Sloppy Buckeyes Outlast UAB

By Chris Lauderback on September 22, 2012 at 3:22p
119 Comments

In their final tune-up before conference play, the Buckeyes turned in another lackluster effort but hung on to defeat UAB, 29-15, this afternoon in the 'Shoe.

After the Bullets surrendered a 16-play, 80-yard FG drive that trimmed the Ohio State lead to six at 21-15 early in the 4th quarter, Braxton Miller led a 10-play, 71-yard TD drive followed by a two point conversion, putting the Buckeyes in control at 29-15. 

In his first start as a Buckeye, Doran Grant picked off an Austin Brown throw on the ensuing possession to seal the deal. 

Luke Fickell's defense missed another dozen-plus tackles and gave up 403 yards but surrendered just nine points. Everyone confident heading to East Lansing next weekend? Me neither. 

For now, do your best to celebrate the 400th win in Ohio Stadium. 

 

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USMCBUCKEYE82's picture

Well at least we aren't the Hawkeyes
 

ekeith21's picture

Pentalties and miss tackling. This is a poorly coached team. Plain & simple...

nickma71's picture

At least one other person here can admit the coaching staff is incompetent. The other problem is Miller's passing. Who finds these bozo's that do TV games? He wrongly said Miller running opened up the passing game.
1.No, bad passing early by Miller shut it down. When he got accurate, things got better. Love the dude, don't get me wrong. He might as well be a true Freshmen after last years debacle.
2. The players on defense are physically weak. The other teams, not just UAB are running through tackles. Aside from Big Hank and Simon....If I had DVR'd the game, I would go back and track yards after contact. It seems like dozens of times they got 5 more after being hit.
3. Meyer went Tressel, right after said idiot announcer declared what OSU needed to do (run right into the defense) late in the game.
4. Thank God Miller and Hall are as good as they are on their feet.

Buckeyejason's picture

THE SKY IS FALLING!1!1!1!1 lol

BUCKEYES BABY!

Idaho Helga's picture

Jim LaChey(sp?) just commented "the point of scheduling this game was to get better. I'm not sure that they did".  Best comment of the day.

buckeye76BHop's picture

Couldn't agree more with Jim and you as well Helga...

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

buckeye76BHop's picture

4-0 is wonderful... However all around sound fundamentals this team seems to be lacking and I know others have seen it too.  Not looking good...a lot to get figured out and not much time to do so.  MSU will run the ball right at us...and you can bet your bottom dollar this defense will see screens and slip screens all year long.  It's obviously a deficiency for this defense.  Wow...all I can say to that sloppy play by a much more capable team...it was hard to watch at times.  Is UAB really that good???  I didn't think so...

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

William's picture

One word describes that game: turrible.

Maceyko's picture

Yeah I hate when my team is 4-0 heading into the Big Ten schedule.  It really sucks.  I thought we all knew that this year we'd have growing pains and we'd likely have 2-3 losses?  I didn't see many people saying we'd be 12-0 or 11-1 so why the sudden loss of faith?  It could be worse - we could be IOWA today.  Geez.

Chris Lauderback's picture

True. But the goal in Columbus isn't to be a smidge better than Iowa. I don't see how anyone can take anything positive from today other than nobody got hurt. Joke performance, if you ask me. 

buckeye76BHop's picture

Couldn't agree more with you as well Chris.  I'm sure glad I didn't get talked into getting tickets with my friends for that game.  Their text messages echo your sentiments of a joke performance.  

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

Buckeyejason's picture

Iowa will always be Iowa, but Ohio State is supposed to blow out bottom feeders like UAB by 40. After all, we have "the best coaching staff in the country" along with a bunch of former 4 and 5 star recruits. Right? At least thats what  everyone says before the game and all the pre game score predictions usually average out to about 52-10.

BUCKEYES BABY!

kr66osu's picture

At least we won, but man that was even worse than last week

Baroclinicity's picture

Wonder if this will be a team that constantly plays to the level of its opponent.  We'll see next week.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

hodge's picture

My thoughts exactly.

onetwentyeight's picture

Offense: Will only go as far as Brax can take them. Brax is young & developing, ERGO offense will be inconsistent. Not worried in the long run. 
 
Defense: Fire Fickell. That is all. #Overreaction #DontCare #ZeroEvidenceHeCanCoach

Maceyko's picture

And my comments weren't based on the above here necessarily, but just the general comments from different posts on the site.  You'd think we lost the game and our team is 1-3 or something.  We have a LOT to work on no doubt, but I will still take this coaching staff over 99% of others anyday.  I'm enjoying it even if today was ugly at times.  Next week will tell us more for sure!
 

rkylet83's picture

A win is a win...but seriously we're in trouble if we cant start making tackles.  I don't blame the  coaches as much as the players.  We're in position to make the plays...we're just not making them.  Simple stuff like making tackles and wrapping up.  These are things the guys shoukd be used to doing since grade school.

BrewstersMillions's picture

Still waiting for 'First Round' John Simon to show his face. Made one nice play not getting sucked in on a roll out but maybe he should work on one on one drills a little and spend less time on his cheer leading.
 

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

onetwentyeight's picture

Seriously? Were you watching the same game as the rest of us? The entire time it felt like the defense was Simon, Nathan Williams and 9 othere dudes we pulled out of RPAC and suited up. Geeez. 

William's picture

Lol What? Simon had his ankles broken on several occasions. The guy is a great leader and has heart, but he definitely has underperformed expectations, even of they were outlandish from the start.

Chris Lauderback's picture

I don't have any issue with Simon but the only defenders that impressed me today were Hankins and Doran Grant. Hank had 10 tackles for 2nd straight week. 

William's picture

Hankins was great today, and Grant was really solid. I have no idea why Roby and Grant aren't the two starters at CB. Also someone needs to sit Bryant's ass. He had two personal fouls for just being stupid. 

onetwentyeight's picture

Roby didn't play today

William's picture

I know that. Howard and Grant played today. I'm just saying that Roby and Grant should be the starters, not Howard and Roby.

buckeyedude's picture

Hankins played well despite getting double teamed on almost every play.
The offense needs to show more consistency and take pressure off the defense. I've been optimistic up until today.
There is NO WAY this team goes undefeated. They are not executing. Need El Guapo back for inside power game.

 

 

741's picture

@William: Howard's 4 INT's so far aren't enough for you?

Buckeyejason's picture

I'm not William, but no..he's terrible in coverage.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Buckeyejason's picture

He got his ankles broken yet people want to see him at Mike, lol! 
I can't hate though, Simon's my dude and busts his ass..goes hard every play and between him and Hank they are the whole defense.

BUCKEYES BABY!

BrewstersMillions's picture

Exactly my point Jason. People love him for what he does off the field and its cool. I'm begging that he do something on it to warrant his hero worship
At this rate, get ready to wave bye bye to Hank, for the record. He's going to be a top 5 pick. 300 plus with his lateral movement? Thank you very much.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

Buckeyejason's picture

Yes on Hank, I agree. I guess people expect so much from Simon because of what he did last season. I don't expect him to put up 2007 Gholston numbers..I think most do though, I dunno why.

BUCKEYES BABY!

BrewstersMillions's picture

He can turn it up in B1G play and I'll eat as much crow as I can choke down. But we are %33 through the season and I'm just unimpressed.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

Tommy's picture

Simon requires 2 guys to be blocked.  Ask Herman what that does for the numbers game on offense.

BrewstersMillions's picture

Ya, he was all over the field. Getting too far upfield, missing tackles, getting cut and getting swallowed up by one lineman at a time. Jonathan Hankins held that defense together by a thread.
The D played a very bendable but not breakable game but its been 4 games now against vastly inferior competition and John Simon has shown 0 consistency and has yet to dominate a drive let alone a game. I know he's well liked because he's scrappy and fiery but maybe fans are caught in the myth that is Simon and fail to realize he has played below average at best. This was a guy fans couldn't wait to see. Quite frankly I can't wait to see him get off of the field.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

cplunk's picture

Actually Garret Goebel held it together more thank Hank. Goebel never gets the credit he deserves.

cal3713's picture

Goebel may deserve some credit, but it is not possible to over credit Hankins.  That dude has been an absolute beast for 3 games in a row.

Buckeyejason's picture

^ ah that's cold Brew, he is TEBOW LIKE THOUGH!!!

BUCKEYES BABY!

Bucksfan's picture

Growing pains, growing pains, growing pains.  It's certainly a capable team, just not a very good one yet.  It was a disappointing performance against a really shitty football team.  If they approach B1G play this way, even though the conference is the worst it has ever been, they will lose 3 games.  Nebraska and Purdue will be salivating when they watch tape of our defense.

D-Day0043's picture

A couple observations.
1) stop deferring to the second half. Get the ball and get your offense in a rythm. It shouldn't take an hour to get your offense in going.
2) stop playing the corners 10 yards off of the receivers. You are conceding 5-7 yards every play. They threw right at that coverage time and time again. This team can't tackle in space so try disrupting the receivers at the line.
3) it is evident that this offense can score points when they are going uptempo. If that is going to be our style then stick with it.
4) try making some in-game adjustments. When you continue to get burned on screens and short routes do something to counter it.
5) how about we try to implement screens and short routes into our offense to counter the rush? Teams are loading the box and we do nothing to soften it up.
6) if you continue to commit dumb penalties then you have no business on the field.  

I am D-Day0043 and I approve this message.

cplunk's picture

Thank you!
Agree totally. The team has massive talent but both the coaches (with scheme) and the players (poor tackling, bad angles, dropped passes) are not living up to it. Your points are what I've screamed at the TV.
If the B1G didn't absolutely completely suck we'd be in real trouble.

Iron_Buckeye's picture

My sentiments exactly!!!

“The minute we stop expecting greatness from our football program, we become Wisconsin.” Craig Krenzel

B1G 10 Buckeye Stuck in SEC Country's picture

My thought is that had there been no turmoil (Tatgate) last season than this would have been considered a down year for the Buckeyes.  Now Urban Meyer comes into town and all of a sudden the expectations are through the roof.  Do the Buckeyes look good...No; however, it could be a whole lot worse.  12-0, 11-1, 9-3 in the end it doesn't matter.  This year is going to be a season of ups and downs with the hope that players will develop and be ready to step up next season. 

" Life is hard; it's harder if you're stupid." - John Wayne 

Johnny Ginter's picture

does anyone have luke fickell's address i just need to send him a big poster reading WHY CAN'T WE DEFEND THE PLAYACTION PASS kthxia

CowCat's picture

^This.
I don't have faith in Fickell or Withers at this point.
When it's obvious that rushing 3 on 3rd down isn't working, what do you do?  Do it again.   Aaaarrrrgghhh.
Dantonio and Heacock had a feel for when and how to gamble with the blitz.  Ths staff doesn't.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

SPreston2001's picture

Totally agree. This defensive staff just isnt passing the eye test.

Buckeyejason's picture

edit: i was kidding, please don't do this
-johnny

BUCKEYES BABY!

Buckeyejason's picture

Huh? I just made up a random address. What was the harm in my joke?

BUCKEYES BABY!

Johnny Ginter's picture

oh lol i thought that was his real one, my bad. sorry dude

Buckeyejason's picture

Haha no way, I dont know his address, let alone what town he lives in lol.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Johnny Ginter's picture

im gonna send that poster to a random house in UA anyway just to see what happens

Buckeyejason's picture

LmAOo why not!?! 

BUCKEYES BABY!

hodge's picture

I'm betting that Meyer gives Miller a lot more freedom in next week's game against MSU.  Seems like he's been willing to sacrifice some offensive capability to get Miller more acclimated making reads/etc.  It's also worth noting that Miller was victimized by multiple dropped passes.
Defense is looking bad, though.  Didn't give up any touchdowns, though.  Wondering if Big Ten teams are all going to use the three step drop passes against us. 

onetwentyeight's picture

It does seem like Meyer realized early on we could run Brax every other time and always gain positive yardage, and he's spent parts of the last few games tinkering with ways to get other people involved in the offense. Today seemed like the focus was on trying to get Jordan Hall enough real touches to get back in the flow of things. I think when push comes to shove in conference play we know we can always have Miller do his Vick thing; we're just saving him carries in games we can win AS EVERYONE HERE said we should. 
Idk when the fans are gonna realize Boren has hands of stone and maybe that's why he shouldn't be getting touches. 
 
Will be fascinating to watch Sparty's borderline incompetent QB attempt to slice up our borderline incompetent pass coverage. 
 

FROMTHE18's picture

still wondering if the team had practice this week? Can someone please confirm this? Looking at the dog-(expletive) that was 'Ohio State' football today was embarassing. This team has got worse as the season (4 games) has gone along. I would love to have our next game against Alabama or Oregon so this team would get a huge dose of humble pie and lose by the 60 points they deserve to lose by. Awful. Fickell, you sir, are a terrible coach. Win is a win, but theres a difference in deserving the win and deserving to lose. This team today deserved to lose. Ive never thought I'd feel a team could be so pathetic in a win but today was an example. Devin Smith needs to learn how to catch a pass that isnt 20 yards, our defensive line is terrible, Braxton Miller is all run (aka Denard 2.0) and there is ZERO intensity in how we hit somebody. Who thinks standing 10 yards off WRs is a good thing? Coombs? Fickell? Wethers? Who thinks playing cowardly defense deserves to be at Ohio State. Embarassing. Flat out embarassing. 2011 OSU football had an "excuse". This team does not. I understand having growing pains, but today was just absolute garbage. 

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Would have been nice to go 12-0 to give us a fairytale ending to our recent scandal, but let’s get some perspective. This team was very different last year. Anyone wish Boom was still in the backfield? We are a young team with players recruited by some other head coach--who incidentally just altered the paradigm of the Program in virtually every area; save tradition (which he didn’t alter, but he did manage to add to with Quick Cals).There is talent on this team that needs time for cultivation—imagine Braxton after a full season in Meyer’s system. This could be a very special team. And give the coaches some time to gel. Relax.  We are seeing the beginning of something—not the culmination of it. Let’s be patient and give this team some time to grow. Let’s not be that kind of fan base.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

Crimson's picture

I almost want to yell and scream at you that you're wrong, but judging from the comments around here, someone would think I'm serious.
+1 to you sir.
Side note: I believe The Swarm is gone, but there isn't an overhall to tradition, I agree.

Baroclinicity's picture

I think that's a female.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

...you caught me.
:)

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

Buckeyejason's picture

+1 to you madam.

Fixed.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Crimson's picture

My apologies.  I don't actually look at screen names, and I assume it's all/mostly men.  I'll try to correct that in the future.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

No apology necessary. Doesnt offend me in the slightest.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

Baroclinicity's picture

And I wasn't trying to be *that* guy.  We just have so few female posters here...

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

poop's picture

Anyone wish Boom was still in the backfield?

Not really.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I see a lot of promise with Carlos Hyde. I like Jordan Hall and I was glad to see Rod Smith get some touches today and make something good happen. But how can you diagree that for this team at this very moment, Boom would not have a significant positive impact on our offensive performance?

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

poop's picture

Boom played with a lot of heart but he was too much of a tweener IMO. Not a bruiser at 210-215 lbs and not very fast. He was consistent but I was never extemely impressed. I like our running backs more now.

Buckeyejason's picture

LOL @ liking the RB's more here now then Boom. Boom basically is head and shoulders above all these backs. That's why he came back from suspension playimg right away and all those cats warmed the bench.

BUCKEYES BABY!

poop's picture

Boom? Is that you?

Buckeyejason's picture

Poop? Is that really your name? 
Having "heart" doesn't make you a good running back. That is a position based on speed/quickness, power, vision, toughness, and skill.

BUCKEYES BABY!

poop's picture

He was tough and he had good vision but he didn't have a lot of speed/quickness for his size. No need to get defensive about it brah. I didn't say he sucks, just that I think we can do better. 

Buckeyejason's picture

He's better than what we have now, that was proven last season.

BUCKEYES BABY!

poop's picture

Nothing was proven last season besides (1) Tress was an excellent micromanager, (2)Tress had some terrible assistants and (3) Luke Fickel is not ready to be a head coach. That was a coaching staff that started Joe Bauserman btw.

Tommy's picture

Of all the former rb's to wish for, Boom would not be it for me.

Adambob's picture

Damn I'd like to see some peoples comments from 10 years ago where almost every game was close....

cplunk's picture

This is going to send people into convulsions, but I'm actually not worried about the offense. They're inconsistent, but on the drives where they have it together thay are really, really good. They'll be fine. This year is for learning anyone, because IT DOESN'T COUNT.
The defense, weeelllll. I hate the loose pass protection. I think Howard, Roby, Grant and Johnson have played well. The safeties are shaky.
Goebel has been a rock. Hankins has gotten better every game.
The issue to me on D is really three things:
1) A loose pass protection scheme that prevents the big play but just makes us look completely inept when teams dink and dunk down the field
2) Horrific tackling, getting off blocks, and angles
3) Poor linebacker and safety play, both in terms of reads and in terms of the aforementioned angles.
The B1G is bad, folks. Truly, bad. This team can go undefeated. It may not, it might. But it CAN, because there isn't anything approaching a complete team in our conference.

Terwilligins's picture

Agree on the O. Would rather see 4 stellar quarters but 1.5 to 2 (especially in the infancy of the Urban/Herman era when it's still not second nature) will get the job done if our defense does its job. Our red zone play has been awesome. Liked our running game today, but hard to judge against inferior team. OSU should hire five students to follow Devin Smith around for the rest of the semester throwing footballs at him.

SPreston2001's picture

So just because we cant go to a bowl game the season doesnt count?? Thats bs! The wins and losses still go in the record books so it does count. If the season doesnt count the why not just play all underclassmen and say screw the seniors because they wont be here next year anyway?! This year very much does count and those players are taking it very seriously. We just have tons of holes on this team and its showing. Find me one person on the team or coaching staff who thinks this season doesnt count....
 

Buckeyejason's picture

orried about the offense. They're inconsistent, but on the drives where they have it together thay are really, really good.

We have yet to face a defense with a pulse..let alone a top 20 unit. Our offense is "see Braxton go" with a few inside runs and passes sprinkled in.

BUCKEYES BABY!

onetwentyeight's picture

IDK if you've watched the B1G lately but "see Braxton go" is more than enough offensively to win most B1G games. 
Even if you concede that we had 2 awful offensive quarters and 2 good ones today, that's still WAY better than last season when we would have uh ENTIRE GAMES of 1920s-style football "what is ze forward "pass"?!" type Walrusball crap. I'm sorry, but at least we have shown MARKED IMPROVEMENT on that side of the ball. It's not perfect but improvement is all you can ask for. 
 
Defensively, ... I'm out of excuses. I tried to rationalize away the past few bad defensive games: Miami had a good senior QB, Cal has some weapons, but today was just ... inexcusable. UAB rolling up 400 yards on the "silver bullets"? 
Fire Fickell.

Buckeyejason's picture

Fickell won't be fired during the season. Just have to hope for improvements.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Buckeyejason's picture

Fickell won't be fired during the season. Just have to hope for improvements.

BUCKEYES BABY!

buckeyedude's picture

You can say that again.

 

 

NC_Buckeye's picture

According to Ross's defensive breakdown, the problem with the defense is linebackers and safeties. Sabino, Grant/Klein, Shazier, Bryant, and Brantley. They're not tackling correctly. They're out of position. They're not using correct angles to pursue. In fact, many of these guys had the same problems last year.
What we have is a personnel problem. We have a critical mass of under-performing players. And especially at LB, we're just not used to seeing this at Ohio State. You can blame Fickell if you want but it's very hard to scheme around that many deficiencies.
And guess what. Fire him now or at the end of the season and I'll bet you $100 that nothing changes next year.
What we need is for a couple younger guys to step up and replace a couple of these guys. That would give the cushion needed to scheme around the other problem guys.
BTW, every team we play from now until we fix it is just going to follow some derivation of UCF & Cal's offensive play-calling. Seems a certainty for success against our inebackers and safeties.

Crimson's picture

Brantley was a QB at Urban's last school.  I think you mean Barnett

Concord's picture

This team is playing with fire.
The Defense better get their shit together fast.
If Miller ever developes his passing game...Damn.
Storm Klein starting over Curtis Grant...what a dissapointment.
 

Buckeyejason's picture

What's the deal with Grant? Doesn't even seem like they give him much of a chance. I knew Fickell would rather have an experienced, better tackling Storm Klein in there over Grant..didnt think it would be so soon though.

BUCKEYES BABY!

CC's picture

Grant has had lots of chances with two coaching staffs and he still isn't starting. He made 3 consecutive awful plates against cal and hasn't seen the field since. Not sure he should. I'm as disappointed as anyone, but he just hasn't performed.

More concerned about tackling. I alove Nate Williams but he missed a bunch of tackles again!

Buckeyejason's picture

I was just trying to be nice..I've said before in the past that  I think he was an overrated recruit. Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane.

BUCKEYES BABY!

RedStorm45's picture

102 passing yards through 53+ minutes.  
900+ yards given up in 2 weeks.
Braxton Miller is the ONLY reason we're not 2-2 or worse.

cplunk's picture

Anybody convinced we can"t beat Michigan State should maybe turn on the Eastern Michigan-Michigan State game.
The MAC team is beating them approaching halftime. They've held them to a field goal.
Like I keep saying, for all our problems, we can go undefeated in the B1G because the B1G is bad. MAC bad. Sun Belt bad. CUSA bad. Maybe Ivy League bad. UL-Monroe would win the B1G. It's that bad, people. It is worse than the Big East.
 

onetwentyeight's picture

The ULM dig stings pretty badly. Mostly because it's probably true. 

buckeyedude's picture

I hate to admit it, but I have to agree CPLUNK, that the B1G is bad, and not in a good way.

 

 

toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

Is the Buckeyes' offense going to play 60 minutes instead of 6? It's very consistently inconsistent. Another first quarter wasted. Third quarter, too. Defense is still giving up too many long third downs but at least they made enough big plays today to prevent UAB from giving them and us fans an embarrassing loss. Next week, Sparty, up there. Right now they're losing to Leastern Michigan, 7-3, in the second quarter. Looks like two unimpressive offenses will be going after one another next week.

Buckeyejason's picture

What a crap year in college football in general, no? That's what I feel like.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Crimson's picture

Average points each quarter for the Buckeyes this season:
Q1: 5,   Q2: 14.75,   Q3: 7,   Q4, 11
I was wondering if what I've been seeing is true, so I did this.  It looks like we're slow to start and slow coming in off the half, so opponents are cooking up new schemes for us before the game and at half time.  However, after that, we seem to make some adjustments and play better in the even quarters.  Stats agree with that.

andretolstoy's picture

Of course - the DBs are playing in that scheme because Fick and everyone else do not understand the game of football (but you all do) and not because our DBs will be blown out if they play man on.

Crimson's picture

I don't think it's about out CBs getting beat one on one.  I think it's about being able to see the play and provide help on runs and screens.  The only way it's about getting beat is if we need to have 3-4 CBs on the field at a time.  Then again, why they need to give a 10 yard cushion instead of 3-5 doesn't make sense to me.

andretolstoy's picture

Either way being blow out or making up for hurt LBs/Ends- it's not a lack of Coaching knowledge or something "they just don't get and we need to point out for them."
 
 

cajunbuckeye's picture

4-0 and I think I'll have another beer. Then I'll come back in an hour and see if everyone's still cryin' and bitchin'. I'll get worried when MSU goes up by 21. Til then, I'll bask in the warm, fuzzy sensation of winning + alcohol. We won, but we looked bad... boo hoo. Fire everybody because we should be great, boo hoo.

An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches

Tonga Buckeye's picture

I feeling frustrated. 

"go not where the path may lead, rather go where there is no path and leave a trail"

Brutus's picture

Can someone explain to me why the poor defensive play is Fickell's fault and why he needs to be fired? I'm not saying he's not the problem, but all the Fickell talk just screams of a knee jerk reaction because we're giving up a lot of yards (not a lot of pts though).  It seems to me that most of the yards have come on broken/missed tackles.  I don't see that as a coaching problem though.  At this level, these guys shouldn't need to be told how to wrap or what angles to take. If they haven't learned this already, they wouldn't be playing at this level.  The players seem to consistently be in a position to make a play in the back field or short of the first down marker. To me, it looks like the right defensive schemes are being called and the players are put in a position to succeed, they just aren't executing. 
 
Serious question. Not trying to be argumentative. I think Fickell is as responsible for the poor play as Meyer, which is to say not much at all. I should probably read more of the analytical articles on the site during the week because my football IQ is fairly limited.

William's picture

I'd say you're spot on Brutus.

Crimson's picture

Read Ross's breakdowns.  They're one of the best things on this site during the season (offense on Tuesday, defense on Thursday).
People are screaming fire Fickell, because they need someone to channel their rage at.  If it was all him, we would play the same defensive schemes we did last year, and things would be a little bit better, because at least they would/should know their responsibilities.
If there's anything noticable about the defense that has to due with coaches, I would say it's on Vrabel or Fickell for how much they rotate the defensive line.  It seems like Meyer (rotate!) and Vrabel (rotating is for sissies!) have a difference in opinion on this.  Everything else, meh.  It's just too much new coaching, new scheme, players need more experience, or need better players.  You can't really blame that on anything, except maybe Tressel for leaving.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Exactly. Per Ross... the defense's problems are with our linebackers and safeties. Sabino, Grant/Klein, Shazier, Bryant, and Barnett. They're not tackling correctly. They're out of position. They're not using correct angles to pursue.
I'm sure these guys are being shown in film review the results of their bad choices. And didn't Kyle say that the defense spent an entire practice going over fundamentals (when they normally would have been preparing for todays game).
Every football team has someone who is under-performing but because he's the best you got finds himself to be a starter. We just happen to have 5 of them. Which like I said above is a critical-mass type of situation for our defense. Eventually we're going to get killed by it.
<sarcasm>If you want to blame Fickell though, I guess you could say he should have been a better recruiter the last four years. </sarcasm>

Ahh Saturday's picture

1) Very disappointing performance against one of the frostiest cup cakes in Division 1
2) Offense is better than last year, and will continue to improve through the season.
3) Defense is borderline embarrassing.  Still, it means something that without Roby or Barnett they didn't give up a TD.
4) MSU is trailing EMU going into the 4th quarter 7-6.  It could be worse!

Ohiothomas1's picture

Guys just remember this -- this is still the same team that put up 56 on Miami (OH). If I'm correct, Miami (OH) is a better team than UAB, and their QB was supposedly the best one we will play this season. With that said, I would say that maybe today was an off day, but we did have the potential to easily put up 70 on this team, and give up less than 10. I don't know why we didn't, but at least we know what we have the potential of doing. Now if we had barely squeaked out of the Miami (OH) game too, then I'd seriously be nervous about this team.

D-Day0043's picture

Miami barely beat UMass and they are horrific. Just saying....

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Crimson's picture

To be fair, the defense did give up less than 10.

D-Day0043's picture

If you have freshman on the depth chart, you can't be afraid to use them. We are still giving up massive chunks of yardage by keeping our upper class men in and wearing them out.  Let them get some reps. We can't only play them when we have a comfortable lead. Keeping the starters fresh will pay dividends. 
Say what you want about the players. Your job as a coach is to maximize the talent of your players and hide their weakness by putting them in the right position. We have seen nothing exotic scheme wise out of our defense that makes the opposing offense question what we are doing. Everything we have shown on both sides of the ball has been very basic. 
With that being said, hopefully we just haven't shown anything and we will break out a whole litany of things we have not seen through the first four games. But something tells me we are hanging on for dear life.

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O-H-I-Owe-U's picture

There's so much emphasis on getting athletes on defense. I think it can actually be detrimental. My theory is those freak 4* and 5* guys a can get away without understanding the game in high school because they're just so physically dominant, they never learn to take correct angles and fight through blocks because they're so damn fast. That may be what's happening with Sabino and Grant.
 
 

Buckeyejason's picture

Give Burger a chance, hell!!

BUCKEYES BABY!

Buckeyejason's picture

A matter of fact I bet Burger gives us more production than Klein and Grant.

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buckeyemondo's picture

all i know is good thing social media wasn't what it is now in 2002.
the last time we were barely beating teams we were supposed to handle easily, we won it all.
these guys aren't close to that year's team, but with the way the b10 looks these days, going undefeated may very well be in reach.
4-0.  moving on to sparty.

vtbuckeye's picture

It started last year.  I did not mind watching an underperforming Ohio State offense.  I am tired of watching an awful defense.  Growing up in Vermont there was never a big emphasis placed on football.  My first year attending tOSU was 2002.  I got used to watching good to great defenses.  This year and last year have simply been painful to watch.
 

SPreston2001's picture

Ok so whos gonna be the one to make excuses for us and say UAB is actually a pretty good team?? We have had these same issues all year and they dont seem to be getting any better. Im sorry guys but we have some serious issues on this team as well as the coaching staff. We should have smashed UAB by 30pts! Im really starting to get concerned about this years team....
 

ekeith21's picture

Fire Fickell. Deep down Urban didn't want to retain him but felt the pressure to keep him on the staff. I wouldn't be surprise if Fickell is shown the door after Michigan game. He just doesn't have it. Oh and take his felon buddy Vrabell who sits on the sidelines and chews tobacco all game.

Tommy's picture

This is not an intelligent comment.

Boom777's picture

We are playing poor football on all phases!

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