Friday Skull Session

By Johnny Ginter on April 27, 2012 at 6:00a
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Happy Friday everyone, and welcome to your morning Skull Session!

Congrats, Bengals fans! You followed up a thoroughly incredible 2011 draft with a decent first round in 2012 that did not result in any major embarrassments, like, say, the drafting of a 28 year old quarterback in a move seemingly designed to create an organization-crippling QB controversy while at the same time infuriating whatever fans might still remain after year after year of blown expectations borne from a misbegotten feeling of self importance.

Seriously, Browns fans. The Bengal train hasn't yet left the station. There's still time to get on board.

A couple of caveats, though. Unlike you, we Bengals fans have learned to embrace awfulness; this is actually kind of nice in that when the team somehow isn't terrible we feel like how a white collar criminal must feel after stealing 20 million dollars (kind of a "holy cow, how did people not notice us doing this right under their noses? sssssuuucccckkkeeerrrsss"), but it does come at the expense of a bit of your soul at the completion of each 4-12 season. You can however replenish said soul through schadenfreude.

Also keep in mind that as a fan of the Bengals, there is a chance you may find yourself within 150 yards of members of the team. This is generally not advisable, as many of them are armed and dangerous, and will strike again. Still, it does add to the forbidden fruit aspect of the team, and really, what's sexier than the world's palest Texan leading a ragtag posse of misfits and ne'er-do-wells against teams led by a big hairy lecherous creep and whoever is currently being possessed by the ghost of Tim Couch? Nothing, that's what.

RIDING HIGH, FEELING LOW Many players were drafted last night; Mike Adams, Ohio State offensive lineman, was not one of them. It had been said that his stock had been falling due to his positive test for weed during the NFL Combine, and this confirms it. Personally I don't expect the guy to fall any lower than the second round; stupid decision or not, he wasn't projected as a potential top 10 pick at one point for nothing. It will, however, be interesting to see which team takes a shot at him since he's about as high risk, high reward of a player as you'll find in the draft.

With that said, considering Alex Boone is now a consistent starter in the league, who knows what could happen with the dude. All I know is that I'm pretty angry that I agree with Colin Cowherd on something; it's not that what he did was so horrible (although personally I'm pretty anti-drug), it's more that he knew he was going to be tested for it and still went ahead and put literally millions of dollars at stake. Pretty dumb. Anyway, that's depressing, so instead you should watch this .gif of Whitney Mercilus' draft fiesta!

OH HEY THE BCS IS OFFICIALLY DEAD Just thought you would want to know! It's pretty cool, basically we're looking at a 4 team playoff in 2014. The details, of course, haven't been hashed out yet, but as Andy Staples points out, one big thing is that the idea of Automatic Qualifiers is dead:

...That is terrible news for the Big East, which used its AQ status to lure several new programs after Pittsburgh, Syracuse and West Virginia announced their intentions to leave the conference.

Yeah, it is, but frankly the bigger issue, as pointed out at SBN, is where those four teams are going to come from. Some have advocated the idea of conference champions, which is a terrible and exclusionary idea. Honestly, I have no problem with letting two SEC teams into the four team round playoff as long as a team like Boise or TCU would get at least a semi-legit shot at the title. Because the way things are now, literally the only way for a non-AQ conference team to get to the championship is for them to be undefeated, every other team in the country to lose a game (ideally two), AND for most conference favorites to lose their conference championship game. My own ideal situation would be an 8-team playoff, but if teams are going to be excluded, I'd rather exclude 6 deserving teams than 8.

Gonna tattoo this on my forehead

PSU PR WTF I guess it's not THAT big of a surprise, but Penn State will have spent about 10 million dollars on public relations, starting from the beginning of the Jerry Sandusky scandal through the end of this year. That's 10 million dollars that could have gone to any number of school-related projects, or keeping tuition down, or giving to charity, or medical research, or any number of things not related to making sure people don't immediately associate the name "Penn State" with "pedophile coverup."

And yes, I know that the money comes from different places and is earmarked for certain things and blah blah blah. The point is that PSU wouldn't even have this problem if they had been proactive from the very start, instead of trying to bury their problems with a fresh coat of paint every couple of years. I just hope Ohio State has learned from watching.

YEAH I HATE NORTHWESTERN TOO WAIT WHAT I know two things in this world: warm milk + peanut butter sandwich = instant bedtime, and that Jim Tressel hated, hated Northwestern with every fibre of his being. After a lone, shocking loss to the Wildcats in the early Aughts, his average margin of victory against the Purples was in the low to mid 40's, and I imagine had Tressel not been preoccupied with stuffing potatoes into every tailpipe belonging to a car from Illinois in the parking lot it would've been a lot worse.

Well, now JT Money has a second member of his No Nerds club, and that's new Illinois coach Tim Beckman:

When Beckman was announced as Illinois' head coach back in December, he referred to Northwestern as "the team up north" and said, "you'll never see me wearing purple." In fact, Beckman might even go as far as having his team burn all of its purple attire.

THAT'S A LITTLE CHILDISH, DON'T YOU THINK TIM???

DOGS, SPORTS STUFF, DOGS, DOGS, THE HOBBIT Okra is Delta State's mascot. For a plant it is pretty ill tempered... Dog in a towel... The first appearance of the greatest basketball team ever assembled... Uh actually I think it's more important to think about the 5 votes Craig James won't (allegedly) get... BILL BILL BILL BILL... Spy dog... If six iguanas can't turn that frown upside down... The Hobbit at 48fps looks like butt

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GoBucks713's picture

Personally, I think Craig James would win the election if he just came out and admitted that he KILLED 5 HOOKERS WHILE AT SMU. If I lived in his constituency he would get my vote, just to get him off the 4 letter for good.

-The Aristocrats!

baddogmaine's picture

I thought Beckman was a good hire, but if he doesn't see the difference between a rivalry based on competitive equality and rivalry based on nothing more than geography he is going to have a hard time raising level of play. Good luck, Illinois!

buno67's picture

Just stick to Ohio State football lol I love Weeden for the Browns!!! There wont be a QB controversy because Weeden shouldnt have a problem beating out McCoy. Weeden is just an all around better QB then McCoy. McCoy always had a questionable NFL arm. Weeden has the ability to make every throw and the only draw back is his age. So what if the Browns get 5-7years out of him. They have never gotten 5-7years out of any QB since Bernie. Also, The Bengals drafted a guard in the first rd, thats a freaking joke. You dont draft guards in the first rd

SPreston2001's picture

I dont think Weeden is that much better than Colt if at all... And im not a Bengals fan but drafting a guard in the first round isnt a bad idea if hes worth the pick. Pittsburgh took a guard too. Besides it was a low 1st round pick.

William's picture

He's quite a bit better than McCoy was coming out of college. His age won't be a problem, if anything it could be his mobility.

buno67's picture

quite a bit better...try awhole lot better. Weeden has a cannon of an arm. I Weeden was younger he would of be a top10 QB but his age caused him to fall. Weeden is first rd QB where Colt was a 3rd pick. That shows you who is better!

GoBucks713's picture

Ryan Leaf was a first round pick.

-The Aristocrats!

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

Unless it's a team need.  That kid has some kind of record of starting for so many years and not giving up a sack.  Yet they say his strength is run blocking.  Has the makings of a very solid pick. 

Denny's picture

Towel dog will make a fine Senator one day. Dream big, little guy. The world is your biscuit.

Taquitos.

mr.green's picture

Nothing wrong with just conference champions, but conferences need to be able to determine their champions in some way other than split divisions. LSU-Bama should have been the SEC championship. Throw the winner of that in with Wisconsin, Ok State and Stanford and you get interest from across the country.  I think that's what you want. Leave Wisconsin out and sub in another SEC team and you lose a lot of interest.

In the end, every president from an SEC school is going to say 2 or more from the same conference is fine. It benefits them. Every president from every other school is going to say "just champions"  because the odds are that this will benefit their conferences.

cplunk's picture

Also keep in mind that as a fan of the Bengals, there is a chance you may find yourself within 150 yards of members of the team. This is generally not advisable, as many of them are armed and dangerous, and will strike again.

 

This is hilarious. And oh so true. It wasn't always that way! promise. When I was growing up my family often ran into Cris Collinsworth and sometimes Ken Anderson at Mr. Gatti's on Beechmont Ave. They couldn't have been nicer guys.

btalbert25's picture

I think these days every NFL team has some sort of criminal.  It's amazing how bad of human beings some of teams have.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

It appears that I was wrong about Delany: he's getting rolled in the championship format discussions. One possibility is that Larry Scott was only paying lip service in support of home-site semifinals. That makes sense because they'll end up forcing all the games to be played in Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, Arizona, California - not a bad deal for the P12.

So, perhaps Delany lost leverage. If he was really as Machiavellian as some claim, though, Delany then should have gone all in for an 8 or 16 team playoff, publicly saying that the SEC's plan was to screw the mid majors, etc. - and then create a coalition of Big Ten + "all you others." Just out of spite (I'm kidding, of course).

Seriously, though, it now looks like the Big Ten will have to live with the deal, then seek to renegotiate 5-10 years down the road when they've gained even greater market leverage than they have now. At that point, the P12 network will have failed and the SEC will have come back to earth.  

btalbert25's picture

Did I miss something?  I didn't think the details had been hammered out yet.  I thought home site semi-finals were still a possibility at this point. 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

No, you didn't miss anything - I'm just pessimistically reading between the lines. Once Delany/B1G and the P12 have conceded that a 4-team playoff in ANY format is a given, they've lost their only leverage. 

As you've suggested, I don't see the home-sites proposal winning a majority vote - it had to be a condition of B1G and P12 approval of ANY playoff.

It's still possible that midwest cities/sites would be considered as part of a bid process, etc.; however, there are currently no major bowls north of the Mason Dixon line and I can easily see the semifinal and final games sort of "plugging into" the existing (bowl) framework - which is obivously what Texas and the SEC want (and perhaps even sneaky Larry Scott wants that, too).

Only 5 out of 46 Super Bowls (which are bid out and selected) have been played north of the Mason Dixon line, and those were all played indoors, and yet the NFL divisonal and conference playoffs are played at home-sites: in other words, even the cold weather-friendly NFL is highly averse to selecting bids from cold weather cities. So, how might we expect northern cities to fare in a cfb bid environment?   

Don't fear, though: as I'm wrong about many things, I might be wrong about being wrong in this case, too.

btalbert25's picture

I really don't see the home sites thing happening either, although I love the idea.  I just wasn't sure if there was info that came out that I didn't see.  Since cash is king, I could totally see them going to an open bidding process for sites, where BCS bowl sites, Midwestern sites, and  even New York could bid to have a semi final and championship. 

I think, and don't have any evidence or anything to back it, that this 4 team playoff is going to bring in a ton of cash.  Significantly more than the BCS in my opinion.  The TV money is going to be huge, may as well maximize the most they possibly can by selling the right to have a semi final to the highest bidder.

MJT's picture

I don't love the Weedon pick (how much better would the Brown's offensive line have been had they drafted Riley Reiff at 22?), but I'm okay with it as long as the Browns give him the starting job right away.  He's better than McCoy, so let's just get it over with.  Trade McCoy for a fifth round pick and move on.

"Paralyze resistance with persistence."  -Woody Hayes

Grayskullsession's picture

Northwestern deserves to get beaten by 40 points everytime. Those nerds think they are better than us even though we all know that CRAIG JAMES KILLED 5 HOOKERS WHILE AT SMU.

"if irony were made of strawberries, we' d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now."

BTBuckeye's picture

Stick to OSU football - the Bengals and Reds references are misplaced and Kentucky-ish

Alhan's picture

The section on the Bengals and Browns was humorous and relevant to yesterday's news.  I enjoyed it.

"Nom nom nom" - Brady Hoke

RBuck's picture

Seriously, Browns fans. The Bengal train hasn't yet left the station. There's still time to get on board.

 NEVER

 

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Nutbuck1959's picture

Never been a Bung Holes fan either!

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

it will be a cold day in hell..and trust me i'm already in hell being a Browns fan. I like how all the talk starts after one good season though. We didn't do that after our 10 win season. Just sayin

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Poison nuts's picture

Hey hey hey - the Bengals have had like 2 10 win seasons... recently....I think.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

faux_maestro's picture

It's more than "one good season" plus there will be many more to come in the future my friend.

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Rfahncke's picture

Amen! Go browns! Go Bucks!

"Have you earned your buckeye today?"

DefendOhio's picture

LoLz at the idea of OSU fans rooting for a Cintucky team.

faux_maestro's picture

I've been a Buckeye my whole life AND a Bengals fan since 1987 (yes the year before the Super Bowl). It's possible.

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DowntheSideline12's picture

Bengals suck

Greg Jennings "I put my team on my back"

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

I've seen my Bengals play in 2 Super Bowls.  Can't seem to remember seeing the Browns in one...

 

WHO DEY!

BuckeyeMark's picture

I'm not trying to start something with Browns fans but ... I thought Colt McCoy was doing okay up there?  Last I heard he got his block knocked off and had a major concussion but wasn't he playing pretty well?  Why'd the Brownies give up on him and get Weeden?

Again, not trying to start something.  I just don't get much Browns news in Dallas but I have Orangeblooded friends who think Colt McCoy is the next Joe Montana ...

RBuck's picture

Browns fans are asking the same questions.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

They wanted wright. Weeden was their second pick at that spot. It didn't help that the 2 WRs they wanted went right before their pick. They will be picking up a target for Weeden early in the 2nd. I have my questions about weeden but he doesn't need to be groomed. He will come in and start and will have the arm to get it to our WRs. Dont' LOVE the pick...but i do like it

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Larryp713's picture

As a Browns fan, I have the same opinion. Colt McCoy really has not been given a fair shot. Arm strength aside, he has a lot of good qualities and could be a very good pro QB. I am so sick of QBs getting run out of Cleveland by the fans... Weeden will get the same treatment after his first 3 INT game.

I am ok with the pick because Colt is not proven to be the guy yet, and Weeden doubles our chances of having solid play from the QB position, as well as creates competition Seneca Wallace could never provide. But at some point, the Cleveland fan base is going to have to grow up and be patient with some of these young guys.

I howled the loudest when Coach Belichek sat Bernie Kosar... Bernie seemed to be the last Brown's QB to be given a fair shake by the fans. After running Belichek out of town, the fans have found fault with every QB, and blamed them for every misfortune. You would have to have some steel nerves to play QB for the Browns. I wish Colt and Brandon nothing but the best, and hope the fans give them a chance.

Respectfully,

Larryp713

RBuck's picture

Belichek not only sat Kosar he intentionally tried to hurt him...having Bernie run a naked bootleg with a broken ankle. I've hated that asshat since.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

sandytowne's picture

There will be no quarterback controversy in the Cleve; 28-year-old Weeden was not drafted to sit behind McCoy; he will be the starter from day one.

I don't really have a problem with the pick; if he can play the Browns found a quarterback for the next five to seven years.  Which would equate to more stability at that position since the days of Bernie Kosar.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I don't closely follow the NFL in general or the Browns in particular, but as a numbers guy, I'd normall hesitate to take a 29 year old player in the 1R just on the basis of probabilities.

On the other hand, if it's pretty much a given that Weeden is already an NFL-caliber QB who can "start from day one," that totally changes the calculations. Considering that Colt McCoy has a relatively weak arm for the NFL - which has its own laws of diminishing returns - then Weeden might have been a great choice for the Browns.

lamplighter's picture

Scout.com classified Weedeater as immobile, said that he will take shots (what Browns QB hasn't) and that he is the perfect #2  Makes sense that we use the 22 pick on the 54th rated player

And Brian Sipe didn't have the greatest arm either

BTW, hate both picks

ARMYBUCK's picture

I couldnt help but click on the dream team link.  Im not even a professional basketball fan anymore but I had to watch it in its entirety.  That was basketball at its best, minus about 50,000 tattoos!

pcon258's picture

I'll agree with you that I despise agreeing with colin cowherd on anything, but I think he does bring up a good point in that, mike adams is an idiot. 

btalbert25's picture

It's really not hard to agree with a lot of what he says.  He always states really obvious stuff.  The patriots are good, Alabama is good, etc.  Good Call there Colin. 

William's picture

The only reason people don't like the Weeden pick is because he is 28, which is just stupid. The guy has a howitzer for an arm and is one of the most accurate QBs in the draft. He outperformed Luck, RG3, Tannehill, and Foles who are/were in this draft as well as Jones who is considered a top QB pick next year. Age isn't a big deal for QBs, they can barely get touched anymore and look at guys who are still playing well older or did such as Staubach, Warner, Manning, Testaverde, Favre, etc. The only problem I have with the pick is that both Reiff and DeCastro were still available when they probably could've gotten Weeden with the 37th. Here's to hoping they DON'T pick Stephen Hill at WR in the 2nd. Take Cordy Glenn from UGA, solidify the O-line and then start drafting wideouts after that. 

immort9888's picture

Not true.  The reason I don't like Weeden is because he wasn't the best player available.  It wasn't even close (DeCastro or Reiff = better players) AND the Browns continue to have bigger needs.  Further, what happens if Matt Barkley is available for the Browns next season?  Start all over again and use another 1st Round Pick or multiple 1st Round Picks?

SilverBullet33's picture

I hate the pick only because he would have been available at 37. No team between 22-37 is in the market for a QB. Reiff should have been the pick as whoever is under center needs protected especially a geriatric rookie. Ha ha. If 37 isn't a WR or OL that Bengals bandwagon might look more enticing.

DMcDougal24's picture

I have a sinking feeling that the Browns will not pick a WR at 37 today.. They have a new QB who they feel is immediately better than Colt McCoy and can make all the throws. With Little, Cribbs, Massaquoi, and Jordan Norwood all at WR I wouldn't be surprised if they stand pat and see what Weeden does with these guys. I have a feeling that they will take Cordy Glenn, Janoris Jenkins, or a edge rusher. 

Personally I'm hoping for Reuben Randle or Stephen Hill, but I just have a feeling that they won't do it.

Poison nuts's picture

I was worried I might be the only Bengals fan on here...*braces for rotten digital tomatoes thrown by hoardes of angry 11Wers* Glad to hear I'm not alone.

Thanks so much for the link on the 48 fps Hobbit thing. I'm strongly against ever changing the frame rate from 24. It looks great as it is...not broke - don't fix.

Lastly - unfortunately I am going to have to file suit against 11W. Sorry, but I feel as though I have very thorough proof that the near constant content updates on this site have caused me great anguish. Reading the site nonstop has caused trouble with my business and strife at home with the Mrs...please understand that I have no choice in the matter - I must make you pay for the fine work that you do here.....This is obviously a joke, you guys are killing it, thanks for all your efforts & for having The Best Damn Blog In The Land!

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

hodge's picture

There's a pretty sizable inclusion of Bengal fans out here--of which I am a proud member as well.

I'm glad to also hear I'm not the only person vehemently opposed to 48 fps.  I've been saying this for a long time--some televisions actually speed up high-def footage, achieving an eerily similar effect.  I hate it; leave the 30+ fps to cable productions.  I watch movies to escape reality, not to watch the bounds completely disappear.  I love 24p, it pains me to see it ousted in the endless march of progress.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I love old movies (e.g., Dr. Strangelove!) and believe that most of what Hollywood churns out now is pure garbage. So, to me, 48 fps is just another way for Hollywood to put the cart (special effects, actor salaries, selling toys before the movie even comes out in the theatres, being overly fixated on the 13 - 17 year old demographics or whatnot, etc.) before the horse (a competent script, good direction, good source material, etc.).

But 48 fps might never catch on cinematically: the great majority of new technologies/products fail in the market and thus don't really become "innovations" and/or contribute to the march of (technological) progress. Just because filmgoers are used to watching 24 fps doesn't mean that they'll necessarily ever (want to) get used to 48 fps, for reasons that you and the author of the above linked article suggest (maybe cinematography that is "too real" paradoxically comes across as seeming especially "fake").

In a twisted, backhanded way, a curmudgeon like me might hope that failed experiments in 48 fps would actually more nakedly expose how pathetic and ugly Hollywood has become. 

hodge's picture

Hollywood as a whole is pretty stale, Michael Bay is living proof of said fact.  But I haven't given up hope yet.  Inglorious Basterds saved the Weinstein Company, and they're about one of the only big production companies catering to true arteurs.

The thing that kills me, though, is that I've been onThe Hobbit bandwagon since it's been announced.  I've been rationalizing about the too-realistic speed and its use of the singular bane of my existence, 3D.  Still pumped to see the film, but if 48p truly looks the way it's described, I have a feeling I'm going to hate the movie.

I debate this with my father all the time: I don't want anything more than 24p.  I love it's characteristic "blur," it gives the picture a weight and otherworldlieness that I unmatched by other forms of video.  It transports me directly into the director's vision, and out of my seat.  Tech-junkies (and heavy handed directors like Cameron) can stick to their gimmicks, luddlites like me will take Seven Samurai over anything the vast majority of Hollywood can muster nowadays.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I agree, great filmmaking is an artform - at its best, it transports the viewer into the director's vision, history, other worlds, alternative realities, etc.

Cinema verite epically failed for a reason: it's tedious and it doesn't really capture reality, anyway.    

Poison nuts's picture

Hodge, Fido, we are definitely on the same page here. I'm a movie buff & my business is video production. I hope that one day soon I'm able to make the claim that I'm a film maker. I shoot in 24p regularly & love it. I think video should strive to look like film & not vise versa...

As for Hollywood, they just made a movie based on a popular board game from my youth (Battleship). Things have gone to shit.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

SPreston2001's picture

Lol honestly I know im gonna get bashed for this but BOTH the Browns and Bengals suck! Seriously! GO EAGLES!!!

 

William's picture

^ Team assembles "Dream Team" goes on to not make playoffs.

SPreston2001's picture

Yeah we had ONE halfway bad year last year, but that one year holds NOTHING on Cleveland & Cincy. Besides that "Dream Team" statement was uttered by a BACKUP QB and nobody else...

William's picture

Because it's not like anyone else on that team was hyping them up to do "big" things. 

Baroclinicity's picture

Nevermind the team is handcuffed by a ridiculously overpaid QB who notoriously gets injured year after year and is now in his 30s...

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

bukyze's picture

Craig James just needs to buckle down and work harder for his constituents.  I'm confident he can overcome the rumors that CRAIG JAMES KILLED 5 HOOKERS AT SMU.  At least he wasn't KILLED BY WASPS like WHITNEY HOUSTON was.

Chad Peltier's picture

he's about as high risk, high reward of a player as you'll find in the draft.

I see what you did there, and I like it. 

deadbuckeyeinthelake's picture

lol mixing osu football with the bangles.

 

never like  mcoy when he was @ texas,he has had  his chance and  failed everytime.

think its  funny that the vikes duked them out of  3  choices  for number  3.

"Give me Liberty, or Give me Death!"

funky123's picture

McCoy will be traded today.

nickma71's picture

Trent Richardson is the best thing they have had in the back field since Mack and Byner together. Lewis was way past his prime. Weeden is just another spread QB. Name the all pro spread QB's. Drew Brees? Great QB, sort of spread, and the list ends there. I hope he can play and take snaps under center.

BuckeyeNation's picture

Congrats, Bengals fans! You followed up a thoroughly incredible 2011 draft with a decent first round in 2012 that did not result in any major embarrassments, like, say, the drafting of a 28 year old quarterback in a move seemingly designed to create an organization-crippling QB controversy while at the same time infuriating whatever fans might still remain after year after year of blown expectations borne from a misbegotten feeling of self importance.

Seriously, Browns fans. The Bengal train hasn't yet left the station. There's still time to get on board.

Johnny Johnny Johnny... typical Bengals fan response, lol! Don't be so fast to judge, I remember a QB by the name of Roger Stauback who wasn't drafted until he was 27. From what i hear, he turned out to have a pretty good football career. FWIW... Go Browns!!!

BrewstersMillions's picture

This is reaching critical mass here. I've heard Kurt Warner and Roger Staubach comparisons. Are Browns fans this delusional? Your team swung and missed on BOTH first round picks.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

William's picture

^Coming from a Bears fan.. Richardson will obviously have a huge impact in the run game, something that you need in the AFC North. Also he's an excellent pass blocker and is killer in the screen game. Good pick. The Weeden pick was more of a stretch but now most draft *experts* are saying he wouldn't even make it to the 37th pick and that if he were younger he would've been taken in the Top 10. Besides Staubach and Warner you also have Testaverde, Elway, Favre, Garcia, Manning, and Tarkenton. Who are/were QBs that played well into their 30s that were still good. Age is a meaningless factor when it comes to QBs, they can't even be touched anymore (Brady rule). How about we watch and see the guy play before we condemn him? Because we here are all under the employment of NFL teams as scouts, right?

BrewstersMillions's picture

What does being a Bears fan have to do with this?  Today's NFL doesn't necessitate a 'franchise' back. How's that working out for Jax and Minny?

I don't claim to be a scout. I just call them how I see them, William. Weeden has the same learning curve as younger rookies and by the time he's ready to contribute, he'll be on the other side of 30. I'm not opposed to him as an NFLer. As a first round QB? Definatley. I've seen enough of him for my tastes. I don't care if he's 22. He's bad. The whole QB class other than Luck is lack luster in my opinion. You don't take a 28 year old in the first round. Simple as that.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

William's picture

Bad? This is the guy who shredded Texas (awful offense but 11th ranked D) and Oklahoma, and outperformed Luck, Griffin, and Tannehill in their head-to-head matchups while each game he played against the better defense. He's far from bad. While there will be some growing pains, as there are with any QB, Dana Holgorsen, his former OC said that he had picked up the QB position faster than any player he had ever seen in college. This guy only started 2 years in college and put up numbers that took Griffin and Luck 3 years to put up. 

BrewstersMillions's picture

In an offense notorious for its pass happy approach. Find me a QB in the NFL right now who is worth anything that has played for Gundy. Gundy is the rich man's Mike Leach and the guys that go to the NFL from Oklahoma State have inflated, bloated numbers. Nothing about Brandon Weeden says first round QB. If you are content with mediocrity (and you are a Browns fan so I presume you are) then Weeden at 22 is the right move. Browns should have traded down for Floyd  and taken DeCastro later but I guess taking an over valued position at 3 and a senior citizen at QB will get you there too. Again, I'll make my point-I don't have a problem per se with Weeden a a QB. He isn't a first round player. Anyone who took him in the first three rounds made a mistake. Their hand wasn't forced here just because other people wanted to make a mistake on Weeden.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

William's picture

The NFL isn't notorious for its pass happy approach? Why is it that most scouts raved about him as a passer, and that he has the prototypical build, arm strength and is incredibly accurate. You've also provided no reason to discount his college performances in which he played against better defenses than his adversaries (Luck, Jones, Griffin III, and Tannehill) yet he outperformed them all. The guy can ball, let's see what he can do before we condemn him. Also the Browns do not need to draft another uber prima donna at WR (Floyd=Edwards) who also happens to have a problem with getting in a vehicle and driving while he's chugging 40s.

BrewstersMillions's picture

Nothing in the NFL resembles anything Weeden ran at OSU. Just because there are teams that pass a lot doesn't mean they do it the same way. Why are you so hung up on what he did against the other guys taken ahead of him? That doesn't change anything about him as a QB from a technical standpoint.

Do you think Brandon Weeden is a quarterback that is deserving of a first round pick? First round QB's are supposed to be franchise changers. Is he that?

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

Iwearmocs's picture

I sure hope so.  The front office apparently thinks so, and I guess as a fan I don't have a choice but to go w/ it.

William's picture

Possibly. In my mind he's more deserving of a 1st round pick than both Tannehill and Griffin III who are both vastly, vastly overrated. 

BrewstersMillions's picture

I have a hard time saying Tannehill is over rated. He shouldn't even be 'rated' in my opinion but people go gaga over athletes at QB. RGIII will be better than him, but he won't ever produce enough to warrant the ransom it took to get him. STL fleeced the Skins there.

 

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

William's picture

Agreed. The Redskins gave up more 1st round picks for Griffin than Sauron would've given up for the freaking ring.

BrewstersMillions's picture

Well I certainly disagree with your stance on Weeden but an LOTR reference is ok my book.

On to the second round.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

Iwearmocs's picture

Nothing other then his arm strength, college numbers, combine numbers, and accurate workouts.  If he was 23 he'd have been drafted ahead of tannehill and arguably RGIII.  Do I wish we drafted someone else (Reiff!) yes, b/c I don't think Aaron Rodgers could break .500 w/ the Brown's offense around him, but he's already a better quarterback then Colt McCoy.

William's picture

^This. DeCastro and Reiff were both available, but it's now come out that Weeden would've been taken by 37. Besides Martin, Glenn, Adams, Battie and other OL are still available. This years WR draft is insanely deep with Randle, Adams, Sanu, Criner, Broyles, Jeffery and others still available.

hodge's picture

Don't sleep on Northwestern's Jeremy Ebert.  Wasn't invited to the combine, but at NU's pro day, he posted a 4.35 40 along with some other solid numbers.  Projected in the sixth, he'll be a sleeper pick--not to mention Posey probably going in the 4th as well.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

Non-AQ schools having to go undefeated is a problem why? I fyou want to ensure a spot in the playoff/champ game, then you have to take care of business.  Beating teams like San Diego State, San Jose State, Nevada etc in your conference schedule shouldn't be that hard to do.

 

It's been that way in college ball forever, and I would hate to see the importance of every single game be deminished by that much.

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William's picture

Video about Trent Richardson's draft prep with a Joe Germaine sighting at the end, who put on quite a few lbs. since his playing days:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7VAxIMalaE&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Johnny Ginter's picture

joe is expecting a healthy baby girl in june

zbd's picture

Mike Adams is one lazy, arrogant, stupid weak ex-player.  He should get a degree or work for the garbage collection company.