Michigan Open Thread

By 11W Staff on February 18, 2012 at 8:30p
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NCBuck1's picture

Over/under for more than 7 players seeing the floor tonight?

Chris Lauderback's picture

Buford's going for 40 allowing Matta to empty the bench. 

Seriously, I guess I'll take the over with Scott getting a few minutes along with Thompson and Ravenel. 

NCBuck1's picture

Hope your right Chris. Our best run against the gophers came with our bench players on the floor.

RedStorm45's picture

Push? I'll take the over since I'll count on some ticky tack fouls putting us in foul trouble early.

Chris Lauderback's picture

Valentine, Kitts and Eades tonight. Valentine is easy to hate but Kitts is probably worse. 

RecruitBuck's picture

I wish Amir and Sully would get more playing time together. *sigh*

Chris Lauderback's picture

Me too. I was hard on Amir early but he did improve. With Rav being pretty meh, I wish Thad would give him a few minutes here and there. I don't see it happening tonight though with Michigan being so small and in love with shooting threes. 

RedStorm45's picture

Ravenel = foul in the first 2 minutes guaranteed.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Shocking they pick scUM. They call us 'Ohio' after all. Like that is some kind of longstanding tradition. Damn, I hate ESPiN.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

dbit's picture

"The pride of columbus, Ohio...trey burke"

Kind of a slap in the face to michigan, no?

RedStorm45's picture

That's what I thought.  Like you have to come down to Columbus to get your PG...nobody in Michigan good enough?

Tim's picture

Questionable call, good to see Novak run over though.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Yeah, he responds well to violence

RedStorm45's picture

Buford showing the awareness of a freshman...passing with 2 seconds left on the shot clock.  He's so bad.

Nappy's picture

I know this goes without saying, but I really hate Michigan

Fan of bacon since 1981

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

BS

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

RedStorm45's picture

Does anyone want to show up??

RedStorm45's picture

Buford looks like a freshman.  If he's playing 35 minutes a night, we have no chance.

JakeBuckeye's picture

You have us off to a great start in the obnoxious irrational comments race.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Why aren't we moving the ball???

thatlillefty's picture

Love Thompson (and that aley-oop woulda been sweet) but get him outa there... we need Lenzelle's defense

RedStorm45's picture

Are you watching? He was hurt before the under 16 timeout.

thatlillefty's picture

and he's back in now... yea i'm watching the game bro

RedStorm45's picture

haha ok wasn't sure.  but yeah Lenzelle was bending over before that timeout.  not sure what happened.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Really? He just took the ball away from him. WTF?

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Will Burford is the most inconsistant player in college bb. Has to be.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

RedStorm45's picture

He has the worst shooting % on the team outside of Scott, Sibert, and Ross...and those last 2 pretty much don't play at all.

rdubs's picture

I'll raise you Tyshawn Taylor.  He is much better when he is good and at least as bad when he isn't.  (admittedly he is good more often, but the range from good to bad on Tyshawn is much wider)

rdubs's picture

we are not stopping the ball in transition at all.

michaec5's picture

we're rebounding like babies

~michaec5

RedStorm45's picture

Thomas gets undercut...no foul.  cool.

rdubs's picture

and that is why sully should stay 4 years because he's going to have a short NBA career

Nappy's picture

This is terrible

Fan of bacon since 1981

RedStorm45's picture

An AMIR WILLIAMS sighting.  wow.

Chris Lauderback's picture

Very surprised Amir about to check in. Glad to see it but didn't think that'd happen tonight with Michigan relying so heavily on the three.

thatlillefty's picture

we're missing a lot of shots but so is michigan... at this point i'm more concenred about our defense

RedStorm45's picture

yeah, seriously, Michigan's missed 2 open layups already.

rdubs's picture

I think there should be more no calls in those situations.  I'd like to see a replay, but it looked like he was there after Buford was in the air.

EDIT: I stand corrected, but there wasn't much contact, I'll go back to my original statement that there should be more no-calls.

RedStorm45's picture

SCREW BUFORD!!! He had Thomas open on the break, and I mean WIDE OPEN, under the basket....charge.  He has absolutely horrible awareness.

Joe Beale's picture

OSU shooting 8/19 with 6 turnovers and 4 assists.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Buford seems to make A LOT of shots that end up being off set by fouls.

BuckeyeJim's picture

The charge calls are sick

RedStorm45's picture

I'm done with Buford.  He is horrible.  And now we're just jacking up 3's...I guess the players don't know they suck at it....

JakeBuckeye's picture

Yes, we know you're done with Buford. We put two and two together the first time you commented on this thread.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Sure thing. I mean, I get releasing you're frustration on a college kid one or two times. But repeating yourself saying the same degrading thing towards the same college kid over and over again... Its just a tad unappealing.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Maybe I'm mistaken, but didn't you call Urban Meyer's daughters slutbags?

JakeBuckeye's picture

You are thinking of BuckeyeJason, sir. Easy mistake to make since our account names are similar.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Maybe if we flopped as well as these scum it'd be wrth it.

rdubs's picture

This is an ugly game, neither team has played any offense at all.  They just stand around for 25 seconds and force something inside.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Geez. Quit shooting J's. Can't we run a pick and roll, set some screens and drive? Our offense sucks.

Tim's picture

Stop taking 3s, please.

osubucks10's picture

Buford is fricken terrible when we actually need him

thatlillefty's picture

keep the faith... these shots will start falling

O - H !

thatlillefty's picture

thanks... thought i was gonna be left hanging

yea, it's tough now, but we're missing everything and it's only a 5 pt game. This is our game to lose!

RedStorm45's picture

Do our guards not realize Sully is back on the floor?? Stop jacking up 3's when you can't hit anything, dear lord.

LABuckeye's picture

We need to send somebody out there to do the following:

1) Remove the lid off the basket.

2) Tell them to pass a few times before chucking three-pointers.

Joe Beale's picture

OSU now 8/22 from the field with 7 turnovers. But at least we're outrebounding them 18-12.

 

RedStorm45's picture

A little bit more passing than the MSU game, less isos to Sully, but a lot of outside jumpers with NOTHING falling....Michigan has no one inside, start running pick and rolls and take it to the rack.

LABuckeye's picture

The entire team has gone cold at the same time.

rdubs's picture

Imagine that we run an offense and we get a bucket.  

Joe Beale's picture

Sullinger still not hedging on ball screens. It's like an automatic open shot every time they run it. 

rdubs's picture

I think he is too slow to help out that much.  As soon as he steps up it is a free dunk because he can't recover, especially if Burke is the one with the ball.

Joe Beale's picture

If that's the case, UM will eventually realize they can run it every time down and always get a wide-open shot.  Not good.

rdubs's picture

There you go.  First play of the half...

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Hate that teams can be more physical than this team to beat them.

RedStorm45's picture

Can't believe I'm saying this...Thomas is about the only guy who's showed up.  Offensively at least - he can get away with guard Novak or whoever on defense.  This is a pathetic showing with first place on the line.

thatlillefty's picture

We are such a better team with Craft on the floor

Sully is our MVP, but Craft isn't far behind. This team just isn't the same with Scott running the point... and that's not a rip on Scott. Craft just sees the court

RedStorm45's picture

Quick notes...did Matta not play Ravenel at all? Williams over Rav??? Finally.

Shooting 38.5% as a team...Thomas at 4/7 is our best shooter %-wise. 7 TO's, NOTHING from the FT line or 3 pt range.  And only down 5.

thatlillefty's picture

Ravenal played a few mins.. came in before Amir

RedStorm45's picture

That's what I thought but it's not showing up on the ESPN boxscore.

Mush's picture

0-12 from behind the arc, no wonder they can hammer Sully underneath.

BuckNut1070's picture

Did anybody hear that ESPN announcer refer to tOSU as "The Scarlet and Boo?" Pissed me OFF!!

 
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Joe Beale's picture

Tonight it's more like Scarlet and Clang.

BuckNut1070's picture

It was on the pre-game show...right before tip-off.

 
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"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium."  ~Woody Hayes~

DJ Byrnes's picture

I'm a bad omen for Ohio State. I think they shoot about 8% in the times I've watched them this year.

And on another note, how insufferable is Michigan?

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

thatlillefty's picture

get outa here DJ! You can read the post-game summary.

Chris Lauderback's picture

Terrible half. We fell in love with lazy offense taking 9 threes and turned it over 7 times leading to 9 mich points. We're shooting a healthy 10/17 from inside the arc. Defense is sluggish. Mich shooting only 38% but missed at least 4 wide open shots / layups. 

not sure why we abandoned attacking the zone from the elbows like Thomas was doing early. 

BuckNut1070's picture

They just keep rushing their shots...and are not waiting until they have some rebounders near the bucket.

 
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"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium."  ~Woody Hayes~

RedStorm45's picture

Look at that...get it to Sully, good things happen.  coincidence?

BuckNut1070's picture

Foul x3...\m/ \m/

 
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"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium."  ~Woody Hayes~

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Tank get a triple double tonight?

BuckNut1070's picture

Really...pulled up for a jumper??

 
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"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium."  ~Woody Hayes~

rdubs's picture

That was the right play, they played good defense and he avoided the charge.  you just have to make that.  I think he presses when things don't go his way and he rushes his shot when that happens.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Seriously? Bufford? WTF?!?!

rdubs's picture

They stopped the ball in transition and we missed a short J, we don't stop ball and they get another dunk.

BuckNut1070's picture

Craft had a shot underneath!!

 
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"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium."  ~Woody Hayes~

Joe Beale's picture

Pretty sad when you have a 3 on 2 and cannot even get an open shot.

RedStorm45's picture

Buford another no-show...2-9.  At least 3 of which would be classified as "circus shots"

snoodogg22's picture

Brick

Tough times never last, tough people do

Joe Beale's picture

OSU's 2nd half offense is every bit as dreadful as their 1st half offense. So far.

BuckNut1070's picture

Does it seem the our transition defense is just a bit slow?

 
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"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium."  ~Woody Hayes~

Joe Beale's picture

Transition offense is too.

rdubs's picture

no one steps up to stop the ball so they get too far in and then give up easy shots.

BuckNut1070's picture

I would hate to wait for 3:00 remaining to make a comeback!! We should be destroying them...oh wait!! We can't...lol

 
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"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium."  ~Woody Hayes~

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Should put Tank, Thompson, Spoon, Ross and Craft in. Tell them to play like they are at the park. Not sure they could play D, but they would score.

nightmuse's picture

I love if Thad would just say...Amir, Evan, Sam, Shannon, and Jordan...get out there

 

miller2234's picture

Yup a definite roy williams move is needed.  or just get a technical and go beserk 

GO BUCKS

Joe Beale's picture

So much for getting a bucket on a nice set play out of a timeout. #fail

RedStorm45's picture

Outside of Thomas, I have no idea what everyone else is doing.  First place on the line...and awful decision making with no hustle getting back.  This team just makes you shake your head.

thatlillefty's picture

that is fucking bullshit... two calls in a row.

not a foul on Sully, not a foul on Craft

DallasTheologian's picture

I say refs you say suck

Refs......

BuckNut1070's picture

Sully didn't look too winded to me while he was talking to the ref.

 
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"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium."  ~Woody Hayes~

miller2234's picture

Did any one see the SEC logo flash up before they showed the 1st half stats at halftime?  the incompetence of this network amazes me.  can we please lead a boycott?  

GO BUCKS

RedStorm45's picture

Michigan looks like a Euro soccer team.  Never seen so much flopping in a B1G game.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Just need to keep feeding Tank the ball.

BuckNut1070's picture

27 Freakin' point!!

 
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"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium."  ~Woody Hayes~

BuckNut1070's picture

30 Freakin' points!!

 
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"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium."  ~Woody Hayes~

snoodogg22's picture

We are garbage, getting worse instead of better as the season progresses!

Tough times never last, tough people do

Illibuck's picture

I can't agree more, I've never seen a team regress so much.

rdubs's picture

I think that is in part because not many others play besides our starters.  You need the young guys to improve for the team to improve and we are not getting those guys any reps.

RedStorm45's picture

Agreed, don't see a lot of urgency with 1st place on the line.  kinda sad.

BuckNut1070's picture

Looks like DT's gonna carry the team tonight!!

 
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"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium."  ~Woody Hayes~

RedStorm45's picture

How sad is it that Thomas has 8 of our 10 2nd half points?? What the heck is everyone else doing?

BuckNut1070's picture

Failing down the stretch!! Would be nice to peak at the right time eh??

 
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"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium."  ~Woody Hayes~

BuckNut1070's picture

Getting their asses chewed off by Matta...lol

 
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"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium."  ~Woody Hayes~

evantosu30's picture

Games like this it really shows the lack of having senior leadership.. bufords demeanor just does not get it done.. Sullinger needs to stop whining to the ref

BuckNut1070's picture

Did he make it? I had my eyes shut...lol

 
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"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium."  ~Woody Hayes~

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Michigan ahead of us in fouls 9-8. So naturally, it's another "the refs are screwing us" game. I swear, if all you did was read Buckeye message boards, you'd think the last time our basketball team lost a fairly officiated game was 1995.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

DallasTheologian's picture

Yeah cause none of those charges were terrible calls

RedStorm45's picture

You do realize Bilas is saying he thought there should be a foul like every 4-5 possessions that aren't called...he's said it maybe once or twice all game when Michigan had the ball.

DallasTheologian's picture

How does that crow taste?

Buckeye Chuck's picture

??????

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

DallasTheologian's picture

The no call on the foul on Craft

BuckNut1070's picture

Yeah...but the bench gi eves effort...dumb ass!!

 
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"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium."  ~Woody Hayes~

RedStorm45's picture

Hey guys not named the Tank...Thomas is outscoring all of you nearly 30 minutes into the game.  It's ridiculous.

BuckNut1070's picture

Given the way the game's gone...we could be down 20!! SOooooo I reckon if we stay close...we have a chance!!

 
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"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium."  ~Woody Hayes~

BuckeyeJim's picture

I can't believe I am screaming at the tv

thatlillefty's picture

just keep the faith in the starting 5... they will get us out of AA with a W

 

BuckNut1070's picture

Faith is kept over here!! I'm with ya!!

 
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"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium."  ~Woody Hayes~

RedStorm45's picture

outside of D.T. the team is 9 for 29....Thomas is 6 for 10.  Go with the hot hand.

BuckNut1070's picture

Is it too much to ask for a rebound??

 
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"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium."  ~Woody Hayes~

Joe Beale's picture

When was the last time anyone saw Jared Sullinger play a whole game and not attempt a free throw? Either the refs are incompetent, or Michigan is the best defensive team of all time.

Texas Buckeye's picture

How we're down only 4 is amazing at this point to me.

It's true... We really are a bunch of nuts!
Go Bucks!

Joe Beale's picture

Haha...Sullinger draws the ch...nah it's a block. ;)

dbit's picture

exactly... I think that was thomas btw

osubucks10's picture

of course... michigan calls

rdubs's picture

Thomas gets hit and doesn't get foul calls more than anyone I have ever seen.  We fouled them on the other end, but I am pretty sure Thomas should have had an and 1 as well.

RedStorm45's picture

Novak undercut D.T. when he made the score 44-40...no call.  I'm sure Thomas just landed on his back on his own...

BuckNut1070's picture

Maybe we should challenge their perimeter shots!! Just sayin'.

 
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"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium."  ~Woody Hayes~

RedStorm45's picture

Give it to Thomas and get out of the way.  No one else is showing up.

BuckeyeNation's picture

Let's just face it guys... they just don't have any shooters! They be lucky to make the sweet 16 at this rate!

osubucks10's picture

make up call for us

BuckeyeJim's picture

Thad, tell DT to shoot more, not wb

BuckNut1070's picture

I think the team owes D.T. some beer!

 
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"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium."  ~Woody Hayes~

RedStorm45's picture

so our 89% FT shooter can't make 1? god...

DAVE's picture

What is Buford adding to the game right now? I don't understand why he is on the floor.

the419's picture

William buford sucks big time. I borderline hate him. He hasnt showed up for any tough games.

RedStorm45's picture

Thomas - 23, the rest of his sorry teammates -20.

Joe Beale's picture

I get it now.  You have to scream in order to get a foul call.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Novak is a bitch. Second dude he tried to undercut.

Orlando Buckeye's picture

Everything is a charge.

RedStorm45's picture

Bilas laughing at all the no calls.  Guess he hasn't called many big ten/ohio state games this year.

thatlillefty's picture

MAKE YOUR FREE THROWS!!!

Joe Beale's picture

Bilas: "I wonder how many times a guy has to get hit before a foul is called." Yes Jay, we've been wondering that all night.

BuckNut1070's picture

It's a miracle it's still close!!

 
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"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium."  ~Woody Hayes~

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Bilas summed up my thoughts on these refs. How can the B1G allow these guys to continue to ref games?

thatlillefty's picture

must have some dirt on Delaney

dbit's picture

I will be quite impressed if Deshaun Thomas can come away from ann arbor with a win. 

the419's picture

How about novak and buford for senior turd awards. Both are non existent as usual in big games. It could replace the senior class award.

LABuckeye's picture

I feel like we're down by 20. I have no idea how it's this close.

RedStorm45's picture

This is pathetic.  Thomas has over 1/2 the points for the team and we're 37 minutes into the game.  I guess the rest of the team didn't realize 1st place was on the line...

Joe Beale's picture

Michigan is really not a good basketball team. But tonight, Ohio State is worse.

the419's picture

Thad took shannon scott over trey burke and we have to be reminded of it for 4 more years

rdubs's picture

I love THomas, but he is awful at defense.

the419's picture

Seriously with these step backs

RedStorm45's picture

Thomas is 8/13 for 25 points.  The rest of the team is 11/33 from the floor for 49 points.  Good lord.

RedStorm45's picture

Oh hey, we have 5 team fouls and the shot clock down to 15...nice foul Buford.

the419's picture

No foul? Wow i hate big ten refs

the419's picture

Trey burke is the best guard on the floor and we gave him to michigan

RedStorm45's picture

Forget this...there could have been THREE 5 second calls in that one sequence with Burke/Craft.  These refs must be from Michigan because they couldn't count.

Joe Beale's picture

Well that takes the cake.  Craft is absolutely mutilated on his way to the hoop, and there's no call.  Wow. Wow.  That is incompetence right there.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

These refs can go to hell.

the419's picture

At least we wont have big ten refs in the tourney

Mush's picture

Valentine wants in the spotlight again

 

the419's picture

Erin andrews has contributed more to this game than buford

OSUNeedles's picture

I think I am done watching basketball until the B10 fires their refs. This is unwatchable. Thank God for Bilas calling out how stupid they are.

rdubs's picture

This is dumb.  why are any of the people with 3 or 4 fouls in and why didn't we foul.  that was the dumbest coaching job ever.

OhioKris's picture

there was no point, the refs weren't going to let us win. 

RedStorm45's picture

I don't know if I've seen a more pathetic showing since...last weekend.  It is completely frustrating watching this team.

Hoody Wayes's picture

Let's be clear: no more losin' to Michigan

osubucks10's picture

Typical Buford is all I can say.  Ready for him to score 30 vs. Illinois then suck again in a big game.

Don't understand the coaching at the end.

Can anyone explain this..down 3 with seconds left to not foul and get the ball back late with a few seconds left..Burke scores and it's over.

Ashamed and embarrassed.

 

 

 

OhioKris's picture

because we're not gonna play the Ref's game.

fuck it.

its one game that we weren't going to be a loud to win anyway.

moving on. 

we played like shit and were only down by 3 with a min left. 

not bad, but you can't beat the guys who call the game plus the team on the floor as well. 

poguemahone's picture

Well, hopefully we can make it past the second round this year. 

OSUkid23's picture

lol Michigan fans saying the refs weren't against Ohio State because we had less fouls.

RedStorm45's picture

This is the most annoying excuse/reasoning ever.  The refs are just supposed to call fouls equally?? I hate that, I mean if OSU played a d3 school with less athletic players who just hacked more...the fouls "should" be the same?

miller2234's picture

it's not the equality factor its the fact that scUM had at least 6 calls go their way that shouldn't have and all you had to do was listen to Jay Bilas call them out each time.  The 3 charges in the first half were bogus our guys moving to avoid contact and Mi**igan defenders sliding to draw "charge", Sully not allowed to move in paint due to guys falling down everytime he backs down to the basket, craft getting mugged on a drive, thomas fouled three times before a foul called, and lenzelle called for traveling after a rebound and being taken out underneath.  You have to establish a pivot foot to travel and he wasn't able to for the guy under cutting him.  It's not always about how many fouls were called or who had more fouls.. usually how many fouls go uncalled is the real story... but with that said great teams don't go 8 minutes w/o fgs and find ways to win those games on the road by a couple (see UK @ Vandy).  good team just not as great as we've had

GO BUCKS

RedStorm45's picture

Alright...so Thomas goes for 25 and 14 on 13 shots...his teammates go for 26 and 21 on 36 shots.  Thomas 3-6 on 3's...everyone else is 0 for 9. Thomas shoots 6-7 from the FT line...everyone else goes 4-8.  Pathetic showing by everyone not named Thomas.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Another game that a team that's remotely March-ready wins.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

ColdBuckeye's picture

Ted Valentine can suck it

Joe Beale's picture

Will Buford is a no-show once again in a big game, shooting 3/12 from the field today.  OSU overall shot 19/49 with 12 turnovers and only 9 assists. We know they are capable of playing better than this. Why are they so often failing to achieve it?

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Sometimes teams have it all on paper, and it just doesn't come together for whatever reason. How else do you explain how disappointing Michigan State was last year?

Somehow, some way, Matta has to find a way to get some scoring off the bench or out of his backcourt. We won't get past the first weekend of the tournament playing this way. But instead of using this time to prepare for March, we're doing more of what hasn't worked.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

RedStorm45's picture

I agree about the refs to an extent...really, 5 charges to 0 for Michigan? But, you've got to get over it.  I don't think I saw anyone jump stop in the lane coming down on a drive.  38% shooting isn't going to get it done.  You should be looking to everyone on the team not named D.T. for this pathetic showing.

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

we just got dominated. We'll get bounced in the Elite 8 if were lucky.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

Buford stunk again on the road. Sully needs another year of college. If he can't handle the lousy Wolverine no-names, he'll never be able to play in the pros.

Lincoln's picture

The refs sucked bad in that game, but lets be honest, if ANYONE plays tonight other than Tank then we win. Bufford, LenSmith, Thompson, and Craft have to atleast be capable of scoring the ball.

 

Pissed off, I think we suck right now and will be out early in the tourney, but I thought we were the shit last year and were going to win it all. What do I know?

thatlillefty's picture

Last year was THE YEAR; we were stacked with talent at all the right positions.

Honestly if Sully wasn't on this squad, expectations would be much lower right now. But is what it is, and it certainly hurts.

Fuck michigan.

DefendYoungstown's picture

Sully isn't as good as he thinks he is.

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

DallasTheologian's picture

Knew we would miss Diebler but couldn't have dreamed it would be this bad

RedStorm45's picture

Guess how many points we left at the FT line? 5.  And there's no way we win with 1/3 of our shots coming from the 3 point line.  I don't understand, we're one of the worst 3 pt shooting teams in the conference.  If it hasn't been there for 26 games, it's not going to be there in game 27.  Anyway, I think we just overrated how good this team is.  Very, very young.  Impossible to replace Diebler and Lighty (essentially, we have D.T. and Lenzelle instead of Diebs and Lighty...really, we thought we could just pick up where we left off?).  It is disappointing that we can't just manhandle guys like Novak and Douglass with our athleticisim.  Yet another year we won't be getting past the sweet 16 (I like Matta and all, but we've been out of the sweet 16 exactly one time since he's been here).

RedStorm45's picture

By the way, it's going to be almost impossible to get a 1 seed now.  Lose at MSU and an early round B1G tourney exit and we're looking at a 3 seed, if we're lucky.

TLB's picture

3 is the most we deserve.  Not a top 10 team

LadyBuck's picture

We did not want to win that game, and it showed in our lack of intensity. Ugh. It was ugly and brutal, and I kind of regret watching all 40 minutes of the game. 

TLB's picture

I am with you.  Lackluster and unispired, even after a couple other lackluster and uninspired games.  Maybe they just dont listen to coaching.

Pam's picture

I popped in "Tower Heist" as bad as it was, I don't regret giving up on the game.

RedStorm45's picture

I don't know where we go offensively.  It's pathetic.  There are no plays, no ball movement.  I've never seen a team regress so badly.  We are absolutely horrible at feeding the post.  Sully isn't passing out of double teams any more unless he's mobbed.  Where are we going to get perimeter scoring?? It takes Buford 12 shots to get 6 points.  We get ZERO scoring off the bench.  At this point, who care - throw in Ross.  He cannot possible shoot worse than what we've got right now.  Thomas gets 25 on 13 shots, everyone else combined gets 26 on 36 shots.  This is so sad right now.

Poison nuts's picture

I've been on here before defending this team and Matta. I still back them both - but it's getting very very hard. This team has struggled on the road all year...and now this. I had this gut feeling that they would be a special team this year - but I just can't see that being the case now. It just seems like they've been figured out all of the sudden and teams have the recipe to beat them. Without outside shooters & this type of play - they will be leaving the tourney early. How they handle MSU on the road will determine what their chances for this year are. Lose there and they leave before the sweet 16. Win and they have a chance to go far in the tourney. Either way - not playing well late in the year and that's a bad sign. I hope they rally and prove us wrong - but right now - not looking good.

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RedStorm45's picture

The recipe with B1G refs and Teddy V is to push and hack Sully as much as possible.  Give them credit, it's working and he's getting frustrated.  At this point, just give Ross some time.  I mean, we're getting NO scoring off the bench.  Scott, Sibert, Thompson - none of them can shoot the 3.  Ross can't be any worse.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

This team is unwatchable

 

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JasonBuck's picture

Just another disappointing buckeyes basketball team....Matta isn't that good of a coach. When things heat up he folds!

Bucks43201's picture

I don't understand Matta choosing not to foul with just a 6-7 second differential, down 3, and scUM missing foul shots consistently. There was zero room for error with that coaching philosophy. Horrible officiating...very bad coaching.

p.s. Trey Burke pushes off all day.

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

miller2234's picture

only positive thing i can think right now is that at about this same time last year UCONN went 4-7 at the end of the reg. season and well the rest is history.  thing is this team has the talent to do it.. will they? probably not but anything is possible in the tourney.  get hot,, some upsets happen and we'll see.  hopefully the B1G season has prepared us better for the tournament this time. 

GO BUCKS

Mush's picture

New unwritten rule, if Will misses his first two 3's, he must drive hard to the bucket EVERY time! The kid shoots 89% FT's.....urgh

Rooster Buckburn's picture

No surprises tonight as we see what I said after the first couple games this season and that is this team will greatly miss Deibler and Lighty.  Their replacements are talented, but young and not yet performing on that level.  Teams have figured out that if you double team and foul the thunder out of Sully - you're going to have a better chance to win.  

In the NCAA tourney I think it comes down to this - (particularly after the first round) if Buford is on we win and advance, if he's not (like tonight) we lose.  It's just where this team is at - a young and developing team devoid of strong 'take it to the rim' player (Lighty) and a consistent 3 point shooting threat (Deibler).

DefendYoungstown's picture

These guys are possibly the biggest group of underacheivers I have ever seen.

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Exactly what I was thinking as well.  They have what seems to have quite the arrogant attitude, a terrible work ethic, and seem to believe they can win by just walking out on the court and tossing up alley ball shots.  No discipline, no concentration, no effort, game plan - just go out and wing it.  Well, since they are going to sleepwalk through the rest of the season, I'll skip wasting any more of my time watching them.  Bring on football!!!

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WildMan Leather and Lace's picture

Yeah No surprises here.  Were not getting past the second round.  No guard play=No tourny run

 

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Same recipe as last week - poor shooting and absolute garbage officiating.  How that hack Ted Valentine and his cronies have jobs while millions of Americans who are qualified for good jobs are out of work is beyond me.  Between BS charges (4 out of those 5 were complete BS, 1 was marginal, and Michigan got away with at least 3) and unbelievable no calls on fouls, we got swerved out of 10-15 points easily.  I mean, what the hell can we do about it?  I have never seen officiating so blatantly bad against us in my entire life as I've seen this season, and particular these games against MSU and Michigan.  Especially late, just as it seemed we were ready to snatch momentum and get out of the Ann Armpit with a win, the refs found a garbage call to make that doomed us.  It's like Valentine's thinking "uh oh, OSU is getting too close, we can't have this...uh, no, Aaron Craft getting dumped on a layup attempt is not going to be a foul" "Oh shit, Lenzelle and one NO, CHARGE!".  I'm tired of this shit.  I don't care how fucking bad our guys shot tonight, I don't care about Buford doing his usual 20% shooting shit, I don't care about Sully missing bunnies that he could've easily made.  I don't care that Deshaun Thomas was our only reliable scoring threat.  You take how shittily we played offense tonight, everything else, and give us competent officiating, you're looking at a 4-7 point win for this team.  The officials should not be this noticeable in the outcome of a game.  The only calls we get are bad makeup calls for the original bad calls made against us!  And then all Matta and the players do is sarcastically smile at these assholes.  I want to see Matta absolutely go off on these refs.  The frustration obviously builds, and is clouding the focus of the team.  He needs to absolutely tee off on them.  Get a T.  That's fine.  That will inspire our guys.  Get it all out of your system, get your money's worth, fire up the team, and show the world who's boss. 

OSU and Michigan are both overrated as fuck.  I understand one game of poor shooting, but the second Saturday in a row in a big game, and we have a trend.  This team has not learned a damn thing from anything they've gone through.  I would hope after MSU that this team has all the motivation and learning experience it needs to power through the rest of the schedule, but obviously that's not the case.  It is February 19 and we have not progressed a damn bit from last Saturday, from the Illinois loss, and have digressed wildly from the Duke win.  I'm so tired of seeing shit like this.  I'm mostly tired of the officiating, so I may be projecting a bit on the team here.  The only hope we have is that Ted Valentine is not allowed anywhere near our games in the NCAA tournament, and these losses reduce the targets on our back come tourney time so that if we get to the point where we play a top seed, we can play the underdog role well.  But since this team obviously can't shoot for shit, I'm not sure how much it's going to matter.  The officiating really cost us tonight because the game was close and the officiating was horid.  But a really good team may have got us by double digits tonight, to the point where the points we were swerved out of by Valentine and his cronies wouldn't have mattered.  I'm done drinking the "we'll learn from this" Kool-Aid - I'll believe it when I see it.  But right now, if we make it to the Sweet 16, it will be a miracle.  I just hope if we underachieve this year, we'll get guys like Sully and Thomas back for next year, along with a good young core that is a year more experience, and we'll see what we can do.  And maybe a shakeup of B1G officiating.  What makes this so damn frustrating is that I know this team is better. 

End rant. 

Class of 2010.

stevezt4's picture

I agree! I've got things to say but why waste my time Matta refuses to make changes