactly how I feel.... just BS..... imploding in the second half, again....
 
WAKE UP!!!!

BuckeyeUro's picture

Its slipping away, hate to watch us lose at home

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

Why do we keep shooting 3's ???  For the love of...

dr green's picture

Can our guards buy a basket? Any basket?

BuckeyeUro's picture

And this is Ross when we needs him most!!!!

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

Lots of work to do. Amir a williams needs to play more. We cannot guard baseline. Out of bound plays

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

johnblairgobucks's picture

kansas's athletic ability is showing up.  They are a much more fluid team, than OSU. Kansas seems to have better basketball instincts with their passing and getting into scoring position.  Also,OSU just isn't a good shooting team.  Lot's of work to do to  before they get into the NCAA Tourney.

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

They have run the same out of bounds play 3 times and have scored 7 points off of it.  That is just sad.
the guy making the first screen rolls around for the oop.  Same play we run with Thompson.

PharmBuck's picture

Not enough O on this team. 4 or 5 seed for the Tourney and a Sweet Sixteen birth at best if we are lucky.
 

"You're pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got 9 guys who better go do it again," said Meyer. "Do it a little harder next time."

RedQueenRace's picture

No post game when the jumper doesn't fall.
But this shooting display is unbelievable.  Many of these aren't even contested.

dubjayfootball90's picture

That stretch where we went 0-10... of we make just 3 shots.... THREE, we are in this game still.....
 
by "In" i mean down by 4 or less

Unky Buck's picture

When is the last time we made a basket? This is so frustrating.

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Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

Absolutely zero coaching going on for us.  We have continued to shoot open 3's.  They are giving them to us.  Why, cause we cannot throw it in the ocean.  This is embarrassing...

OSUNeedles's picture

Just start punching people or something... We have to connect something in this half.tY

dubjayfootball90's picture

If we miss one more 3 i am done for the night

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

2FG in 15 min

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

dubjayfootball90's picture

im done, later guys. Still love my Bucks.... I am getting too pissed I just snapped at my gf about nachos...

JakeBuckeye's picture

At some point I let out a shriek that I didn't know my voice was still capable of letting out. So bad.

RedQueenRace's picture

Don't these announcers realize that a team that can hit open shots would be shredding Kansas?

skiehl's picture

Craft is too much of an offensive liability

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

At the 2, he sure is.  He can hide by playing point, but make no mistake when he goes to the shooting guard.  It just ain't that.  I vote for playing Ross at the 2 some with DT at the 3.

johnblairgobucks's picture

we'd have the slowest #2 and #3 in the conference, west of State College and east of Iowa City.

JakeBuckeye's picture

I miss football season. I haven't been this frustrated because of an Ohio State athletics game in a while.

thatlillefty's picture

terrible time to forget how to score

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

These announcers are spot on.  We are gassed once again.  Why? you asked.  Well you didn't, but anyway, cause Matta doesn't use a bench.  For years, he was a afraid.  Well now he is just stubborn, cause outside of DT, our bench players are as good as the guys that start the game.  There is no excuse.  We should be shuttling players and playing 90 feet of up beat basketball.  No Sully, no slow down game.  Need to get out and run.
Hopefully Matta will listen to one of his assistants.  He has good ones and we cannot be the only ones seeing what happens in big games.  We get tired every year in the tournament.  Shots are short at the end.  Why, cause we are always tired in the end.
Go Bucks.

William's picture

Shannon Scott, Amir Williams, LaQuinton Ross have all seen minutes. And Deshaun Thomas is jacking shots up. This isn't on Matta, he can't make the ball go in the basket. 

jaxbuckeye's picture

Yeah because he isn't the coach and isn't in charge right?  This is COMPLETELLY on Matta.  Same Matta coaching.  Just let them keep jacking up the shots.  When they play sucky teams they can get away with it.  There's a reason Matta never wins a big game.

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

believe what you will.  I have followed the Matts teams for years.  Playing Ross 4-5 minutes a half is not what I am talking about.  Scott saw minutes as well as Williams.  Agreed.  Sorry, I have just seen him outcoached too many times in the big games.  Trust me, I am getting greedy and understand that.  Matta has been a Godsend for our BBall program.  I get it, just telling you what I see and know.  dude...  :)

johnblairgobucks's picture

not buying our team being tired.  Getting beat by better teams  and piss poor shooting has been dooming us.  Last year vs Duke, we seemed to make everything we shot, and we also looked like the best team in the country at that point.  Name any team that you thought was awesome, that shot less than 40% from the field.

HighBallAce's picture

They ARE tired though. When your tired, you lose your legs and when you lose your legs, you lose your shot!

Unky Buck's picture

I think we got your point 10 posts ago...you don't like Matta as a coach. No need to keep harping on it.

And as others have said, he can make the baskets go in. Our guys had one of the worst shooting games I think I've ever seen.

But I'm not going to panic. Last year we played terrible for a long stretch of games during B1G play and got it together by season's end. We have a long ways to go.

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Buckeyes_Terrapins's picture

We look like a bad JV team tonight.  Really painful.  Kansas has played pretty well but we've just been atrociously bad.

ODEEZ330's picture

Turdish performances. 4th best team in BIg. Hopefully the cavs draft mclemore lol

O'Deez330
stark county football

William's picture

Got back from a NC State game, and turned the TV on. What in the fuck? 1/13 from 3? Turrible fucking offensive performance. 

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

Refs are terrible too. Both ways.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

BeijingBucks's picture

2nd half shooting % what... 5%?

 

 

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jaxbuckeye's picture

Talk about an overrated team.  This team SUCKS...as in lucky to make it out of the first round SUCKS.  Once again Thad loses the big game.  Big shock.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Well, we hear that every year from Ohio State fans, and its still just as ridiculous of a statement, but this game has been very frustrating.

Danify's picture

What is a ridiculous statement? That Thad Matta can't win a big game ... it's true, he can't, name me a hand full of games he has won over "good" or better teams. That's right, barely any.

JakeBuckeye's picture

This team SUCKS...as in lucky to make it out of the first round SUCKS

Fans start talking about early tournament exits and just end up sounding silly once March comes around.

jaxbuckeye's picture

So what round do you think they will make it to?  They barely beat WINTHROP AT HOME!  They jack up shots and Matta lets them do it.  He overplays his starters and when he gets to a good team, they will do the same thing all good teams do to the Buckeyes: they will wear them down.

JakeBuckeye's picture

I'm not silly/immature/lacking of college basketball IQ enough to try and guage what round this team will make it to in the NCAA tournament (IN MARCH) while we're playing IN DECEMBER.

jaxbuckeye's picture

So I'm silly/immature/lacking a college IQ, huh?  Well clearly you don't know much about basketball then if you can't see that this is not a very good team.  Based on your logic the Buckeyes will get better from now until then while other teams stay the same or regress?  Haha, OK, bro.

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

Matta is an excellent coach. Sure he has his shortcomings, and he hasn't won the NC but he is still an elite coach.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

jaxbuckeye's picture

Bahaha!  Elite?  Hardly.  Good yes.  Elite?  No way.

Clmm297's picture

Matta was 0-0 from the field....everyone else was 20-65.  How is this loss his fault?  Players have to make plays.  By your logic, if the players who were on the court would have made ten more field goals Matta would be a genious.  

BSTP DeCon's picture

Good coaching helps a team win games. By your logic, Meyer didn't win us 12 games this year. Basically the same team the year before that went what? 6-7?? 

Clmm297's picture

You're right...Matta should be fired tomorrow.

johnblairgobucks's picture

football to basketball = apples to oranges
by that logic, blaming Matta for good good basketball shooting and bad basketball shots would be like giving Meyer credit for Braxton's TD passes and then blaming him for Rod Smith's fumbles.
 

BSTP DeCon's picture

I'm not comparing football to basketball. I am simply using it as a coaching reference. I have yet to see a horrible coach, coach the top teams. Odds are, if you have a bad coaching staff, you will get beat at least 9/10 times. Matta isn't a horrible coach, but he certainly got out coached tonight.

Clmm297's picture

Kansas' players outplayed Ohio State's players....that is why we lost!  I want you to post after the next victory and proclaim coaching is the reason for that victory.

BSTP DeCon's picture

Obviously players are a reason why a team would win or lose, but to say coaching has NO EFFECT in competitive sports is foolish. Heck, James Kinney is one of the top scorers in the country and yet San Jose St is barely breaking .500 on the season. It isn't because they can't score, it's because of coaching. Ohio State went 6-7 last year with the same players as last year almost entirely, yet we go undefeated this year. It isn't entirely the players that control how well they are, but good coaching to help a team prepare you is a HUGE factor. If you don't believe so, I doubt you ever did good in ANY sport growing up.
 

Clmm297's picture

Once again, you are right.  I hope the university already has the presser scheduled to announce Matta's dismissal.

BSTP DeCon's picture

I don't think you understand at all what I have been saying. Show me where I said I wanted Matta fired... I stated above that he isn't a horrible coach and he simply got out coached tonight. I don't understand how you can't comprehend this... Smh

Clmm297's picture

I don't think you understand...until your coaching record is better than Thad Matta's, until you are running practices, until you know the players on this team as well Thad does, etc. I don't think you are qualified to render a relevant opinion on whether or not he got out coached.  I am always amused by couch coaches who post disparaging comments about our coaches after losses.  Maybe this team isn't as talented as Kansas and Matta coached the best game of his life to salvage an 8 point defeat?  We don't know.  We aren't in the locker room.  We aren't at practices.  We've never coached a D1 game in the Schott in front of 15,000 people.  We are fans.  We are disappointed by losses.  Posting emotionally based criticisms is ridiculous.  Do you understand?

BSTP DeCon's picture

You don't need to have a better coaching record than someone else to have an opinion about such a horrible defeat. Thanks to my brothers and sisters in arms, it actually doesn't take anything to have an opinion on someone or something. I am pointing out the obvious and you constantly are putting these foolish words in my mouth when I claimed no such thing. Matta didn't coach the best game of his life. That second half he sat there speechless for numerous minutes. If you call that, "coaching" I feel bad for your counter argument. If you're saying he didn't get out coached, what is your opinion on how he didn't? Oh wait, your not a D1 coach that doesn't lay claim to a better record than Matta so you don't have an opinion. Since we are all out ranked by the Chief of Staff, I guess we all can't have an opinion on him too!! Your argument has numerous flaws in everything you are stating. Get back to me, this is amusing.

Clmm297's picture

You have contradicted yourself so many times that I think you have forgotten what you have said....some people just can't be reached!  You are embarrasing yourself.  Please stop with your lunacy!  My stomach hurts from laughing at your ridiculous comments.  Continue to live in your world, I'll live in the real world.  Drink another Natty Light and go to bed before you start to lecture me on politics, religion, domestic fiscal policy, global warming and whatever else you think you are an expert on.  I'm sure your genious is not limited to college basketball.

BSTP DeCon's picture

Point it out how I'm contradicting myself. I'd almost pay to see this because I have literally been saying the same thing. No beer for me tonight, that's what I get for midnight shift :( You still have yet to answer my question or are you a tad bit too inept to figure it out? Don't act like you're such a prize, you haven't accomplished jack compared to what I've done. 

Clmm297's picture

Check your 8:05 post for the first contradiction....
 
"Don't act like you're such a prize, you haven't accomplished jack compared to what I've done." - your exact words....have we met?  Oh wait, you're an expert on all topics.  You know it all.  Please use your wisdom to provide cures for all the world's diseases, pass along the solution for the economy, tell us all what happened in Benghazi.  Stop wasting your time on Ohio State athletics.  

BSTP DeCon's picture

Well, unless you can top a couple Commendation medals, Achievement medals, serve America 4 successful deployments to Iraq, Afghan, and Africa, I find my achievements to be pretty worthy standing next to most civilians quite frankly. You're statements have nothing to do with sports in general, I have been referring to coaching since yes, 2005. Stop wasting your time on Ohio State Athletics. I'm sure your Mom and Dad would appreciate that rent money I'm sure you owe them, so better get to it. I said GOOD DAY!

Clmm297's picture

Thank you for your service to our country.  I now know more about you than you know about me, which is exactly my point.  You know nothing about me and nothing about coaching OSU basketball, yet you come on to a website and comment as though you do.
 
Let me make it simple for you.  Here's what you and I both know about yesterday's game: Kansas scored more points than OSU did.  Check the boxscore for more facts, and let me know where it shows that Thad Matta was out coached.  Trying to convince me otherwise is a waste of time.  And yes, I did watch the game.  What I saw was a lack of execution by the players that resulted in a loss.  I know, I know, I know....you watched the game and saw a loss resulting from, at least partially, Thad Matta being out coached.  Simply post on this site after every victory that it was a result of Matta out coaching the opponent and I won't consider you a hypocrite.

BSTP DeCon's picture

The only reason I am saying he was out coached because he FAILED to make adjustments. If something isn't working and hasn't been working, why proceed to keep trying it? How many 3's did he have his players attempt before he changed up the game plan? Craft is best when he plays the point, not 2 guard. He has been all season (yes, I know we're not even into Big 10 play yet). Scott is terrific off the break, and Craft is good with the ball at half court. A Williams is the only one setting screens besides Ravennel who sets them 15 feet from the board. Scott ignores them entirely and Craft uses them half the time coming back the other way which only gives him a step on the defender. This doesn't make sense to me. I am aware of Matta being out coached will never show up on a scoreboard, but I believe he truly was. If something isn't going your way and you keep trying it, that to me means you are out coached. He failed to make adjustments. We've been saying for the past couple years that Craft is a great player because of the stuff he does that doesn't blow up on the scoreboard. If we account for what he does that's not reflected on the scoreboard, why can't we for the head coach? Furthermore, the whole point of a blog is to comment your opinion on whatever you'd like. Am I wrong for stating my opinion? I didn't think so either. I'm not saying I am a master coach and I can make any player elite, but whenever I notice something isn't working, I'd at least try something different. 

BSTP DeCon's picture

@JOHNBLAIR,, I hope you know Meyer doesn't directly coach Braxton nor does he directly coach Rod Smith. He is a HEAD COACH and we do have position coaches for QB and RB. Just a heads up. 

William's picture

Just like we have respective coaches for our frontcourt and backcourt players..... Or at the very least for shooting and play within the paint. Matta is the HC, all he can do is tell the players what to do, they have to execute. Guys were missing wide open shots, what is he supposed to do? Get into a tizzy, scream, stomp around? 

BSTP DeCon's picture

I agree 100% with your statement. Definitely wouldn't want him to a hissy fit, but I would like more emotion than sitting there speechless for numerous minutes...

BSTP DeCon's picture

Wow, Ohio State is clearly the most overrated team in the Big 10. Horrible coaching by Matta and horrible shot percentage in both halves. What was our percentage in the 2nd half? Imma be surprised if it's about 10%

BuckI_1033's picture

So when does football season start? It's not even that they played bad or aren't as good as the past couple years, it's just boring to watch. 

"You'll be proud of our young people in the classroom, in the community, and most especially in 310 days in Ann Arbor, Michigan on the football field." 

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

We couldn't buy a basket, but this is something we can improve on. Not worried, it's only December.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Lincoln's picture

We have issues( we kind of stink) but this is December not March. Chill people

WezBuck28's picture

So this is what it feels like to be the Michigan football team when they play us.. Just can't seem to find a way to win..dammit man!!

Rather_Be_Golfing's picture

Good night fellas.  We will hopefully learn from this.  It is only December, that is true.  We have 3 months to get ready for a run.  Without an inside presence to use when outside shooting isn't working, gonna be tough though.
 
Go Bucks.

Buckeyes_Terrapins's picture

Football fans generally don't make good basketball fans.  All y'all hating on Coach Matta, just...stop it.  Come March things will be different.

BSTP DeCon's picture

If we can make it to March... Michigan, Indiana, MAU, Illinois, Minnesota will give us plenty of problems. If we can't win any of those games, we have ZERO legitimate teams on our resume. Just sayin'...

JakeBuckeye's picture

LOL. I thought I had seen it all. Nope. We as Ohio State fans outdo ourselves every year, it seems. This is a new low for melodramatic Ohio State fans. An insuation that we're not going to make into the NCAA tournament IN DECEMBER.

johnblairgobucks's picture

when the going gets tough, true colors get flown.  OSU needs to get to 20 wins to get into the NCAA Tournament.  I hope they can.
I've always enjoyed rooting for the underdog in events not displaying OSU.  This basketball season, I get the best of both worlds.

BSTP DeCon's picture

Good wins/losses in December count towards March Madness, right? With the way they played tonight, I can't see how they will beat ANY legitimate team. We shot HORRIBLE against Duke and even worse against KU at HOME. If we played like that, do YOU see us beating Indiana, Michigan, MSU, Minnesota, Illinois if they even played decent? I'm not seeing it.

RedStorm45's picture

Around the 3 or 4 minute mark, Thad just sat back for awhile and didn't say a damn thing.  Not sure if it's because he was frustrated with the (non) shooting display, officiating, or didn't care at that point.  But still, come on Thad.
No one on this team can score consistently.  I don't care about games against UNC Asheville.  We can't beat top 25 teams right now.  You know those "resumes" ESPN likes to throw up in Feb/March with quality wins and bad losses...our quality win column will be N/A.
 

BSTP DeCon's picture

At least someone here is seeing it my way. Thank you, RedStorm! Lol

TNbuckeye91's picture

Some of you all suck so bad. Its a young team. Very y piss poor shooting. But blaming matta that no one can hit an open shot? You all are pathetic and very very spoiled.

jaxbuckeye's picture

Clearly you've never actually played.  If you can't hit an open shot, you take it to the basket for easier shots and to draw fouls.  If they are jacking it up from the outside and not hitting anything it is the coach's job to stop it.  He is in charge.  Matta always seems to let his guys freelance out there. I feel like I'm watching a Mike Brown team.